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Never judge an IP by it's marketing department.

Otherwise we'd have to say Cloverfield was great.

Nah though, what is it with Japan and those creepy spunk sponges anime cushions?

I think this comic would be significantly improved if someone Photoshopped Geoff Keighley between the bags of Doritos.

OtherSideofSky:

Are they? I'm pretty sure people are applauding his trolling and being an asshole. Almost every other post is some Eva fan pointing out that it isn't an argument, which really makes me question if any of them have a sense of humor.

They don't, they are far too deep for that.

I laughed out loud, i'm still laughing.

Well done.

I look at Evangelion fans and I see a bunch of obsessive, over-analyzing pseudo-intellectuals trying to justify their praise with made-up themes and symbols. I look at Evangelion-haters and I see a pack of elitist hipsters hating on something for being popular and trying to justify that hatred by elevating trash above Eva. And me?

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JMPease21:
As much as I love the series, the jokes about Shinji being a whiny bitch are completely deserved

I say if you can't make fun of something you love, you can't truly love it because you can't see it clearly. And Eva is easier to mock than most.

Desert Punk:
One of the biggest examples I can think of is that Pizza Hut the pizza place helped fund the creation of Code Geass, so when CC was obsessed with Pizza, she was always eating out of a Pizza Hut's box. For some strange reason though they removed the Pizza Hut's references from the actual animation when they imported it and dubed it in america. I have seen product placement in other Anime as well from time to time.

There are FCC rules about advertising in media, so when it aired in America the Pizza Hut logo may have had to have been removed. I don't know, however, I watched the DVDs, where the logos are in place, remaining true to the creators' original vision.

Rakor:
As I recall, the project of the original evangelion was pretty much The Producers. As in grabbing a crazy guy to write an anime they know will flop so they can rake in insurance or w/e. And all the religious references were just there to look cool. Then it turned out to be cool.....

I am reminded of this big book of religious interpretations of See Spot, See Spot Run, Run Spot Run....

If by "a crazy guy" you mean "co-founder of the company", and by "anime they know will flop so they can rake in insurance" you mean "due to the success of Evangelion, Gainax's treasurer committed tax fraud to the tune of several million dollars in an attempt to shore up the company's eternally shaky finances" (that's the only money-related thing I know about Eva, anyway), then yes, you're correct.

hentropy:
I watched Lain and GitS before I watched NGE, and by that time NGE looked relatively simple, almost looking like a pale imitation of what the others were trying to pull off, despite it coming before either of the anime series (although GitS was a manga at the time).

Don't say it, Dr. Cakey, don't say a damn thing against Ghost in the Shell or the other posters will eat you alive...

Evangelion gets a shit ton deeper when you start looking at it from different angles rather than just general mass entertainment. For example its probably one of the best aids you could have in studying/demonstrating psychological ideas and theories that doesn't involve a trip to the mental hospital or scarring dozens of students for life.

I can both appreciate this, but it also pisses me off to no end if only because I knew people did this kind of thing to win arguments. All. The. Time.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ahahaha

aha

ah....

I laughed out loud in a library thanks to this. My anime loving friend is so getting this linked to him. XD

Delicious Fluffy low road.. I like it

This is a troll move worthy, perhaps not to stand side by side with, but at least be in the shadow of End of Eva. Nice one guys. Not to mention, the number of times you've written comics about it (especially Erin's reaction at the end of the last one) seem to indicate that you at least like the series, so you seem to have some seriously myopic readers. But what else is new?

Though, to be honest, I'm really surprised at the general tone of discussion. Eva is deeper than most shows (anime or live action) but it's not that hard to understand, so I don't get why fans are constantly going "It's sooooooo deep, you just don't get it!" (and the people who are saying the "actually this is what it means/ is about" whenever anyone makes a joke) or haters saying "EVERYTHING IN IT MEANS NOTHING IT SUCKS I HATE IT!"

Like, damn people. I saw it all one time, and while the last 2 episodes were certainly a weird presentation, it didn't blow my mind with rage or pretentiousness. It's a show that was good enough to stand its (so far short) test of time is all.

Also, on the subject of Shinji, am I the only one who didn't wind up wanting fire him out of a cannon into the sun? I mean, he not admirable, but he's interesting and I just feel bad for the poor guy. His life kinda blows.

1337mokro:

TheFinalFantasyWolf:

Gordon_4:

Right now I can't decide if its a sex doll or some kind of ice tray for drink bottles. Could go either way on this one.

Considering it says something along the lines of "Link connected lotion" in the left bottom corner of the box, I'd say you're closer with the sex doll/toy theory. 0_0

You are indeed very warm with the last guess.

Searching up the image results in it being called an "Onahole"
Carrying on with my new lead, I came across this video:

Using my detective powers, I'm going to say that it is some sort of fake vagina?

Mocmocman:

1337mokro:

TheFinalFantasyWolf:

Considering it says something along the lines of "Link connected lotion" in the left bottom corner of the box, I'd say you're closer with the sex doll/toy theory. 0_0

You are indeed very warm with the last guess.

Searching up the image results in it being called an "Onahole"
Carrying on with my new lead, I came across this video:

Using my detective powers, I'm going to say that it is some sort of fake vagina?

DING DING DING!!!

CORRECT!!! We have a winner! It's basically a fleshlight without it's container.

It is an Evangelion Ona-hole! Shaped like one of the characters body... no not shaped like one of the character's vaginas, literally shaped like one of the characters bodies. How you are supposed to use it remains a mystery to me given that it looks like it will hurt horribly given that the orange part is the part where you are supposed to stick it in.

You also get kudoos for finding the German without shame Ona-hole review, the German makes it extra special :D

PS: I might be wrong about the German nationality, but the speech is German.

Evangelion... I bought the DVDs when I was about 16 and watched the hell out of them. Back then, I thought it was an incredibly deep story with a character I could sympathize with. Now that I'm 28, I can't even stand to look at anything Eva related. The deep story just comes across as pretentious and the main character is a whiney brat.

I guess the difference was that I was able to relate to Shinji when I was a spoiled 16 year old who thought life was hard just because the girl I loved didn't love me back and my parents were divorced. Now I'm just a mildly disappointed adult that gets frustrated with teenage characters very quickly. Maybe that's why I don't get into JRPGs anymore. =/

I get that it was the 'low road' taken in this retort, but, sure there is a tonne of merchandising, and certainly the girls of Evangelion have become objects of male adoration, however these things have nothing to do with the story itself, just as the mountains of commercial dross which accompany any other pop culture phenomenon. I don't believe that the fans of Asuka and Rei et al necessarily engage with the Evangelion the TV, manga and movie series deeply; rather, it is the designs contained within.

Evangelion is built on Symbolism. The creepy cool cross-shaped explosions, for example. The main bridge area being called the "Central Dogma" is another. The enemies are called Angels are probably the most blatant. Heck, the main theme is called "Cruel Angel Thesis".

The kicker? Those were chosen because "I thought they were cool" at the time. Just fan boys being fan boys. Finding subtext where there is none is their specialty.

This is dumb, the low road taken here actually only boosters fanboy arguments because the divide between commercial and high art in Japan does not exist. Twin Peaks had a similar (though not as large) commericlization and weird by products. It's running internet joke for Christs sake of showing weird spin off products Japan makes of things.

See A Clockwork Orange Milk commercial and toyline

Eppy (Bored):
...I shouldn't be surprised that those love pillows exist. That said:

*horror*

My childhood. Why.

Because teh rei is everyone's waifu.

Or if we have to be literal, Ayanami Rei really is one of the first anime characters that hordes of people developed an obsessive crush over.

Here, allow me to destroy your sacred childhood further.

These are what are known as the "Fruits Punch" Evangelion figures. Because the only thing that Evangelion really needed were lolis in swimsuits. Say hello to loli Rei and Asuka.
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Don't you want to own one? It is deep. Just like Evangelion.

I feel brainy just looking at it.

Please don't someone ban me for linking to these images. I didn't make them and they don't technically qualify as porn!

Of course, the first, "mature" point actually makes sense, and is pretty much what I figured the artist/writer duo were going for when writing the initial comic. Sadly, the "cheap shot" second half doesn't fair so well. Since branding and merch does absolutely nothing to invalidate the artistic merit of the original material, to make such an implication, even in an attempt at humor, kind of comes off as a poor rebuttal. I'm sure that logical failing will be reflected in the comments. In light of that, it sort of made me wince and chuckle at the same time.

Sheo_Dagana:
Evangelion... I bought the DVDs when I was about 16 and watched the hell out of them. Back then, I thought it was an incredibly deep story with a character I could sympathize with. Now that I'm 28, I can't even stand to look at anything Eva related. The deep story just comes across as pretentious and the main character is a whiney brat.

I guess the difference was that I was able to relate to Shinji when I was a spoiled 16 year old who thought life was hard just because the girl I loved didn't love me back and my parents were divorced. Now I'm just a mildly disappointed adult that gets frustrated with teenage characters very quickly. Maybe that's why I don't get into JRPGs anymore. =/

Uh, I feel like you kind of missed the point of a few things. Evangelion isn't mind blowing or anything, but it is clearly poignant and shows complexity in the characters. Just because you pulled yourself up by your bootsraps doesn't mean the psychoanalysis of Shinji's character isn't an interesting dissection in and of itself, and there's clearly more to his character than "whiny spoiled teen". I mean the Oedipal themes alone pretty much hit you in the face like a brick, along with several other prominent psychological themes like parents using their children vicariously and DID.

So when are the Grey and Cory ergonomic mouse pads coming out?

axlryder:
Of course, the first, "mature" point actually makes sense, and is pretty much what I figured the artist/writer duo were going for when writing the initial comic. Sadly, the "cheap shot" second half doesn't fair so well. Since branding and merch does absolutely nothing to invalidate the artistic merit of the original material, to make such an implication, even in an attempt at humor, kind of comes off as a poor rebuttal. I'm sure that logical failing will be reflected in the comments. In light of that, it sort of made me wince and chuckle at the same time.

[The Joke]-------------->

[Your head]

The cheap shot is entirely a joke at the expense of anyone who'd miss the humor in this comic or (especially) the last one by trying to dissect the actual "message". and in doing so they drew attention to the disconnect between the actual Anime and its messages, and the marketing of the anime. They aren't saying it invalidates Eva, just pointing out that for a series that attacked the Otaku culture it certainly panders to it a whole fuckton. And that absurdity is funny.

IndieGinge:

axlryder:
Of course, the first, "mature" point actually makes sense, and is pretty much what I figured the artist/writer duo were going for when writing the initial comic. Sadly, the "cheap shot" second half doesn't fair so well. Since branding and merch does absolutely nothing to invalidate the artistic merit of the original material, to make such an implication, even in an attempt at humor, kind of comes off as a poor rebuttal. I'm sure that logical failing will be reflected in the comments. In light of that, it sort of made me wince and chuckle at the same time.

[The Joke]-------------->

[Your head]

The cheap shot is entirely a joke at the expense of anyone who'd miss the humor in this comic or (especially) the last one by trying to dissect the actual "message". and in doing so they drew attention to the disconnect between the actual Anime and its messages, and the marketing of the anime. They aren't saying it invalidates Eva, just pointing out that for a series that attacked the Otaku culture it certainly panders to it a whole fuckton. And that absurdity is funny.

[My comment] --------->

[your head]

yes, I understand the humor there. They're bating. That's why it made me "wince and chuckle at the same time".

axlryder:

IndieGinge:

axlryder:
Of course, the first, "mature" point actually makes sense, and is pretty much what I figured the artist/writer duo were going for when writing the initial comic. Sadly, the "cheap shot" second half doesn't fair so well. Since branding and merch does absolutely nothing to invalidate the artistic merit of the original material, to make such an implication, even in an attempt at humor, kind of comes off as a poor rebuttal. I'm sure that logical failing will be reflected in the comments. In light of that, it sort of made me wince and chuckle at the same time.

[The Joke]-------------->

[Your head]

The cheap shot is entirely a joke at the expense of anyone who'd miss the humor in this comic or (especially) the last one by trying to dissect the actual "message". and in doing so they drew attention to the disconnect between the actual Anime and its messages, and the marketing of the anime. They aren't saying it invalidates Eva, just pointing out that for a series that attacked the Otaku culture it certainly panders to it a whole fuckton. And that absurdity is funny.

[My comment] --------->

[your head]

yes, I understand the humor there. They're bating. That's why it made me "wince and chuckle at the same time".

My comment was over the fact that you still went after their presentation of that merch like it was an actual rebuttal, while it's clearly just them laughing at their critics. I have a feeling though that right now we're both suffering from some form of mis-communication. In which case

[WordsWordsWords]------------------------------------------------------------->

[Our heads]

IndieGinge:

axlryder:

IndieGinge:

[The Joke]-------------->

[Your head]

The cheap shot is entirely a joke at the expense of anyone who'd miss the humor in this comic or (especially) the last one by trying to dissect the actual "message". and in doing so they drew attention to the disconnect between the actual Anime and its messages, and the marketing of the anime. They aren't saying it invalidates Eva, just pointing out that for a series that attacked the Otaku culture it certainly panders to it a whole fuckton. And that absurdity is funny.

[My comment] --------->

[your head]

yes, I understand the humor there. They're bating. That's why it made me "wince and chuckle at the same time".

My comment was over the fact that you still went after their presentation of that merch like it was an actual rebuttal, while it's clearly just them laughing at their critics. I have a feeling though that right now we're both suffering from some form of mis-communication. In which case

[WordsWordsWords]------------------------------------------------------------->

[Our heads]

The joke was that in the progression of my comment I pointed out the "logical error", then pointed out that obviously everyone was going to talk about said error who might vehemently defend eva, and then coming to the realization that that was the mischievously crafted point of the whole thing. Thus the "wince and chuckle bit". But yes, I'm sure I could have phrased it much better to reflect that looking back on it.

axlryder:

IndieGinge:

axlryder:

[My comment] --------->

[your head]

yes, I understand the humor there. They're bating. That's why it made me "wince and chuckle at the same time".

My comment was over the fact that you still went after their presentation of that merch like it was an actual rebuttal, while it's clearly just them laughing at their critics. I have a feeling though that right now we're both suffering from some form of mis-communication. In which case

[WordsWordsWords]------------------------------------------------------------->

[Our heads]

The joke was that in the progression of my comment I pointed out the "logical error", then pointed out that obviously everyone was going to talk about said error who might vehemently defend eva, and then coming to the realization that that was the mischievously crafted point of the whole thing. Thus the "wince and chuckle bit". But yes, I'm sure I could have phrased it much better to reflect that looking back on it.

Eh, it's fine. Just the internet. I was probably a bit rude with the first joke, though the intent was more for a sort of visual/textual mix of humor. Your joke was a bit too dry however, it was close enough in tone to someone who "was" actually complaining about Cory and Grey's "rebuttal" that I mistook it for such a comment. Oh if only there was a joking font, right?

IndieGinge:

axlryder:

IndieGinge:

My comment was over the fact that you still went after their presentation of that merch like it was an actual rebuttal, while it's clearly just them laughing at their critics. I have a feeling though that right now we're both suffering from some form of mis-communication. In which case

[WordsWordsWords]------------------------------------------------------------->

[Our heads]

The joke was that in the progression of my comment I pointed out the "logical error", then pointed out that obviously everyone was going to talk about said error who might vehemently defend eva, and then coming to the realization that that was the mischievously crafted point of the whole thing. Thus the "wince and chuckle bit". But yes, I'm sure I could have phrased it much better to reflect that looking back on it.

Eh, it's fine. Just the internet. I was probably a bit rude with the first joke, though the intent was more for a sort of visual/textual mix of humor. Your joke was a bit too dry however, it was close enough in tone to someone who "was" actually complaining about Cory and Grey's "rebuttal" that I mistook it for such a comment. Oh if only there was a joking font, right?

I like dry when it's done right. If done better, it straddles that line that allows for misinterpretation without being unfair. I like straddling. Straddling....

What were we talking about?

As someone with absolutely no stake in Neon Genesis Evangelion, may I just say,

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!

That is all.

IndieGinge:
[WordsWordsWords]------------------------------------------------------------->

[Our heads]

That's what I got out of that conversation.

Mocmocman:

I have fallen in love.


He is perfect. I will win his love. We must marry.

While I agree that you can't judge art/entertainment by the merchandising and product placement created for it, I do think you can at least partially judge it's fanbase by these things.

For example, from this:

RJ 17:
Oh, and let's not forget the mousepads with the 3D tits "wrist cushions"
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I can guess than Evangelion fans have very delicate sensitive wrists.

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That or they like to pretend they're smothering women to death with their mouse.

Any anime that gets popular is going too have corporate tie-in products.
This has absolutely no bearing on how "Deep" an anime is, it's just business.
If a super dense anime about the works of Marx and his way of thinking about the world full of long intellectual banter and hypothetical language got super popular, you can bet they'd slap a Chibi Kawaii bearded communist on a hamburger package. Wait.. someone has probably already done that.

I would've gotten mad at the people E-Mailing you about your previous strip in anger. Except, without them I would not have received this glorious strip. Soo, I'm glad for nerdrage. I guess.

I would've gotten mad at the people E-Mailing you about your previous strip in anger. Except, without them I would not have received this glorious strip. Soo, I'm glad for nerdrage. I guess.

OlasDAlmighty:
While I agree that you can't judge art/entertainment by the merchandising and product placement created for it, I do think you can at least partially judge it's fanbase by these things.

For example, from this:

RJ 17:
Oh, and let's not forget the mousepads with the 3D tits "wrist cushions"
image

I can guess than Evangelion fans have very delicate sensitive wrists.

.

That or they like to pretend they're smothering women to death with their mouse.

To be fair, such breast-enhanced mousepads exist with a number of different anime/videogame characters.



Treaos Serrare:
I'll give him being freaked out about the whole thing for maybe the first five minutes or so of battle but after his first victory he should have been all in on that shit not whining and wimping out at every available opportunity

Actually, he doesn't whine and bitch at every moment and when he does it is somewhat justifiable.

4th angel: Overcomes his fear and kills it despite being ordered to retreat
5th angle: Comes much closer to killing him than the previous two so his emotional condition during that fight is justifiable, IMO
6th-11th angels: I actually do not recall Shinji whining or complaining to any extent during these battles.
12th angel: He is literally trapped inside the angel, can do nothing to escape, and nearly suffocates to death.
13th angel: Lets see...one of his best friends, Toji, is trapped inside EVA 05, and Shinji can only watch helplessly as EVA 01 viciously rips it apart and nearly kills Toji (or in the manga actually does kill him).
14th angel: Despite all the shit that happened to him in the previous fight, he willingly returns to fight and defeat the 14th angel.
15th angel: Results in Asuka becoming a vegtable
16th angel: Results in the death of Rie
17th angel: After becoming friends with Kawouru he is force to kill him. Its important to note that at his point all the people close to him with the exception of Misato, are either dead, comatose, or have moved away due to most of Tokyo being in ruins after the 16th angel fight.

So yeah Shinji can be excessively whiny and annoying at times, but considering how fucked up his life can get at times I can't say I always blame him.

Treaos Serrare:
there's what 4-5 girls in the series that try to get with him or at least give him the opportunity and he is just utterly clueless about them

There's really only 3

Rei- incapable of reciprocating any kind of feelings
Asuka- Definition of a bitch and hate's his guts at times
Misato- 10+ years older than him and is his guardian

Not exactly candidates for a healthy sexual relationship and I have no memory of them giving him the "opportunity", at least none that I would consider consensual.

Treaos Serrare:
and any progression he makes at all as a character is immediately reverted to pre-eva shinji at the very first opportunity or with no reason at all in a jarring shift that would drop the transmission out of most cars

Yeah as much as I defend Shinji, even I'll admit that that the whole "one step forward three steps backward" routine can get pretty annoying. I'm hoping that by the end of EVA 4.0 Shinji will have made actually made some progress without losing it all, though 3.0 didn't exactly paint a pretty picture. I swear by the end of that film his mental condition was worse than it had ever been in the TV series.

xdiesp:

Izanagi009:
that will leave many trying to understand what Anno was trying to say and do

Anno is first and foremost talking to his people, otakus from a couple decades back. Gainax and old makers do that, planting references and breaking the 4th wall. Of course if one is not an old otaku from the 70-80s, he won't appreciate that, but that's within his rights!

Also, neither he nor other famous comic makers have any qualm about "art" being what they're doing. They are content with making their job skillfully, for people who love it. Only wannabe think they can make the big jump once someone recognizes that magically their crap has turned into arrrrt.

I guess that's what's great about Hideki Anno, he made what he believed was best for the series at heart and ignored ignorant fanboy outrage flung towards him. And when people started sending death threats, he decided to troll them both by making End of Evangleion and by actually putting the death threats in the movie.

He is a true artist and one who i wish there are more of

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