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Reading this thread, I'm not sure if everyone else missed the point, or if I missed the point...

lacktheknack:
Reading this thread, I'm not sure if everyone else missed the point, or if I missed the point...

its you.
your username is lacktheknack.
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plus it was during a party and not a conference...

Susan Arendt:
Correct, they weren't strippers, and they were dressed in "yeti" costumes that were fairly demure (unlike the Wargaming party, where they were barely dressed). In the case of the IGDA party, it's still considered a professional event as many designers uses such GDC events to network, pursue job leads, etc.

I did some google fu and this is the image I came up with

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Is there...something I am missing here? Because that doesnt seem 'barely dressed' to me, by god they have sleeves and everything!

Sure their cloths are a tad tight, but really? Is this the kind of thing people are getting offended over these days?

rhizhim:

lacktheknack:
Reading this thread, I'm not sure if everyone else missed the point, or if I missed the point...

its you.
your username is lacktheknack.
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plus it was during a party and not a conference...

Regardless of context, I thought the comic was lampooning how "the industry" and various gamers seem to think "strippers are OK if they're into games", meaning this is a guilt comic.

Except there's no guilt in this thread.

Maybe I do lack the knack at this...

Kumagawa Misogi:

Irridium:
For those who don't know, this is about that conference recently (think it was an IGDA conference) that brought out strippers in what should have been a professional environment for no apparent reason other than to have strippers.

Is this another prude USA thing? as in the UK our shopping centre's (malls to you I believe) have strippers during the day all the time and people of all ages just accept it I've never seen women when with there children show any offence anyway.

I don't think they do, old chap. Not around these parts anyway. The raciest thing you're likely to see on a normal day in a shopping centre is a lingerie mannequin, which isn't quite the same thing.

wackelpudding:
"Testosterzone" -- my new favourite word!

Nothing will ever beat the quantum vagina.

"It's like schrodingers pussy!"

Yeah, strippers at conferences...kinda awkward and let's face it, not a great sign of confidence.

"CRAP our demo isn't anywhere near good enough...BRING OUT THE DANCING GIRLS!"

And the dongle thing? Not sure what the comic has to do with it, except sexism, but my two cents on it is that, well, it's a massive overreaction to idle jokes between workmates that weren't even directed at anyone.

And who on earth DOESN'T think "dongle" sounds like an innuendo?

Doclector:

wackelpudding:
"Testosterzone" -- my new favourite word!

Nothing will ever beat the quantum vagina.

"It's like schrodingers pussy!"

Yeah, strippers at conferences...kinda awkward and let's face it, not a great sign of confidence.

"CRAP our demo isn't anywhere near good enough...BRING OUT THE DANCING GIRLS!"

And then Aliens Colonial Marines happens! :P

"Oh shit, we cant bring out the sexy xenomorph cosplay babes! Quick, make a fake demo we can show off!"

And because I googled xenomorph cosplay girl

lacktheknack:
Maybe I do lack the knack at this...

I think you do.

I am almost completely sure the point being made is "Just because the girls wearing nothing but their underwear are gamers, doesn't make it any better when they are shaking their asses in the faces of men and women at a conference's party."

Grey tends to write satire, so more often than not he is making fun of what people say/do, rather than pointing out what people say/do.

lacktheknack:
Reading this thread, I'm not sure if everyone else missed the point, or if I missed the point...

I think most people commenting are not aware of the Brenda Romero incident and hence they only get the dongle reference.

OT: Since Susan Arendt already mentioned the Wargaming party, I just leave this here. (Video of the 2013 GDC Wargaming party) Scroll to the 3min mark i guess... sigh.

Desert Punk:

Susan Arendt:
Correct, they weren't strippers, and they were dressed in "yeti" costumes that were fairly demure (unlike the Wargaming party, where they were barely dressed). In the case of the IGDA party, it's still considered a professional event as many designers uses such GDC events to network, pursue job leads, etc.

I did some google fu and this is the image I came up with

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Is there...something I am missing here? Because that doesnt seem 'barely dressed' to me, by god they have sleeves and everything!

Sure their cloths are a tad tight, but really? Is this the kind of thing people are getting offended over these days?

No, I'm talking about the girls in bikinis and bunny masks. (See the post above this one.)

Does this kinda thing really happen that often at developper conferences? o0

I mean i knew it happened for duke nukem forever, but that seemed the exception rather then the rule.

Uhura:
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Ah right ty, now the strip (euh the comic) makes sense.
Find the bunny masks rather unsettling, got a psycho killer/miami hotline vibe from them.

Damn, you game developers party hard, I mean its a party but strippers seems a tad excessive... did they at least hire male strippers for the laaaAAAaaadiiies?

Susan Arendt:

Desert Punk:

Susan Arendt:
Correct, they weren't strippers, and they were dressed in "yeti" costumes that were fairly demure (unlike the Wargaming party, where they were barely dressed). In the case of the IGDA party, it's still considered a professional event as many designers uses such GDC events to network, pursue job leads, etc.

I did some google fu and this is the image I came up with

(Sniped)

Is there...something I am missing here? Because that doesnt seem 'barely dressed' to me, by god they have sleeves and everything!

Sure their cloths are a tad tight, but really? Is this the kind of thing people are getting offended over these days?

No, I'm talking about the girls in bikinis and bunny masks. (See the post above this one.)

Wow, I am amazed not one picture of that was on google image search. You would think that would be more wide spread than just a video or two.

lacktheknack:

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Desert Punk:

Susan Arendt:
Correct, they weren't strippers, and they were dressed in "yeti" costumes that were fairly demure (unlike the Wargaming party, where they were barely dressed). In the case of the IGDA party, it's still considered a professional event as many designers uses such GDC events to network, pursue job leads, etc.

I did some google fu and this is the image I came up with

Is there...something I am missing here? Because that doesnt seem 'barely dressed' to me, by god they have sleeves and everything!

your google fu IS WEAK!


on the sides of the stages.

and what you missed what that this

IO Interactive 'Hitman: Absolution' Launch Party: Do We Really Need Pole Dancers?

IO Interactive has taken this attention to detail one step further: According to an anonymous source, they recently held their launch party in a strip club UPDATED faux nightclub warehouse with pole dancers (not strippers, as I had previously reported)

IO Interactive said, "We were all really excited to celebrate the global launch of Hitman Absolution yesterday. The private launch event was not held in a strip club. It was held at a warehouse. The venue was themed to represent various environments from our game and featured a barber shop for staff members to shave their heads like Agent 47, a library bar and there was a 10 minute show by two professional pole dancers (representing the games' Vixen Club level) which contained no nudity and no stripping. It was an invite-only launch celebration that no one was forced to attend."
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2012/11/21/io-interactive-holds-hitman-absolution-launch-party-in-a-strip-club/[

So they REALLY have strippers at these conventions? <.<

I first thought that the setting was the whole joke.

rhizhim:
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I was using google image search for stills, not videos! Gimme a break! :P

Edit: After checking out the hitman launch party that seems rather entertaining, and it makes me really wish that Volition had thrown a launch party where dudes in bondage gear did richshaw races for Saints Row 3 :P

Desert Punk:

rhizhim:
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I was using google image search for stills, not videos! Gimme a break! :P

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NEVAAAAAAR!

your google fu is a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!!!!!!

They have strippers at those conventions? And here i thought its just sweaty nerds as far as eyes can see....

.... When is the next convention coming up?

Also, people who tend to play DF also tend to be strange. So it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

rhizhim:

Desert Punk:

rhizhim:
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I was using google image search for stills, not videos! Gimme a break! :P

image
NEVAAAAAAR!

your google fu is a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!!!!!!

I am sorry I have failed you oh sensei, I shall take the only honorable path available to a shamed one such as myself!

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Legion:

lacktheknack:
Maybe I do lack the knack at this...

I think you do.

I am almost completely sure the point being made is "Just because the girls wearing nothing but their underwear are gamers, doesn't make it any better when they are shaking their asses in the faces of men and women at a conference's party."

Yep... That is the complete and utter point.

I imagine there is a tiny counterpoint to be made that some gamer girls might legitimately just need the money from striping (possibly to fuel their gaming habits.)

...But that simply makes the situation awkward if they're forced to show their faces in front of their peers. Being a stripper already is an embarrassing position already, save for rare circumstances; so imagine how awkward it would be to do something that intimate in front of some people that you're supposed to relate to.

The fact that it would be done at a place where they aren't even meant to be doing these kinds of things; namely a developer's conference, when they should be showing off the games, not the women... That makes the whole thing a situation full of awkwardness that is utterly avoidable.

In the end, we're left with the distinct impression that these sort of things, at the bare minimum, should be done at an after party instead of the main show.

...And we still haven't even reached the point where we outright discus the negative impact on the community's image of women for them to do these things at these events; which tends to be summed up as women being objectified like they are in every part of civilization, but never seems to be done quite as extensively as when you're parading them around as titillation for the masses in some stripper show. A feat only rivaled by the fashion industry.

Next time, I dare someone to put gamer men in the same position.

(Not that I actually know what's going on, I'm piecing this together from context.)

albino boo:

Kumagawa Misogi:

Is this another prude USA thing? as in the UK our shopping centre's (malls to you I believe) have strippers during the day all the time and people of all ages just accept it I've never seen women when with there children show any offence anyway.

Err have you been smoking some "special" tobacco? I have never even heard of strippers in shopping centres, could you provide some sort of proof? I know its hard to tell the difference between Essex girls and strippers but Essex girls don't take of their clothes in public until they have had at least 3 hours of drinking time.

I know in Newcastle they have the gate which has scantily clad women on stilts handing out coupons and encouraging people into the club. This is directly outside of a cinema which caters for all ages I believe. However this kind of thing only opens up when it's presumed that all the childrens shows should have ended.

Bullshit.
No one is good at dwarf fortress. You can only be marginally less bad at it.

Denamic:
Bullshit.
No one is good at dwarf fortress. You can only be marginally less bad at it.

She is one of the few who actually figured out how to win...

Dwarf Fort is like Thermonuclear War. The only way to win... Is to not play at all. :P

The word "dongle" has been said too many times in this thread. I now choose to be offended. Nobody move, I have to find a camera. Twitter fame here I come!

So, in the wargaming one, did anyone else notice the bunny girls were wearing bunnified gas masks?

MetricFurlong:

Kumagawa Misogi:

Irridium:
For those who don't know, this is about that conference recently (think it was an IGDA conference) that brought out strippers in what should have been a professional environment for no apparent reason other than to have strippers.

Is this another prude USA thing? as in the UK our shopping centre's (malls to you I believe) have strippers during the day all the time and people of all ages just accept it I've never seen women when with there children show any offence anyway.

I don't think they do, old chap. Not around these parts anyway. The raciest thing you're likely to see on a normal day in a shopping centre is a lingerie mannequin, which isn't quite the same thing.

Go to Westfield Stratford City shopping centre they had strippers okay topless girls pole dancing to be more exact on the 3rd floor a couple of saturdays ago (last time I was there) only tops off not completly naked (they still had hotpants/thongs) but I don't see the big deal as male underwear models walk around in just briefs or boxers all the time

neonit:
They have strippers at those conventions? And here i thought its just sweaty nerds as far as eyes can see....

.... When is the next convention coming up?

Also, people who tend to play DF also tend to be strange. So it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

It still is sweaty nerds as far as the eye can see

why do you think they're sweaty?

Its like the photographers had a quota of Hover Hand pics to fill out

at least we know why game development costs have skyrocketed, these "entertainers" dont come cheap

wizzy555:

Kumagawa Misogi:

Irridium:
For those who don't know, this is about that conference recently (think it was an IGDA conference) that brought out strippers in what should have been a professional environment for no apparent reason other than to have strippers.

Is this another prude USA thing? as in the UK our shopping centre's (malls to you I believe) have strippers during the day all the time and people of all ages just accept it I've never seen women when with there children show any offence anyway.

We have strippers in our malls? Since when?

Go to Westfield Stratford City shopping centre they had strippers okay topless girls pole dancing to be more exact on the 3rd floor a couple of saturdays ago (last time I was there) only tops off not completly naked (they still had hotpants/thongs) but I don't see the big deal as male underwear models walk around in just briefs or boxers all the time

albino boo:

Kumagawa Misogi:

Is this another prude USA thing? as in the UK our shopping centre's (malls to you I believe) have strippers during the day all the time and people of all ages just accept it I've never seen women when with there children show any offence anyway.

Err have you been smoking some "special" tobacco? I have never even heard of strippers in shopping centres, could you provide some sort of proof? I know its hard to tell the difference between Essex girls and strippers but Essex girls don't take of their clothes in public until they have had at least 3 hours of drinking time.

Go to Westfield Stratford City shopping centre they had strippers okay topless girls pole dancing to be more exact on the 3rd floor a couple of saturdays ago (last time I was there) only tops off not completly naked (they still had hotpants/thongs) but I don't see the big deal as male underwear models walk around in just briefs or boxers all the time

Hmmm, well I took it as a general knock on the game industry in general which has been accused of the use of eye candy for a long time. I mean sure we've got the "dongle" thing now, but people have been discussing things like booth babes, and associated parties for a long time now. I think PAX even had some kind of "adult" side party at one point that was supposed to turn into an orgy.

That said I don't really have a problem with models, strippers, etc... at professional events. I also don't think it's something unique to the gaming industry. Having done security for many, many, conventions that rented space at the casinos where I worked I take it as being almost par for the course. Having talked with girls that do this kind of thing I'm reluctant to call it exploitation, and sometimes I even wonder who might be exploiting who if you want to really think about it.

As far as the strip goes, my big question was why Erin would have even showed up for the show to be honest. Sure, it makes a great punchline, but I seem to remember it was established long ago that Erin isn't bi- or a lesbian, nor is her boss who was harassing her (in referance to comments that there might be a lesbian Tsundere thing going on). The look on her face in panel 4 would definatly reinforce that. If she's not into that kind of thing, and winds up taking a stageside show for this kind of act with someone... well, the response should be obvious. I suppose this was needed for the punchline/criticism though.

To be honest I would find it kind of amusing if despite all earlier comments and indication Erin woke up in bed with the stripper, and then kept running into her at cons as an attendee or booth babe. Given their perspective it could be spun off into a sort of jab at those who go off about "fake geek girls", homo/bi sexuality in gaming, and other assorted issues over a period of time as an occasional thing. Not that I agree with all those positions, just that I suppose it would be a way to do it.

I find this whole comic extremely unrealistic... no one is good at Dwarf Fortress. :D

Is it intentional that she looks sort of like Erin's boss or am I just imagining things?

Well, I'm off to have a long hot shower.

Captcha: mouth watering (gross)

Irridium:
For those who don't know, this is about that conference party recently (think it was an IGDA conference) that brought out a bunch of dancer in what looked like a semi-professional environment for no apparent reason other than to have dancers.

Well, video games are art and dancing is art. So why not?

rhizhim:

ToastedCorpser4Lunch:
Does this have to do with that chick who did that thing cause those guys made that joke about that thing or something? If so, I didn't see the connection, then again, I'm half asleep.
(First!)

it is about what you think it is.
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the guy way fired for a dick joke by the company who he worked for, the company who she worked for was then DDOSed to death and they then fired her.

Sucks for that guy. If I would've been fired for every dick joke I made (not to mention the entire spectrum of inappropriate sexual jokes and innuendo), I would be in a poor condition. I see the connection in the title, but not in the strip - it happened in a Python coders' convention, didn't it?

OT: As a butt-person, I approve of this comic strip. Nice job.

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