Escapist Podcast: Bonus: Game of Thronescast!

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Bonus: Game of Thronescast!

Warning: This podcast will contain spoilers for Game of Thrones!

Also, apologies for the audio quality; the mixer accidentally came unplugged while the podcast was being set up and it wasn't noticed until after we were done recording.

In this special bonus podcast, The Escapist crew discusses the return of the epic fantasy series Game of Thrones!

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So with there being two bonus podcats within one week will there be a regular podcat on friday?

I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

*Minor Spoilers*

A Question from S3E02: If there is gun-porn and car-porn, did we just see crossbow-porn? I think the only other instance of this may be in First Knight and now I cannot unsee it.

I find pre-episode recaps spoil too much about the episode I am about to watch. For instance, in S3E01 I knew Barristan Selmy was the faux-assassin because of the recap namedrop and it was nearing the end of the episode without any sign of him otherwise.

You guys sound like you have fallen in a well. ECHO Echo echo.

What do you mean by spoilers? Anything and everything book and show?

I would kind of like to assume you won't spoil anything past the current episode of the show, otherwise I'm not sure I understand the point of this because the only people who should listen are those who are caught up on both the book and the show (or don't care about spoilers I suppose) ... and I thought this was supposed to be a podcast on the show, and now I'm afraid to listen :(

forlornhope22:
You guys sound like you have fallen in a well. ECHO Echo echo.

yea I had to really concentrate to hear them on this podcat BUT it wasn't really there fault so I cant fault them for the audio quality.

Josh12345:
I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

Sure, should be. I mean, we'll be talking about stuff that is in the book but not the show, but we don't really jump ahead too much, or anything. We don't, for example, say "Oh, such and such person's death must be happening later this season!!" We mostly just discuss the first two episodes and how they relate (or don't) to the books.

I thought you give the show too much trouble for how they introduced the Brotherhood.

I don't remember how they were mentioned in the first season, but the fact that the Lannister troops in Harrenhall were torturing about everyone they got their hands on to death just to get some intel on it, made it pretty clear to me that they had to be important somehow.

I also wasn't too surprised about them capturing the Hound... I mean, he was on his way from King's Landing to the Wall, just like Arya was before she was snatched.

Cersei Lannister looks like Jaheria from Baldur's Gate on podcast picture.

I just want to say the Tyrells are my new favorite people. I think the crew made Margaery a stronger character in the show than George managed to in the books. Maybe I'm forgetting a few integral scenes but I don't recall her commanding anywhere the presence portrayed in the show. She was a character I mostly glossed over. They hit home every bit she was in.

I too was incredibly disappointed with the white walker attack resolution. No battle. No dragon glass. No on screen deaths. Nuttin. Just Sam screwed up again. And now we get to go back home with our tails between our legs.

These two episodes felt like midseason exposition rather than opening spectacles. Hopefully that means they are putting their effort into developing the story (though as you covered, they failed at a couple bits). I haven't reread the third book yet so maybe the deviations won't come across too poorly and they pick up the few threads they left hanging later on in the season. I'm mildly concerned and cautiously optimistic at the same time.

This podcat made me realize what has been missing from the scenes in the Riverlands and surroundings: burning farms. A few glimpses in the riding scenes or establishing shots would really help create a backdrop for the Brotherhood without Banners. In the books we are told how devastating the passage of armies has been to the peasantry, but the series has not fortified the idea enough. There's the excellent scene in the first series where the farmer tells Ned of the ravaging of the Riverlands, and we hear of fugitives in the second series, but we never really see the desolation on-screen. Burn some logs in the shape of a cabin and throw in a line about Cat's family's lands being burnt - it would help.

Adventurer2626:

I too was incredibly disappointed with the white walker attack resolution. No battle. No dragon glass. No on screen deaths. Nuttin. Just Sam screwed up again. And now we get to go back home with our tails between our legs.

This..... Yes this........

Where was Janelle? It's always fun to get her perspective on GoT because she hasn't read the books.... I was disappointed that she wasn't included in the podcat.

BTW, Sam's slaying of a White Walker does not happen during the battle on the Fist of the First Men. It happened during the retreat to Craster's Keep. Which is yet to happen on the show, so don't be so fast to complain about it.

Josh12345:
I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

Nope. They drop some major spoiler bombs for future books.

I am much happier with this season than last season.

It is amazing how these Podcats are point for point the same as the conversations that my fiancée and I are having after the show.

We need more Spoilercasts! Keep them coming guys (and girl!).

At 42:00 minutes you forgot the other Mad King and Johanna (sp?) rumour. The theory is that Tyrion is Tywin's only child. This is based on the evidence that Aerys was drunk and way too involved in the bedding during Tywin's wedding, leading many to believe he took Liege lord Privileges and bedded Johanna(sp?). Genna (Tywin's sister) tells Jaime or Cersei (can't remember) that Tywin only ever had one true son, and it wasn't Jamie. Since Cersei and Jamie are twins, if Tywin isn't Jamie's father, he isn't Cersei's. This is further supported by Cersei's obsession with fire and Jofferey (her sons) madness. This is even brought up in later books when Joffrey is referred to as just like the mad king (Aerys).

Ser Barriston to Daenerys. "Prince Aerys . . . as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord's right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the . . . the liberties your father took during the bedding."

This is the one i buy into.

The story with the Manticore and and Barristan was almost the same as it was in the books when they first meet. Except instead of a child, it was an old man assassin from Quarth that gave her a lavish box.

Wait, what Arstan Whitebeard is Barristan Selmy? I totally never picked that up in the book. I mean wouldn't Jorah of maybe mentioned that little detail as I'm assuming they must have known or been aware of each other before Jorah was exiled.

Darth Sea Bass:
Wait, what Arstan Whitebeard is Barristan Selmy? I totally never picked that up in the book. I mean wouldn't Jorah of maybe mentioned that little detail as I'm assuming they must have known or been aware of each other before Jorah was exiled.

Jorah had some idea, he was aware that Arstan was familiar, but couldn't figure it out at the time they met.

Susan Arendt:

Josh12345:
I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

Sure, should be. I mean, we'll be talking about stuff that is in the book but not the show, but we don't really jump ahead too much, or anything. We don't, for example, say "Oh, such and such person's death must be happening later this season!!" We mostly just discuss the first two episodes and how they relate (or don't) to the books.

And to be fair, if you haven't read the books, all the names you guys threw around really don't mean much :p

MorganL4:
Where was Janelle? It's always fun to get her perspective on GoT because she hasn't read the books.... I was disappointed that she wasn't included in the podcat.

We had hoped to include her in this podcast, but as she is currently out of the office in a different state, our attempts to patch her in via Google Chat didn't quite work out this time. We're hoping to work something out for the next one!

With regards to whitewalker/battle at the fist of the first men.
I remember that while yes, some of the battle in the books was described by sams perspective as he was trying to get off the ravens (and I am a bit annoyed that they didn't let him have that), most of the fight was only depicted in 'flashbacks' as the nights watch were making their way back to the wall.
In the first two episodes Sam is even more stricken and terrified than usual (even for sam!), I think that might be because he's already seen (which we know) and killed an other, and the fight will be shown as many in the books were - in flashbacks.

Edit: With regards to the selmy/whitebeard reveal: The show didn't deny the audience the opportunity of the slow reveal, the fact it was a show could not offer it. The reason the character was hidden for so long in the book wasn't because of strong belwas, it was because it was a written work, and the only thing you can pick up about the character is what is written.
But in a show, what would have happened is 5 minutes after Arstan was introduced, every audience member would be like "Um, okay, it's that barristan guy. He was like world famous, why doesn't anyone recognize him?"

Double Edit: I really don't agree that the comments saying the brotherhood without banners setup wasn't properly set up. At least half of what happened at Harrenhal in season 2 had to do with talking about the brotherhood without banners.

There were a few scenes that referenced the brothers in Harrenhal, example: (from start to 1:16ish)


That scene alone I think sets the brotherhood up enough for what we got in s3e2.

The audio is reeeealy shitty.

I didn't mind the audio. Could be better though.

I really like this podcast really enjoyed it. I feel kinda the same about this season I'm a bit....Blergh. It's differing from the books and I don't like it! Pretty much agree with everything you guys came up with.

Tyrion + Bronn = Awesome.

Jon is my favourite character in the books but not so much in the series. He just seems a bit...limp

That Tyrion/Twyin scene...brilliant. You can actually see Tyrion growing darker in that scene.

Poor Theon. Poor stupid bastard. I'll be interested to see how they deal with his storyline.

I personally think that the series will 'mix up' the books POV and be more faithful to the actual timeline of the story vis a vis switching POV much quicker temporally than in the books where Martin wasn't prone to do that so much, staying with one character for the passing of several weeks at a time.

How insane is that I totally love Thronecasts, despite the fact that I totally am not interested in Game of Thrones?
Not books, not series, not games.
But I love these podcasts, when podpeople talk about something I know nothing about :)

grey_space:
Poor Theon. Poor stupid bastard. I'll be interested to see how they deal with his storyline.

I *think* I have a pretty good idea of what'll happen.

Psykoma:

grey_space:
Poor Theon. Poor stupid bastard. I'll be interested to see how they deal with his storyline.

I *think* I have a pretty good idea of what'll happen.

Ohhhh....That is just brilliant. And kinda matches the spirit of the books where Theon is constantly being duped by Ramsey, to his own detriment and mental anguish.

This has reaffirmed my faith in season 3 somewhat!!

I completely disagree about Daenaerys. "Bitchy" was exactly the vibe I got from her character in the books as well. I never really thought of her as particularly strong or worth my sympathy, as her whole motivation is fairly ruthless.

ADWD spoiler

Monsterfurby:
I completely disagree about Daenaerys. "Bitchy" was exactly the vibe I got from her character in the books as well. I never really thought of her as particularly strong or worth my sympathy, as her whole motivation is fairly ruthless.

ADWD spoiler

Susan Arendt:

Josh12345:
I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

Sure, should be. I mean, we'll be talking about stuff that is in the book but not the show, but we don't really jump ahead too much, or anything. We don't, for example, say "Oh, such and such person's death must be happening later this season!!" We mostly just discuss the first two episodes and how they relate (or don't) to the books.

Please don't talk about the later books. I'm on the fourth right now and it says Theon is dead. I didn't really believe it, but now I know it isn't true.

Other than that love the podcast :)

sindremaster:

Susan Arendt:

Josh12345:
I've only watched the show so would this be safe to watch?

Sure, should be. I mean, we'll be talking about stuff that is in the book but not the show, but we don't really jump ahead too much, or anything. We don't, for example, say "Oh, such and such person's death must be happening later this season!!" We mostly just discuss the first two episodes and how they relate (or don't) to the books.

Please don't talk about the later books. I'm on the fourth right now and it says Theon is dead. I didn't really believe it, but now I know it isn't true.

Other than that love the podcast :)

With respect if you're that worried about spoilers you probably shouldn't listen to the thronecast, at least until you've read the books.

Personally I think anything which has been published/released should be fair game for them to discuss, being overly worried about spoiling things would make the flow of conversation far too stilted.

jackdeesface:

With respect if you're that worried about spoilers you probably shouldn't listen to the thronecast, at least until you've read the books.

Personally I think anything which has been published/released should be fair game for them to discuss, being overly worried about spoiling things would make the flow of conversation far too stilted.

This podcast isn't about the books, it's about the television series, which is on the third book. So I didn't expect spoilers from anything after book 3.

Like I said, I was already 99% sure he wasn't dead so it wasn't a big spoiler, I was just asking them to not talk more about the later books.

Hey guys, is this video down? I came back to catch up and the website is saying it's 404'd! Thanks for looking into it!

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