Calling a Kid the "C" Word

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strumbore:
. If you question why taxpayers
should pay for people to have sex (contraceptives).

Ah, yes, because you can't have sex without contraceptives, everyone knows that.
If your joke is nonsensical and dumb, people are right to point that out.

Durgiun:

Eddie: Hey, Richie...
Richie: What is it Eddie?
Eddie: Can we say ''cunt''?
...
Richie: Very much not.
Eddie: Right you are... *ahem* CUUUUUUUUUNT!

And that, my friends, is how we deal when someone says we cannot say the word ''cunt''. Cunting fuck.

The issue is not about whether you can use the word, but whether using it is appropriate and if this joke was unintentionally offensive.

There is time and place for different kinds of language.

I can see why Onion would have to apologise on this.

If they meant the offense, and wanted to seriously say she is a cunt, then they have the right to. But if they made a joke that largely failed, making people take it as something it wasn't meant to be, it's their failure.

I get what they were trying to do. The amount of scrutiny female actors get during the Oscars is ridiculous (and then they get ridiculed for having shown their boobs) but Twitter really isn't a good place to get that kind of joke across and it just fell flat.

I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this one.

strumbore:
If you question why taxpayers
should pay for people to have sex (contraceptives), you're a combatant
in the War-on-Women. .

Just want to enlighten people (since it's Endometriosis awareness month) 1 in 20 women suffer from a disease called Endometriosis it's painful, sometimes crippling and if left untreated can turn into cancer. It's incurable and the only treatment is birth control. So some women asking for free birth control aren't looking for a fun time just relief from a horrific disease. Not to mention the whole pregnancy management aspect.

God, I love these forums sometimes. So many people talking about how they just fling out slurs left and right because they're just 2 EDGY 4 U!!!!! Also, all the people saying The Onion shouldn't have apologized are infringing on The Onion's right to free speech.

Moonlight Butterfly:
Just want to enlighten people (since it's Endometriosis awareness month) 1 in 20 women suffer from a disease called Endometriosis it's painful, sometimes crippling and if left untreated can turn into cancer. It's incurable and the only treatment is birth control. So some women asking for free birth control aren't looking for a fun time just relief from a horrific disease. Not to mention the whole pregnancy management aspect.

besides the very last thing, I like this person.
Just the facts.
and you know what?
I didn't know this.

I *assumed* there were health benefits of some
birth-control drugs, but really, I never thought
such drugs would be denied for that purpose.
Who would? Honestly and sincerely?

The reason people on the other side of the issue
get angry over about this is all they hear on tv
is idiots saying they need them SPECIFICALLY because
it's their "right" to have sex [without getting pregnant].
It's bizarre and infuriating because it diminishes
the importance of REAL, Natural Rights, which are
not whimsical demands forced on individuals by society,
but things society cannot infringe on:

Freedom of Speech.
Freedom of Religion.
Freedom of Enterprise.
Right to Property
Right to Bear Arms

Right to safe sex
(???)

sometimes, individuals need to be responsible for themselves.

Pay 7-11 the six bucks.

(I want to point out also, before **** starts flying,
that even Sandra Fluke acknowledged that the reason
her friends needed b.c. was medicinal, not recreational,
so I don't know how people can insist the latter reason
holds equal weight.)

strumbore:
SNIP

Granted I live in the UK but I've never heard any put it quite like that. Mostly it's women who want some control over their life. We give birth control free on the National Health Service (alongside sex education class) because it's preferable to having a massive population, spread of STD's(condoms), and unplanned and teenage pregnancies. People are going to have sex so why not encourage them to be responsible about it. The UK is decidedly more socialist than the US though.

That said most people buy condoms anyway because it's a pain to ask the doctor/ go to the clinic all the time. The pill is free but you have to see a GP for it.

I think it should be free because if you can't afford birth control you sure as hell can't afford a kid, but sex is free and people are stupid.

Moonlight Butterfly:
I think it should be free because if you can't afford birth control you sure as hell can't afford a kid, but sex is free and people are stupid.

I'm sorry, but in the United States we don't call
our citizens stupid and make laws to protect them
from themselves.
If people are too lazy to buy condoms and risk
spending 18 years raising kids they can't afford,
that says more about culture than it does about
government.

Could have done without the "SNIP" too,
no quote at all would have been fine.
I thought I was very polite towards your
opinion.

Control over society isn't the same as control over oneself.

strumbore:
snip

Most people write snip when they just want to answer people on this forum, it wasn't hostile ;p

The thing is the people who are too poor to buy birth control are the people who don't need unwanted pregnancies. That's pretty logical.

There is a difference between being realistic and practical and thinking every one is going to live all chastely until they want a baby. It's just not going to happen.

A similar thing would be not paying for a police force and expecting nobody to steal anything. Unfortunately it's human nature may as well head it off rather than deal with the consequences which will be infinitely more expensive. It's common sense.

Moonlight Butterfly:

strumbore:
snip

Most people write snip when they just want to answer people on this forum, it wasn't hostile ;p

ok, thank you for saying so.

No, it's not the same.
And I'm not talking abstinence.

NOBODY is too poor for six bucks of condoms.
Panhandlers make more than that in a day,
and if the women who can't afford condoms are panhandlers,
their priority shouldn't be sex, should it?

strumbore:

Moonlight Butterfly:

strumbore:
snip

Most people write snip when they just want to answer people on this forum, it wasn't hostile ;p

ok, thank you for saying so.

No, it's not the same.
And I'm not talking abstinence.

NOBODY is too poor for six bucks of condoms.
Panhandlers make more than that in a day,
and if the women who can't afford condoms are panhandlers,
their priority shouldn't be sex, should it?

There are plenty of people who don't have that sort of money to spend on luxuries because they need to buy food and pay the rent. When I was at university there were times I wouldn't have been able to afford the pill or condoms and I'm reasonably well off.

The pill lets women have more control over their lives. Telling them that they have to pay for birth control is like saying there is a tax on women alone. Maybe the government just likes making money on VAT on sanitary towels (as it views them as 'luxury' item which is a fucking joke)

Like that woman said if men could get pregnant there would be vending machines with bc in different flavours.

Moonlight Butterfly:
There are plenty of people who don't have that sort of money to spend on luxuries because they need to buy food and pay the rent. When I was at university there were times I wouldn't have been able to afford the pill or condoms and I'm reasonably well off.

I will respect that if you say so,
but if men are still gentlemen
they should bring the buns with the
hotdogs when they come to the bbq.

Moonlight Butterfly:
The pill lets women have more control over their lives.

You tried that one already.
It doesn't hold up.
Try something else.

Moonlight Butterfly:
Telling them that they have to pay for birth control is like saying there is a tax on women alone.

Tax (n):
(1) a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

people have to pay government for...women?
women have to pay the government to...have sex?
(funny, that goes right along with my criticism of the policy!)
try again.

Moonlight Butterfly:
Maybe the government just likes making money on VAT on sanitary towels (as it views them as 'luxury' item which is a fucking joke)

I don't even know what that means.

This is why everything you just said is ridiculous:

Natural Rights are based on rights
people inherently have by virtue of
existing.
They are meant to protected, not imposed.

"take it for me" isn't a right.
People weren't born with condoms,
healthcare, or textbooks. To say
anyone has a "right" to such things
is to say their creators have no
rights over their intellect, their
skill, or their production, as
society can seize it at any time.
People who created such things as
knowledge, medicine, and birth control
need to be justly compensated on mutual terms,
not government force.

It is baffling that you could be so
enraged that such a cheap commodity
isn't free. In the case of b.c. pills,
a better argument would be that they
shouldn't be prescription-only (if that
is the case, and if there are no risks)

Moonlight Butterfly:
Like that woman said if men could get pregnant there would be vending machines with bc in different flavours.

lol

strumbore:
snip

Sorry but when you have a discussion with someone you can't just dismiss what they say out of hand with no explanation of why it's wrong.

Women have more control over their lives with birth control because they can plan when they are going to get pregnant so they can manage their career and what they are going to do. If you don't get that I don't know what to say to you.

If it's so cheap why is it such a problem to provide it free. ;) It's says a lot that you don't even know that the government charges tax on tampons and sanitary pads for women because it views them as a luxury when in reality they are a necessity.

You also don't seem to know that the government actually pays the makers of the birth control in lieu of the people. They just don't get them to give it to people for free...

Maybe you should go away and learn some facts about what you are talking about before you get into a discussion about it hmm.

As for birth control being a human right? I think it should be, especially for women.

Looks like the UN agrees with me

http://www.policymic.com/articles/19272/un-declares-birth-control-a-human-right-and-america-falls-short

Moonlight Butterfly:

strumbore:
snip

Sorry but when you have a discussion with someone you can't just dismiss what they say out of hand with no explanation of why it's wrong.

strumbore:

This is ***WHY*** everything you just said is ridiculous:

Natural Rights are based on rights
people inherently have by virtue of
existing.
They are meant to protected, not imposed.

"take it for me" isn't a right.
People weren't born with condoms,
healthcare, or textbooks. To say
anyone has a "right" to such things
is to say their creators have no
rights over their intellect, their
skill, or their production, as
society can seize it at any time.
People who created such things as
knowledge, medicine, and birth control
need to be justly compensated on mutual terms,
not government force.

government shouldn't have to pay for any of it.
Good for the UK.

strumbore:
snip

And I just explained why not of that is relevant since the makers of birth control get paid. It would do you good to read that article I linked.

A quote

"Studies have shown that investing in family planning helps reduce poverty, improve health, promote gender equality, enable adolescents to finish their schooling, and increase labourforce participation.

When a woman is able to exercise her reproductive rights, she is more able to benefit from her other rights, such as the right to education. The results are higher incomes, better health for her and her children and greater decision-making power for her, both in the household and the community."

The UN is the United Nations... /facepalm.

Moonlight Butterfly:
A quote

"Studies have shown that investing in family planning helps reduce poverty, improve health, promote gender equality, enable adolescents to finish their schooling, and increase labourforce participation.

I emphatically agree with this.
Family planning is essential to building a life
that can be supportive and fulfilling not just
to oneself, but to one's loved ones.
That's why I think men and women should go 50-50
on the condoms. three bucks. They can check under
the couch.

Moonlight Butterfly:
When a woman is able to exercise her reproductive rights,

*groan...* there's some newspeak
reeking with irony:
It IS a right, but it's been
re-defined by activists as something
society imposes on individuals!

Moonlight Butterfly:
she is more able to benefit from her other rights, such as the right to education. The results are higher incomes, better health for her and her children and greater decision-making power for her, both in the household and the community."

Isn't this the same argument?

alright, I'm shutting down after this.
Education isn't a right. It's a service.
PURSUIT of education is a right. Only
intrinsic values can be rights,
yet somehow liberals come up with BRAND
SPANKING NEW ONES! all the time that no one
has thought of before.
They seem to be in good supply.

Moonlight Butterfly:
The UN is the United Nations... /facepalm.

I misread UN as UK.
here's what I meant to say:

Good for the UN.
Glad we could clear that up.

strumbore:
snip

No offence but it seems like you are shut down already.

Birth control affects the right to pursue education. If a woman is pregnant all the time and looking after children I doubt she has time to educate herself.

Not everyone has money down the sides of the couch. I know you might life in a privileged position where that is the case but some people don't.

'When a woman is able to exercise her reproductive rights' Is not 'newspeak' as you put it. And yes human rights are imposed by society on individuals unless you are okay with the slave trade starting up again because it's the decision of an individual?

Again if it's so cheap why is it such a problem for the government to provide it?

If it helps your right wing upbringing any this is also from the report.

"Addressing the unmet need for family planning worldwide would avert 54 million unintended pregnancies and result in 26 million fewer abortions," the report says. "Research also shows that where family planning supplies, information and services are widely available, abortion rates are lower."

Anyway I think I've derailed this topic enough.

Why is "cunt" suddenly such a big anti-feminist word? This is the first time I've ever heard it being associated with feminism. Then again, I don't see "dick" being equally as hostile towards men. I guess we're just programmed that way.

If you have ever played on Xboxlive you know that even 9 year old kids can be cunts.

Being an uncultured Aussie bogan lower class white trash hipster university student, the word 'cunt' get thrown around a lot by my company and myself.

Whilst to me cunt~dick~asshole=Not a nice person, when used to describe a person, it can also mean (to me) damn, fuck, etc as in "to bad that happened" (but in shorter more satisfying word, mostly just uttered so only I can possibly hear it...). It can also be used by some (dumb) people as a degrading terms, witch I often answer, "nah sorry I'm a dick..."
It is however wrong to (publicly) call a 9y old a cunt publicly, it might be a bit less sever if it's uttered in a comedy club (etc) probably still not going to be "good" jokes, or ok with feminists.
But when it comes to (extreme) feminists, I kinda thought about it and then decided I won't say sorry for being born (and still having it hanging in the right place..) with a dick...

I can however say I've met 5y olds that are utter c*nts, but that is (up to ~99,99%, margin of error y'know..) not their fault it's either some kind of psychological disorder (like autism) or just bad parenting... Mostly it's bad parenting skills, or even worse the total absence of caring parent... (especially when it comes to kids choice of vocabulary, that's almost always parents and surrounding..)

But I don't call them c*nts for that mostly I just call the parents assholes, in "the heat of the moment"...
And if I keep on caring "always look on the bright side of life.." and smile because someone might get annoyed enough for it to be worth the smile...

The fact that an apology was almost immediately made and the person who made the comment was fired almost immediately by a company that promotes itself based on satire and thus often makes controversial statements speaks too the enormity of the inappropriateness shown in making that comment.

Ah some day I'll live in a world without all this ridiculous white knighting and outrage over a word. Actually, scratch that, no I probably won't. Maybe my kids will. Because I'm going to teach them that words are just that, words, and not weapons to inflict harm. And as such, shouldn't ever be taken as injury either.

Maybe I'm a rare breed, but I somehow doubt that, considering comedian Louis C.K. has an entire bit about how the words cunt and faggot shouldn't have any gender relation to their usage. If someone called me a cunt in a playful manner, I wouldn't take offense, and if they called me it in a manner meant to hurt, I'd just instead take it as "Never listen to anything I have to say." I guess I'm just more evolved.

Tismo:
If you have ever played on Xboxlive you know that even 9 year old kids can be cunts.

Exactly my point, but again, I will do it only if they play the part. Otherwise, someone is going to have to read my shirt. It's actually quite offensive (if you're over 90, and had your sense of humor shot off in one war or another).

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