Escape to the Movies: Musclepocalypse

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Geez to some people, you do know he does do non review episode in this section of his shows when normally there are no films out in time for him to review (good/ decent ones that is) on time.

An interesting topic to dicuss since I do think that Arnold, Stallone and the other muscule bond actors are no longer role models as they were in the 80's/ 90's.

does that picture at the end mean that jj Abrams is making a portal film?

If so I have two questions first up why is jj Abrams making a portal movie isn't the guy an action director at least when it comes to movies? Portal is a puzzle comedy.

And secondly why the hell are they making a portal movie don't get me wrong I love portal but as a movie.....really????
It's a game about solving puzzles while some robots talk to you how can you make a movie about that it like making a movie about Tetris I suppose there going to turn it into an action movie but that's an awful idea too.

Here are some other great new video game movies we can make a Mario war movie(the hero is a koopa troopa) a noir Kirby movie(he's trying to take down ''the penguin'') and a touhou horror movie(yukari kidnaps a group of outsiders then they all die horribly).

daibakuha:

Daaaah Whoosh:
Since I only recently saw the first Die Hard, I can completely agree with this. I don't really want to see people who're so well-built and powerful that I can't relate to them. That's why I usually don't like anime.

Depends what decade of anime you're looking at. I would say most anime don't really have this trope, and haven't since those movies were popular. Japan tends to favor the more average looking hero, rather than the muscle-bound doofus.

I would further point out that the implication here is that anime is a genre of action that has to have heroes doing heroic things which is simply not true. Anime is a medium that spans many genres. No one is going to be thinking about whether the kids in Grave of the Fireflies are believable action heroes.

Therumancer:
Arnie for example got very old, he's not built like he was in his prime anymore, and that kind of shows.

It would suit a third Conan movie though, the later ones when Conan became old and kinda tired.

Oh goody...Portal with more lensflare. THAT should be a winner! [/sarcasm]

I also was expecting the "The Big Picture" sendoff as well...until I remembered that last week he said the pickings were slim moviewise for him to review. So...this was a filler episode of sorts.

*looks at the Growl video* o.O The HELL?!? Where the hell was this arcade game when I was a kid?!?

daibakuha:

Daaaah Whoosh:
Since I only recently saw the first Die Hard, I can completely agree with this. I don't really want to see people who're so well-built and powerful that I can't relate to them. That's why I usually don't like anime.

Depends what decade of anime you're looking at. I would say most anime don't really have this trope, and haven't since those movies were popular. Japan tends to favor the more average looking hero, rather than the muscle-bound doofus.

That's the thing about Japanese culture, the muscle-bound boisterous dude is usually seen as something of a negative stereotype, usually that of an IDIOT. Japan favors humility, stoicism, and loyalty above all else, thus why the typical boisterous character is considered stupid and arrogant. Sure, there are some musclebound anime CLASSICS such as Fist of the North Star, Berserk, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (though Jojo actually starting veering away from that after awhile)

inb4 Die Hard 5 next week ?

they are making a terminator 5 and a new conan movie. good video Bob a lot of your points on the effect CGi has had i think is spot on.

J Tyran:

Therumancer:
Arnie for example got very old, he's not built like he was in his prime anymore, and that kind of shows.

It would suit a third Conan movie though, the later ones when Conan became old and kinda tired.

well anri has been said to have signed up for a new conan movie called "king conan" so his age could facter quite well into the movie

Ah .. yeah, it's been a long time hasn't it? Some can say it's been only 30 years but to me that's a long time, these movies that started it all probably go even further back. But, as nice as it is to see these iconic actors .. they need to consider what would really make a grand movie. These releases have been fine, but if I was getting old as to the point of retiring, I would want my last movie to be a huge hit.

Then again the recent releases have been selling well, so we'll just have to see what happens in the end.

wolf thing:

J Tyran:

Therumancer:
Arnie for example got very old, he's not built like he was in his prime anymore, and that kind of shows.

It would suit a third Conan movie though, the later ones when Conan became old and kinda tired.

well anri has been said to have signed up for a new conan movie called "king conan" so his age could facter quite well into the movie

Yeah it should all kinds of awesome, the last "Conan" movie with Jason Momoa had some awesome fight scenes but it just wasn't the same.

Guess we'd better get that guy who has been keeping track of how often Bob brings up The Avengers.

I think the more pressing problem with the two movies in question is marketing. I for one have never heard of either movie until now.

Also, they already made a Conan reboot in case you forgot.

Aiddon:

daibakuha:

Daaaah Whoosh:
Since I only recently saw the first Die Hard, I can completely agree with this. I don't really want to see people who're so well-built and powerful that I can't relate to them. That's why I usually don't like anime.

Depends what decade of anime you're looking at. I would say most anime don't really have this trope, and haven't since those movies were popular. Japan tends to favor the more average looking hero, rather than the muscle-bound doofus.

That's the thing about Japanese culture, the muscle-bound boisterous dude is usually seen as something of a negative stereotype, usually that of an IDIOT. Japan favors humility, stoicism, and loyalty above all else, thus why the typical boisterous character is considered stupid and arrogant. Sure, there are some musclebound anime CLASSICS such as Fist of the North Star, Berserk, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (though Jojo actually starting veering away from that after awhile)

I think Berserk is a special case. As is stuff like Dragon Ball Z. Japan also values hard work, and those characters got big because of hard and diligence.

Also those films became predictble. Watching it is more like of a chore. They do not surprise anymore. Like comics adaptation of super heroes are becoming now. Movie is an idustry of trend like many others. So died the 1980's action hero enters the new one.

PS: have you not talked about this before MovieBob, in another show, here in this site? Or was it the review of The RAID...

Great piece Bob!

My opinion can be summed up in 2 words: they're old. There's a reason 25 year old bodybuilder Arnold became a 1980s star but his 40 year old bodybuilder friends did not. Young people go to the movies more often than old people and young people don't want to see movies about action stars who are older than their dads - they want to see action stars they can relate to.

The Expendables proves there's enough old guys who want to see a nostalgic action flick that they'll go to the movies once a year but they aren't going to go to the movies all the time. The market is saturated by one film.

Tony Stark in Iron Man is a vibrant professional who is single, flipplant, and generally relateable to the 18 year old guy. Contrast that with "The Last Stand" where the punch line was literally "how do you feel sherrif?" response from Arnold "old". Is there any guess why the 18 year old male goes to see Iron Man but not The Last Stand?

I don't think the release dates for these films helped much either. The Expendables 1 and 2 premiere in August,which is when people want to see big, dumb action movies that are just fun. The 2 movies Bob was talking about came out in January and February, which is when people don't have as much time to go to the movies, unless it's something really good (or better marketed)

Nice big picture episode, now where's the movie review?

If you're too young to remember eighties popular culture as it happened, then you probably don't care about these guys in the first place.

But if you're old enough to remember eighties popular culture as it happened, then you're probably walking around with the preconceived notion that whatever these guys are making now just could not live up to the high water mark of their respective careers. So why bother?

The acting career of Bruce Willis bears a closer resemblance to that of Clint Eastwood then any of his action-hero contemporaries. They started out making genre flicks but moved on from that to establish themselves as well-rounded actors.

Here is one thing Bob forgot.
In the 80s and 90s there was still a Red scare. The US was not the only superpower in the world so you could have these action heroes fighting Communists.
Today, in the words of Yahtzee "you have got kill-droids and they have rocks, you are the Stormtroopers mascaraing the Ewoks".
So unless there are plans to make movies with these guys now being villains(like Arnold back as the bad Terminator) you can't really have a very very good and believable movie.
Another possible route is the one from Witcher 2 which just plays with the stereotype physique of the main villain and then tells you near the end that he was the true mastermind behind everything on the orders of Nilfguard.If Hollywood wants to make a Witcher movie any of these guys would be perfect for that role.

This does sound more like a Big Picture, but who cares. On Bruce Willis versus Stallone though, I don't entirely agree. See, Stallone was good in Rocky, but that's because he wrote the script, probably with character actions and emotions already in mind. He knew it inside out before the principal shooting. When he is not directly involved in writing the script, he's ok. Willis on the other hand, is a really talented actor, and while Die Hard jettisoned his career as a good action hero, movies like Unbreakable and The Sixth Sense also proved his worth as a really good actor.

I think its because both movies had REALLY SHIT trailers, they gave you no idea what the movie was about and hence gave you no reason to watch it.

I wonder how the new 'Fast and the Furious' will do... poor Vin...

Also, does James Bond fit into all this? I know 'Skyfall' only did okay in the US but in the UK it broke records.

"Grumble grumble" indeed

Ya know, the first movie I ever saw on premiere day was Cloverfield & I absolutely loved it. It then motivated me to check out more of J.J. Abrams' work... yeah, turns out he only produced Cloverfield... & it shows

Please, please next Star Wars movie, bomb hard enough that they find a new director for the supposed Portal film

(tbh, I don't really know how well Portal would translate to film. The setting & characters are awesome, but a large part of the charm came from the unique gameplay experience. There's a snowball's chance in hell that Chell would still be a silent protagonist. Here's hoping)

Zombie_Moogle:
"Grumble grumble" indeed

Ya know, the first movie I ever saw on premiere day was Cloverfield & I absolutely loved it. It then motivated me to check out more of J.J. Abrams' work... yeah, turns out he only produced Cloverfield... & it shows

Please, please next Star Wars movie, bomb hard enough that they find a new director for the supposed Portal film

(tbh, I don't really know how well Portal would translate to film. The setting & characters are awesome, but a large part of the charm came from the unique gameplay experience. There's a snowball's chance in hell that Chell would still be a silent protagonist. Here's hoping)

You might be able to do Portal as a short film, but not NOT as a feature-length one with an actual plot, characterization, and three-act structure, same with Half-Life.

...I have to be honest, when I watched this and realized it wasn't a video about an actual movie called Musclepocalypse...I was a little disappointed.

So, ETTM turned into The Big Picture again.
Not that I'm complaining, I like Bob's opinions, even if they're a bit flawed most of the time.

Yoshisummons:
If that's the whole shtick with Bruce Willis how come in the 4th one (and probably in the 5th one) he turned into someone that is unfazed about killing dozens of dudes and effectively "Jason Borne-ing" level of stunts for the movie?

Because, sadly, not every screenwriter is aware that the real charm of John McClane is that he is an ordinary cop put into extraordinary situations. He is fallible and, even when his feats are just unrealistic, they are not free. People relate to Willis when he is bloody and crawling through a floor filled with glass, not when he is cleaning a bruised eye after putting down a jet with his bare hands.

However, screenwriters are tempted to "up the volume" of the stunts for each sequel (the "more is better" philosophy) but are too afraid to mess with the image of the icon, so he became less and less vulnerable (both emotionally and physically) while facing even more ridiculous obstacles.

Also, that is the reason why Die Hard 4 is the less well received of the series.

This is a great episode. Very insightful. Could have been The Big Picture episode but it doesn't matter. I prefer The Big Picture material anyway.

Yoshisummons:
If that's the whole shtick with Bruce Willis how come in the 4th one (and probably in the 5th one) he turned into someone that is unfazed about killing dozens of dudes and effectively "Jason Borne-ing" level of stunts for the movie?

So what your satying is after being beaten multiple times, shot often than not and got hurt from many of his very close to death jumps he wouldn't get used to it all by now?
Hell by the 4 movie Rambo got used to it when in the 1st 2 it still haunted him.
It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens.

I remember an interview with Stalone where he said his type of action star died when they cast Keaton as Batman. I think he was right. I, personally love that type of action hero and I die a little inside everytime I see one of these Twilight kids and baby faces cast in some roll that should go to more masculine *hehe men.

This is sounding like an episode to skip..my patience for bob getting all up and offended has dwindled away after a couple (coughME3cough) I mean yeah its fun when his got interesting things to say- but the man has become somebody whose soapbox needs to be taken away imo

I think it's kind of funny how there is not a single expendable character in The Expendables (1 or 2).
All the main characters are part of Sly's impossibly good army of mercenaries.
All of them are muscle-dudes who use the biggest weapons you can mount on a person.
If you kill only one of them it puts into doubt the whole concept of the muscle-warrior. You also offend at least one fandom who went to the movie to see their favourite jacked-up dude of choice in the first place.
So, you can't really kill any of them. That's why Dolph got "better" at the end of part 1 and that's why the only one allowed to die in part 2 is the nice-faced, not-jacked-up sniper, who uses distance and technology (aka the smart way to fight)to kill instead of going close-in, killing with his bare hands like the rest of them.
All the grim-faced, alpha-male martial arts characters (and I include Jet Li here) survive, a fact that is made the more improbable by the fact that a 12-year-old kid can aim an AK 47 these days.
This is a film that tries to be cool by adopting a gritty, dirty look like other films of this generation (I am looking at you here, new Batman series) but fails to deliver on this promise of insinuated realism by filling it with characters that come from a totally different film era, made for mightier-than-thou action knights who cannot lose.

Yeah, a lot of comments say that this feels like an episode of the Big Picture and that Bob's soapbox is becoming increasingly larger than himself (aka the philosophical part is becoming bigger than the criticism part).
To be fair, though, I dare you to make an entertaining/funny/interesting review of any of these 3 films that is longer than 5 minutes. There is just. Nothing. There.
You can't discuss the plot because what plot?. You can't discuss the acting because do we really expect any of these Wrestler-turned-actor dudes to act? Really?
This is just mush material - you can't even pound that shit into the ground properly. And if that is all that has come out in cinemas this week then so be it.

Hating on J.J. in as many videos as possible.

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