Jimquisition: New Generation, Old Bullsh*t

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CrazyCapnMorgan:
Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

I'm crying with laughter.

I was actually quite excited by the announcement, I mean, why the hell are people pissed off?

Sony is trying to sell a product, how dare they?, the fucking nerve.

Oh boy, am I glad to be part of the master race.

But man, that David Cage guy sure knows what's what.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/l531ei
(From the twitter desk of Mr. James Sterling, Esq.)

Well, not all has to ber thrown out and changed. there is space for new ips as well as old ones. the new oens will come whne its time is here. the most important thing is that the architecture to develop for sony is finally a workable one and as such we will see much more risky games becuase they will need to throw less money to make the same. not to mention not needing to work around horrendeous ram limitations of PS3.

If anything PS4 proves that consoles wont be obsolete yet.

you know those graphics aliens fiaeld to deliver? cause the consoles couldnt run it. now it can, so if they were developing for PS4 instead, they wouldnt have neeeded to lie. so there.

lack of backward compactability is a no brainer. have a shitty structure or no compactability? of course no compactability for sihtty structure based games(not shitty games, just developed for crap hardware).

Digital content i agree with you.

and yep, the gaming community is who allows this to happen. and we will continue to, because the average gamer doesnt care.

I'll fuck you up jim

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Sorry, couldn't resist. I would do you though; you can even be top.

I really think it's amazing how far everyone is coming to the same epiphany that I had many years ago but... I mean you're all aware that dirty business etcetera is a problem endemic in current western culture and not just the gaming industry... right?

Let me hunt out my cyber punk copypasta

As for me, PC master race. Playing crazy japanese VNs

Hearts and kisses Jim.

Zachary Amaranth:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers bitch about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?

Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.

With all due respect, and you do have your reasons Jim, but graphics are essential to a new generation, simply because it's evident representation of a console's power, a great PC can run games with great graphics without damaging the entertainment per se, same goes for consoles. But I do agree that the graphics shown were either very much alike what we already have or pretty untrustworthy, I just can't believe that Capcom game is gameplay graphics, it might be NOW, while it's running incomplete, but will it remain the same when the whole game goes for the PS4? I feel strange about it because the very gameplay seemed too much like a video and not really a game.

I'm looking forward to Metal Gear Solid 5 (if that's the name it gets) and Watch Dogs. But I wanna see what MS brings to the table first. Xbox 360 had the original Mass Effect as an exclusive, and Bioshock was exclusive as well for almost an year, I'm not the waiting type, those were the games that earned my MS loyalty in the last gen (later on I bought a PS3 to play the rest of the exclusives), thus, like someone else said, "the line up makes the console".

bug_of_war:

Zachary Amaranth:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers bitch about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?

Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.

True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.

bug_of_war:

Zachary Amaranth:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers bitch about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?

Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.

Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.

OT:The thing that tires me out most about this new console unveiling is that no one really seems to be talking about games, anymore. It's all about how powerful the tech is and what we could --conceivably-- do with it, or about the new features that have been built in to connect with social media; all of that should come after we're shown all the great new games we'll be playing, not a couple of tech demos and a predictable parade of four or five of the same old stalking horses.

Someone said earlier in the thread that, as part of the older gamer generation, it's hard to generate the same kind of excitement when you've seen so many new consoles come and go already, and I think there's definitely truth in that, but I think there's also an element of I've seen developers spin this kind of bullshit enough times now to know when I'm being sold a pack of half-truths and promises they'll never, ever come through on.

Zachary Amaranth:
Thanks for that recap. I mean, it hits most of the griping points I have.

But at the same time, can we as gamers bitch about the lack of new "IP" (one of the most misused words this generation) when we reward this line of thinking by investing nothing into such new concepts and designs and instead buying the latest sequels sight unseen?

bug_of_war:

Just to add onto this point, people cry about the lack of new IP's but then go forth and demand backwards compatability.

Milanezi:

True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.

Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.

rob_simple:

Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.

I see your point, but I disagree, at least in the sense of non backwards compatability with discs (digital buys from the PSN should carry over immedietly). but they haven't and may take longer to come if at all. We shouldn't be angry at this though, sometimes we gotta move on, and video games aren't as big an investment as a new house and furniture. Looking at the film and music situation, as in the conversion from VHS-DVD-BluRay and Vinyl-Cassette-CD, I'd say that video games are just following the trend of digital art. Sure you can still get most songs and films easier than games, but that is not a bad thing, just look at Nintendo and how people are begining to groan because "Hey guys we've just started development on New NEW Super Mario Land 1 month after NEW Super Mario Land". It's fine to want to play old games, I think everybody should be able to pick up an old classic, and you can mostly still do that by holding onto your old harware. A friend of mine just recently bought himself a PS3 and 20 games for under 400 dollars, some of these games were as old as the console itself, but he still got the games and they worked.

Milanezi:

True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.

Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.[/quote]

I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.

I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it

bug_of_war:

Milanezi:

True. Some games I just wish are left the way they are, with remakes from time to time just to keep them looking and playing good. One of those games should be Bioshock, nobody needed Bioshock 2, I enjoyed it, but the first one was simply amazing. But hey, on the other hand, I can't wait for a new saga based on the Mass Effect universe or a new Fallout game.

Can't say I speak for Zach, but I can tell you that I am not opposed towards sequels to good games. I am also looking forward to the next installment in the Mass Effect series, but at the same time I feel some games just need to not be made. For example, Assassins Creed: Revelations in my opinion was not needed and actually stagnated the series more than progressed it or made an actual change in the games. This is the type of sequel encouragement that I think should be stopped, the "Oh lets make one a year after the previous game and add in some extras". But yeah, I have no problem with a franchise carrying over to the next console, hell Pokemon does it without much pain so why shouldn't other series do so.

I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.

I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it

Anyone knows how a noob deletes the fucking post???

So, I want to read something here really quickly. Bear with me.

There were several reasons for the crash, but the main cause was supersaturation of the market with hundreds of mostly low-quality games which resulted in the loss of consumer confidence. The full effects of the industry crash would not be felt until 1985...

A core cause of the crash was two high-profile titles for the Atari 2600 that were failures. In 1982, Atari attempted to take advantage of the craze following the arcade game Pac-Man by releasing a version for the Atari 2600. However, development was rushed so as to have the game out in time for the 1982 Christmas season. Although the game managed to sell well in terms of absolute numbers, Atari had grossly overestimated the number of sales it would generate. Critics and gamers universally panned the game as being nothing like the lively, colorful original. In the end, Atari only sold a little over half the number of cartridges it produced. Production cost overruns combined with the costs incurred with a big marketing campaign for the game resulted in huge losses for Atari.

Atari also issued its widely advertised E.T. game. Once again, it manufactured millions of units in anticipation of a major hit. Concerned about making the Christmas season, Atari again rushed the game to market quickly, after a mere six weeks of development time. The end result is widely considered to be one of the worst video games ever. To clear their inventory, Atari eventually ended up burying the unsold copies in a landfill in New Mexico. Combined with the high costs for the movie license, E.T. became another financial failure for Atari. Atari was sold two years later as the crash impacted upon the industry.

This was from the Wikipedia entry on the North American Video Game Crash of 1983. You know, the one that made us forget Atari existed.

There were a couple other factors in play, such as console saturation, but an overall decline of quality, diminishing quality of games, and lack of faith in publishers seems to be eerily similar to the state of the industry today.

Jim's not kidding when he says that this very well could be the last generation. I mean, it already happened.

Fortunately, even if PSN and XBL go down, I'm sure that my copy of Fallout 3 on my 360 and the Touhou and Surgeon Simulator 2013 games I have on my computer will still work, so I'm fully prepared to see the servers go down.

Milanezi:

I don't like Pokémon, but that's a hell of an example! I would point out in the same category, Gran Theft Auto, we don't get those games EVERY year, but every time they come they BLOW OUR MINDS, we replay them for the sheer fun. that's when it hits me at times "out of my 150+ library of games, less than 20 are really worth it, as in, those are the few ones I really need" Sometimes I look at my games and you know what? If the only games I had (from this gen) were The Witcher, Mass Effect (the trilogy), the first Bioshock, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Metal Gear Solid 4, Batman (both Arkham), and maybe, MAYBE InFamous Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War I wouldn't really need any other game. Now you might say "hey, but you said a lot of games", but those games are just a FEW compared to how many are released (AAA) per year, let alone during the whole GENERATION. I'm promising myself, starting right now with what remains of this gen, I'm only buying the stuff that seems immortal to me, from the new IP's to be released, it means, I'm getting Remember Me, from the old IPs, GTA V, MG Rising, Bioshock infinite and... Maybe that's all.

I agree, I frequently find myself trading in games at EB every 6 months or so, and I too only really hold onto the games that I feel I can always jump back into whenever I want. Good example of this is the fact that I still own Skate 3, Mirrors Edge, Resident Evil 5, Resident Evil 4, etc etc. I disagree in the idea of not buying a game unless you're going to play it forever though. If I see a game that looks interesting I will generally consider buying it regardless of it's longevity. I really enjoyed Resident Evil 6 believe it or not, and while I am unsure if it will be traded away with games such as Far Cry 3 I don't regret buying any of them.

Milanezi:

I'm stuck with AC 3 (which I love by the way, though indeed, they should not release another AC like "AC 3 The Mohawk Revelation" or some other bs, just to keep remebring fans every year, their stuff is great, don't spoil by bringing it every damn year, Revelations was great, but I almost abandoned it cause I couldn't get anymore of Ezio), FarCry 3 and DMC (that was a lousy bet) all great games, problem is I didn't hold myself, and bought Max Payne 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, hell i don't even remember the other stuff, it sucks, because I don't even feel like playing all of them, right now, i wanna finish FC 3, AC 3, and the damn Borderlands 2 which is going on a snail's pace. Wasted money and not enough time is what I say to the rest as far as my taste goes... Though I think i DID make a smart move with max payne, I feel I'll love it when i get to it

I REALLY liked AC3 as well, but I'm kinda torn in the sense that I don't wanna see Connor become stale like Ezio in AC:R, but I do feel like he could definately pull off one more game. Ubisoft has crushed the idea of a sequel though, they've stated they're moving on so meh. I get what you're saying, you were unable to divide your time between life and game time and that's resulted in you not exactly fully enjoying all the games you've purchased, but my answer to that is to pace yourself. Over christmas I ended up getting somethng like 6 games all at once, two handheld, 4 Xbox, and while it was the holidays it was still quite a fair bit of gaming hours. Instead of diving into all of them at once, I focused entirely on one game at a time. I get that with games like Far Cry 3 and Borderlands 2 there are points in which the game gets stale or repetetive (more so FC3 than B2), but in the end I guess it's just a matter of figuring out how to get through it. I found that if I got bored in FC3 I would just do the main missions as it would get the game over and done with, while with Borderlands I changed from Zer0 to Axton because I found the play style of the character didn't suit how I liked playing. As for Max Payne 3, you will enjoy the hell out of it, started off a little slow for my liking, but boy does that game kickass after the first act.

I HAVE AN EXPLANATION!:

The PS3 didn't do well. It was last in the console race.
Only an idiot would say that financially, now is the time for risks.
If it's one thing sony doesn't want. It's another high tech, high price console that only scrapes by meagerly.

It's been the same old tactics and same old games for awhile now, and I think the price of super graphics is to blame. I really haven't wanted any games desperately since... whenever, except classic games.

Jim and 90% of the bootlickers in this thread need to quit gaming. If you are that unhappy and unimpressed, reroll another hobby or career.

Oh, and if you have to warn people of the so-called legions of Sony fans you're intentionally trying to piss off, you're clearly a troll. The entire video was a plea to get the masses on N4G to show up and drop a comment. Why? This show is running on fumes. It's only good when you're dogging EA or some other company that shat on your pillow.

"I'm not singling out Sony"...haha. *goes back to check for the "I'm tire of this shit" video from the WiiU reveal that doesn't exist* *patiently waits for the "I'm tired of this shit" Jimquisition after the 720 that will probably focus on how tired of Sony's bullshit Jim is.

So Sony's new racing game is PS4's version of a game that is Xbox's version of Gran Turismo?

This whole video is laced with bait...

I remember my first PS1 and PS2. The graphics were WOW, just seeing the trex/mantaray demos were amazing to me. Battle Arena Toshinden & Destruction Derby were major changes in gaming and graphics. Now i think after the PS3 and 360 - graphics and throwing polygons around the screen no longer impress us. We can tell what is fluff and what is new, and now we just want games that make us wow. New ip. Not just another shiny version of games we have already played. Im sure some people want all that social crap, but you sell a console by games. Except there doesnt seem to be any on the PS4 at the moment. An if there is nothing to wow me then i will just keep playing my 360/ps3 until games are released that i need to play.

Though, im sure they are gonna do big things at E3. Maybe they made a crappy event just so we will have a low expectation of PS4/Sony at the E3? lol.

Nothing about the consol scene has interested me in over five years. Nice to see nothing has changed.

bug_of_war:

rob_simple:

Two separate arguments, there, champ. It's like me buying a new house but being told I can't move in any of my old stuff because this one is already furnished.

I see your point, but I disagree, at least in the sense of non backwards compatability with discs (digital buys from the PSN should carry over immedietly). but they haven't and may take longer to come if at all. We shouldn't be angry at this though, sometimes we gotta move on, and video games aren't as big an investment as a new house and furniture. Looking at the film and music situation, as in the conversion from VHS-DVD-BluRay and Vinyl-Cassette-CD, I'd say that video games are just following the trend of digital art. Sure you can still get most songs and films easier than games, but that is not a bad thing, just look at Nintendo and how people are begining to groan because "Hey guys we've just started development on New NEW Super Mario Land 1 month after NEW Super Mario Land". It's fine to want to play old games, I think everybody should be able to pick up an old classic, and you can mostly still do that by holding onto your old harware. A friend of mine just recently bought himself a PS3 and 20 games for under 400 dollars, some of these games were as old as the console itself, but he still got the games and they worked.

I agree that backwards compatibility for discs isn't a huge issue, (one of life's greatest pleasures, to me, is digging out an old console and reminiscing for a while,) but with digital downloads they really have no excuse. I would like the option to play my old discs on the new hardware, but at least the reasons for that not being possible are justified, and the only real difference it makes, to me, is that I won't be upgrading to the new console immediately.

You're comparison with VHS-DVD-BluRay is completely justified, but where video games differ is I can't buy the same old games I love for a new console like I could with buying songs off the Apple Store or buying films on Blu-Ray, and I can still integrate my old collections of film and music into new media (DVD's play in Blu-Ray players; I can rip CD's and put them on my iPod). Hell, there are even programs to rip vinyl onto computers now, and I can transfer VHS's onto the computer, likewise, then burn them to DVD's.

Video games are really the only format that completely locks out old iterations and people seem to be alright with it, which made sense in the cartridge days when technology meant cartridges were getting smaller and smaller, but with the transition to discs that excuse is less valid and with digital content there is no reason they couldn't make it work.

I completely get where you are coming from in terms of moving on instead of constantly harping back, but in this case I feel that it's akin to throwing your copy of Batman Returns in the bin because The Dark Knight exists, now. You can embrace new ideas without completely abandoning the old ones.

DigitalSushi:

CrazyCapnMorgan:
Hey Jim, all humour aside, did the parody of the announcement of the PS4 sum up pretty much all thoughts of the event?

In case you haven't seen it:

I'm crying with laughter.

I was actually quite excited by the announcement, I mean, why the hell are people pissed off?

Sony is trying to sell a product, how dare they?, the fucking nerve.

After the debacle that was Aliens: Colonial Marines, people have finally taken to heart that everything that gets shown to them deserves criticism. Whether or not said criticism is actually fair will vary from person to person, but for me - nothing less than showing me the system, putting the game in and playing it will earn my trust. That's what it has come to.

Furthermore, I don't blame people who have criticism over the PS4. Opinions such as Jim's are to be expected. Look at what has happened up to this point:

1) Mass Effect story writer's outright lie about how they were going to end the series
2) Diablo 3's piss poor launch, not to mention the actual game itself
3) Afore mentioned A:CM debacle and being conned into a game that should've been an awesome entry for the franchise
4) The WarZ fiasco (seriously, how the hell is Sergey Titov still relevant in this industry?)

And more can be added to this, I'm sure.

Bottom line is: many people don't trust anyone in the gaming industry at this point. That's how videos, like the one I posted, make such a mark. The comedy is that that was an effective, and mostly truthful, evaluation of the whole event. Something the gaming industry obviously lacks the vision to perceive.

Akratus:
I HAVE AN EXPLANATION!:

The PS3 didn't do well. It was last in the console race.
Only an idiot would say that financially, now is the time for risks.
If it's one thing sony doesn't want. It's another high tech, high price console that only scrapes by meagerly.

So why have they created exactly that?
Why, if money is so tight, have they made another console that they're going to be selling at a loss while trying to make it up in unit sales for the five or six games they'll have available at launch?
If Sony really didn't want a repeat of the PS3, then they wouldn't have gone ahead and made the exact same console with more powerful tech.

Sony are just another prime example of a market that has almost completely stopped listening to the consumer and instead tried to latch onto every fad that's going in the hope of fooling people long enough to get their money, as opposed to the old fashioned method of knuckling down and making the games that used to make console gaming worthwhile.

RandV80:

I'd say it's more just like the current generation. I just finished watching the video, and my impression was while the big guys have found a whole lot of new types of bullshit to dump on us, what Jim's saying here is pretty much the exact impression I got going into the PS3/360 generation. Same basic games, better graphics. And this was not the case with previous generation jumps. From 8-bit to 16-bit to CD to DVD, each time a new console came out new types of games and genres came with it (a new controller as well for that matter).

My basic guidelines for to measure a new generation of games on is "could you have made this next gen game for a last gen console with lesser graphics". Because of this I was never impressed with the PS3/360, and it looks like things aren't going to be much better for the PS4/whatever.

One more thing to illustrate this, just look at The Elder Scroll series. Look at the jump we got from Daggerfall to Morrowind. Then look at the complete sidestep from Morrowind to Oblivion. With mods you can now bring the PC version of Morrowind's graphics up to par with Oblivion, and you have something that may as well have been made on the same console.

The start of every generation is just like the previous one. Sure sometimes we get a different controller or storage device but that rarely ever changes the early games that come out. Having cross platform games blurs that line even more with the staggered release of consoles from developers.

Even the 8-bit to 16-bit or CD to DVD didnt bring about many changes other then allowing for better graphics.

Crono1973:
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Most PC's don't have a GTX 670, 12 GB's of RAM and a quad core. Was the point of this post to brag about YOUR specs?

40% of PC gamers on Steam has a quadcore. They are A LOT and they are probably the most active part of the Steam player base. They are going to be more by the end of the year. Probably more than people with 2 core PCs (wich are 48% of the Steam player base).

Anyway for a PC gamer, an upgrade to the PC like mine for the GPU and RAM to a 3/4 year old CPU cost as much as a PS4 (if the rumors are to be believed). In 6 months, it will cost less. And the software (games) costs less too.

So the point of my post is pretty simple and I'm not bragging about my specs. A PC can change with relative ease: in 6 months most gaming PCs could be upgraded to perform equally or better than any "next-gen" console and you can save the cost thanks to Steam sales or other similar services.

So, your "most gaming PCs will perform worse than a PS4" is simply wrong, false and baseless. The point of console is not power or money. They are just more convenient for the living room and offer a different set of ergonomics.

The lack of 'software' backwards compatibility, in regard to PSN purchases is, frankly, unforgivable. I have a NES, SNES, PS1, PS2slim and PS3slim here and I'm saying that. It's unforgivable. The PSN stuff has to be backwards compatible, and, if it isn't, they deserve every ounce, and more, of negativity they get in return.

I understand the lack of the hardware compatibility, the PS4 not playing PS3 discs does not bother me. I'm talking purely about the digital stuff.

I have nearing three decades worth of PC games, I've bought, that work on my current PC through one means or another - that I HAVE NOT had to repurchase in order to keep working. All working on my modern PC. This is the competition, like it or not, the PC as a gaming platform is not dying, and never has been. It's competition. Consoles, becoming ever more like PCs, have to step up - and not just the PS4. For the faults in the PS4 as we see them currently, the Wii U has many more faults, and I have NO faith that Microsoft's new XBOX, when announced, will manage any better.

When I first heard about the announcement for the PS4, the first words out of my mouth were "Yay! Now the browns and greys will look even better!" I never watched the content for the new console. Heck, I didn't care. After watching this video, not only did I realize that I wasn't the only one, but other people seemed to be apathetic for similar reasons. I've been gradually moving away from the console market since it seemed like fresh ideas were only coming out for the PC with the indie market. I was hoping for interesting stuff would come out on console, but companies just seem to be pushing more of the franchises I've never played in the first place. Nor have I had any interest in playing them. I hope the industry and pull out of this funk soon, or I feel like this could spell the end (for the console market, anyways).

I completely and 100% agree with everything you are saying.

"This generation, as long preordained and prophesied, might finally be, the last"

Thank god, thank FUCKING god. And yes, I've been saying this for years, at least since 2010 if not sooner. I didn't realize that it was such a mainstream argument though, or maybe that's a more recent thing with Sony threatening to go under and Microsoft silently falling to pieces in the last year.

My argument stems from the fact that there's basically no where for consoles to go from 7th gen. They will go into 8th gen, people will realize it's exactly the same shit, and either stick with their 7th gen console or just never show interest in a 9th. Sticking with the 7th genners means devs will smartly choose to continue to support them, which means that the 8th fails in the games department. Nintendo is the exception and might make a 9th gen console because the wii has so much room for improvement, but they alienated their core catering to a fickle casual demographic and they will be hurting 8th gen as well.

Not only is there no where for them to go technologically, but the features stepped to far into the PCs turf already. Consoles are already "PC-lite". They've backed themselves into the innovative corner where the only thing they can really do is become even more like a PC. Enter the steambox, which already is a PC and they can't hope to compete.

Ralen-Sharr:
gotta love those internet tough guys...

Hopefully things turn out well for the new console generation.

I doubt it as this generation will have things like smartphones and pads to contend with. The cost of making games on consoles has gotten insane and Extra Credits made a good argument that consoles will go the way of the video game arcade in "Consoles Are the New Coin-Op" with about two generations left before they simply cease to exist as a major player and become the modern day version of the Apple II--the undead thing that will not freaking die because of nostalgia.

Jim I hear you loud and clear, but that's because I'm sitting at my absolutely silent, water cooled, 8-core processor, multi screen, surround sound monster of a desktop set up that cost me about the same as two PS3s (release price ish.) So yeah, I don't understand console culture. My four year old laptop has 9 second loading screens for Fall out NV, whereas the Xbox 360 counterpart has 30 seconds give or take. Call that petty but do a little math, that's almost a 350% improvement just from the damn memory on A LAPTOP, never mind the graphic specs. And since pretty much every game I want on those consoles is offered on steam I'm good to go. The only sticking point for me is the Wii U. I have friends (strangely enough) and the Wii U is pretty freaking awesome with friends. Other then that, yeah its just as stupid as any other console. Why bother with the consumerism when you can build a computer and buy all your favorite games from a third party (very consumer friendly) service? I don't get it.

I caught up on this show with about four episodes in a row, and through the first two I just wanted to say stop buying all this crap if it pisses you off so much (not just you, but consumers who complain about DLC and such) and then you went and said it for me. F-ing brilliant!

Seriously, buy the good stuff if you like it and it's good, and don't buy the bad stuff if it sucks and it's bad. Never buy pre-order and don't do triple A when it first comes out. It's really the bottom line. Does Jim need to remind you to breathe too?

I found this interesting, and sums up my feeling on the Jimquisition in general. Nothing but half truths and all of his dtoid fans just take his word for it, instead of actually researching. He's doing this for the hits people....

"Notable industry figure Jim Sterling recently did a video on what he hated about the PlayStation Meeting. At one point, he said that he fully understood why the PS4 couldn't play PS3 disc games because they had to move away from The Cell, but that there was "no excuse" for why it couldn't play PS3 PSN games. Jim, they are developed on The Cell too, they're like disc games, but not on a disc. That's the excuse. He then said that the PS Vita can play PS3 PSN games, so the PS4 should be able to. Nope. They have to be ported, redeveloped. And it's easier to downscale visuals, than upscale. Come on, this is simple stuff that everyone knows, don't say stuff like: "The PS Vita can handle PSN content on a PS3", unless you actually mean they bought a PS Vita game and just happened to download it to the PS3. Which you didn't, you seem to think I can put Journey on my Vita and it'll run fine. The cross-play titles are not the same game, Jim."

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/26/daily-reaction-ps4-reveal-negativity-analyzed-trolls-or-truth/

There is some truth behind the mass negativity but we are ignoring the positive. How do you criticize a company for being too samey when they have promised 2 brand new IPs in Beyond and The Last of Us as well as at least 4 during that PS4 show? Pure trolling in my opinion.

FedericoV:

Crono1973:
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Most PC's don't have a GTX 670, 12 GB's of RAM and a quad core. Was the point of this post to brag about YOUR specs?

40% of PC gamers on Steam has a quadcore. They are A LOT and they are probably the most active part of the Steam player base. They are going to be more by the end of the year. Probably more than people with 2 core PCs (wich are 48% of the Steam player base).

Anyway for a PC gamer, an upgrade to the PC like mine for the GPU and RAM to a 3/4 year old CPU cost as much as a PS4 (if the rumors are to be believed). In 6 months, it will cost less. And the software (games) costs less too.

So the point of my post is pretty simple and I'm not bragging about my specs. A PC can change with relative ease: in 6 months most gaming PCs could be upgraded to perform equally or better than any "next-gen" console and you can save the cost thanks to Steam sales or other similar services.

So, your "most gaming PCs will perform worse than a PS4" is simply wrong, false and baseless. The point of console is not power or money. They are just more convenient for the living room and offer a different set of ergonomics.

Yeah, desktops are by far the cheapest and most modifiable gaming powerhouse (in the long run.) I got my 8 core processor on sale for $119 and don't even get me started on memory, they practically give it away. The graphics card is by far the most expensive part clocking in at about $500 for brand new off the shelf, but usually you can find a second gen one for about the price of a new console. Assuming its not a total overhaul and just an upgrade its much more affordable. Not to mention the arbitrary (but not discredited) amount of money you save by being savvy to steam sales. Plus at the end of the day a console is simply an entertainment system. You can't do any real work from a PS3 but I can do all my actual work from my desktop while playing games, or listening to music, or surfing the web, or watching videos.....did I mention its modifiable? :P

just like the mac, consoles can kiss my ass.

Since corporations are naturally risk averse and publishers by their very nature are larger and more people saying to avoid risk, expecting them to innovate and allow new IP to actually be born is an anomaly rather than the norm.

For better or worse, I believe the publisher model and the console model will be having a creative destruction period by 2015. What comes out will be the future until it too is rendered obsolete.

The future is likely going to be small studios with minimal overhead geared towards fulfilling the need for a niche product. For their size they will max out profits and fulfill a 2 year production cycle.

(Yes I am a Kickstarter fanatic.)

CapitalistPig:

Yeah, desktops are by far the cheapest and most modifiable gaming powerhouse (in the long run.) I got my 8 core processor on sale for $119 and don't even get me started on memory, they practically give it away. The graphics card is by far the most expensive part clocking in at about $500 for brand new off the shelf, but usually you can find a second gen one for about the price of a new console. Assuming its not a total overhaul and just an upgrade its much more affordable. Not to mention the arbitrary (but not discredited) amount of money you save by being savvy to steam sales. Plus at the end of the day a console is simply an entertainment system. You can't do any real work from a PS3 but I can do all my actual work from my desktop while playing games, or listening to music, or surfing the web, or watching videos.....did I mention its modifiable? :P

just like the mac, consoles can kiss my ass.

Imagine the 3rd gen APUs.

We will be 2nd gen in the summer.

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