Escapist Podcast: 081: PlayStation 4

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081: PlayStation 4

This week, we discuss the announcement of the Playstation 4.

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The character for four isn't the same as the character for death. The sounds of those words are similar in Chinese (different tones). This transfers into Japanese because of Sino-Japanese vocabulary.

For reference:
Death: 死
Four: 四

Thanks for the PodCat, PodderCatters!

yunabomb:
The character for four isn't the same as the character for death. The sounds of those words are similar in Chinese (different tones). This transfers into Japanese because of Sino-Japanese vocabulary.

For reference:
Death: 死
Four: 四

Dang it you beat me too it.

OT: I like the idea of streaming the videos, but I feel like Sony is trying to usurp my HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition.
I was really disappointed in Square Enix. I mean we're going into the new generation and FF Versus XIII, which was supposed to be a PS3 launch title, has yet to be released. I'm going to assume that they'll be localizing the KH HD but Square is really dragging with things in my opinion.
The only game that piqued my curiosity was the new iNfamous game.

Funny thing about Killzone and your mention of it lacking a distinct personality and never getting to Halo levels or anything, it could be that the problem lies with the developers (this is obvious but stay with me).
In the case of Killzone the problem lies with the nationality of the developers. They are Dutch, as in from The Netherlands.
Being Dutch myself I can explain this. The Dutch usually try to be diplomatic, safe, inoffensive in the products that they try to sell. Usually aimed at the lowest level possible to maximize potential customers.
Killzone is probably a good example of this.

Now I know what the stereotypes are for the Dutch and I can confirm, they are mostly completely wrong.

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who felt a little underwhelmed by the selection of actual games shown.

Oh, and the system seller for the 360 was Halo 3.

Also on the topic of system sellers, I actually agree that Sony's systems maybe are a little less reliant on the one big system seller. They rely more on a consistently solid line up with a handful of stand out titles, but not really one or two huge names.

No successful console MMOs? I thought FFXI was pretty well received on the console. Also, while Phantasy Star Online wasn't a true MMO, it was a slight deviation that was very successful.

In the end, did the reveal convince me to buy a PS4? No, but it didn't scare me away either. I liked some of the concepts they talked about and some of the tech looked cool, but the games didn't do anything for me at all.

yunabomb:
The character for four isn't the same as the character for death. The sounds of those words are similar in Chinese (different tones). This transfers into Japanese because of Sino-Japanese vocabulary.

For reference:
Death: 死
Four: 四

Curses! I was misled by my own newsie!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/122276-Sony-Stock-Drops-After-PS4-Event

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/18/majority-of-dc-universe-online-users-play-from-the-ps3/

So apparently PS3 is where the most of the players of DCUO are.

As for buying a PS4...... Nope.... No plans as is... But then I am saving for a gaming rig, and didn't buy a PS3 until about six months ago anyway......

yunabomb:
The character for four isn't the same as the character for death. The sounds of those words are similar in Chinese (different tones). This transfers into Japanese because of Sino-Japanese vocabulary.

For reference:
Death: 死
Four: 四

You may correct me on this but from my fuzzy knowledge back from the two semesters of Japanese I took in college,death is shi and four is shi or yon. I was told because of superstitions many things weren't named 4 because of the similarity. For example buildings don't have 4th floors, much like how in the English speaking world they don't give buildings 13th floors.

My major concern about the streaming of games is that the internet infrastructure in the UK is so far behind that of Japan and most of the US that I really doubt that it would be able to handle it anywhere near as well as it could in those countries.

Serious note: The enzymes in Milk can eat through blood stains. Haven't tested this but my old Physics teacher swore by it.

LordFish:
Serious note: The enzymes in Milk can eat through blood stains. Haven't tested this but my old Physics teacher swore by it.

Good to know! For, erm...future reference. Or science, yes. Science!

I think I heard that ginger ale can work on it, too, but I'm not sure I buy that.

Susan Arendt:

LordFish:
Serious note: The enzymes in Milk can eat through blood stains. Haven't tested this but my old Physics teacher swore by it.

Good to know! For, erm...future reference. Or science, yes. Science!

I think I heard that ginger ale can work on it, too, but I'm not sure I buy that.

Ok now I can't help but picture you like this Susan.

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Admittedly with far more cats.

Susan Arendt:

LordFish:
Serious note: The enzymes in Milk can eat through blood stains. Haven't tested this but my old Physics teacher swore by it.

Good to know! For, erm...future reference. Or science, yes. Science!

I think I heard that ginger ale can work on it, too, but I'm not sure I buy that.

On a side note/follow up, did Alice have to get surgery from that indecent or was it just a "it'll work it's way out of her system" kind of thing.

Eric the Orange:

Susan Arendt:

LordFish:
Serious note: The enzymes in Milk can eat through blood stains. Haven't tested this but my old Physics teacher swore by it.

Good to know! For, erm...future reference. Or science, yes. Science!

I think I heard that ginger ale can work on it, too, but I'm not sure I buy that.

On a side note/follow up, did Alice have to get surgery from that indecent or was it just a "it'll work it's way out of her system" kind of thing.

We had to get her medicine to stop her from throwing up, get her fluids to rehydrate her, and moderate her diet for several days. No surgery, thankfully.

After watching the Sony Event video I'm curious, but at the moment I'm not sure if I will buy it right away.

If anything, it made me curious to know what they're gonna do about their E3 press conference, and how the other companies are going to conduct their conferences. My guess is that there are gonna be some games that have been shown years ago, and will be talked about this time. Maybe that's wishful thinking talking because I was super bummed about not hearing anything about The Last Guardian.

E3 will be the deciding factor for me since I want to know what they have planned, and how much.

There was definitely an assumption on behalf of the organizers that the audience cared as much about the accuracy of the cars in Drive Club as the presenter did. I turned off the stream then because I found it so uninteresting.

Omg and another podcat tomorrow?! Awesooome.

As for the PS4... none of the demos really interested me.

The big thing I need to hear more about is their whole game streaming thing for PS1/2/3 games. I've been PC-only ($$ reasons) for ~5 years now. There are PS3 exclusives I'd love to play--Journey, MGS4, Heavy Rain, Two Souls, Last of Us, Tales of Xillia--but almost no 360 exclusives. (And, hell, some amazing PS2 games I missed out on too, the most egregious being Silent Hill 2 and Persona 3/4.) So if there's some way to play those games through the PS4's streaming thing, I'll get one on launch and skip the 720. If not, I'll prolly wait until a few compelling titles come out on the PS4 or 720 and decide between them then, maybe picking up a PS3 in the meantime.

You know what I think the real coup of Sony's early reveal is? Pax East. Think about it: Microsoft must either launch a similar conference (which will look desperate), reveal at Pax East (a much smaller event), or allow Sony to be the star of Pax East. All Sony needs to do is reveal three games and a few details and that becomes the big news out of Pax East. You guys know more about the industry than me so tell me if I'm off base with this but if they show the console itself at Pax East and save the launch date, price, and first hands on for E3 this puts Microsoft in the uncomfortable position of having to do all of those things at E3 if they want to release this year.

I kinda feel like this upcoming generation is mainly a formality. For starters, the Wii U is basically catch up for Nintendo, and many people make the claim that it's sort of gen 7.5 rather than gen 8 (who the hell keeps track of this stuff?!)
And we do need to see what Microsoft has in store, but so far, it's not looking like there will be a huge leap in processor power. I know, I scoff and cackle whenever somebody says "graphics cannot get any better!" because there are people who believe that every time an upgrade comes out, and people (myself included) just stare at them and say "...are you series?"
But from what we've seen of several promised PS4 games, keeping in mind that the games we were shown for the PS3 and 360 when those consoles were about to come out and how they weren't representative of the average graphics developers would end up utilising, and the unspoken fear that developers will be less able/willing to take full advantage of these new graphics because of development costs and limitations, I do think it's reasonable to wager that the leap between this generation and this upcoming one will be the smallest leap to date in terms of [utilised] rendering power.

The few features Sony is gushing about aren't game changers (pun totally intended!) and nobody will buy a PS4 based on those features alone, they're just added bonuses. So the PS4 looks like more of an update to the PS3 rather than "THE NEXT LEVELLLLLLLL!!"

So I have this feeling (and it's a feeling I'm at peace with) that the next generation is a formality to placate any gamers starting to get bored because developers are saying "Blargh! We don't feel like making any big new IPs until next gen! And we decree that that is everybody's fault but our own!"

I am one of the few that are genuinely excited for the PS4, and not just because of Infamous Second Son (seriously am I the only fanboy of that series?). I think that people just forget just how ancient the technology is inside of the PS3 and the 360. THis fact finally hit me when Gearbox talked about why they couldn't add any more character levels to Borderlands 2 without frying the game. Just imagine how many games in the past few years have been limited by the specs of the consoles, not in terms of Graphics, but in terms of mechanics. The Ps4 has finally lifted a few of these limitations and developers will flock to the console because of it.

Sony finally pulled their head out of their ass as well, and made a console developers will not despise working with.

Best of all, it doesn't seem to be running on gimmick, unlike the WiiU. The gimmicks they do have are completely optional; every game won't have to use the touch pad, the motion sensor, the online sharing, and the game chat, these things are just potential options for developers.

You know what? I am beginning to get the press conference now; this was as much for developers as well the general public. I have a feeling that there are going to be some big games coming for the console and sooner than we think.

So we're going to pretend FFXI as cross platform MMORPG. And the fact that it's mention it's the most profitable Final Fantasy game, I'm just going to let that sink in.

Reference:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/24/the-most-profitable-final-fantasy-of-all-time-is

DrunkenElfMage:
I am one of the few that are genuinely excited for the PS4, and not just because of Infamous Second Son (seriously am I the only fanboy of that series?). I think that people just forget just how ancient the technology is inside of the PS3 and the 360. THis fact finally hit me when Gearbox talked about why they couldn't add any more character levels to Borderlands 2 without frying the game. Just imagine how many games in the past few years have been limited by the specs of the consoles, not in terms of Graphics, but in terms of mechanics. The Ps4 has finally lifted a few of these limitations and developers will flock to the console because of it.

Sony finally pulled their head out of their ass as well, and made a console developers will not despise working with.

Best of all, it doesn't seem to be running on gimmick, unlike the WiiU. The gimmicks they do have are completely optional; every game won't have to use the touch pad, the motion sensor, the online sharing, and the game chat, these things are just potential options for developers.

You know what? I am beginning to get the press conference now; this was as much for developers as well the general public. I have a feeling that there are going to be some big games coming for the console and sooner than we think.

I was excited. I've very much got the feel that the Escapist is very much a PC or Xbox sort of site, not a lot of love for the under dog. I'm going to sell hardcore porn if I have to to get my hands on inFAMOUS, although I'd like to see an Insomniac game, but that isn't going to happen because they're working on a crappy Resistance spin-off for EA.

Although I do get what they mean by system seller, the only reason the Xbox is still around is because Halo did so well and the only reason the Wii sold literal fuck tonnes is because of Wii-sports. Not saying those systems didn't have good exclusives, but yeah, the reasons they sold.

Okay, I checked the weather forecast for New York, and it says it's about 40 F over there.

And, as a Finnish person, I gotta say that is not cold. I'd totally wear a hoodie for a weather like that. But it depends on what kind of weather you're used to. And also on whether you'll be moving around or standing still). Growing up, there were times when our house would be about 10C. (We also had no running water or inside toilet.)

wow you guys could of been a bit more excited, its a new console, come on. this podcast seemed too negative. i would like to know why Susan thinks the xbox 360 is a better GAMES console seeing as though Microsoft has no focus on the actual games anymore. i most say as a avid listener, your views on this were disappointing to me and got me a bit annoyed. sorry just saying what i think.

Regarding Persona 5: Tokyo Jungle, its worth noting that in Persona 3 there is a dog that can summon a persona(though this was in Persona 3, where having a Persona had nothing to do with one's inner self and mostly just happened"because"), so the crossover is somewhat plausible.

Regarding the PS4, I'm not excited for it, but if I'm going to buy a next generation console, it pretty much wins by default. Between Microsoft's practices(ads on a service I pay for!)and Nintendo being Nintendo, as well as Sony historically having the better exclusives and taking more risks, there's no question of which company to root for. That said, I'd probably sooner just buy a used PS3 on the cheap or go whole hog with the PC GAMUHN MERSTER RERC, but there you go.

Also, I'm disappoint that Susan didn't get a chance to say anything about the new titles. Does no one remember she wasn't here last week?

I'll have to try and remember to listen to this episode at home instead of my normal Saturday ritual at work, the lack of audio level balancing (or eating the mic) on one of the staff had the whole room looking at me when he cut in >_<;;

DrunkenElfMage:
I am one of the few that are genuinely excited for the PS4, and not just because of Infamous Second Son (seriously am I the only fanboy of that series?). I think that people just forget just how ancient the technology is inside of the PS3 and the 360. THis fact finally hit me when Gearbox talked about why they couldn't add any more character levels to Borderlands 2 without frying the game.

EDIT: Oops! Nevermind, I was wrong. Would feel weird just deleting the post though.

Lieju:
Okay, I checked the weather forecast for New York, and it says it's about 40 F over there.

And, as a Finnish person, I gotta say that is not cold. I'd totally wear a hoodie for a weather like that. But it depends on what kind of weather you're used to. And also on whether you'll be moving around or standing still). Growing up, there were times when our house would be about 10C. (We also had no running water or inside toilet.)

Our weather in the spring is pretty labile. It's been anywhere from 20F to 50F the past few weeks. 40's def hoodie (maybe even tshirt, but I like the cold) weather, but it was prolly colder than that that night.

bananafishtoday:

Our weather in the spring is pretty labile. It's been anywhere from 20F to 50F the past few weeks. 40's def hoodie (maybe even tshirt, but I like the cold) weather, but it was prolly colder than that that night.

Yeah, to be fair, it also depends on whether it's windy.

after I saw infamous second son I was like shut up and take my money sony :)

Milk is good for shifting blood. Just FYI.

wakeup:
wow you guys could of been a bit more excited, its a new console, come on. this podcast seemed too negative. i would like to know why Susan thinks the xbox 360 is a better GAMES console seeing as though Microsoft has no focus on the actual games anymore. i most say as a avid listener, your views on this were disappointing to me and got me a bit annoyed. sorry just saying what i think.

I didn't say it was better. I may like it better, but that's a personal preference.

Our views were disappointing because we didn't agree with you?

As a counterpoint to the whole console MMO discuss, would you consider the Phantasy Star Online game and its various incarnations to be MMOs? I mean,
1) It was online (duh)
2) With other people
3) You could chat with them, primarily with preselected phrases, but there was a specialized keyboard for the Dreamcast
4) It's maybe not as open-ended as, for example WoW, since there was a definite storyline to be played.

Thoughts?

Most of my friends are PS3 and XB360 players and they call came away cautiously optimistic with Sony's conference. We are whatever you want to game core gamers or enthusiasts gamers whatever; so I think the more gamesr then you think took away a positive outlook.

Also, consoles MMOs have been 'a thing'. Final Fantasy 11 is still a very lucrative and popular game, and much of it audience did start playing on PS2. And, yeah you could play it with a keyboard on the system. PS1, SP2 and PS3 have all had mouse & keyboard support....and yeah people do play the MMOs on those systems with a keyboard.

I am very likely to buy a PS4, and a poll among my friends seems to be the same. Some of my XB360 friends are a little conflicted about how much they want one. I think PS4 did change more minds than you think.

The system seller for me from PS1 through P3 were the Gran Turismo series. I think it was stupid for them not to have at least a GT6 Prologue demo or announcement at this conference. While Drive Club looks cool, Evolution Studios are not known for simulation games and they don't have the pedigree of Polyphony Digital. Also, Squenix just showed of the old Agni's Philosophy video again, that's not nearly enough to make me want to buy a PS4 at launch. I don't care about all the social stuff. Companies just don't get it, not everyone wants to play games with another person, sometimes we just want a good single player game.

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