Defiance Review - Great Concept, Generic Game

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Defiance Review - Great Concept, Generic Game

An average sci-fi shooter that feels like it could've been much more.

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Hm, seems very very similar to Borderlands to me. It's the branching out skills thing that makes it seem like that to me. Still, I'd of thought that they'd make it a bit more flushed out rather than samey.

you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

Frostbite3789:
The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

This is why review scores suck. They're an awful way of trying to mirror the impression of the reviwer and are completely arbitrary.

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

As mentioned in the written review, we were given a screener of the pilot episode to watch - I like it so far, and I think it has potential, but the game in its current form barely ties into the show at all. The episode missions, which the game encourages you to complete before the show's premiere, aren't much more than a basic character intro for Nolan and Irisa, two of the main characters from the series. Irisa barely says anything the entire game, and there's almost no references in the pilot episode to events she and Nolan participated in during the game.

fozzy360:

Frostbite3789:
The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

This is why review scores suck. They're an awful way of trying to mirror the impression of the reviwer and are completely arbitrary.

Then if they're going to have them, the scores should at least be somewhat consistent.

Frostbite3789:

fozzy360:

Frostbite3789:
The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

This is why review scores suck. They're an awful way of trying to mirror the impression of the reviwer and are completely arbitrary.

Then if they're going to have them, the scores should at least be somewhat consistent.

I invite you to check out this article detailing info on our review scores.

Neronium:
Hm, seems very very similar to Borderlands to me. It's the branching out skills thing that makes it seem like that to me. Still, I'd of thought that they'd make it a bit more flushed out rather than samey.

When I watched Bro Stream's playthrough on Youtube, the top comment was "Borderlands 3 sucks!"

Frostbite3789:
The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

Just because there wasn't anything notably bad about the game doesn't mean there was anything worth raising the score for. Don't what the deal is with A:CM.

Edit: Well it turns out that review wasn't done by the same person. Different reviewers having different standards? SHOCKING!

I enjoy the game, it is generic, but the promise of an MMO on a console is a great idea. I would suggest picking it up, after the price drops

WMDogma:

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

As mentioned in the written review, we were given a screener of the pilot episode to watch - I like it so far, and I think it has potential, but the game in its current form barely ties into the show at all. The episode missions, which the game encourages you to complete before the show's premiere, aren't much more than a basic character intro for Nolan and Irisa, two of the main characters from the series. Irisa barely says anything the entire game, and there's almost no references in the pilot episode to events she and Nolan participated in during the game.

Thank you for responding but i think you missed my point(or i worded it wrong if so sorry) they have stated that new missons will be added that are more connected to the TV series after each episode and as such will be referenced in the following weeks episode if people manage to complete them.(they would be world events like rift has)

WMDogma:

Frostbite3789:

fozzy360:

This is why review scores suck. They're an awful way of trying to mirror the impression of the reviwer and are completely arbitrary.

Then if they're going to have them, the scores should at least be somewhat consistent.

I invite you to check out this article detailing info on our review scores.

Which then explained precisely nothing.

ecoho:
Thank you for responding but i think you missed my point(or i worded it wrong if so sorry) they have stated that new missons will be added that are more connected to the TV series after each episode and as such will be referenced in the following weeks episode if people manage to complete them.(they would be world events like rift has)

I get that, and if Trion does start releasing tons of show-related content on a weekly basis, then later on down the line we may revisit Defiance the game to see if the interaction between it and Defiance the TV show has improved at all. But the game/show crossover material is still just one aspect of Defiance, and there are many other parts of the game that could use improvement besides introducing a stronger relationship between the two mediums.

so it's average? but isn't that what everyone expected from this game? everything i read about this beforehand was about the connection to the TV series and that is what interest me, if this works, maybe we can have more interaction like that in the future, even if it would make more sense to have the game side of this be in a >20€ downloadable title than a full blown MMO since you could probably get people to download that when after they watch the show

A friend of mine gifted me this over Steam for my birthday, and he keeps on going on about how amazing it is... it's just kind of 'meh' for me.

Once you get a few hours into it you realize just how little there is to do. There are the little challenge things you can play but they're not worth the frustration of getting anything higher than a bronze ranking. The timed racing bits are especially annoying due to the wonky way in which the vehicles control. You can be driving down a flat stretch of road and then suddenly go flying fifteen feet into the air for no reason.

A lot of the dialogue is kind of painful to listen to as well. Every time I hear someone say stupid made up words like "shtako" I grind my teeth a bit.

The gameplay is okay for what it is. I do however hate when I'm trying to shoot from behind cover, and even though your weapon is visibly clear of any obstacles you're still hitting the cover you're hiding behind.

The best part of the game I've seen so far are probably the Arkfall events, I was literally awed by how cool it was the first time I took part in one. Unfortunately those start to lose their novelty after your first few.

It's decent and by no means a bad game, but it's definitely not worth $60. Had I not gotten it as a gift, I wouldn't have paid full price for it.

Neronium:
Hm, seems very very similar to Borderlands to me. It's the branching out skills thing that makes it seem like that to me. Still, I'd of thought that they'd make it a bit more flushed out rather than samey.

Initially that is what I thought as well. But that is a wrong assumption. Weapons, shields and grenades are all practically the same. Same damage (or resistance), reload speeds ect ect. Levelling is just a number and occasionally you get to put a point into a perk you will never use (since you are so limited on how many you can equip). I am level 600+ and I don't feel like I am really progressing my character. They aren't really any better than my partners lvl 500. The only difference between us is I have access to more co op maps than she does. Oh and I have 1 more perk slot than her. It is not uncommon to jump 10+ lvls in a matter of minutes. Then for some reason it takes hours without seeing a level increase. Like they are saving up til you hit 40 levels in the bank before they give them to you. It is more like EDF 2017 with a bunch of other players running around. Well they might as well be NPCs for the amount of social interactions it allows on the 360. Trying to talk to anyone during combat sections is a death sentence.

Now here is what I understand of the story only playing the game. Your ship crashes while carrying a piece of space magic that is going to save the world. Save it from what you may ask. Well I am asking the same thing. But it looks like at least San Fransisco area needs some saving. You wake up with a voice in your head who instructs you to kill things. People seem to know this voice and use it to make you do what they want you to. Now if you kill enough (1 of each class) you get a piece of intel that tells you all about the things you have been killing. And why you should be killing them (other than they are trying to kill you or because you are at the whim of the voice in your head). Oh and there was some famous battle at Defiance that shit happened. Don't know what all the fighting was about but only a few survived. And now they are famous. It gets mentioned alot but with no context. The only thing I know about the battle of Defiance is the few lines at the beginning. Aliens and humans defied orders to save innocent lives. Full stop. If you want to learn more about the world, lore whatever you will be scrounging around looking for intel collectibles to fill you in on the story. And even they just leave more questions than answers

*edit*

And just 1 other thing I should add. Your guns have xp bars. The more you use them they will level up. Which gives that gun an extra skill. So say you have a legendary SMG which you love it will eventually get even better. Now you also have a character skill with gun types. That also levels and gives you bonuses (like faster reload or extra melee damage with that specific type equipped). So the more you use your legendary SMG the more bonuses you get with SMGs in general. Until you level up your legendary SMG (which can be done only once). Then you character progression with SMGs also comes to a screeching halt until you pick up a new SMG and start using it.

Oh but wait it gets even better [sarcasm]. I had a nice grenade launcher I planned on saving til later when I was going to work on my GL skill. Well my partner was using GLs so I thought I would do a nice thing and lend it to her, she could work on her skill and when she maxed it out just give it back. Reasonable right? No says Trion. When she gave it back to me it was still maxed. Even though I had never used it it would not help me if I wanted to. And as of right now there is no banking system. Hitting certain levels gives you more inventory slots (I am up to 47). So you will have to stock up on as many guns of the same type as what you plan on using and hope you can find decent guns of the other types later. And those sold from vendors (barring the hourly specials) are usually a bit weaker than the ones you find in terms of damage. But you will also want to save a maxxed out good gun for pvp (which right now is 2 map 16 man DM and 64 man capture and hold)

WMDogma:

ecoho:
Thank you for responding but i think you missed my point(or i worded it wrong if so sorry) they have stated that new missons will be added that are more connected to the TV series after each episode and as such will be referenced in the following weeks episode if people manage to complete them.(they would be world events like rift has)

I get that, and if Trion does start releasing tons of show-related content on a weekly basis, then later on down the line we may revisit Defiance the game to see if the interaction between it and Defiance the TV show has improved at all. But the game/show crossover material is still just one aspect of Defiance, and there are many other parts of the game that could use improvement besides introducing a stronger relationship between the two mediums.

I don't believe that is such a great idea. It seems to me that the game is relying way to heavily on the show to tell the story and the game is just there to say "hey remember this setpiece from the show well now you can play in it." The game lacks context for the lore it throws at you. I am in the 4th act and still have really no idea who or why they trashed San Fransisco other than "terra forming". I think that giving this game a better score when the show gets around to putting everything (the who, how and why) into context would be doing game journalism a huge disservice. Just my 2 cents anyways

Played only 20 minutes of the beta before I uninstalled from my PS3, boring as hell.
I'll admit I was intrigued by the whole concept but it fell flat on its face in delivering anything remotely entertaining.

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

Honestly the interaction between the show and the game isn't negligible. I was involved in the defiance testing since it started (Pre Alpha, Closed Alpla, Closed Beta (which was actually still Alpha), then open beta). The show missions just basically show how a character from the game moves to the show, or how a character from the show needs help in the game. The show and the game take place in two completely different (and distant) locations because of the wishes of the show producers. The writers didn't want to deal with people in the game doing things to upset the balance of the show.

Something that the OP didn't touch on with the review is that the game is separated into phases (shards) that change based on what all you have done in the world. The problem with this being that if you want to team up with some of your friends just starting the game, you will likely end up in different phases than they do.

Another thing that was disappointing to me is there is no real gear progression in the game. No reason to ever look for loot once you have a full set of the guns you like (there are about 5-8 different versions of every weapon type). They do not "level" or gain power, they will be just as powerful at Ego level 5000 as they were at Ego level 1. The only reason for continuing to loot is to continue gaining experience in the weapon specializations, which only give you minor boosts to your effectiveness with said weapon.

As to what that all means, to give an example. I was able to complete the entire game using the starting pistol, including being in the final area, killing the final boss, and at only Ego level 250 (far below the recommended ego level 800).

More or less what I expected. Another cookie-cutter MMO doomed with crappy questing and skinner-box mentality. It's doomed to mediocrity and, pretty soon, failure.

I'm most surprised that the thing that the reviewer enjoyed the most was the copy/paste Rift encounters from Trion's other game of the same name.

DVS BSTrD:

Neronium:
Hm, seems very very similar to Borderlands to me. It's the branching out skills thing that makes it seem like that to me. Still, I'd of thought that they'd make it a bit more flushed out rather than samey.

When I watched Bro Stream's playthrough on Youtube, the top comment was "Borderlands 3 sucks!"

Frostbite3789:
The score seems a bit low for the review that was given. A 2.5 out of 5 when no real negatives were given? Just that it doesn't live up to the premise and the shooting/objectives are kind of generic?

Edit: ESPECIALLY considering A:CM got a 3 out of 5. I mean c'mon now.

Just because there wasn't anything notably bad about the game doesn't mean there was anything worth raising the score for. Don't what the deal is with A:CM.

Edit: Well it turns out that review wasn't done by the same person. Different reviewers having different standards? SHOCKING!

Yeah, I can see how their standards differ so much that a buggy, broken ass game, that had false advertising would get a higher score than a generic third person shooter, with an interesting premise. Good observation!

"ark hunter" really? lol oookay Borderlands right there.
actually the idea is pretty neat. if anything I might give it a try (Redbox rental of course)

I've been wondering about how the game was supposed to effect the series, could anonymous potentially sway the show into some abscure path that the writers have trouble explaining?

Is enemy tagging a thing in here or is it like Guild Wars 2 where many people can attack an enemy and get XP for it? How is PVP handeled? Is it forced for some missions or entirely optional? Can it be soloed or do missions require players to team up?

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

Generic gameplay is generic gameplay, regardless of if their is interactions between TV show and game. This game just looks exactly like Borderlands, without the charm.

Newtonyd:
More or less what I expected. Another cookie-cutter MMO doomed with crappy questing and skinner-box mentality. It's doomed to mediocrity and, pretty soon, failure.

Hopefully the tv series follows suit as well (though seeing that this is clearly their pet project, syfy will no doubt trying to keep it going), as a nice little bit of ongoing revenge against syfy for the canning of Caprica and SGU. Because I just can't let these things go...:)

Bat Vader:
Is enemy tagging a thing in here or is it like Guild Wars 2 where many people can attack an enemy and get XP for it? How is PVP handeled? Is it forced for some missions or entirely optional? Can it be soloed or do missions require players to team up?

Yes if you hit a critter that someone else kills you get xp. PVP on the xbox consists of 2 maps for DM. 1 6x6 and 1 8x8. There is supposed to be a 3rd but it is currently broken and non existent (except for the daily rep contracts that want you to play it but can't). There is also Shadow War which is 32x32 capture and hold the control point. All of which is completely optional to the missions (but not to rep quests which are just challenges for a different useless currency). So far I have not been forced to group with anyone to do a main or side mission and infact most of the main quests end with a full solo mission. But if some random is doing the same quest as you (except the solo missions) if they activate the objective while you are there it will count for you as well. So you can finish a mission just by showing up at the right time. The only time you are forced to group is to do the 4 player co op missions (which again are optional but the best part of the game IMHO).

razer17:

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

Generic gameplay is generic gameplay, regardless of if their is interactions between TV show and game. This game just looks exactly like Borderlands, without the charm.

No not Borderlands. It is an MMO of EDF 2017 (with less orange and destructible buildings). Thanks to the PVP it will never be as rewarding as BL. You are stuck with the same gear from beginning to end with slight variations of reload speeds and rate of fire. Your starter gear is almost identical to end game gear. Only the color of the name changes

squid5580:

Bat Vader:
Is enemy tagging a thing in here or is it like Guild Wars 2 where many people can attack an enemy and get XP for it? How is PVP handeled? Is it forced for some missions or entirely optional? Can it be soloed or do missions require players to team up?

Yes if you hit a critter that someone else kills you get xp. PVP on the xbox consists of 2 maps for DM. 1 6x6 and 1 8x8. There is supposed to be a 3rd but it is currently broken and non existent (except for the daily rep contracts that want you to play it but can't). There is also Shadow War which is 32x32 capture and hold the control point. All of which is completely optional to the missions (but not to rep quests which are just challenges for a different useless currency). So far I have not been forced to group with anyone to do a main or side mission and infact most of the main quests end with a full solo mission. But if some random is doing the same quest as you (except the solo missions) if they activate the objective while you are there it will count for you as well. So you can finish a mission just by showing up at the right time. The only time you are forced to group is to do the 4 player co op missions (which again are optional but the best part of the game IMHO).

razer17:

ecoho:
you realy should have waited till after the first episode of the TV show to reveiw this game as most of what makes it unique comes from the suposed interacion between the two.

Generic gameplay is generic gameplay, regardless of if their is interactions between TV show and game. This game just looks exactly like Borderlands, without the charm.

Thank You for the information. I am interested in trying it but I think I will wait a few months till it goes down price.

No not Borderlands. It is an MMO of EDF 2017 (with less orange and destructible buildings). Thanks to the PVP it will never be as rewarding as BL. You are stuck with the same gear from beginning to end with slight variations of reload speeds and rate of fire. Your starter gear is almost identical to end game gear. Only the color of the name changes

ecoho:

Thank you for responding but i think you missed my point(or i worded it wrong if so sorry) they have stated that new missons will be added that are more connected to the TV series after each episode and as such will be referenced in the following weeks episode if people manage to complete them.(they would be world events like rift has)

Does promise of future content really change the fact that it's out now and they're charging money for it?

MarsProbe:

Newtonyd:
More or less what I expected. Another cookie-cutter MMO doomed with crappy questing and skinner-box mentality. It's doomed to mediocrity and, pretty soon, failure.

Hopefully the tv series follows suit as well (though seeing that this is clearly their pet project, syfy will no doubt trying to keep it going), as a nice little bit of ongoing revenge against syfy for the canning of Caprica and SGU. Because I just can't let these things go...:)

They've killed everything I've shown interest in, so I don't even bother. Though SGU seems a weird line to draw in the sand.

Something is wrong with the facebook comments so I'll try posting here.

There was no mention in the video of co-op missions, hotshot/rampage/time trials, achievements, or open world and instanced pvp. The game may be like Borderlands but that's not a bad thing, especially since Defiance has a lot more multiplayer content. The AI is less than brilliant but the mobs are still challenging in large groups and pvp is an addictive alternative. There aren't many mmofps games out there and this one does more things right than wrong.

I've had fun with it so far. The thing about MMOs is they are always or should always be in a state of growth. I'm positive they're going to add more and the baseline product is enjoyable. As for the link to the show: the game takes place in the Bay Area and the show is in St. Louis...so I'm not anticipating a meaningful level of crossover.

Frostbite3789:

WMDogma:

Frostbite3789:

Then if they're going to have them, the scores should at least be somewhat consistent.

I invite you to check out this article detailing info on our review scores.

Which then explained precisely nothing.

The number is meaningless and you shouldn't care. You should read it as "how much did THIS player enjoy playing THIS game." And none of the reviewers are you. Amongst a reviewer base of a handful of people, playing games that are all totally different from one another, expecting some kind of "uniformity" beyond the aforementioned fun-o-meter is an exercise in self-congratulatory browbeating to no actual gain.

TaboriHK:

The number is meaningless and you shouldn't care. You should read it as "how much did THIS player enjoy playing THIS game." And none of the reviewers are you. Amongst a reviewer base of a handful of people, playing games that are all totally different from one another, expecting some kind of "uniformity" beyond the aforementioned fun-o-meter is an exercise in self-congratulatory browbeating to no actual gain.

Alright...then they just shouldn't be included.

Frostbite3789:

TaboriHK:

The number is meaningless and you shouldn't care. You should read it as "how much did THIS player enjoy playing THIS game." And none of the reviewers are you. Amongst a reviewer base of a handful of people, playing games that are all totally different from one another, expecting some kind of "uniformity" beyond the aforementioned fun-o-meter is an exercise in self-congratulatory browbeating to no actual gain.

Alright...then they just shouldn't be included.

I agree, but it's also what a lot of the readership expects, I imagine.

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