Escapist Podcast: 087: The Death of LucasArts (But Not Friendship!)

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087: The Death of LucasArts (But Not Friendship!)

This week, the podcast crew laments the loss of LucasArts. We also talk about friendship and who'd make the best leader in the event of a zombie apocalypse.

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Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

Heya Podcast- Why not compromise and get inflatable couch(es)? Easily disassembled and you get the bonus of amusing squeaking noises when you move, not to mention the dubious comfort of sitting on them.

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

Unfortunately for new players, Persona 4 frontloads the story like mad, so you have to sit through a good two hours of doing nothing but hitting X to advance the dialog before you can actually start fighting something. Once you go through the TV and meet Teddy, things start picking up.

Susan Arendt:

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

Unfortunately for new players, Persona 4 frontloads the story like mad, so you have to sit through a good two hours of doing nothing but hitting X to advance the dialog before you can actually start fighting something. Once you go through the TV and meet Teddy, things start picking up.

So its Monster Hunter, great... im getting flashbacks of carrying those bloody wyvern eggs again... AAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

On a side note, I freaking loved Eternal Sonata, its got so much damn charm.

Kuredan:
Heya Podcast- Why not compromise and get inflatable couch(es)? Easily disassembled and you get the bonus of amusing squeaking noises when you move, not to mention the dubious comfort of sitting on them.

Certainly an option, but something tells me the squeaking noises would get old real fast :P

PunkRex:

Susan Arendt:

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

Unfortunately for new players, Persona 4 frontloads the story like mad, so you have to sit through a good two hours of doing nothing but hitting X to advance the dialog before you can actually start fighting something. Once you go through the TV and meet Teddy, things start picking up.

So its Monster Hunter, great... im getting flashbacks of carrying those bloody wyvern eggs again... AAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

On a side note, I freaking loved Eternal Sonata, its got so much damn charm.

It gets better, I promise! It really really does!

WMDogma:

Kuredan:
Heya Podcast- Why not compromise and get inflatable couch(es)? Easily disassembled and you get the bonus of amusing squeaking noises when you move, not to mention the dubious comfort of sitting on them.

Certainly an option, but something tells me the squeaking noises would get old real fast :P

Haha! I know, I was being somewhat sarcastic. Seriously though, I had a 6 month TDY and slept on a futon for the first week and air mattress for the rest. The futon left grill marks and back pain and the air mattress was awesome. I used it for the first month in my apartment at my duty station as well while I waited on my goods shipment.

Alternately, if you had good joists you could hang eye hooks and string up hammocks. I love me a good hammock.

Susan Arendt:

It gets better, I promise! It really really does!

I should really listen to the entire vid before comenting but you talking about 'The Phantom Tollbooth' was awesome.

When I was younger my mum and dad split up and watching them two struggle to work affected me alot, my dad to actually make something of himeslf buisness wise and my mum to support me and my sister. As a result I got really attached to over manly, hard working characters like Samurai Jack and Gai from Naruto who I still try and emulate today in my own endeavours!
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The idea of slacking off or 'killing time' really annoys me, something im sure you understand.
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God I love that film. I also totally had that thing with advanced books when I was younger as I was dyslexic but all my friends were nerds so I HAD to read Terry Pratchett. I didn't understand half of the content but Death was damn cool.

Thanks for the Podcat!

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Theme!

dudes.. you have half the answer already lava lamps and inflatable couches
go back to the 80's! you could even get the luminous 8 bit color scheme right
inflatable chairs/couches are super cheap too, i got a lounger for 8 once
that's like $12-$16 or so? you can afford it.

a super basic round table, with a dnd game on it, some magic cards whatever
it's literally perfect.

you spend less than $100 and get a theme for your podcat.

I shall now return to the podcat, had to suggest it.

Hello there, question for the Podcast: are you guys making another Game of Thrones extra cast? I loved those the last time around, it was fun listening to it while playing defense grid XD.

Great show.

I really liked Final Fantasy X's Blitzball for its imbalance; destroying the Goers and the Psyches with Jecht Shot was really satisfying after the former had excellent douche-ification at the beginning of the game. But I also liked Tetra Masters in Final Fantasy IX.

I concur that many new JRPG's falter in the characterization department rather than the story (but many stories could use some trimming and editing). In my opinion, I don't think the audience for JRPG's has moved on, but rather the bar is vary high when making a quality JRPG. These expectations have led Square Enix to their graphical and combat system revision obsession which has led to a decline in quality in their more recent titles.

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, here is a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was so drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like pointless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scott it made me wonder when I'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

The simple fact is that Persona 4 and all games in general are not for everyone and you are not alone for getting antsy in the introduction. I personally adored the set-up; the introduction of Persona 4 was an answer to the lack of agency the introduction of Persona 3 presented, which got you playing faster, but without context or motivation. This focus on player agency made me unable to put it down before I actually began playing the game in contrast to your experience.

Garland:

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, here is a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was so drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like pointless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scott it made me wonder when I'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

The simple fact is that Persona 4 and all games in general are not for everyone and you are not alone for getting antsy in the introduction. I personally adored the set-up; the introduction of Persona 4 was an answer to the lack of agency the introduction of Persona 3 presented, which got you playing faster, but without context or motivation. This focus on player agency made me unable to put it down before I actually began playing the game in contrast to your experience.

I'll struggle through, the rest of the game does look really engaging, its just the it gets such un-real praise and it bugs me. Its got to the point that if someone critises it even slightly, they get destroyed, and NO ART is above critisism.

I deinfately nail down games that defined my personality. Perhaps, for my then tender age (11-12), I shouldn't have gotten a hand on Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers, but I'm sure as hell happy I did. I have vague memories of other adventure-y games I played before, but it was this masterful gem that set in this joy of complex, intriguing, powerful storytelling, and for investigation and reasoning. It was the stepping stone into adventure games, so the whole Gabriel Knight series and Jane Jensen's fantastic writing, belding of mystery and fact completely set the tone for the kinds of stories I like. The same feeling came back with The Longest Journey and Grim Fandango. I can't settle for shoddy, mediocre characters and plots. However.....

Tomb Raider, the first one, also gave me this deeply ingrained desire to explore and uncover hidden mysteries. Again with mystery. I guess it all can be stripped that games (along with the tons of books I devoured in my young age reading) just defined this "I need to know what's behind all this mystery, and I'll search for the answer myself" drive that I think eventually led me to be a scientist. Also, it helped me understand that being alone isn't bad, and having to rely on wits and nimbleness to solve problems can be better than brute strength. There was this recent article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun's "Gaming made me" about Tomb Raider, and it felt very familiar.

If we're going by books, I think Michael Ende's "Momo" really moved me in this idea that even the smallest things are important, and everything you do with people matters. "Don't become a materialistic person and treasure your time" was my take away notion, which I've tried very hard to keep up, even with the weird habits my profession tends to impose on me. Like Susan, Alice in Wonderland also made me feel incredibly happy that I "got" all the wordplay and clever little language distorsion going on. I didn't know Phantom Tollbooth was a book. I only saw the movie adaptation and it was great.

One of you was breathing into one of the microphones, and it is VERY distracting! I can't enjoy the Podcat as usual with "huff, huff" going on.

I haven't actually finished listening quite yet, but there's something I have to say.

In the nicest possible way, bugger you all - I'm having sympathy pains for ALL of your stories.

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

As someone who reads and watches anime and manga that is just people in highschool talking about pretty mundane stuff I liked how it started but I can see where its frustrating for people who dont like that sort of thing. I think its maybe 2 weeks in game time for everything to really kick in. If you don't enjoy all the talking so much, I'm not sure if you'll like the social linking a lot.

I think the only game that would make me buy a PS4 in general would be Persona 5. I think I would buy it the day it comes out if that was announced. Its how they got me to buy a Vita.

Good luck to Janelle, whatever it is I hope she get better soon

DrRockor:

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, heres a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was sooooooooooooooo drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like ponitless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scot it made me wonder when i'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

As someone who reads and watches anime and manga that is just people in highschool talking about pretty mundane stuff I liked how it started but I can see where its frustrating for people who dont like that sort of thing. I think its maybe 2 weeks in game time for everything to really kick in. If you don't enjoy all the talking so much, I'm not sure if you'll like the social linking a lot.

I think the only game that would make me buy a PS4 in general would be Persona 5. I think I would buy it the day it comes out if that was announced. Its how they got me to buy a Vita.

Good luck to Janelle, whatever it is I hope she get better soon

Heres the thing though, I do enjoy slice of life stuff. Hell, one of the reasons I like alot of romance/harem animes and manga is because of the human element. I do like what i've seen, it was just so slooooow, not that im against slowing down every now and then... I dunno. I'll give it another go.

Thank goodness for people actually being realistic about Lucasarts. Nothing against the indivuduals that worked there, and I hope they find further employment in the nearest of futures, but it's extremely true that there wasn't much value in the studio as it was. It had been a long time before they put out anything particularly good, and even some of the good stuff they did put out wasn't exactly huge in terms of market value. In short, just because they put out Star Wars games you liked 10 or more years ago doesn't mean all that much.

Edit: Heard the bit about Janelle. Hope she is able to beat whatever she's dealing with and come back twice as strong. Don't really know her of course, but it's kind of hard to picture someone with her sort of vivacious personality being brought down at all.

Once again in this Podcat an office DnD game was mentioned. You fellows should really think about turning that ,or something similar, into a "podcast" of its own. I know I would gleefully tune in every week for that.

I'm so glad they finally talked about JRPG's yet like everybody else in the gaming world they forgot about the Tales series, which has been going strong with 2 soon to be 3 titles this gen. Plus Kingdom Hearts should have been the first non turn based JRPG that came to mind especially after talking about Disney.

While not really as impressive, I've had a similar hand injury once. I managed to shove my hand down on the tip of a -very- sharpened pencil sticking up from my pocket, and the tip broke of and got stuck. It's never really bothered me, but I do have this black dot right at the bottom of my palm. The fun thing is, it got lodged right where my lifeline ends, from what I know about palm reading, at least. My idle interpretation is that I'll be around fairly long, but I'll make a flaming exit.

Furthermore... I'm very disappointed now that I know what cathouse really means... I pictured myself this house filled with cuddly cats meandering about you could visit if you've had a bad day. Suppose it's similar in concept, but still.

My hand injury; in primary school, my friends and I loved taking apart ballpoint pens and using it like a dart shooter, using rubber bands and such. At one point had the middle of a pen go through the back of my palm, between the bones, not break through the skin on the other side but the skin was tented by the point.

Also, Samurai Jack; best role model.

caballitomalo:
Hello there, question for the Podcast: are you guys making another Game of Thrones extra cast? I loved those the last time around, it was fun listening to it while playing defense grid XD.

Great show.

I'd give them time to air one or two more episodes so they have a bit more to talk about. But yeah, Thronescast!
(Also, I played Defense Grid last time they did them too!)

Muspelheim:

Furthermore... I'm very disappointed now that I know what cathouse really means... I pictured myself this house filled with cuddly cats meandering about you could visit if you've had a bad day. Suppose it's similar in concept, but still.

I have to say, my mind immediately went to like a cat farm or something. Just like a house, filled with bowls of food and water, with cats covering every surface.
... I suppose you could still go to the cathouse to stroke some... no, must resist the pun!

Coming soon to a package near you (if you live in/near Durham NC)-

I'm not really a card person. And I figure there are worse ways to spend a weekend than doing something for a podcast regular(ish) who needs some support.

EDIT: And it's not supposed to look like an actual physical thing, to clarify. All Photoshop. Although if I could print an actual comic book I would be on that shit so hard.

I like how the first 30 mins was , let's gross Susan out with our grievous wound stories.

And as I don't have one o' them e-mails(I know, I don't have a cell phone either how do I exist), let me wish my fondest well wishes to Janelle.

This is getting really odd, but I keep having problems with the Podcast, and ONLY with he podcasts. Last week it would skip about 25 minutes of the video like an old vinyl, this week it just crashes Chrome's Flash outright.

The reactions in the video are great. I think I'm going to have to switch to full-out watching or at least having the video up in a side window. The Escapist claims yet another victory over my (mostly theoretical) productivity!

Listening / watching to the podcast is fun, but then the break music video comes in I'm jarred out of a pleasant experience. I'm wistfully looking at LotR -scenes, and thinking...ah...what a wonderful experience. Then I remember what a horrible mess the books become after books one and two. How the tv-series is a watered down and ever-so-slightly revised version of that horrible mess. And I'm jarred back into reality.

I'm also noticing that this podcast is not the way I remember it from before. It's much more of a free flowing conversation amongst friends and colleagues. I like it, although some of the "intro" stuff made me blink a few times.

The phantom tollbooth is the book that turned me into the sci-fi/fantasy fan I am today. Its weird bizarre world opened me up to the possibility that not everything have to be the boring world we currently live in. Kinda explains why I am really into pen and paper role-playing and even proudly podcast my games.

PunkRex:

Garland:

PunkRex:
Okay Persona 4 fans, here is a question:

When do they stop talking?

I managed to find the original Persona 4 on PS2 and get one of my many old Playstations to play the bloody thing and not spit it out claiming it was a DVD but I got two hours in and it was so drawn out. I finally got to a dungeon but all my interest in the story and characters was spent, I was just so bored with them going on and on about what seemed like pointless shit and the pace was like trying to swim through jelly. I really want to like it (the characters really seem likable) but great fucking scott it made me wonder when I'd get to actually play the thing as opposed to listen to it.

The simple fact is that Persona 4 and all games in general are not for everyone and you are not alone for getting antsy in the introduction. I personally adored the set-up; the introduction of Persona 4 was an answer to the lack of agency the introduction of Persona 3 presented, which got you playing faster, but without context or motivation. This focus on player agency made me unable to put it down before I actually began playing the game in contrast to your experience.

I'll struggle through, the rest of the game does look really engaging, its just the it gets such un-real praise and it bugs me. Its got to the point that if someone critises it even slightly, they get destroyed, and NO ART is above critisism.

I can't help but think this ^

I'd actually never heard of persona at all until Kathleens constant ramblings about it in the LRR podcasts and it genuinely made me curious. But everyone ive heard who's into it is REALLY into it, I've heard hardly anyone say "Meh, its alright". and that always worries me that i;m going to go into it with unrealistically high expectations.... Not that I own a vita, so its a moot point anyway. Though i'm super curious about P4 the golden.

I DO own a Dsi and a 360, are there any persona games forthose consoles?

PunkRex:

The idea of slacking off or 'killing time' really annoys me, something im sure you understand.

yet you play video games...

I'll be under my bridge ;)

In seriousness, thats something i can totally relate to. I hate feeling like I'm being unproductive. Don't get me wrong, i consider enjoying leisure time to be productive so its not like I'm work obsessed. However the way it manifests for me is that I despise watching TV all evening, or worse all day. Not that I mind sticking on a show I like, but just sitting there staring at the box watching somethign i don't even really enjoy genuinely makes me really depressed/freaked out that I'm wasting my life. I can't understand how people can do that, I remember saying to an ex "Ergh, I feel like my brain is melting, I've been watching telly for 8 hours now" and she was just like "thats what I do everyday" totally unrelatable. True story.

jackdeesface:

PunkRex:

The idea of slacking off or 'killing time' really annoys me, something im sure you understand.

yet you play video games...

I'll be under my bridge ;)

In seriousness, thats something i can totally relate to. I hate feeling like I'm being unproductive. Don't get me wrong, i consider enjoying leisure time to be productive so its not like I'm work obsessed. However the way it manifests for me is that I despise watching TV all evening, or worse all day. Not that I mind sticking on a show I like, but just sitting there staring at the box watching somethign i don't even really enjoy genuinely makes me really depressed/freaked out that I'm wasting my life. I can't understand how people can do that, I remember saying to an ex "Ergh, I feel like my brain is melting, I've been watching telly for 8 hours now" and she was just like "thats what I do everyday" totally unrelatable. True story.

Dump dat zero and get ya'll self a hero!... oh you already did that... I have no problem with relaxing, I just tend to do other stuff while watching TV and listening to music like re-writing notes, drawing etc.

jackdeesface:

PunkRex:

Garland:

The simple fact is that Persona 4 and all games in general are not for everyone and you are not alone for getting antsy in the introduction. I personally adored the set-up; the introduction of Persona 4 was an answer to the lack of agency the introduction of Persona 3 presented, which got you playing faster, but without context or motivation. This focus on player agency made me unable to put it down before I actually began playing the game in contrast to your experience.

I'll struggle through, the rest of the game does look really engaging, its just the it gets such un-real praise and it bugs me. Its got to the point that if someone critises it even slightly, they get destroyed, and NO ART is above critisism.

I can't help but think this ^

I'd actually never heard of persona at all until Kathleens constant ramblings about it in the LRR podcasts and it genuinely made me curious. But everyone ive heard who's into it is REALLY into it, I've heard hardly anyone say "Meh, its alright". and that always worries me that i;m going to go into it with unrealistically high expectations.... Not that I own a vita, so its a moot point anyway. Though i'm super curious about P4 the golden.

I DO own a Dsi and a 360, are there any persona games forthose consoles?

There are a bunch of Shin Megami Tensei games for the DS, though not Persona, per se. Not as story-heavy, but you do get the demon collecting/turn based fighting. Definitely still a good time.

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