Escapist Podcast: Bonus: Game of Thronescast, S3E3 and E4

Bonus: Game of Thronescast, S3E3 and E4

Warning: This podcast will contain spoilers for episodes 3 and 4 from Season 3 of Game of Thrones!

In this special bonus podcast, The Escapist crew talks about the most recent episodes of Game of Thrones - "Walk of Punishment" and "And Now His Watch Is Ended."

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Glad this got posted-- I love these GoT discussions and I can't wait to sit through this one.

A minor site/meta nitpick, though: The front page was taunting me with this podcast for at least 3 hours before the video was finally available. Before it was available, both the video page and this forum page just redirected to a 404 page. What was going on? CDN quirks?

Yeah same I kept refreshing the page waiting for it to become playable.

Up until this last episode I never really thought of Littlefinger as a major threat to the kingdoms. Sure he manipulated a lotta crap behind the scenes, but he never really made a play for power until little Sansa, all alone without a worthy suitor. I'm curious how this is going to develop, as I was kinda hoping she'd be crawling through the muck and backroads with Clegane at this point. That last scene with Daenerys and the unsullied, best scene this season so far. It could easily have been a season ender or mid-season cliffhanger for any other show. I hope she ends up on the front lines once the walkers finally start to invade. Dragon fire would make a crazy first salvo against the undead hordes, or a welcome saving grace.

Glad to see this is finally up properly, here's hoping it's working on iTunes also. Also, I'm very glad to see Alex back on the podcast crew for this one. He had excellent contributions to the discussion in the previous episodes he's been in!

Great podcast guys, looking forward to the next one.

As someone who has not read the books, I also thought that Margery is not a good person.
Not because of her crossbow scene with Jeoffry, that was a pretty obvious manipulation, but because of the fact that I only ever saw her once (the "I want to be the queen" scene) where I thought she was truthfull.
Right now she appears to be lying, all the time.
Her goal is power, that much is clear, and I understand what she is doing with Jeoffry and with the people, but I don't understand her plan for Sansa. Sansa can't marry Loras, because he is going to be a Kingsguard, is he not? So thats a lie.
But controlling Sansa may mean having some influence over the north, provided that Robb is defeated. So maybe thats her angle...

Margery is a great character, I love her, but I think Sansa is even less safe with her than she would have been with Littlefinger. Especially now that Margery can blackmail her with the whole "The King is a monster" thing. That was a bad move.
Sansa should really, really have gone with the Hound.
She has no business playing at politics.

Crystalite:

As someone who has not read the books, I also thought that Margery is not a good person.
Not because of her crossbow scene with Jeoffry, that was a pretty obvious manipulation, but because of the fact that I only ever saw her once (the "I want to be the queen" scene) where I thought she was truthfull.

Right now she appears to be lying, all the time.
Her goal is power, that much is clear, and I understand what she is doing with Jeoffry and with the people, but I don't understand her plan for Sansa. Sansa can't marry Loras, because he is going to be a Kingsguard, is he not? So thats a lie.
But controlling Sansa may mean having some influence over the north, provided that Robb is defeated. So maybe thats her angle...

Margery is a great character, I love her, but I think Sansa is even less safe with her than she would have been with Littlefinger. Especially now that Margery can blackmail her with the whole "The King is a monster" thing. That was a bad move.
Sansa should really, really have gone with the Hound.
She has no business playing at politics.

As someone who has also not read the books, here's my take on the situation: It's not a matter of Sansa being safer with Littlefinger, which she more than likely would, but remember what Varus told Olenna Tyrell about Littlefinger becoming very powerful and dangerous to the kingdoms if he and Sansa would get together. I'm assuming that Olenna understands this and told Margaery to fabricate this little lie to Sansa so that she'd turn down going with Littlefinger in hopes of being with Loras, therefore not giving Littlefinger the power he seeks from her.

At least, that's my theory.

EDIT: Also, I definitely think she made the right choice not going with the hound. I mean, we're seeing how things are going with him recently.

As someone who has also not read the books, here's my take on the situation: It's not a matter of Sansa being safer with Littlefinger, which she more than likely would, but remember what Varus told Olenna Tyrell about Littlefinger becoming very powerful and dangerous to the kingdoms if he and Sansa would get together. I'm assuming that Olenna understands this and told Margaery to fabricate this little lie to Sansa so that she'd turn down going with Littlefinger in hopes of being with Loras, therefore not giving Littlefinger the power he seeks from her.

At least, that's my theory.

EDIT: Also, I definitely think she made the right choice not going with the hound. I mean, we're seeing how things are going with him recently.

Thats a good theory I think. But I don't quite know what having Sansa would do for Littlefinger. Ostensibly, it could give him power over the Starks, but that did not work for Jeoffry, as Robb still went to war with him regardless. As long as Sansa remains in the capital she is a hostage of the Lannisters, and she has been told that Jeoffry will still regard her as his plaything. I don't know if anything could be worse for her.
And maybe Littlefinger just wants to get in her pants, which would still be better than Jeoffry, imho.
If she had gone with the Hound, she would be with the Brotherhood without Banners now. That doesn't seem so bad, they have been shown to be a righteous bunch, at least as far as we know. And she would be with Arya.

And Sansa believing the whole "we are sisters now" shtick just made me want to facepalm. That girl needs to learn her lessons.

Fugitive Penguin:
Glad this got posted-- I love these GoT discussions and I can't wait to sit through this one.

A minor site/meta nitpick, though: The front page was taunting me with this podcast for at least 3 hours before the video was finally available. Before it was available, both the video page and this forum page just redirected to a 404 page. What was going on? CDN quirks?

MMMowman:
Yeah same I kept refreshing the page waiting for it to become playable.

Sorry about that! I goofed up and had set the Thronescast to publish at 6, but had set it for the next day accidentally.

It was clear that Daenerys was playing him and knew everything Kraznys. Between my friends we were just betting on how he would die; Fire, Swear, Dagger and I remember at one point a good argument about Daenerys simply pushing him down some stairs. It would of be ironically funny.

Jaime losing his hand was the first really shock I have got in years. I genuine did not see it coming solely because that arm was his life or rather his whole character so losing it felt like I lost the his final battle to the death (as I saw him dieing in battle). In a way, I feel like I lost his come-upping (that's how you spell that right?) from the characters he wronged. Do you feel justified when characters suffer away from the ones they suffered at? Feel like I could of worded that better.

Regarding Tywin always being working when people go to talk to him:
I wonder what suuuuper huge event he could possibly be busy orchestrating at this point in the story..

The opening credits are like the best on tv!

I don't really like TV Mance though, he needs more trickery and merriment. I basically expected a personality somewhat like Wesley from Princess Bride. :/

Minor correction. Dany did not entirely sack Astapor. She tore off the shackles and left it in the control of a council of former slaves.
She liberates and rases Yunaki (next episode? ) which is where she gets the huge following of former slaves.

On the subject of Mel I am worried that they have rolled Edric and Gendry together which may hamper Gendrys arc but could allow him to be around much longer.

Glad that the 2 major beats of this season so far were absolutely nailed and only the Stannis story is really annoying in its changes.

I like the podcast but one constructive criticism I have to give is that they should have camera shots of everyone from chest up looking at a camera. The video right now looks kinda shoe horned and it is hard to see people's expressions due to lighting issues. It just doesn't feel as engaging when watching it.

Again love the podcast, small criticism. :)

Just wanted to say, that as a non-reader (don't judge me) I really expected Khaleesi to understand every word. After all, the subtitles were a strong hint (why the subtitles, when there is an interpreter "translating"), or maybe that's just me watching one too many tv shows, something just screams: here can be a big suprise.

btw. Susan picking on Jaime "Oh the kingslayer...", very creepy and unsettling :-)

The Escapist Staff:
Bonus: Game of Thronescast, S3E3 and E4

Warning: This podcast will contain spoilers for episodes 3 and 4 from Season 3 of Game of Thrones!

In this special bonus podcast, The Escapist crew talks about the most recent episodes of Game of Thrones - "Walk of Punishment" and "And Now His Watch Is Ended."

Watch Video

Aw, man! We had to stop watching a few minutes in because of the spoiler warning...

Y'know, since you have video now, you could maybe make a "Spoiler Hat," and someone puts it on when there are spoilers being discussed. That way, we can skip ahead to when we don't see the hat on anyone. Easy visual cue for when it's "safe"...

I wasn't certain if your guys had noticed, but since this episode confirms that we've got some Rome fans like me: Edmure Tully (the guy who kept missing with the fire arrow) is Brutus. I like how HBO is bringing in actors from their previous series... I can't wait for Pullo and Vorenius to show up!

Susan almost spoiled that which should not be spoiled once for me.

Boring as whale shit?! I mean sure, the Iron Islands stuff, Sam Stuff, and Brienne chapters are pretty slow but the rest was great. I found the Cersei and Jamie chapters to be extremely entertaining. I'd say it was about half and half for me. Half was pretty dull (but necessary for setting up other things) and the other half was extremely entertaining (even if not THAT much happens).

But ya, book 4 was definitely the more slow/frustrating book.

Edit: BTW, Ramsay knowing about the Stark children being alive is not an addition to the show. In the books, Ramsay disguises himself as Reek and pretends to be in service to Theon. He is the one who comes up with the whole miller boys plan.

I've liked Jaime's character for quite some time already actually. Coster-Waldau's face if just so trustworthy (like in Hodejegerne, any norwegians reading that might know what i'm talking about).

And i've not read the books, but i felt it was pretty obvious Daenerys knew what that guy was saying. And really when she said she would give away one of her dragons i was just like "dude, you're gonna get torched so bad". I really liked that she's coming into a badass role now and i'm curious what her actions are going to be right after this, but i get the sense that there's a timeskip in the future (could readers tell me if i'm right?) 'cause Arya needs to grow up and become an awesome assassin, and Daenerys needs to travel and grow her dragons.

Oh, and the podcasts are great. Love to hear other people talk about it who picked up some of the stuff i missed, and some stuff from the book that might fill in stuff or shed more light on character. Informative and entertaining, gotta love it!

I got a say I agree with Susan on the Daenyris point I was waiting for her to reveal that she knew the language from the the first subtittled line, and I did kind of see where her plan was going when she offered the dragon (but having not read the books I was taken aback by the scale of her plan)

Ulquiorra4sama:
I've liked Jaime's character for quite some time already actually. Coster-Waldau's face if just so trustworthy (like in Hodejegerne, any norwegians reading that might know what i'm talking about).

And i've not read the books, but i felt it was pretty obvious Daenerys knew what that guy was saying. And really when she said she would give away one of her dragons i was just like "dude, you're gonna get torched so bad". I really liked that she's coming into a badass role now and i'm curious what her actions are going to be right after this, but i get the sense that there's a timeskip in the future (could readers tell me if i'm right?) 'cause Arya needs to grow up and become an awesome assassin, and Daenerys needs to travel and grow her dragons.

Oh, and the podcasts are great. Love to hear other people talk about it who picked up some of the stuff i missed, and some stuff from the book that might fill in stuff or shed more light on character. Informative and entertaining, gotta love it!

Nope, no time skip. Dragons grow fast, and who said someone have to be old to be an awesome assassin *wink*.

Episode 4 was nothing short of amazing. And the the scene with Pod and the whores in episode 3 was the funniest thing I saw in months.


skip to 5:30.

Also:

NooNameLeft:

Ulquiorra4sama:
I've liked Jaime's character for quite some time already actually. Coster-Waldau's face if just so trustworthy (like in Hodejegerne, any norwegians reading that might know what i'm talking about).

And i've not read the books, but i felt it was pretty obvious Daenerys knew what that guy was saying. And really when she said she would give away one of her dragons i was just like "dude, you're gonna get torched so bad". I really liked that she's coming into a badass role now and i'm curious what her actions are going to be right after this, but i get the sense that there's a timeskip in the future (could readers tell me if i'm right?) 'cause Arya needs to grow up and become an awesome assassin, and Daenerys needs to travel and grow her dragons.

Oh, and the podcasts are great. Love to hear other people talk about it who picked up some of the stuff i missed, and some stuff from the book that might fill in stuff or shed more light on character. Informative and entertaining, gotta love it!

Nope, no time skip. Dragons grow fast, and who said someone have to be old to be an awesome assassin *wink*.

A man thinks the skills of a Faceless Man are not so easily acquired :P

The dragons growing quickly was something they pointed out in the show, but like Daenerys herself pointed out i didn't think they were growing fast enough. Nice to know they're not doing a skip then 'cause it means we don't lose a whole bunch of events that would've happened during that time.

RedDeadFred:
BTW, Ramsay knowing about the Stark children being alive is not an addition to the show. In the books, Ramsay disguises himself as Reek and pretends to be in service to Theon. He is the one who comes up with the whole miller boys plan.

CORRECT! I forgot that ploy was his in the books. My mind had become muddied a different Ironborn telling Theon the plan in the show but you're right Ramsay does know what really happened. Come to think of it, it's weird that's never mentioned in the dealings afterwards in ADWD.

Greg Tito:

RedDeadFred:
BTW, Ramsay knowing about the Stark children being alive is not an addition to the show. In the books, Ramsay disguises himself as Reek and pretends to be in service to Theon. He is the one who comes up with the whole miller boys plan.

CORRECT! I forgot that ploy was his in the books. My mind had become muddied a different Ironborn telling Theon the plan in the show but you're right Ramsay does know what really happened. Come to think of it, it's weird that's never mentioned in the dealings afterwards in ADWD.

Not sure. I know he has men searching for them in ASoS but after that I think he just gives up and assumes they're dead or long gone. I can't remember if he even bothered to tell his father.

Commenting as I listen, so the following might seem a bit chaotic.

I really, really loved the character portrayal of Jaime and Brienne. It really shows that Jaime now greatly respects Brienne, particularly since they crossed swords. Up until he loses his hand, that's the one thing he truly respects above all else, swordsmanship and your fighting prowess as a whole. I'm definitely looking forward to more scenes with the two of them, particularly how the rest of the arc plays out. Going from "Jaime is evil" to "he's actually a decent guy" was a very gradual process for me: it started when he saved Brienne from rape, and the "what would Tyrion do" moment in the books really won me over.

About the chain... I too was disappointed that they took that away from Tyrion. I understand the costs behind it, but couldn't they have used CGI? Or a model? Just wondering, I have no idea how realistic that would look, or what the costs would be. I'm just going from a story perspective, here.

Regarding the Theon plotline, I'm in the process of finishing book 3, and there's a Robb chapter in which Lord Bolton says that Theon has been captured by his bastard and that he's going to hold him in the Dreadfort. He even goes so far as to skin the finger off one of his little fingers and sent it to Robb and Catelyn. So we do know something's going on.

Not too surprised about the TV series diverging from the books in the future. And like Susan, I'm also hoping they'll diverge about Catelyn. I just read the whole "OMG" chapters last night, and I was FLOORED, big "OMGWTFBBQ." I'm not going to spoil that either, and I'm really glad you didn't spoil it either: like Bdcjacko, I truly think that it should never be spoiled.

Heh, when you guys talked about Robb being nursed back to health by Jeyne Westerling, it's not the Stockholm syndrome, it's the Nightingale effect (named for famous nurse Florence Nightingale). Just putting that out there. :) Her family was indeed a Lanister vassal, they're from the Crag.

The Queen of Thrones played by Diana Rigg? Absolutely freakin' awesome!!! More Tyrell scenes, definitely! I'm hoping that'll be the case when the Martells ride into King's Landing for the wedding, that should be great to see.
My sense about Margaery is similar to pretty similar to what you stated. Natalie Dormer is spectacular, I was very impressed by how masterful her performance was (I mean, I liked her in The Tudors, but...meh). In the books, her deviousness was less apparent because you all saw it through Sansa's eyes, and I'll admit that I didn't quite catch on to the Tyrell deviousness at first. You had to read between the lines of Sansa's chapters and cross reference it with Tyrion's chapters.

Glad you talked about Varys' crate! That definitely wasn't the book, and the entire scene, I was wondering what that was all about. Definitely well paced, a very powerful scene.

I agree with Tito, I think Melissandre is going to get Edric Storm. Which is weird, because in the book, they had him with them the whole time after Storm's End. Agreed with Alex on Stannis' portrayal, I was a bit disappointed as well: in the book, Stannis does his duty. That's who he is, duty above all.

Super pleased with Daenarys' scenes!! She definitely looked and felt like a queen, a commander, someone who deserves respect and obeisance. It was so great to see her come into her own, and feel well... Queenly!

Clearly you guys don't read all the comments, as I wrote about last episode about the actor playing Julius Caesar in Rome also playing Mance Rayder. ;) And yes, I'm going to join Susan on one count: Jon Snow needs to close his mouth and cut his hair, drives me crazy!!

Mumorpuger:
I wasn't certain if your guys had noticed, but since this episode confirms that we've got some Rome fans like me: Edmure Tully (the guy who kept missing with the fire arrow) is Brutus. I like how HBO is bringing in actors from their previous series... I can't wait for Pullo and Vorenius to show up!

Which I also pointed out here. XD

Crystalite:
Thats a good theory I think. But I don't quite know what having Sansa would do for Littlefinger. Ostensibly, it could give him power over the Starks, but that did not work for Jeoffry, as Robb still went to war with him regardless. As long as Sansa remains in the capital she is a hostage of the Lannisters, and she has been told that Jeoffry will still regard her as his plaything. I don't know if anything could be worse for her.
And maybe Littlefinger just wants to get in her pants, which would still be better than Jeoffry, imho.

It's actually a bit more complex than that. Everyone believes that Bran and Rickon are dead, that Arya's lost (hence dead as well). As long as Robb doesn't have a child of his own, the heir to his throne, to Winterfell is Sansa. Therefore, if anything happened to Robb, Sansa and her husband would inherit Winterfell.

Definitely looking forward to more Game of Thronescast! Was great to have Alex back too!!

 

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