Jimquisition: Bullshit in Sheep's Clothing

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Uriel-238:
This thing that Gibeau is saying does present some interesting legal implications. Here in the US the anti-circumvention clause of the DMCA makes it illegal for us to crack DRM even for non-infringing purposes. If Gibeau's statement is EA's official position, that the persistent-online-connection is not a DRM implementation, it may make it legal and acceptable for someone to mod Sim City by eliminating the always-online requirement and creating a localized game-save system.

Similarly, that may mean it's possible to bypass the payement parts of microtransactions and on-disc DLC, if those are retermed as features i.e. for the benefit of the user, and not DRM protected extras. In that case, it would be acceptable (even encouraged) to mod easy access on the basis that the user-experience is being improved.

238U

Interesting point. If you are correct and their insistence that it's not DRM means this is allowed, EA are going to have an interesting time trying to prevent people cracking their games.

Not that they were ever successful at that to begin with.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the original batch of videos, but they got quite better and more savvy as time went by.

On topic, I find it amusing that all game companies exist to make money, and are out to make money... it's just that a company like Valve is so sly, talented, and generous about it, doing it in ways that genuinely do make people feel like they got a good deal out of it, while EA, trying to do the same thing, seems to just have zero idea of what "good public relations" are.

They're like David Cage and "emotions" or Capcom and "DLC"; they think they know what they are but have no clue in reality what they're talking about. EA thinks they understand what Valve does with Steam and they try and replicate them, but they just have zero grasp of what people actually like about it or how they relate to it.

Frank_Sinatra_:
"He's like MovieBob, but shit."

Uh-huh... I'd rather watch your earlier episodes than anything Bob puts out, especially when Bob tries to talk about video games. I'm sorry, but I really don't like Bob's stuff. Period.

Quoted For Identical Opinion

For example, I didn't really like FPS before I played STALKER like a year ago, but Bob's old video "Worst Person" still irritated me tremendously back when it was new. I felt nothing strong for or against the genre back then, yet it still felt like someone was pouring liquid condescension in my ears

I was one of those haters at first, but I gave it another shot later and now I think the show is swell! Keep it up Jimmy boy.

I stood at attention the video throughout in celebration. Congratulations!

The Jimquisition is here to stay, indeed. And well worth of that. I never thought I'd say it when I did, but... Thank God for Jim!

I was a former hater, I just didn't enjoy watching your earlier videos. But saw you touch on a few topics i cared about and been watching these ever since.

Good job Jim and keep up the good work :D

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
I don't blame publishers/devs for the BS drm or other terrible "features" I blame consumers, if consumers actually cared publishers would stop. Look at SimCity, if everyone had demanded refunds and refused to rebuy it until EA added in offline play, fixed glaring issues, apologized, etc EA would have done it. But they were still able to sell 1.1 million copies so why should they care? Why should they care when they're going to make a lot more from DLC? Why should any publisher care what the consumer thinks if they're still making huge amounts of cash? The answer is they shouldn't and they won't, if consumers really do hate their practices then the consumers need to change which will force publishers to change.

Wait. So you blame consumers because consumers aren't blaming publishers...yet you too don't blame publishers.

I didn't like the first Jimquisition videos that were shown here on the Escapist, as well. But slowly and surely, as i kept on watching them, they got better. And now, I dare say it's the show here on the Escapist that i want to see the most. It gives me laughs and makes me think. Great stuff indeed. And 100 episodes went by pretty darn fast. Keep up the awesome work, Jim!

My story's like a lot of others. Didn't like it, gave up on it, gave it another try later on. (Specifically after Jim's comments during the Extra Credits fiasco made me think I should give him another shot.) Been watching it since.

Not gonna archive binge, though.:)

The best episodes are the ones about anti-consumer practices in the industry. I'll take this opportunity to say that I quit watching Zero Punctuation a long time ago but I don't really know why, just sort of lost interest.

Congrats, Jim. First found you a few years ago, on the Jimquisition you had on youtube, the one where you had no character at all. Your videos were great them, and I was trying to convince people to give you a chance once you came here. I'm glad most people did, and I bet they are as well. You certainly have earned the popularity that you have here.

You had a rough start, Jim, but I supported you from the beginning. Congrats on your 100th and thank god for you!

I too thought your first video was a stinky pile of shit, but you listened to criticism (or just guessed and got it right) and made a terrific show in the end, Jim.

As one of the many who watched one of the first Escapist episodes of the Jimquisition, hated it, and then came back, I'm glad you've done something that many game publishers haven't... listened to audience feedback and made a better product. ^_^

Honestly, the episode that brought me back was the "Rape vs. Murder" episode on 6/25/12. I saw it on the previews while watching another video so I decided to check it out since it was on a very touchy subject. It ended up being amazing and I've been watching each episode since. So thank you for the continued entertainment, Jim. Here's to another 100!

I actually forgot why I didn't like his first 2 or 3 videos. Some replies say they were just bad in general. I forgot specifics. Were they badly written? Acted? Content nobody cared about?

Still, I watch him every week now. They're great!

As always I give people time to ascend first impressions. You did just that.

What is this, the 1920's where the only things you can do is wear a bowler hat and stand in front of a podium pontificating on the evils of the games industry?

Congrats Jim on making it to 100 episodes, I'm one of those that was initially turned off by the show but then came back later when the subject matter interested me and now watch every week. Also, the Jimquistion helped me get into listening to Podtoid.

I was one of those people that was a bit cynical at first. More from watching so many bad videos online. (And this site in fairness) But once I liked Jim I really liked him. Aside from his love of Deadly Premonition that won me over, he always seemed an honest and decent guy who never shits on a game for the hell of it and is passionate about games which means I trust his opinion. If Zero Punctuation is the balls and MovieBob is the brains. Then Jim is certainly the heart. Even when I disagree I always respect where he is coming from and it's usually a good place. Not a fanboy, not gushing but very happy for a guy who works hard and listens to feedback from people to do well. I have a lot of respect for that.

at EA's bullshit line: "You don't demand offline in an MMO"

Er... Yes, yes I fucking do, douchebag, and in MORPGs as well (among others). It's why I run my own servers: Because Blizz and the rest don't boot people who've no business being there. Diablo 1&2 and PSO say hi, motherfucker. Every private server group out there, be it keeping old games alive (Schthack shoutout!), keeping old patches/content as endgame (Older WoW private servers, for the "They changed it now it sucks, I'm going back to *my* game" crew), or anything else that players can't do in retail copies... yes, I do demand offline, and control of the content I'm paying for. And ya know what? So do many other groups, like the SC groups who want LAN support and clone support, like people who mod fighters to fix problems that the devs didn't (Brawl immediately comes to mind, and while I don't particularly think that the anti-roll-glitch CvSNK2 crowd had it right, I do think that modding the game to fix the problem is a very neat solution, because it creates a game for those who like it), and like people who just genuinely enjoy getting into the guys of their games.

Go fuck yourself, EA. You've been in the shit-book for entirely too long, considering how awesome you used to be, and you're not earning any points shitting where you eat.

So if EA can change words and give them new definitions, I can too:

Piracy is just obtaining an "extended trial version", where gamers have the "option" to unlock the "ultimate edition" by being generous and pay for it.

Remember that Old EA sayin'

I was a hater to start with. "Who is this man, with his fake, egotistical bullshit?", I thought.

Then I saw "Fight in the Name of Childishness" and I actually got it.

Since then, you've been one of my favourite shows. I think I actually like Jimquisition more than ZP these days.

Happy Centennial, here's to one hundred more.

Is it just me, or did Jim say online when he meant to say offline at the ~3:00 mark?

I remember wanting to give the show exactly 5 episodes before I gave up on it, and the 5th episode was the first one I liked. It just made it in terms of my viewership and now I look forward to it. It's nice when things work out that way. Congratulations on not going the way of Game Dogs.

Congrats on reaching the 100 mark.
Much respect for doing that thankyou speech at the end.

LOL. So many people saying the same thing. Well I'm no different. My oppinion was initially a very hostile 'Who exactly does this arrogant jackass think he is?' and is now. 'Where would I be without this smashing young fellow?' Guess it goes to show if you improve and do good work eventually people will take note. Awesome show Jim, and killer suit.

"Nobody expects the Jimquisition!"

quote from an old TV classic for new Internet classic

mjc0961:
You're damn right SimCity is not an MMO and it's just more DRM. The sad part is that EA didn't even have to think this one up on their own, people were offering this defense on EA's behalf for them long before EA ever came right out and used it. I really don't get people sometimes, going so far out of their way to defend companies that don't care about their loyalty in any way and are only looking to fuck them up the bum as hard as possible.

Anyway, congrats on 100 episodes. Here's to 100 more!

Uriel-238:
This thing that Gibeau is saying does present some interesting legal implications. Here in the US the anti-circumvention clause of the DMCA makes it illegal for us to crack DRM even for non-infringing purposes. If Gibeau's statement is EA's official position, that the persistent-online-connection is not a DRM implementation, it may make it legal and acceptable for someone to mod Sim City by eliminating the always-online requirement and creating a localized game-save system.

Similarly, that may mean it's possible to bypass the payement parts of microtransactions and on-disc DLC, if those are retermed as features i.e. for the benefit of the user, and not DRM protected extras. In that case, it would be acceptable (even encouraged) to mod easy access on the basis that the user-experience is being improved.

Ooh, I like this idea. EA would either have to admit that it is intended as DRM (which we all know very well it is) in order to put up a legal fight against it, or be stuck on the receiving end of a buttfucking for a chance because they don't want even more bad PR from doing the former.

Would that mean that is it perfectly legal to crack Wow and make single-player mod? Cus I don't think you can legally do that, and World of Warcraft is a legitimate MMO

That "thank you" ending was god damn classy.

Again, I was one of those people that hated the first few episodes, but looks like you managed to tailor it to the kind of audience on the escapist.

...

That or we built up an immunity to it.

Congratulations, Jim, for the hundredth episode, improving the show, and improving yourself. I'm an avid watcher of your show and thank God for you! Have a glorious day!

Aitamen:
at EA's bullshit line: "You don't demand offline in an MMO"

Er... Yes, yes I fucking do, douchebag, and in MORPGs as well (among others). It's why I run my own servers: Because Blizz and the rest don't boot people who've no business being there. Diablo 1&2 and PSO say hi, motherfucker. Every private server group out there, be it keeping old games alive (Schthack shoutout!), keeping old patches/content as endgame (Older WoW private servers, for the "They changed it now it sucks, I'm going back to *my* game" crew), or anything else that players can't do in retail copies... yes, I do demand offline, and control of the content I'm paying for. And ya know what? So do many other groups, like the SC groups who want LAN support and clone support, like people who mod fighters to fix problems that the devs didn't (Brawl immediately comes to mind, and while I don't particularly think that the anti-roll-glitch CvSNK2 crowd had it right, I do think that modding the game to fix the problem is a very neat solution, because it creates a game for those who like it), and like people who just genuinely enjoy getting into the guys of their games.

Go fuck yourself, EA. You've been in the shit-book for entirely too long, considering how awesome you used to be, and you're not earning any points shitting where you eat.

Hold it... there are swarms of people that want to play World of Warcraft offline?

Look, its bullshit to call SimCity an MMO (the two Ms stand for "Massive" and "Multiplayer", conditions that SimCity does not satisfy). I also thought Blizzard doing its real money auction house experiment with Diablo was kinda dumb (again, Diablo is not Massive and Multiplayer) I also have no issues with the modding community or private servers for games like WoW.

Where I'm arguing is the idea that people would want to play a massive multiplayer online game offline. EA can say "You don't demand offline in an MMO" because no one demands offline in an MMO.

I know they were demanding it for Diablo 3, but Diablo 3 wasn't an MMO: it was multiplayer sure (optional, but it was there), but it wasn't massive (no sharded worlds and the like), and any connectivity required outside the multiplayer modes would not be necessary. There were no raids or houses, you are not sharing a world with other players, there are no guilds and wars etc. Therefore being forced to play the game online in single player is bullshit.

It also makes sense to demand offline mode in SimCity (ironically enough) for all the same reasons stated: while arguably it is a massive game with a lot going on under the hood, it is not a multiplayer game. Therefore calling it an MMO is bullshit trying to hide the fact they use DRM. Frankly it insults my intelligence that they would think this would work (or are gamers too stupid to know what 'MMO' even stands for?)

However, are there people who want to play Age or Conan or Tera offline? Really? I can see wanting private servers (so wannabe devs could mod the game for their friends and shit, I can totally see that, or if they feel the hired mods don't do a good enough job keeping jack-asses off the server), but an offline mod in World of Warcraft? Why would you want to play an honest-to-god MMO by yourself or in a lan-party situation? Doesn't it sound like its defeating the purpose of an MMO? It would be one of those moments that has me questioning whether I actually like what I'm playing.

congratulations for the 100 episodes

Congrats on 100 episodes Jim!

Going to miss the Jesters of the Moon music, but that's okay. :P

Thanks for sticking around Jim.

Congrats on the 100th episode!
I wonder how many more "MMOs" EA are going to be making now.

I freaking love Danny B. I'm so glad he gave you music to use.

I'm also one of those people who saw the first few episodes of Jimquisition and absolutely despised the fact that the Escapist even hosted the show. Several weeks later, I gave it another shot, and it has since grown to be one of my favorite weekly shows on the internet.

Thank you for the great series, Jim. And, thank god for Jim.

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