The Big Picture: Enough With The Batman Already!

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yeah, fuck that. we want catman.
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Anyone? Anyone?

Remember that Wonder Woman show.. which had one episode that was so awful that they didn't finish it, let alone air it?

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

like really awkward premature ejaculation problems?

also:
sad batman is sad
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... no one's addressing the other elephant in the room?

CAN WE GET A GOOD FREAKING WONDER WOMAN PROPERTY, PLEASE? JUST... ANYTHING. MOVIE. TV SHOW. CARTOON. FLASH ANIMATION. LITERALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SCRAPS WE'VE GOTTEN, PLEASE.

I think it was Bob who previously suggested that Bruce Wayne play the role of Nick Fury in the upcoming DC movies, paving the way for the Justice League's formation. I'm sure they're never going to do that, but it would be cool.

Wherever they end up taking Batman I just hope they don't play it safe and go the Spectacular Spiderman route. They totally could. They could make us sit through yet another retelling of his origin story, slightly tweaked so that whatever third-rate villain they haven't used yet is somehow involved in the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents. We all know they could make that movie and it would totally make millions of dollars. I just really hope they don't do it that way.

My personal recommendation would be an Arkham Asylum adaptation, with a different villain instead of the Joker.

(Also is it just me or does Bob sound like he has a bad cold in this video? Eat lots of chicken soup dude!)

I kinda have to agree with you.
Batman Arkham Asylum (the game, not Morrisons Batman in Wonderland book )got me back into American cape books.You see I had just come out of a weird Manga and Jhonen Vasquez obsession and I was looking for something new. And it just so happens that the day I beat the first Arkham game I also went to a garage sale that happened to be run by a hardcore comic book fan. I started chatting with him and we got along great, I was about ready to leave and he told me to wait. He ran into his house and got a stack of trade paperbacks (which included Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns). He gave the stack to me for free along with a card from the comic shop he shopped at. After I finished Watchmen and DKR I went hardcore on Batman books with in a month I read: Year One, The Man Who Laughs, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Haunted Knight, The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth, Hush, The Vampire Trilogy and several other Batman stories. But that thing I came to realize is that the DC Universe is full of many many many other (hell even better) more interesting Characters: the Justice League, Green Lantern (and various other Lanterns), Superman, The Titans, Captain Marvel (no I will never call him Shazam),John Constantine (yes I know back then he was in Vertigo book).

I love Batman but dammit I want, No NEED more then just the adventures of the Scowly Avenger.

PS I think James Franco would make an awesome Joker, I'm basing this on his work on the daytime soap opera General Hospital where he play Artist/Serial Killer Franco.

Yes please, I fucking hate Batman.

He might be the biggest villain in the DC universe, because he KNOWS that The Joker etc. will escape from Arkham and kill more people, therefore he is also indirectly responsible for those killings.

There are new borns in North Korea who know the story of batman. Any new films should come out after a JLA film and not be a gods damned fraking origin story.

I cocncur. Wasn't the point of a Justice League movie to get more attention for the LARGER scope of the DC Universe,and for relative newcomers to maybe be brought in as well?

I'm not sure what its like in other countries outside the US (or in the US itself), but DC's biggest issue in the UK is that the only Superheros in their stable with any sort of brand recognition is Batman and Superman. I remember when the first X-Men film was announced, everyone I know was excited not because the premise sounded good or because we had read the comics, but because we all watched the 90's X-Men cartoon (which was awesome!!) and the same with Spiderman. Hulk had already made it into the public conciousness thanks to the TV show and even Iron Man had his own cartoon.

The other problem as I see it (and big on personal opinion here) is that very few DC heroes have the same impact when boiled down to 10 words or less. I've always felt that Marvel were great at coming up with ideas for characters (Billionaire with a robot suit, school kids with superpowers etc) but are crap when it comes to using them. DC on the other hand has blander sounding characters, but does great work when it comes to using them in a story.

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LadyRhian:
The only way I could see that working is if Darkseid decided to infiltrate the Earth first, using Granny Goodness and Glorious Godfrey and Batman is investigating their activities and learns that they aren't human, so he has something to do while the other heroes go after more of the other characters and Darkseid himself.

Smallville beat them to it.

I wouldn't be adverse to doing the same thing with Batman as was done with Wolverine in the X-Men prequel.

Also, I'm all on board with a Question movie. That would be awesome.

where's my friggin Starman movie!? :(

rhizhim:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

like really awkward premature ejaculation problems?

Still better than Wonder Woman's premature cancelation problems!

Krat Arona:
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Anyone? Anyone?

Supporting cast or no supporting cast? That IS the question!

ThrobbingEgo:

LadyRhian:
I was trying to think about what villain WB could bring to the table that could be powerful enough to take on the entire Justice League... and the only thing I came up with is Darkseid, And Batman dealing with Darkseid would be like nipples on a Batsuit-unnecessary, as well as outclassed.

Quick question: Do you know who Batman is? Due to writers compensating for putting the guy in a batsuit on a team with demigods, Batman has become the most feared and ruthless hero of DC's entire roster. His power is being the goddamn Batman.

That video sums up everything that's wrong with Batman. Batman's a normal human, that's his sell. Yet Darkseid (who can beat down Superman, who in turn has the strength to move planets) can punch him through a concrete pillar and Batman doesn't turn to soup. Superman can move faster than light and could punch someone into the sun, it doesn't matter how prepared you are, you're not reacting to that quickly enough. Batman has the ultimate super power, bullshit plot armour.

hunh. I just realized, I actually forgot Heath Ledger died. Though I dont think its right to have the joker be heath ledger's character. Or batman to be bales. I think in that way, the nolan films may have done more harm than good to batman for warner bros.

besides, bob, you know the next jump is superman, so I think its going to be a few years before we see smoen "new" get their chance.

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brought this up at my college's comic book/manga club, We all kinda agreed wed like to see them go the way of batman beyond. with the animated batman movie where he's like 60, it would work. we agree it would be rather unpopular, but it would be a logical step since you either have to bite the bullet and make a new batman or just do this.

I would be happy to see them do to Batman what they did in New Frontier. Set the story as taking place over a few years and subtly signal that he's changing from grimdark batman into fun, genre-mixing Batman with just a few scenes of characterization.

I wholeheartedly agree with Bob. Enough with the Bat. I would love a *good* green lantern movie or a good wonder woman movie.

EDIT: A good inhouse solution would be just get the staff that does the animated features for DC. Green Lantern First Flight was very good, some of the Superman animated features were very good.

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For the love of god someone greenlight a Batman Beyond movie.

DVS BSTrD:

rhizhim:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

like really awkward premature ejaculation problems?

Still better than Wonder Woman's premature cancelation problems!

there is a way to solve these two problems with a single swip- a fuck. there is already a porn parody out there...

No, WE HAVEN'T, because they haven't made a new Batman: Beyond cartoon/series/movie/whatever yet, and it is pissing me off.

Edit: Derp, Ninjad...Which is good, because that means others want more too!

Bob fails to fully comprehend the unstoppable force that is Batman with prep.

Also, I'm really not sure how they're going to handle The Flash with these films. I love him, but he's really far better suited to comics. Even if they lowball his abilities (which I'm guessing they will) he's still going to be awkward to portray in film.

I actually agree with this video. DC/ Warner Bro's need to look at their other characters. Flash, Question, Booster Gold (Normally Green Arrow would make it into this mix too, but then Arrow happened. And actually, I thought that Green Lantern was better than it seems to be generally accepted as, so he's not on the list either.) They have such a wealth of brilliant under tapped characters at their disposal.

And without Superman being asked to 'Kneel before Zod', my hopes for the movie aren't that high.

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DVS BSTrD:

rhizhim:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

like really awkward premature ejaculation problems?

Still better than Wonder Woman's premature cancelation problems!

Krat Arona:
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Anyone? Anyone?

Supporting cast or no supporting cast? That IS the question!

Ahh no!!!! Looks like I got mega- ninja'd on this! Hahah!!!! Ah well! Flash and Q are For The Win. Especially Q. One of my all time favourites!

How about we put Batman out for a while and replace it with something...unexpected? No, not Superman. Flash...eh, he had a TV show that ran for a number of seasons, I think the public still kind of knows his deal. Green Lantern had his shot and dropped the green energy construct in the shape of a ball so badly it blew up a planet. To me, there's three major DC characters ripe for adaptations that have had pretty minimal exposure (relative to Batman) that I would love to see on the movie screen.



DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

Pretty much THIS.

There's been no animated series, no movie, no starring roles in any of the DCU Animated films, and one Live-Action show almost no one remembers.

As one of the DCU's main heroes, can the Fastest Man Alive get SOMETHING now please?

With Mirror Master as the villain, kthnxbai.

DVS BSTrD:

rhizhim:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

like really awkward premature ejaculation problems?

Still better than Wonder Woman's premature cancelation problems!

Krat Arona:
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Anyone? Anyone?

Supporting cast or no supporting cast? That IS the question!

Won't make it. People will go 'huh, wait, isn't this Rorschach?'

"Yes, Mistress" and "Sexy King Triton" made my day. Bob, you have a lot of wit and I take my hat off to you.

bigfatcarp93:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

Pretty much THIS.

There's been no animated series, no movie, no starring roles in any of the DCU Animated films, and one Live-Action show almost no one remembers.

As one of the DCU's main heroes, can the Fastest Man Alive get SOMETHING now please?

With Mirror Master as the villain, kthnxbai.

I almost agree with you 100%, but I would have to say Trickster for the villain. Maybe he could have dual villains?

Desert Punk:
Batman is pretty much the only interesting hero in DCs primary stable though! The second most interesting would be Wonder Woman, but Superman is too good at everything boring, The flash runs fast boring, Aquaman is Aquaman, boring.

If they had to give Batman a break, I would much rather watch a Wonderwoman movie.

I love it when people who have never read a DC comic in their life declare DC characters boring.

Superman is an alien among us, raised as one of us but never really one of us. Torn between two worlds. He's a journalist, and has been since the days that actually meant something. Boring?

Flash is a police scientist. You know... CSI stuff. People love CSI. He lives between ticks of the clock, in a world too slow for him. He has a rogue's gallery of villains with a curious sense of honor. Boring?

Aquaman is a king. He rules three-quarters of the world. He commands legions. He has a heritage older than recorded civilization. Boring?

I'm sick of Batman, I'm tired of Iron-Man, I'm bored of Superman, I loathe another moment with Thor, I do not look forward to another film about or featuring Captain America. Yes, I am saying what people may think I am saying: I am sick of the current superhero depiction. Part of me thinks The Avengers was an accidental mistake that only worked due to the Joss Whedon and the cast of actors, that without that it should of been terrible since it was so prone to be bad. However, due to the success of The Avengers (a worthy success since it actually was good) film producers are going to start pumping out the same super-heroes over and over again the same way they pump out action hero films and driving-films, except with less variation. Will lesser known super heroes get attention? I severely doubt it. Will new super heroes be made? No. I fear a future of cinema where the super-hero genre is akin to comic books: Where DC and Marvel regurgitate the same tired heroes and same tired stories with reboots after reboot, akin to the "binge and purge" manner of eating. Give me something new. Please.

LordJedi86:

bigfatcarp93:

DVS BSTrD:
Hey, Why don't we make sure Flash gets SOMETHING first.

Pretty much THIS.

There's been no animated series, no movie, no starring roles in any of the DCU Animated films, and one Live-Action show almost no one remembers.

As one of the DCU's main heroes, can the Fastest Man Alive get SOMETHING now please?

With Mirror Master as the villain, kthnxbai.

I almost agree with you 100%, but I would have to say Trickster for the villain. Maybe he could have dual villains?

Well, fuck it, how about the Rogues? Just go all-out.

synobal:
I'd just like a Batman Beyond movie is that too much to ask?

synobal:

T3hSource:

synobal:
I'd just like a Batman Beyond movie is that too much to ask?

There is an animated movie of Batman Beyond with the Joker if I'm not mistaken.
Batman Beyond was cool, I'd like it if they gave us back Terry's Batman and applied a few more modern twists and actually used to setting's potential.

I guess I should of qualified it by saying a nonanimated movie. The Batman Beyond is like the one alternative batman setting/character they could tap reasonably well and expect mass appeal too. Not like Gaslight Batman or ya know the dozens of other batmans.

They Almost Did a Batman Beyond Movie in 2002 but they shelved the idea for Goyer/Nolan's Batman. Maybe they'll revisit this idea again.

I have to agree with Bob on the there is too much Batman. I love Bats but come on there are so many other characters and there are Heroes who are detective and are good at infiltrating and intimidation; The Question, Martian Manhunter and even the Flash(He's got a brain in there). The Only reason you don't see them much is the focus for any detective story seems to be Batman is the "Worlds Greatest" everyone else isn't good enough to highlight. Just keep Writing him and other characters into molds that needs to be broken.

bigfatcarp93:

LordJedi86:

bigfatcarp93:

Pretty much THIS.

There's been no animated series, no movie, no starring roles in any of the DCU Animated films, and one Live-Action show almost no one remembers.

As one of the DCU's main heroes, can the Fastest Man Alive get SOMETHING now please?

With Mirror Master as the villain, kthnxbai.

I almost agree with you 100%, but I would have to say Trickster for the villain. Maybe he could have dual villains?

Well, fuck it, how about the Rogues? Just go all-out.

It would definitely make it a stand out movie. It could follow a plot like the JLU episode with the Flash Museum. Start it with the basic assumption you know who the flash is, a little about his bad guys, and have some of them plot his downfall at the start. Skip the origin story- or make it the intro. It would probably make a better animated movie than live action one though.

EDIT: Even if you don't, for the main part, the names give them away- Trickster, Mirror Mastr, Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang, Gorilla Grodd, Professor Zoom &etc. It wouldn't be too hard to fill in the gaps as it goes.

Bob... how about you take a break from talking about Batman. You don't like him and that is fine. But you keep bringing him up even if there is no game or live-action movie out with him atm. How about you let me enjoy Batman for another 20 years mkay ?

bigfatcarp93:

LordJedi86:

bigfatcarp93:

Pretty much THIS.

There's been no animated series, no movie, no starring roles in any of the DCU Animated films, and one Live-Action show almost no one remembers.

As one of the DCU's main heroes, can the Fastest Man Alive get SOMETHING now please?

With Mirror Master as the villain, kthnxbai.

I almost agree with you 100%, but I would have to say Trickster for the villain. Maybe he could have dual villains?

Well, fuck it, how about the Rogues? Just go all-out.

Yes, because there's nothing like Doctor Freeze that ice-themed villain and Captain Boomerang to really convince non-comic fans that this movie is cool and not at all just generic superhero stuff!

...Seriously, I always thought the Rogues were sort of stupid.

Also, why do people like Batman? Because they like the idea that they COULD be Batman, with just enough training and gadgets. Sadly, Flash will suffer from the same problems as Superman: He's too powerful.

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