The Big Picture: Enough With The Batman Already!

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Enough With The Batman Already!

Maybe we could use a break from Batman.

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Bob mentioned this in one of his Junk Draw episodes, in that we drove Boba Fett and Chuck Norris into the ground, now we're doing the same with Batman... I guess that WAS enough to fill out and episode episode.

Bu-bu-but he's "THE GODDAMNED BATMAN!" - Sorry had to get that out there.
Batman doesn't really matter,like you said.

I'd like to see Hawkgirl :3

Fine, Aqua Man Rises here we go!

Fun Fact: We have hit the "Peak" with Star Wars like a long time ago, and now this is going to be so much worse...

I'm sort of used to everything being milked long after i lost interest.

So yeah, i also don't need new Batman Movies for at least 5 years. I guess there's not much to be discussed here.

I just want the Justice League movie to be more than just a remake of the Avengers with different costumes. I don't have high hopes for the new Superman movie, although I am kind of praying that it indeed doesn't suck.

1) I actually agree with Bob that maybe it is time to put Batman away for awhile and lets try making GOOD (and I emphasis that word) movies for the other characters in the DC canon.

2) I disagree that Batman has nothing to bring to the table. The truth is that in many cases, Batman is capable of doing what the others heroes can't or won't do. Make no mistake, in that little list of super humans Bob rattled off, none of them are a half-decent detective and I wouldn't trust any of them to do any kind of real infiltration. Sorry Bob, but just because you're tired of him doesn't mean he isn't one of the most important parts of the Justice League for more then just "being Batman".

Since Batman is my favourite superhero due at least in part to how he was the start of my interest in superheroes I could never hit peak Batman. That being said, I agree with MovieBob that Warner Bros needs to focus on other heroes.

I wrote an article a while back (not sure what the rues are on linking to own work but I will skip link to be safe) in which I stated that the success of Man of Steel should be more important to Warner Bros than the successs of the then unreleased Dark Knight Rises.

One of the reason's Marvel is wiping the floor with DC in terms of movies is that their movies are much more consistent in quality which is made more impressive by how much more content its movie studio puts makes than Warner Bros (only speaking about the comic book movies). Warner Bros needs to show that they can make good movies with a character other than Batman if DC wants to have any hope of standing toe to toe with Marvel, a company that has successfully made mainstream audiences aware of characters that they were previously unaware of.

Batman is pretty much the only interesting hero in DCs primary stable though! The second most interesting would be Wonder Woman, but Superman is too good at everything boring, The flash runs fast boring, Aquaman is Aquaman, boring.

If they had to give Batman a break, I would much rather watch a Wonderwoman movie.

Yes your right bob, but since the only other superhero they tried failed (Green Lantern) I suspect they view Batman as their only card at the moment that they can sell the movie to the public at the moment (Superman is at the moment an unknown and all their other superhero projects are either in development or unreleased).

The result is they have to sell it on Batman because that the only thing the accountants can see as selling.

T3hSource:
Bu-bu-but he's "THE GODDAMNED BATMAN!" - Sorry had to get that out there.

And as he said, "I've had enough of the goddamned Batman."

Both definitions of that swear apply in this case.

Here's one immediate, easy way to make Batman new again: Adam West him the fuck up. Make him an archaic, ridiculous symbol of oldschool machismo, bring back the sexy 60s-looking ladies to fawn over and/or catwoman him, give him one of his sillier opponents to fight as a B-plot with waves of implausible goons and make everything as goofy as possible. That sounds like several gallons of fun in my book. Hell, I'll just bet that Jon Hamm would jump at the chance to be Bruce Wayne for pennies on the dollar.

Unfortunately, Bob's complaints will fall on deaf ears, since WB doesn't give a shit about anything besides money, and they're not even all that good at predicting what will make money.

I'd just like a Batman Beyond movie is that too much to ask?

amiran123:
Fine, Aqua Man Rises here we go!

Take all my money now, please!

Although Batman is really the only DC hero to interest me, I agree that WB should really pull out a couple of other superhero movies, introducing new characters, before they make another Batman. Maybe even try to make them good this time.

synobal:
I'd just like a Batman Beyond movie is that too much to ask?

There is an animated movie of Batman Beyond with the Joker if I'm not mistaken.
Batman Beyond was cool, I'd like it if they gave us back Terry's Batman and applied a few more modern twists and actually used to setting's potential.

Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

Want a different take on the dark knight, in the 1990's Takara and sunrise did just that. When the child of a millionare cuple gets killed, he inherts there locomotive company and desides to fight crime. However since this is the future(and japan, not that's a bad thing) all the criminals use giant robots, so what does he do? He makes a giant robot out of a giant train....and it was awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmm8klRP6Jg

Sylocat:
Unfortunately, Bob's complaints will fall on deaf ears, since WB doesn't give a shit about anything besides money, and they're not even all that good at predicting what will make money.

Sad but true...and you could actually apply this to ALL companies since the recent trend seems to be to redo everything that is "safe" enough to make money. See: All the grey-brown shooters.

Outside of the proposed Justice League movie itself, I definitely don't want to see any more Batman for a while.

I think Batman works best in a Justice League story when his role as a detective and driver of fancy cars and planes is emphasized over his punching people in the face. The problem is that very few Batman writers seem to understand that 'detective' does not mean 'has a fancy computer machine that tells him the answers to everything', so we rarely see Batman do anything that makes him appear particularly good at detecting and figuring things out.

Loved the hero intros bit but with with alien jesus and green alien jesus don't we need a mecha jesus to round things out:)

T3hSource:

synobal:
I'd just like a Batman Beyond movie is that too much to ask?

There is an animated movie of Batman Beyond with the Joker if I'm not mistaken.
Batman Beyond was cool, I'd like it if they gave us back Terry's Batman and applied a few more modern twists and actually used to setting's potential.

I guess I should of qualified it by saying a nonanimated movie. The Batman Beyond is like the one alternative batman setting/character they could tap reasonably well and expect mass appeal too. Not like Gaslight Batman or ya know the dozens of other batmans.

Sorry Bob, the average consumer doesn't actually know or follow Batman as well as well, anyone who actually does your job for a living.

It's the same with video game reviewers that are lucky enough to get EVERY video game ever made while they are a video game reviewer. Sure it let's them see a bigger picture of all games being released but lose all connection with the average consumer because the reviewer just get to bathe themselves in a boat of gravy while the average consumer only gets a few drops. Sure the hobbyist might even KNOW about all the games or movies coming out but even then they don't get to experience all of them or have the luxury of owning all of them.

I mean fuck I want to play Xenoblades and The Last Story but I already know I'm not going to be able to find a copy of either game new simply because I was unemployed during their release and the current video game market is structured where games in a new condition in the USA is heavily suppressed. The biggest retailers when it comes to video games are currently structured where they will buy the least amount of a video game title and then rely solely on the second hand market to produce their profit. To which could make quite an interesting article of video episode.

So yeah when it comes to Batman, your average consumer or even hobbyist would still want more batman even though you don't.

This whole discussion won't matter (hopefully) after "Man of steel", where the masses will cry for more superman..

And in the end when WB give Zack Snyder the GO-ahead to just make awesome comic-book movies, we will have a "NERD-OFF" Between him and Joss Whedon :) And it will be glorious :D

They could continue Batman's character from the Arkham Assylum and Arkham City games. They don't have to make another Batman movie to introduce him, just drop some references in the JL movie. Plus, spoiler warming even though the game is old by now, the Joker dies at the end of the second game, so there's a good reason why he won't have to show up anymore.

I know I've bitched about Arkham City's combination of plot and world building making me dislike Batman and cheer for the villains. But still, it's a decent enough springboard for the movie. Just scale back the grim and grittyness a bit from Arkham City. That, or not expect me to cheer for the heroes as they keep to their boyscout-attitudes despite its utter failure up to this point.

T3hSource:
I'd like to see Hawkgirl :3

Yes! Not a fan of the old Hawkman/Hawkgirl comics, but Hawkgirl was brilliant in the Justice League animated series.

Personally, I don't think they should make a justice league movie unless they're going to really go for it. They should put the money into doing a good Green lantern movie, an actually Wonder woman movie and hell why not try doing Aquaman. I hear he's a pirate now and pirates are cool

Desert Punk:
Batman is pretty much the only interesting hero in DCs primary stable though! The second most interesting would be Wonder Woman, but Superman is too good at everything boring, The flash runs fast boring, Aquaman is Aquaman, boring.

If they had to give Batman a break, I would much rather watch a Wonderwoman movie.

Part of your argument for finding Batman to be the only interesting DC hero (outside of the Vertigo imprint?) is that Superman is 'too good at everything'?

No. Superman's powers include super strength, speed, flight, and invulnerability. Batman's power is being too good at everything. He's functionally the most overpowered and unrealistic character in DC's entire catalog, and he's ostensibly supposed to be a normal human. Maybe he's human on paper, never in plot. He's the one hero that makes every alien and demigod quake in their boots.

Batman's ridiculous power of being Batman is the whole point of Grant Morrison's recent run in Batman & Robin, which has Dick Grayson attempting to fill in for Bruce Wayne (while babysitting Bruce's psychotic assassin of a son).

I was trying to think about what villain WB could bring to the table that could be powerful enough to take on the entire Justice League... and the only thing I came up with is Darkseid, And Batman dealing with Darkseid would be like nipples on a Batsuit-unnecessary, as well as outclassed. The only way I could see that working is if Darkseid decided to infiltrate the Earth first, using Granny Goodness and Glorious Godfrey and Batman is investigating their activities and learns that they aren't human, so he has something to do while the other heroes go after more of the other characters and Darkseid himself.

Yeah, I know, it sucks. But it's an idea. Anyone got any other ideas for a villain that can take on the entire Justice League?

Captcha: It's Super Delicious. Well, we hope so...

Why even go for a Justice league movie? Just do a Superman/Batman movie. That'll make a billion

zvate:
Loved the hero intros bit but with with alien jesus and green alien jesus don't we need a mecha jesus to round things out:)

We do:

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A Wonder Woman movie would be amazing as long as they did it well. I'm not really invested in any comic book characters besides her and Batman though, so I dunno.

Desert Punk:
Batman is pretty much the only interesting hero in DCs primary stable though! The second most interesting would be Wonder Woman, but Superman is too good at everything boring, The flash runs fast boring, Aquaman is Aquaman, boring.

If they had to give Batman a break, I would much rather watch a Wonderwoman movie.

This is basically my perception, as a non-fan.

LadyRhian:
I was trying to think about what villain WB could bring to the table that could be powerful enough to take on the entire Justice League... and the only thing I came up with is Darkseid, And Batman dealing with Darkseid would be like nipples on a Batsuit-unnecessary, as well as outclassed.

Quick question: Do you know who Batman is? Due to writers compensating for putting the guy in a batsuit on a team with demigods, Batman has become the most feared and ruthless hero of DC's entire roster. His power is being the goddamn Batman.

I agree with you.
But as someone who was sick to death of zombies years ago ... I can tell you no, no one will care

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