It's Time For Mortal Kombat vs. Everyone Else

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It's Time For Mortal Kombat vs. Everyone Else

Yahtzee thinks that Mortal Kombat needs to team up with more unique franchises than just the DC Universe.

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This edition of XP made me laugh harder than any I can remember. Bravo, Yahtzee. I would totally play MK vs. David Bowie, so long as Jareth was the final boss and the crotch bulge functioned in the manner that you describe.

Excellent article. I would play any one of those games. Although I am definitely leaning towards the Game of Thrones fighter, mainly for the same reasons Yahtzee is (that whiny, little tosser needs to die).

Capcom needs to get the stick out of their ass and crossover with Mortal Kombat. Think of the Fatality potential...

Wait wait wait, looking at that Les Miserables fighting game screenshots. Is that Mecha-Jean Valjean firing eye lasers at Eponine? I'd say it was the most surreal thing I've ever seen, but it's not even the most surreal thing on that webpage. Oh Japan, shine on you crazy diamond.

I think the focus on "triple A" is fundementally wrong.

"Triple A" is just games with a lot of money thrown in. That's ALL. You don't need a lot of money to make a fighting game good cause what it flourishes on is things that can be cheaply provided. This is why the original ST2 Turbo is STIL being played in tournaments.

Fighting games are mainly a Japanese genre. In Japan the smaller, more niche-driven model is alive and well. You can NOT expect these games to have triple A budgets and to merely ignore them because of their not being triple A or to even look at the genre from a triple A perspective is utterly ignorant and shortsighted.

If you want a "new" fighting game, give Blazblue a chance. It's not "triple A" but it has beautiful HD sprites and a ton of single player content as well as good online play. It also has an ACTUAL storymode. Not the token story you mention in the article. (it has that too, it's aptly called "arcade mode", a mode different from "story mode" which is 20+ hours of content)

I would play the shit out of a DC Vertigo fighting game. I lost it at this line though:

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Personally I'd like to play as John Constantine, whose fatality would presumably just entail making friends with his opponent.

And every time Death kills you, you get her catchphrase:

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remnant_phoenix:
This edition of XP made me laugh harder than any I can remember. Bravo, Yahtzee. I would totally play MK vs. David Bowie, so long as Jareth was the final boss and the crotch bulge functioned in the manner that you describe.

I feel that Jareth is more suited to a 3d plane. Just imagine it, the non-euclidean, impossible to navigate staircase room brought to life.

The mor I think anout it, the more a Les Mis figting game makes sense. Jean Valjean would be a slow moving heavyweight, there's the drunken master in Thenardier, etc etc.

Now You're just being silly.........But David Bowie would be awesome.

Well, to be honest there was a boom of attempts to create differant fighting game franchises out there for a while but most of them wound up dying, despite having some interesting ideas. In the game "Pray For Death", Death (in this case the Grim Reaper) is the final boss, the idea of that one being a bunch of beings fighting in a once in however long it ticke's Death's fancy tournament for a chance to come back to life. The cast included everything from a Bruce Lee clone to Great Cthulhu (yes, really) as playable fighters. The problem was that most of them were dialed in and the guys doing it, didn't put the love, polish, and attention to detail into them that Capcom, SNK, and Midway did.

There is room for new fighting franchises, but it would take a surprising amount of work to do right, and that's something most game companies and developers don't want to get involved in.

That said just in terms of crossovers, there is still a lot of potential to be had in the "fanboy dream" of Street Fighter Vs. Mortal Kombat, which it still surprises me has not happened yet.

Also as far as fighting games go, I've always thought it would be kind of cool to do something like "Mortal Kombat Vs. The Real World", liscencing would be difficult though I suppose. Back in the day you had relatively normal guys fighting in this tournament (and I guess you still do). It would be amusing if you dragged up the usual cast of baddies and then had a team of real fighters, the guys who might be sent to represent earth if this actually happened, as the rest. Pick a few of the more long running and dominant UFC guys, a couple of Chinese or Japanese tournament champions, maybe a Pro-Wrestler or two for Lulz ("he's for real, but has to pay the bills you see... like Johnny Cage"), maybe the current heavyweight champion of the world (but the person doing that would likely expect such a huge payday it would be doubtful). To me that would be a really amusing idea if done like a fighting game, rather than a sports game. I mean in theory if some kung-fu guy from a temple was the dominant force in Mortal Kombat, I suppose with the current reality fighting obsession you could probably sell some of the guys out there now in a similar role (purely for fun).

I know I'm going to catch SO much shit for this, but I'd actually play a MK vs. Iron Chef, just for the sheer fucking absurdity of it. Well, being formerly addicted to the show doesn't hurt either.

Zer0Saber:
Now You're just being silly.........But David Bowie would be awesome.

Not as awesome as a fighting game featuring nothing but characters from ultra-sweet 80s and 90s family sitcoms. I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one who wondered who would live if the entire cast of Full House was freaked out on psycho-drugs and locked in a steel cage while starving... or what would happen if you put a timed exploding collar around the necks of Tracy Gold from "Growing Pains" (Mike's sister), and Jessie from "Saved By The Bell", tied their arms together with barbed wire and then revealed that the disarm key for their respective collars with in the stomach of the other girl... I mean truthfully I suspect we'd wind up with Bob Sagat wearing a patchwork mask made out of the faces of DJ and Mario Lopez when all the fights were done... but it would be entertaining.

... oh what was this about again... oh yeah... fighting games... they should make a fighting game out of this. It's not like I've put a lot of thought into it or anything (but still if some game company exec wants to call me....). :)

Hey, MK vs. Iron Chef might work. I mean, have you seen Cooking With Scorpion?

You had me in stitches. Well done sir. Well done.

There have been fighting games with all-new characters lately, like Skullgirls. Fighting games just tend to be a bit of a niche market, so as long as older series keep staying alive, there's less room for newcomers.

I would LOVE to see Jesse Custer throw down with Sub-Zero. Or Cassidy, hell, he's a vampire already, he's practically meant for a Mortal Kombat game.

I actually announced very loudly (probably too loudly) "WHAT? I MEA... WAIT, WHAT?" when I saw the Les Miserables fighting game. I thought you were joking, Yahtzee! I THOUHGT YOU WERE JOKING!!!

OT: Yeah, sadly there's not a lot of room for more 2D fighters, but this does give me an opportunity to bring up my latest addiction, even though it is kind of what Yahtzee was talking about with sticking to characters that everybody knows:
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"There have been no fighting games with all-new characters (in triple-A releases, at least) for quite some time..."

What about Blazblue? The first game in that series came out 2008, so it's not exactly brand new, but it's an original fighting game IP that was made in this generation. I daresay that Blazblue: Calamity Trigger and Street Fighter 4 are responsible for fighting games coming back for this gen.

I just want to point out that David Bowie played Nikola-fucking-TESLA on Christoper Nolan's "The Prestige".

So yeah, I really wanted him to kick Raiden's ass, and then use him as an generator of free wireless electricity for the world.
"Thunder God? I am the man of the future!"

Well, I wasn't expecting Yahtzee saying good things about a genre that isn't his cup of tea. Still, I am glad. Points for him since that is not an easy thing to do for most people.

I specially liked this: "While I personally am not particularly lubed up by the gameplay of 1v1 fighters, one thing I do appreciate about them is that they are essentially a celebration of characters."

Gearhead mk2:

"There have been no fighting games with all-new characters (in triple-A releases, at least) for quite some time..."

What about Blazblue? The first game in that series came out 2008, so it's not exactly brand new, but it's an original fighting game IP that was made in this generation. I daresay that Blazblue: Calamity Trigger and Street Fighter 4 are responsible for fighting games coming back for this gen.

Well, technically, Blazblue is in its third sequel. But it still is a fairly new fighting game and each edition continues a big plot so it is a must see.

I am curious abou of what he would say about Skullgirls. I am afraid too since I am a fan of the game.

Zer0Saber:
Now You're just being silly.........But David Bowie would be awesome.

All the Bowies would be awesome! Just think of the implications of the different versions of David Bowie fighting each other, like Ziggy Stardust vs. The Thin White Duke.

Big_Boss_Mantis:
I just want to point out that David Bowie played Nikola-fucking-TESLA on Christopher Nolan's "The Prestige".

So yeah, I really wanted him to kick Raiden's ass, and then use him as an generator of free wireless electricity for the world.
"Thunder God? I am the man of the future!"

Damn, you beat me to it! Bowie as Tesla was a boss in The Prestige! And there's a Venture Brothers joke here somewhere; I just can't think of it now.
These ideas are hilarious and ludicrous, Yahtzee, and we need to get the word to WB Games and Nether Realm Studios NOW!

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Mortal Kombat vs. David Bowie

Okay, bear with me on this one. The standard sort of alternate universe tossery happens and the Mortal Kombat crew invade the real world, but when Shang Tsung attempts to pilfer the soul of David Bowie, it fractures into every identity the popular singer has ever had. And so the roster is filled by such characters as the Thin White Duke, Aladdin Sane, Ziggy Stardust and Major Tom. The final battle would of course be against Jareth the Goblin King, whose alarmingly prominent crotch bulge is simultaneously his weak spot and his special attack.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! And don't forget that he played Nikola Tesla in The Prestige, too!

Yeah, i think Iron chef vs Mortal Kombat would work

As for Game of Thrones vs Mortal Kombat, well i can definitely see it working but i can see two problems:

1. I shudder to think what Melisandre's fatality would be

2. Joffrey would basically be to the game what Vaan was to Dissidia: Everyone's punching bag.

because fighting games are kind of an essential part of the console local multiplayer experience

Which is precisely why they're dying on their arses - because developers and console makers increasingly see console local multiplayer as the spawn of Satan. It's online or bust, and fighting games - particularly at mid- to high-level - need too much timing precision to make that viable. This is of course a shame; because while there's obviously a deal of personal gratification in showing your superior skills by capping some guy in CoD, it's nothing compared to the fun and mutual joy to be had by the precisely timed slap-the-buttons-on-your-mates-controller manouevre that's been the bread and butter of MK for decades.

And there's only one MK-vs game left that needs to happen. And we all know what it is, and we all know that on the day it happens Satan will be skating to work.

Death is much too nice to be the final boss of a fighting game.

Sadly, outside of Street Fighter has a small community outside of Japan. But a good fighting game that was released barely a year ago (if even that), Persona 4 Mayonaka Arena. Sure the characters aren't original, but it's the first time they've been in a fighting game. The problem I have with Netherealm is their fighters were always a little clunky when compared to games like Blaz Blue. I wouldn't want to see a Capcom/Netherealm though, Capcom/Tekken was bad enough, I don't want to imagine how they'd cross up with Netherealm.

I would totally buy MK vs David Bowie.

They'd have to bring back Babalities, though.

Gearhead mk2:

"There have been no fighting games with all-new characters (in triple-A releases, at least) for quite some time..."

What about Blazblue? The first game in that series came out 2008, so it's not exactly brand new, but it's an original fighting game IP that was made in this generation. I daresay that Blazblue: Calamity Trigger and Street Fighter 4 are responsible for fighting games coming back for this gen.

True that the story and characters are interesting (I would love to see more Hazama style villains) and I love them as well (i've been trying to emulate Tomokazu Sugita's voice for a while) but it is also convoluted and insane. Mori-san has kind of written himself into a trap given the time loop of the past games and the arcade endings have not made it any better

I doubt Yahtzee will review it as Blazblue is notorious for hard to execute combos and general difficulty in addition to his general aversion and lack of precident on 2d fighters (this is the first time i've seen him review one). Calamity trigger tried to close the gap but another one of Arc System's games was more simple in mechanics: Persona 4 Arena.

The auto combo gets people into the game and the input time frame is larger than in Blazblue so it's easier to get combos out. Plus, the story and characters were already written out in the RPGs so you get much of the development done

I would like to propose a crossover that may satisfy everyone: Guilty Gear x Blazblue x Marvel x DC x Mortal Combat x Capcom. make it a 3v3 with all of the individual mechanics from overdrives to x factors to Astral Finishes to Fatalities intact and modify the capcom style cutscenes into super flashes and you have game that will satisfy everyone, even the old timers.

P.S. Is that Makoto Nanaya with rockets instead of tonfas on her arms?!?!?!

Yahtzee forgot one aspect of David Bowie, the Nikola Tesla role he played in The Prestige. Fatality, he clones you and the clone kills you.

Izanagi009:
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True I guess. The plot arcs in BB are fairly convoluted and difficult to understand, like with any multi-timeline story. That said, I would like to see Yhatzee try and make sense of it and see what he thought of the characters, if only to see his reaction to Hazama. I would love to see that mega-crossover by the way. I'm still hoping Ragna will show up in Sony Smash Bros. And no, this is just a sprite edit I found on deviantart. It's sill tonfas, it's just she's wearing a proper shirt instead of half a sports bra.

Gearhead mk2:

Izanagi009:
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True I guess. The plot arcs in BB are fairly convoluted and difficult to understand, like with any multi-timeline story. That said, I would like to see Yhatzee try and make sense of it and see what he thought of the characters, if only to see his reaction to Hazama. I would love to see that mega-crossover by the way. I'm still hoping Ragna will show up in Sony Smash Bros. And no, this is just a sprite edit I found on deviantart. It's sill tonfas, it's just she's wearing a proper shirt instead of half a sports bra.

Yeah, I would be fun to see his reaction to Hazama, it would be shock, admiration, or just a simple "that's Japan for you"

Ragna is sadly nerfed in Chronophantasma from what i heard, his damage is reduced basically. (They can never balance Ragna well) Well, there still is Jin and Hakumen in the top tier.

If i recall, the Blazblue series is not a Playstation exclusive, Arc system works is in close collaboration but i'm not sure if that's good enough justification and I don't know how well his controls and combo emphasis will transfer to the arena style of Battle all-stars.

For a sprite edit, it's pretty good though i would argue that the "southern hemisphere" as the Japanese call it is part of her personality (she is a free spirit who does what she likes) and a good source of the comedy in the game as illustrated in the " Please help me, Professor Kokonoe" bit (next to Hazama's cat allergy, Ragna's fear of ghosts, Noel's REALLY bad cooking and Platinum's oppai lust)

Disregarding the token story mode all we usually have to go on is the way the characters look, how they animate, and the little things they say mid-fight, and this is usually done by making all the characters fairly distinct and exaggerated in those three aspects. It's very raw characterization. It can make a new character engaging and interesting, and it can provide a new way to appreciate a character you already know and like as they are distilled into their simplest form.

I can sum up the best example I know about what Yahtzee's talking about here in one word: Skullgirls.

Grahav:

I am curious abou of what he would say about Skullgirls. I am afraid too since I am a fan of the game.

It would lead to him bad-mouthing it and a swarm of angry fans that regularly watch the weekly Salty Cupcakes stream starting a riot. Remember, it had an Indiegogo campaign that made over 829K.

VS Brutal Legend / Double Fine (think of the "stacking" boss fight(s)

I'm waiting for a "guile's theme goes with everything - zero punctuation".

MK vs. Touhou. It's already had a fighting game made of it. It's got a huge pile of unique and distinct characters. And it's weird enough that nobody will blink an eye at another universe showing up on their doorstep for a battle royale.

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