Escape to the Movies: Spring Breakers

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daibakuha:

Father Time:

Why would I need the background in film to have a different opinion?

You need it spelled out? Fine, I question his choice and his qualification to speak for others.

You don't, you need background to qualify your opinion.

I need to have a background to be skeptical of Bob?

daibakuha:

Why should anyone take you seriously? You are some random internet guy.

So is Bob, so are you.

daibakuha:

Why should anyone take what you have to say over the other dozen morons posting in this thread? On top of that you need actual facts to back those opinions.

What movie 'defines a generation' is pretty subjective, so to say you need facts to back up taste is really stupid.

So basically the director is trying to catch teens who go to see this movie unaware, and teach them that "partying too hard is bad, mkay?". Uh... Good for him? I have zero interest in both the theme and the message, so I think I'll pass.

Father Time:

daibakuha:

Father Time:

Why would I need the background in film to have a different opinion?

You need it spelled out? Fine, I question his choice and his qualification to speak for others.

You don't, you need background to qualify your opinion.

I need to have a background to be skeptical of Bob?

daibakuha:

Why should anyone take you seriously? You are some random internet guy.

So is Bob, so are you.

daibakuha:

Why should anyone take what you have to say over the other dozen morons posting in this thread? On top of that you need actual facts to back those opinions.

What movie 'defines a generation' is pretty subjective, so to say you need facts to back up taste is really stupid.

You need it to be taken any more seriously than anyone else.

Bob does have more sway here, he has an audience. You don't. I never said I was anything more important than I am.

and lastly the only way someone's subjective opinion can be wrong is by false information. Which is why arguments are always supported by facts and not opinions.

The fact remains that you haven't seen the movie and therefor can not say for certain whether or not Bob is in the right or the wrong.

Wait, wait, wait,wait,wait: who THE FUCK names a boy Harmony?!

Back to the review: very intriguing review, Bob, and as soon as you said "Existential", you were in full film-snob mode. I'm kind of on-the-fence about Spring Breakers.

So ponies have reached the point where they're divisive enough to decide a person's opinion for them. Most of the people in this thread are ignoring everything abou this movie in favour of ponies.

The real question is are the ponies drug induced or not?

I'm sorry, Bob, but I can't go see this movie, not after the Spill Crew's review. They say that there is virtually no plot or characters in the film, and that it's a film which tries to tell the viewer that what it's portraying is wrong, even though what it's portraying is shot like porn:

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/spring-breakers-audio-review

DVS BSTrD:
I was really worried that this was going to be another The Grey fiasco, until he mentioned... those.

The Grey was a fiasco?

How so?

daibakuha:

Bob does have more sway here, he has an audience. You don't.

So? Being popular doesn't make you any more right.

daibakuha:

and lastly the only way someone's subjective opinion can be wrong is by false information. Which is why arguments are always supported by facts and not opinions.

My opinion is is that Bob cannot speak for what defines a generation that he's not a part of, no matter how many freaking movies he's watched. Bob is not part of that generation so that's all the facts I need. You haven't exactly been making good counters to that.

Monsterfurby:
Shouldn't that be Generation Z already? Millenials (GenY) didn't grow up with Hannah Montana and stuff. Millenials/Ys are the Sarcastic Brony generation. GenZ is the "raised by Facebook and Disney DVDs" generation.

"Generations" are really just crude generalizations of social trends. I mean, depending on who you ask generation X can cover anyone born from the mid-to-late 60s up to the end of the 20th century. It's not so much a literal generation as a simplified description of social and cultural trends. The defining feature is not so much a particular pop-culture niche but overall attitude. Drawing on the Strauss-Howe model a bit here, but:

The baby-boomers sought to separate themselves from the second world war and were thus marked by trends like social activism, political engagement and participation in the counterculture.

Generation X grew up during the counterculture, when society and its institutions were being openly questioned. Thus, they were marked by deep uncertainty, political apathy and lack of social engagement.

Generation Y (millennials) grew up long after the idealism of the counterculture had run its course and when the world was becoming increasing pragmatic and aspiration had largely replaced idealism. They are marked by high expectations, personal confidence, and social optimism.

Generation Z has been theorized, but they aren't really a social force yet. That would cover people who grew up surrounded by concerns over the current economic crisis, the war on terror and so forth. Going by the Strauss-Howe model, they are likely to emerge as quiet conformists with a strong sense of social rather than individual identity (much like the Silent Generation who were born and grew up in the inter-war years).

The idea here is that each generation's values will tend to be a reaction to the values of those which are currently socially dominant (i.e. possessed by the previous generation or two).

It's an interesting system, but I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Bob,

The fact that you mentioned there is an MLP reference in this film made me drop this off my list faster than rancid badger vomit containing swine flu, mad cow disease, H5N1, TB and the ebola virus.

So in short, this might be a good movie, but no thanks.

Also, the idea of spring break has absolutely no significance outside of the USA (which is where I am). We usually see it as a time where Americans have an excuse to act even more retarded than they usually do.

Xman490:
Wow, 2 hours in and there are already over 60 comments? I bet they're about confusion regarding what makes this movie so special that Bob and other critics find it at least intriguing; I guess it has to be seen to be believed.

*checks comments* Really, guys? A large fraction of you care about the reference of MLP:FIM in this? Hasn't the fandom sorta died down?

Actually, if google trends means anything(it's not exactly a census), it's only gotten more popular.

Btw, I'm loving everyone here who are furious that any movie would include a cartoon show they don't like instead of, you know, judging it on what it is actually focusing on. I mean, really guys? From what I've read, there's just shots of them watching the show in the background of some scenes. That's it. Fucking calm yourselves.

knight steel:

daibakuha:

knight steel:

I'm part of generation Y [born in 1994] However as a extremely awkward loner I never really got into the whole teenage party thing [in all my life I have only been to one event that could be considered a "party"] and really hated the jock/cheerleaders growing up,so my question to you mister moviebob: Will I still be able to get/understand/like this movie.

You don't have to have lived this life in order to understand the movie. I seriously doubt Bob did, and he understood it just fine.

Hmmm maybe.......but just maybe.....BOB actual did live this type of life O_O

I would agree, I spent a lot of time watching (and enjoying some of) the films of the previous generations although I'm technically Y generation, as I a child of the early 90s. Also I suppose there is an established stereotype or idea of the sort of spring break perpetuated in media that means although I'm from England and we don't have quite the same thing I understand to an extent where I can still watch the movie without detailed exposition. However if movie bob lived this kind of life I would be curious to know more.

Worse case scenario you see a movie you don't enjoy all that much but it can't be any worse than Timecop =]

MacNille:
Oh fuck, there are poines in it? I don't want them fucking everywhere.

Somehow I don't think they're going to be an integral part of the film.

JenSeven:
The fact that you mentioned there is an MLP reference in this film made me drop this off my list faster than rancid badger vomit containing swine flu, mad cow disease, H5N1, TB and the ebola virus.

So in short, this might be a good movie, but no thanks.

I don't like smoking, but you don't see me Zero Dark Thirty any film that shows it.

Yeaaahhhh...I...know what trash humpers is about...I've learned a little about Harmony Korine too...no. I don't trust Harmony Korine behind a camera and I don't see how any movie company can trust Korine with their money.

I don't know, haven't seen the movie, Harmony could have grown up a bit, but from all I know of the man he's pretenious idiot with his own head up his ass. So I simply can't see the value in his work.

I feel like there should have been some sort of spoiler warning in this review at some point

Monsterfurby:
Also: Shouldn't that be Generation Z already? Millenials (GenY) didn't grow up with Hannah Montana and stuff. Millenials/Ys are the Sarcastic Brony generation. GenZ is the "raised by Facebook and Disney DVDs" generation.

As an '85 Sarcastic Brony... what the hell am I?!
Label me! Dear God someone label me!

RatherDull:

DVS BSTrD:
I was really worried that this was going to be another The Grey fiasco, until he mentioned... those.

The Grey was a fiasco?

How so?

Did you watch his Review of that?

Jack_in_the_green:
Well, it's not a surprise Movie Bob did find also "Suckerpunch" to be a "great" movie.... So desperately trying to find any substance when there is none, it's reeaally pathetic.

Robot Number V:
Sorry Bob, but that sounds pretentious as FUCK. And this wouldn't be the first time you went nuts over a movie that turned out to be a near miss for me. Sometimes you kind of....ignore a film's problems if you really like the idea they were GOING FOR, even if they didn't quite pull it off. (Sucker Punch, Daybreakers, and Splice, for example.) I have a pretty strong feeling that this is one of those.
Oh, and obligatory "In my opinion" statement. Although the fact that everything I just said is my opinion should really just be assumed.

Like all those reviewers praising "Spec Ops: The Line" for its story.
After all, it's really just a mediocre 3rd person shooter where the evil American Empire strikes again against brown people.

Nope. Nothing deeper than that.

;)

I don't think the ponies are there for a shameless cash-grab, maybe they are, but as Bob describes the movie, maybe one of the girls has something pony related in her belongings, you know, because it originally was intended to be a girls cartoon* and somehow I think it represents their sudden maturity from ponies to, well, reality itself.

*brony here, don't get mad at me.

I have never had the words 'there are ponies in it' invoke a legitimate feeling of dread before, now I just gotta see this thing.

I don't care if the film speaks about my or the generation that's next. I hate both because they are insubstancial as fuck, so even as deeply meningful as the film might try to be i'm going to hate it for it's message that is nowhere near directed at me and that the target audience will ignore and the subject matter who i also have interest about.

I might see it, but i will avoid it as much as i can.

Xman490:
Wow, 2 hours in and there are already over 60 comments? I bet they're about confusion regarding what makes this movie so special that Bob and other critics find it at least intriguing; I guess it has to be seen to be believed.

*checks comments* Really, guys? A large fraction of you care about the reference of MLP:FIM in this? Hasn't the fandom sorta died down?

Died down? Not really, In between seasons 3 and 4. Waiting it out and making content/doing charities like we always have. Just less vocal minorities fighting it out with half-ass opinions and poorly written/voiced words as it should be. Even if it helped with the fan base's growth, it is not something to be proud to look back too...for both sides.

lesterley:
So, is this movie going to make ANY sense to a 46-year-old GenX-er like myself? Because I'm still trying to understand the appeal of Napoleon Dynamite.

Leslee! I thought I might be the oldest person here at The Escapist at age 44. I thought I was definitely the oldest Texan that still actively games and produces dopey humorous game-related content for the internet. Now all I have is my appreciation for Napoleon Dynamite. Way to kill my dreams.

Xman490:
Wow, 2 hours in and there are already over 60 comments? I bet they're about confusion regarding what makes this movie so special that Bob and other critics find it at least intriguing; I guess it has to be seen to be believed.

*checks comments* Really, guys? A large fraction of you care about the reference of MLP:FIM in this? Hasn't the fandom sorta died down?

I don't like to keep tabs on what the majority of the fandom does, as I don't really care. I can only answer for myself, this movie about dudebro spring break debauchery is the last place I'd expect to find anything having to do with MLP, thus I am intrigued. It just added one more reason to maybe check out the movie, and I always like watching these things to see what exactly may be there to make it "deep".

DVS BSTrD:

RatherDull:

DVS BSTrD:
I was really worried that this was going to be another The Grey fiasco, until he mentioned... those.

The Grey was a fiasco?

How so?

Did you watch his Review of that?

I did. I remember he liked it but fiasco isn't the word I'd use to describe that.

Tanis:

Jack_in_the_green:
Well, it's not a surprise Movie Bob did find also "Suckerpunch" to be a "great" movie.... So desperately trying to find any substance when there is none, it's reeaally pathetic.

Robot Number V:
Sorry Bob, but that sounds pretentious as FUCK. And this wouldn't be the first time you went nuts over a movie that turned out to be a near miss for me. Sometimes you kind of....ignore a film's problems if you really like the idea they were GOING FOR, even if they didn't quite pull it off. (Sucker Punch, Daybreakers, and Splice, for example.) I have a pretty strong feeling that this is one of those.
Oh, and obligatory "In my opinion" statement. Although the fact that everything I just said is my opinion should really just be assumed.

Like all those reviewers praising "Spec Ops: The Line" for its story.
After all, it's really just a mediocre 3rd person shooter where the evil American Empire strikes again against brown people.

Nope. Nothing deeper than that.

;)

Well actually, I think Spec OPs had some pretty serious problems as well, but that's a different discussion. Look, I saw Sucker Punch. I thought it did a lot of things surprisingly well, and I thought it had a lot of problems. I also think it didn't quite succeed in what it set out to do (according to Bob, anyway). Just because a movie (or game or what have you) is deeper then it first appears, that doesn't somehow make it impervious to criticism. Obviously a lot of people saw Sucker Punch, totally the missed the point, and passed it off as a shallow, teenage boy-pandering action-porno. But I got the point, and I still think it had some pretty serious problems. In short, "You just didn't get it" is NOT a valid response to any criticism leveled at the movie. Or game, as the case may be. Hell, even Bob said as much in his Sucker Punch analysis.

What's funny is that Bob said this movie would blow my mind.. what really blew my mind was the fact the ponies from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are involved. Never imagined them being in a movie like this; want to see it now just for that very thing alone.

However I want to also see it because it's unique. I'm an artist and I get meanings quite well in movies (unless they're to complex or to much where it's sickening then I simply turn the movie off). But yeah, will give this a go and put my thoughts together overall.

Your review was linked on Equestria Daily for the Spring Breakers pony reference Bob.

You guys might want to prepare for a few more of us than usual. You've been warned =P.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/03/ponies-invade-painkillers-ad-spring.html

Tanis:

Jack_in_the_green:
Well, it's not a surprise Movie Bob did find also "Suckerpunch" to be a "great" movie.... So desperately trying to find any substance when there is none, it's reeaally pathetic.

Robot Number V:
Sorry Bob, but that sounds pretentious as FUCK. And this wouldn't be the first time you went nuts over a movie that turned out to be a near miss for me. Sometimes you kind of....ignore a film's problems if you really like the idea they were GOING FOR, even if they didn't quite pull it off. (Sucker Punch, Daybreakers, and Splice, for example.) I have a pretty strong feeling that this is one of those.
Oh, and obligatory "In my opinion" statement. Although the fact that everything I just said is my opinion should really just be assumed.

Like all those reviewers praising "Spec Ops: The Line" for its story.
After all, it's really just a mediocre 3rd person shooter where the evil American Empire strikes again against brown people.

Nope. Nothing deeper than that.

;)

Guys, guys

I have a crazy theory.

What if...

movies and games....

are about things?

There is just something about this that screams don't go to me. All the deep ideas the Bob goes on about I just don't see in the trailers or even his description. I was born in 84, I had no teenage years, no spring break and little time before getting a job and an adult life. Nothing about the pretty/rich people interest me in the smallest way.

Chessrook44:
[Insert Fry-Eye-Narrowing-Picture here]
"Not sure if serious... or trolling..."

I'm sure you mean this:
image

And I'm with you on that one Chess, considering that Bob just pretty much spelled out the whole movie for us; 4 whores (and im using that term literally) rob a store, go to florida, get caught up in hookering and drugs, all while not changing his tone. But truth be told this movie looks like gabaj (garbage but it sounds funny when you say it out loud) especially with the fact that its filled with dubstep. It honestly reminds me of that one chick from "Forest Gump" who spent the majority of the movie bein a slut and smokin crack, only where that had a reason for being and was tragic as hell, this is just "oh hey lets write these chicks as whores cause people like that". If people really feel the need to see this kind of movie, watch "Almost Famous" and have dubstep blasting on a pair of headphones.

I'm confused, to say the least.

First, I've never heard of this movie. Is it M-Rated or some Disney-Channel spin-off?
Do I want to watch people party, have sex and rob banks?
What's Generation Y and why should it matter to me?
Isn't Spring Break just summer holiday?
Why mention ponies, to they have an important role?
I also don't recognize any of the "classics" he mentioned.

Xman490:
Wow, 2 hours in and there are already over 60 comments? I bet they're about confusion regarding what makes this movie so special that Bob and other critics find it at least intriguing; I guess it has to be seen to be believed.

*checks comments* Really, guys? A large fraction of you care about the reference of MLP:FIM in this? Hasn't the fandom sorta died down?

Not really. If anything it's only getting stronger as time goes on. Bronies are nothing if not dedicated.

Have to say, I'm very shocked that this turned out to be good. After seeing the ads on YouTube I was expecting this to a big pile of teenager vomit, so the revelation that it actually has something to offer is strange indeed. Still don't think I'll see it though - the promise of ponies makes it far more appealing, but I'm still not sure it's my kind of movie.

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