Movie Defense Force: Freddy vs. Jason

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Freddy vs. Jason

The scourges of Elm Street and Crystal Lake meet at last. It's the slasher showdown of the century and ... some people are sad about it.

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Seriously, I just watched this movie a couple minuites ago, check my twitter feed and a link to this video pops up lol :P

Well, I can't really say whether or not this movie is better than the other Nightmare and Friday movies like you said, since this is the only Freddy or Jason movie I've ever watched. But I do really like it as a movie on it's own merits; plenty of action, memorable kills and a Kung-Fu kicking Freddy. The perfect Valentine's Day movie!

This was actually the first slasher movies I watched, and I have quite fond memories of it. I was always a bit of a scaredy-cat when I was younger so I never watched a lot of horror, but my then-girlfriend got me to watch this, and I liked it. The plot was funny and interesting and the gore was silly enough that I could stomach it. Of course, I never went in with the baggage of being a fan of either series, but maybe that's the secret.

Thank God for Jim!
Freddy vs Jason is easily one of my favorite movies of all time.
And IT IS better than any of the original installments of both franchise.
Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th series are campy and that's why we like them.
But in term of movie quality / talent... they are horrible.
Some of the funny things about Jason... is how each actor who played him argue that they really brought something to the character with body language, or how fan argues about which one was better.
All of the fans bashed FvJ because it wasn't Kane Hodder and while I agree that he did have his signature as Jason... I don't think it would have made a big difference.
His Name was Jason is a good documentary though... watch it!

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I don't like the Jason films. I don't like the Freddy films. I don't like this film. I don't like the slasher/thriller genre anyway. I can agree that the special effects are better, I suppose.

I have been defending this movie since I saw it in the theater. One, because it was a memorable time with two great friends, but it was ment to be a stupid movie. It was just made so we can see these to titans duke it out. Not to say it wouldn't have been better if Michael Myers made a surprise cameo at the end and murdered the lot of them.

Good one, and I believe I commented on it very similarly in response to MDF in an earlier installment largely because I saw this coming based on the intro sequence. :)

The only bit I'd mention (which I covered before) is that there were possible scripts for the whole Freedy Vs. Jason showdown out there for years, not to mention tons of fan fiction and garbage on the subject. I think the problem is less than it wasn't everyone's paticular "dream match", so much as it was virtually noone's. While it's not as terrible as some people make out, when you consider that there have arguably been fan fiction writers who did better at convincing people of how it should be, that's a problem. Not to mention allegedly leaked scripts going back before the movie was actually ever planned that seem like they would have resulted in a better film.

Also for every clever bit, like Freddy duplicating Jason's mother, you have to wonder why all of a sudden Jason is hydrophobic which hardly seems to have been an issue with him before despite the drowning bit... or why dosing Jason with Sedatives would have knocked him out to bring him to the dream world to begin with. Questions like that cause problems with the movie. As awesome as the scene of Freddy dominating Jason in the dream world might be, I think half the problem is that fans had a problem acknowledging that Freddy could ever bring Jason there, at least using that method.

Oh and one other quibble, when it comes to the Friday The 13th movies, the FX for them was pretty bloody good for their day which is part of the selling point. I remember seeing TV specials on "how they did that" when they were a bit newer because visually some of the things they did were awesome... it was very much an "eye candy" movie for it's day. Also it should be noted that despite the terrible actors in them, one of the other things that caused them to succeed was that they had a lot of decent talent as well, including people that weren't yet famous. Johnny Depp, John Saxon (arguably a B-movie king, sort of like the Ron Pearlman of his day), and I believe Laurence Fishbourne has a supporting role in Nightmare On Elm Street 3. This can also be applied to some extent to "Friday The 13th" but not to the same extent or to where I remember it, but consider that even the goofier installments like "Jason X" had some decent people that wound up going places. If I remember Lexa Doig and the actress that played Beka on Andromeda (the name eludes me for the moment) were apparently both in that movie, and I remember them joking that "Andromeda" felt like a "Jason X" cast reunion with the ironic twist that the roles were reversed since Lexa played the Android/Ship Avatar in Andromeda, while Beka's actress played the robot in "Jason X". Say what you want about the acting and writing, but Andromeda managed to last five years, and Lexa Doig still seems to manage to pop up for small roles throughout geekdom. The point being that I think the casts involved in the single movies had a bit more talent sprinkled through them than they are getting credit for, and I'd imagine a few people had careers springboarded. You might be looking at some really bad dialogue and cookie cutter characters, but at the same time these movies succeeded because they managed to make it fun to watch, which does taken talent. Was it a bad actor, or a good actor with a bad script, or people just intentionally hamming it up because it's just that kind of movie. Look at say "Cabin In The Woods" Chris Hemmsworth is not a great actor but he's okay, even allowing for the premise (intentional cliques due to manipulation), you watch that and you might think he totally sucks, but at the same time it's pretty obviously intentional when you think about it and see that he's nailed a few other roles (including some like Thor, which might not be deep, but was apparently heavily contested) :)

Rumors of this movie's production had been buzzing around since I was 5, so when it did eventually come out over a decade later, I loved it for probably no other reason that nostalgia & pavlovian conditioning

As an adult, I see that the originals of both series were ambitious lil indie films that wanted to make us cringe, laugh, & shit our pants at the same time. I respect that. Both became sudden smash hits, to the surprise of essentially everyone that either made or watched movies, so they cranked out a ridiculous number of embarrassing sequels (Jason fared better when it came to the occasionally decent sequel, but then again Freddy killed someone with a Nintendo Power Glove in one, so points for that). Freddy vs. Jason was exactly what I wanted, plus they actually bothered hiring a writer this time

Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.

On this note, Jason X and Alien vs. Predator get a bad wrap for everything Jim said when I find them pretty watchable. Freddy vs. Jason is the king of the shitpile but once you get down to it they all have their little good bits hidden under the mound of manure that each of these films are.

I fully agree with you Jim I never saw why people hated this film so much i ultimately delivered on its promise of the said fight and it was a very good battle overall.

I cant wait for Your Hellraiser 3 review thats another one of my favs from the series and i was unaware that people hated them especially with all the bad sequels post the giant space cube hellraiser movie.

Arqus_Zed:
Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.

The cockroach women is from Nightmare 4 not 3 yeah i know they all kinda blend together.

For the most part I agree, although i will say that the Original Nightmare on Elmstreet is still better since things don't get campy/stupid until AFTER the original. Also New Nightmare had a lot of things going for it as a 'response' movie to the canon stuff.

Also Jason X is pretty damn awesome if you look at it as a comedy =p

First of: Thank God for Jim! You set the bar high and you come through 98% of the time. I think the one(and only) time you crossed the line was with the whole "Dr. Genetalia"-bit.

I do like this movie. It's a great...err... good slasher flick. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a "great" slasher-flick though, so it's up there. It's a movie that has got "character", even if it doesn't have my favourite "kill-scene". That award goes to the "double-sleepingbag-murder" from Jason X. Love that scene, makes the movie.

But here's to the meat and potatoes of my post, the sole reason for me actually bothering to post anything to begin with. It's an issue that you have been teasing since the beginning of this show, something I cannot bear to keep inside any more, something that needs to be asked: When are you going to cover Repo: The genetic opera? It's driving me insane! I needs it reviewed, I needs it defended, I.... neeeeeds it.

Darks63:
I fully agree with you Jim I never saw why people hated this film so much i ultimately delivered on its promise of the said fight and it was a very good battle overall.

I cant wait for Your Hellraiser 3 review thats another one of my favs from the series and i was unaware that people hated them especially with all the bad sequels post the giant space cube hellraiser movie.

Arqus_Zed:
Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.

The cockroach women is from Nightmare 4 not 3 yeah i know they all kinda blend together.

Whelp, there goes my credibility. Though the third one did have the guy being led to his death like a puppet with strings made from his own flesh, right? That was still pretty memorable.

Always liked FvJ. A fun gory little romp. Now, if only Freddy Versus Jason Versus Ash had gotten off the ground... I suppose they had the comics, but that would have been glorious.

Jimothy Sterling:
Freddy vs. Jason

The scourges of Elm Street and Crystal Lake meet at last. It's the slasher showdown of the century and ... some people are sad about it.

Watch Video

I have to agree, at least with the Jason films. However I still say that Freddy 3 was the best out of all the Freddy films, just for the sheer WTFery and hilarious kill scenes (I didn't consider any of them, except for the first of both franchises scary). They were fun little campfests growing up and I still maintain that thought now.

Good video.

I enjoyed the film quite a bit. Overall I didn't really enjoy the Jason films; they tried to mix it up a little in each instalment but in the end it was just 'second verse same as the first'. For Freddy, I did enjoy the first because that had some pretty disturbing scenes in it and the last one because it was just so silly and slapstick I couldn't help but laugh at it.
Like you said, the story to this wasn't bad, considering what the previous films were about. Overall this film was much better than I anticipated!

And yet again you phrase my thoughts exactly!
As exact as can be expected without experimental brain surgery, anyway.
Or, you know, talking to me... :P

This makes 4 out of 4 in my count.
Guess we have the exact same taste.
Shine on, you crazy diamond!!!

(Yes, I love Yahtzee's monologues)

How could anyone dislike this movie?
Its hands down the best crossover film made to date.
It blends both lores excellently.

I'd like to see him do a Sunshine review. That's a movie I thought was great but everyone else seems to hate.

One I haven't seen yet. Not sure why I never got around to watching it. My friends that enjoy terrible horror flicks liked it but it always seemed there was something else I wanted to watch more. Too bad netflix doesn't have it streamable. I'll have to correct this mistake in my film viewing post haste.

Scorpid:
I'd like to see him do a Sunshine review. That's a movie I thought was great but everyone else seems to hate.

That's my favorite Danny Boyle flick. Massively under-rated.

Who didn't like this movie who liked the wo frnachises? Granted, it wasn't scary in the least, but come on, none of the films are scary past maybe the secon or third one. It was a "dream match" that they actually made a movie for before this became something we could believe was possible. Post-Avengers, this makes sense as a great way to get butts in seats. Before that, when this film actually came out? It was unthinkable.

And I also liked how the two had very diffferent styles of combat, how the "dream master" clashed with the "unstoppable force" both in their early kills and the match itself. And Jason won, which is what I wanted to have happen. I loved watching this movie, and I'd watch it again any day wth some friends, popcorn, and a free license to riff on it as much as I wanted.

I still think about that fat jerk's line, "This Everclear is kicking my ass!"

This is how old horror franchises are kept current. Not by rebooting them and transposing them to the time that they started - where it was not only possible, but entirely likely to live in areas that are utter technological deadzones, but by taking all the prior lore and mythology and inflicting it onto the current generation of hot 18-20somethings. I find movies like this to be so much better than the string of remakes we've had. It sticks nicely to the original characters and keeps them relevant in an age where everyone's more aware of their environment than ever, communication lines are far more easily accessible, and people are often more likely to fight than flee. Even the drunk partiers' first reaction was to light Jason up, not that it stopped him. Instead of a crispy critter, they got a mass-murdering machete-wielding maniac, on fire! It's still a fun horror romp without being so tongue in cheek that it stops being scary.

Jim, you wanna know why I was disappointed? Ash didn't show up.

The cliffhanger ending to this movie made people want to see Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash, talks of the script were made, the script WAS made, but the movie was just never brought to light. Instead we got the comic, which admittedly was a lot of fun (the sequel not as much, didn't enjoy the artwork and Ash didn't do anything).

So yeah, I admit that's a bit of an odd reason but it felt like the Jason Goes to Hell set up Freddy Vs. Jason while Freddy Vs. Jason set up F v. J. v. Ash, yet it left us disappointed. It's somewhat of a retroactive hate for me.

The only thing I remember out of this movie was that the girl I was with while seeing it became so bored by the film she randomly offered me oral during it, which I accepted...and yeah, I don't remember anything about the movie.

"So... you're afraid of something after all...

I agree pretty much but I can't go so far as to say its better than any of the solo efforts. Nightmare 1 and 3 are simply better movies, imo. And the first Friday movie, while not necessarily "good" is notable for being one of the 2 main movies (the other being Halloween) that catapulted the slasher genre into mainstream popularity.

I haven't seen any of the Nightmare on Elm Street films, mostly because they're not on Netflix (at least in Canada) and my parents wouldn't let me watch them as a kid. I have seen the Friday the 13th films though and yeah they were terrible, entertaining, but terrible. I did like Freddy Vs. Jason. As Jim said, it did seem like a step up from the source material of either franchise, and the means in which the two entities were brought into conflict was actually quite clever as opposed to being contrived as is usually the case with big crossover events.

I think the reason this movie got so much hate can be boiled down to one word: Sequelitis. Or to expand that into an URL:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sequelitis
The longer both series got, the more ridiculous their overall stories became, and it culminated here in many fans' minds.
It would seem most of Jim's choices will be horror movies, since they're the ones with sequels that get cranked out the most. Can we get MovieBob involved in this? Pretty please?

I love the Freddy and Jason characters. An i think FvJ was excellent, the story worked, they stayed true to both source materials and best of all, made Freddy a scary psycho again instead of a clown. I was a first dissapointed that Kane Hodder wasnt Jason. But when you look at the film, it works with the new guy. Jason is tall, slow and afraid of water. Freddy is shorter, faster and afraid of fire. It also works when they fight with Freddy ducking and dodging hits and Jason being unable to.....although that guy is a tank and can a lot of damage. An just watching Robert Englund play Freddy is a joy to see, i like a killer that takes so much glee and enjoyment in what he is doing. Unlike the Elm St remake, god that sucked.

Best of all, if you read any of the other scripts for this movie, they were terrible. Pity we never got a Freddy v Jason v Ash. I read the script and it was great. I think they made it a comic book in the end.

Hmm... Well, I think I should watch this sometime...
And now is as good a time as any.

EDIT: Alright, I watched it. Was a pretty interesting comedy.
I was expecting horror though.
Oh well.

Freddy vs Jason was probably one of the funniest movies I think I've ever seen.

When I first saw Freddy VS Jason for the first time I really liked it, I guess that's because I didn't have too high expectations. My only expectation was to be entertained.

Hey Jim will you be doing any of the Wishmaster films there pretty hilarious.

Urgh, that god awful intro song....

Otherwise agreed.FvJ isn't that bad at all.

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