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hentropy:

Izanagi009:

hentropy:
Personally I'm just tired of Evangelion as a topic of discussion. I mean, the jokes write themself. Harem-mecha anime with the main character being the whiniest whiner in whine town, and he's whining about driving giant robots and saving the world. It was deep and unique back in 1995, there have been dozens of anime now that have done it better.

I guess people still want to talk about it because it was a major moment for a lot of anime fans (me included) to see a show that had the sort of, in my opinion, nihilism, hatred towards humanity (especially the otaku Anno hated), and brutality inflicted on the characters both mentally and physically. Other shows may have done it better, Psycho Pass did the nihilism of society thing to a good extent and some of the gundam shows after Eva did the character perspective and trauma better, but Evangelion was the show that kicked off this wave of dark and spiteful anime and people will always talk about the big game changer.

I watched Lain and GitS before I watched NGE, and by that time NGE looked relatively simple, almost looking like a pale imitation of what the others were trying to pull off, despite it coming before either of the anime series (although GitS was a manga at the time).

I read the GitS manga and really liked it and its messages on transhumanism. I wouldn't say Evangelion was simple but that the method of expressing their messages were different. Eva went straight for the throat with dark imagery, violence, and mental damage that drove many into depression based on anecdotal evidence . GitS i would say went for a more subtle approach, presenting a world filled with the technology and issues while having a good amount of quiet moments to allow people to sit back and think about what they saw.

Both methods have their own issues and strengths but they each are valid methods of presenting the points made.

(i'm starting to think that these forums are not the best place to have these types of debates)

Alright, who got mad? Seriously, I want to meet these people who took offense to a bi-weekly comic strip.

Pinkamena:
*Incoherent screaming of Evangelion fans in the distance*

Aaah... The sound of justice.

I'm a fan and I'm laughing.

Aptspire:
The best one, imo, is the razor.
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What's kind of funny is that this from Rebuild 'cos Mari's there. Yet what strikes me is that now Gendo has shaved and is smiling, I can sort of get why Yui Ikari might have been attracted to him.

Though what Asuka, Mari and Rei want with a good razor is a subject best left alone lest the police get involved.

shadowmagus:
Alright, who got mad? Seriously, I want to meet these people who took offense to a bi-weekly comic strip.

Especially since the joke is actually really funny.

Animu is serious buisnes!... gotta make that money right?

Desert Punk:

Izanagi009:
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Actually advertising during anime has been going on for a while, and still goes on.

One of the biggest examples I can think of is that Dominos the pizza place helped fund the creation of Code Geass, so when CC was obsessed with Pizza, she was always eating out of a Domino's box. For some strange reason though they removed the Domino's references from the actual animation when they imported it and dubed it in america. I have seen product placement in other Anime as well from time to time.

And if I recall correctly hollywood has been doing the same thing since the 80s, so dont worry, its not just us nerdly folks that are getting the purse strings treatment :P

I thought it was Pizza Hut that was in Code Geass and promoted to an insane level with cheese-kun becoming a meme.

As for the purse string thing, the better example would be the game industry we know and love/hate. All of the talk about DRM, on-disc DLC, and other consumer unfriendly habits exist because publishers know that there are a strong number of people who will still buy the game regardless of what happens afterwards and we get stuck with disasters like Simcity as a result.

This isn't advertising in anime, by the way, this is the use of anime assets to advertise products, some of which have no connection. It's bad enough that we have product placement in anime but the use of the assets in the real world is just discomforting and also off in a way.

....That strip is genius....

Well done, good sir, well done.

Aptspire:
The best one, imo, is the razor.
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Gendo smiling... it scares me.

People took ISSUE with that last comic? Jeezus christ I thought you had filmed me watching it and made a parody.
I was feeling quite honored.

Doritos ruin everything... first video game journalism, now Eva. There is nowhere safe.

Izanagi009:

Desert Punk:

Izanagi009:
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Actually advertising during anime has been going on for a while, and still goes on.

One of the biggest examples I can think of is that Dominos the pizza place helped fund the creation of Code Geass, so when CC was obsessed with Pizza, she was always eating out of a Domino's box. For some strange reason though they removed the Domino's references from the actual animation when they imported it and dubed it in america. I have seen product placement in other Anime as well from time to time.

And if I recall correctly hollywood has been doing the same thing since the 80s, so dont worry, its not just us nerdly folks that are getting the purse strings treatment :P

I thought it was Pizza Hut that was in Code Geass and promoted to an insane level with cheese-kun becoming a meme.

As for the purse string thing, the better example would be the game industry we know and love/hate. All of the talk about DRM, on-disc DLC, and other consumer unfriendly habits exist because publishers know that there are a strong number of people who will still buy the game regardless of what happens afterwards and we get stuck with disasters like Simcity as a result.

This isn't advertising in anime, by the way, this is the use of anime assets to advertise products, some of which have no connection. It's bad enough that we have product placement in anime but the use of the assets in the real world is just discomforting and also off in a way.

You are absolutely right! I knew it was a big pizza chain but my brain seems to have made the wrong connections on that one!

As for the rest of it, I cant help but agree, though I am not overly uncomfortable with their use in unrelated products, as well...you know how many transformers toys I got from mcdonalds thanks to happy meals? :P

You must have been reading a different comment box than I, as most of the ones I saw were either:

Saying Evangelion sucks.
That the joke was already used in the comic about it before.
Talking about something that had nothing to do with either.

Just because something is advertised to hell and back doesn't take away anything from the series: it's just an indicator of its popularity. I mean, those Rei love-pillows (and the whole sexualisation of Rei) is completely the opposite sort of reaction Anno was going for when he created the character.

As much as I love the series, the jokes about Shinji being a whiny bitch are completely deserved

i'm sorry i don't really care for or about evangelion. so stopped reading after the first panel to ask where you got those awesome hello kitty slippers.
those slippers are crazy awesome. the comic would not have worked without them.

I honestly have NO idea who Shinji is supposed to be portraying, seriously spineless daddy issues V.S. Giant mecha Pilot is not even remotely a contest, I'll give him being freaked out about the whole thing for maybe the first five minutes or so of battle but after his first victory he should have been all in on that shit not whining and wimping out at every available opportunity and that's just the mech side of the equation. there's what 4-5 girls in the series that try to get with him or at least give him the opportunity and he is just utterly clueless about them and any progression he makes at all as a character is immediately reverted to pre-eva shinji at the very first opportunity or with no reason at all in a jarring shift that would drop the transmission out of most cars

A) Now Just want some Doritos.
B) I picked up some Evangelion lighters when I was in Japan :D
C) ... I need to poop.

Holy shit that was briliant...
Scott Kurtz would aprobe of this shit.

This is probably the most aptly titled strip since that mutliple meaning one about Erin's boss being a lesbian but not really. :P

Yeah no! The people defending Shinji's angst, his complete and utter refusal to do anything at all, the self-centered defeatist attitude, his complete self-absorption and his daddy issues. Not to mention the new creepy rape tendency he got in EoE. Just no. You can't defend that. Not even with "It's supposed to be that way", "You aren't supposed to like him" or "The character is made to reflect a reluctant hero figure". Watch episode 25 and 26, they pretty much encapsulate all the problems with the character.

The way he is just never gets justified, yeah daddy issues great, now grab your balls of the nightstand and man up the world is about to be destroyed, you can mope and jack off to comatose women after it is saved.

If there is any part of Evangelion that needs to be ridiculed until it loses all comedic value, it is Shinji. Along with Asuka, the most subtle* character ever written we are all supposed to like and nobody in the show ever takes issues with. Shinji at least has the added benefit of being called out on his bullshit once or twice.

Nice comeback G and C.

I think I can One Up everyone else here, if you known what it is, congratulations, you have spent enough time on the internet to lose most of your soul :)

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If you want they have the other female types as well. Sadly ladies and gents no Shinji version.

Oh, and let's not forget the mousepads with the 3D tits "wrist cushions"
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1337mokro:
Yeah no! The people defending Shinji's angst, his complete and utter refusal to do anything at all, the self-centered defeatist attitude, his complete self-absorption and his daddy issues. Not to mention The new creepy rape tendency he got in EoE. Just no. You can't defend that. Not even with "It's supposed to be that way", "You aren't supposed to like him" or "The character is made to reflect a reluctant hero figure". Watch episode 25 and 26, they pretty much encapsulate all the problems with the character.

The way he is just never gets justified, yeah daddy issues great, now grab your balls of the nightstand and man up the world is about to be destroyed, you can mope and jack off to comatose women after it is saved.

If there is any part of Evangelion that needs to be ridiculed until it loses all comedic value, it is Shinji. Along with Asuka, the most subtle* character ever written we are all supposed to like and nobody in the show ever takes issues with. Shinji at least has the added benefit of being called out on his bullshit once or twice.

Nice comeback G and C.

god yes, about the only time i liked either of these idiots is when they try to kill each other

Nothing is beyond merchandising, so I'm not seeing the relevance, much less ownage.

Never did see Evangelion either though. I figured that regardless whether or not it's full of symbolism and philosophy, I've never known either of those to become more interesting when espoused by and around whiny angsty teenagers. Quite the opposite.

I almost feel bad for the sort of people who would get mad enough over the previous strip to fire off an angry nerd rage e-mail. Almost.

Not to be a whiny bitch, which apparently anyone who dares to criticize a joke criticizing something else seems to be by default, but isn't practically all popular media merchandized to hell and back?

To be fair, if you write off anything that has merchandizing, what the fuck is left?

But yeah, NGE does not hold up as well, it was revolutionary at the time and inspired much better anime/manga, but it was clearly rushed at the end.

Japan has the opposite problem that American media has, Japan tend to cut things short when they start to show signs of losing popularity while we tend to milk that shit for all it's worth.

As someone who is not by any stretch an anime fan ( But I've seen some of the big ones like FMA:B ) I have a question. Just how much does marketing effect anime? I know there are certain anime shows that exist to pander like High School of the Dead, but in a broad sense is it really that driven by merchandise?

Those slippers are adorable Grey. Well done on the art today Cory. :)

As for the topic......I don't care enough. It's not that I don't care, but I just don't care enough. Probably why I didn't quite "get" the comic at first.

Ishal:
As someone who is not by any stretch an anime fan ( But I've seen some of the big ones like FMA:B ) I have a question. Just how much does marketing effect anime? I know there are certain anime shows that exist to pander like High School of the Dead, but broad sense is it really that driven by merchandise?

Anime is crazy big in Japan, it is in the same sense that big blockbusters in the US have merchandizing. When Star Wars episode 7 comes out, how much do you want to bet Burger King will have characters on the packaging? Or McDisgustings or Taco Bell?

Gordon_4:

Mind you, its an interesting thought; can something be both deep and meaningful AND a commercial franchise at the same time? Rei, Asuka and the Evangelions are anime icons now, and it would be remiss of any company not to cash in that; especially since Evangelion merchandise is popularly responsible for basically resurrecting Studio Gainax. I myself contributed by buying (at vastly inflated prices), Evangelion action figures.

In this case I don't think the rampant commercialism undermines any of Evangelion's messages, whatever you think of them, but now I have this funny idea that perhaps in the show, part of Nerv's operational budget was from this merchandise and the thought of Shinji shilling a happy meal is just comedy gold.

Well played, Grey, well played.

Judging by how every single "deep and meaningful" piece of work that isn't covered by copyright has been blatantly used for advertisement purposes at least once... yea, you can.

Just consider Carmina Burana's Oh Fortuna. It arguably is one of the better pieces of music Orff has written, but that hasn't stopped anyone from using it as (free) dramatic background music.

RJ 17:
Oh, and let's not forget the mousepads with the 3D tits "wrist cushions"

I have not much appreciation for anime, a decided reluctance to buy merchandise of any kind, and a positive hatred of obvious pandering, and yet... I'd buy that mousepad. It's just that wrong.

I feel like any food branded with Eva would taste like tears

valium:

Ishal:
As someone who is not by any stretch an anime fan ( But I've seen some of the big ones like FMA:B ) I have a question. Just how much does marketing effect anime? I know there are certain anime shows that exist to pander like High School of the Dead, but broad sense is it really that driven by merchandise?

Anime is crazy big in Japan, it is in the same sense that big blockbusters in the US have merchandizing. When Star Wars episode 7 comes out, how much do you want to bet Burger King will have characters on the packaging? Or McDisgustings or Taco Bell?

The fast food chains had Star Wars stuff plastered all over everything when Phantom Menace came out, I see no reason why it won't be the same again, you're right. I just never really watched anime as a hobby like a lot of my older friends used to. I just saw what was on Toonami and adult swim. I wondered how much the anime industry marketed to the Otaku culture.

This comic was pretty funny though. I hear all the time that there are deep meaningful anime shows out there, and I'm sure there are. However, when someone says one of those shows is something like One Piece I can't take them seriously. Its got like 400 episodes now... (yeah its deep if it takes that much to tell a story) but I get that filler arcs take up the space. I don't know anything about Evangelion other than its about some kid with problems in a giant mecha fighting giant monsters called "angels".

And here, I always thought Evangelion was all about Puberty...

Weird eating habits, societal pressure to be someone you aren't sure who yet, changes in your physical form, changing of your perception (noticing girls/boys) sexual undertones in... everything.

So people are getting excited and upset of preteen going through puberty.

How... squick

RJ 17:
Oh, and let's not forget the mousepads with the 3D tits "wrist cushions"
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Dear mother of God. >_>

This in easily the best thing you have ever done. It was not only funny, it was funny at the expense of Evangelion fans. You can't put a price tag on that.

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