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Cheap shot, guys, real cheap shot. Japanese advertising in general is completely nutballs nonsensical. According to Japanese advertising there's an ongoing war between Tommy Lee Jones and a fucking dog (I think). They love to reference popular characters in their ads regardless of any logical context (or even permission, at times).

Understanding that this wasn't supposed to be an overly intellectual exercise to begin with, I see where you were coming from; and the fact that a violent psychopath and an emotionally dead homunculus have become sex symbols of anime is pretty hysterical...this just seemed so...well...cheap.

I suppose it is arguable that you tried to make the honest point -fifteen years: no character growth- and so now the cheaper point is deserved, but y'all are better than that.

BTW: I loved the first comic about NGE so much...the one about Gendo Ikari being objectively the best dad ever: hilarious.

Aptspire:
The best one, imo, is the razor.
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Well you could use it to slice your own wrists to escape Shinji's misery
If you can't for some reason stop watching it, that is

Redlin5:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ahahaha

aha

ah....

I laughed out loud in a library thanks to this. My anime loving friend is so getting this linked to him. XD

Did your laughter reminded this?

Pinkamena:
*Incoherent screaming of Evangelion fans in the distance*

Aaah... The sound of justice.

Best served with a side of tears, my good sir. Could I interest you in any?

OT: Now if only Gary could parody everyone who compares everything giant robot with Eva... X3

IndieGinge:

Though, to be honest, I'm really surprised at the general tone of discussion. Eva is deeper than most shows (anime or live action) but it's not that hard to understand, so I don't get why fans are constantly going "It's sooooooo deep, you just don't get it!" (and the people who are saying the "actually this is what it means/ is about" whenever anyone makes a joke) or haters saying "EVERYTHING IN IT MEANS NOTHING IT SUCKS I HATE IT!"

It isn't as deep as people say perhaps, but when you get people who genuinely think it is about nothing more than giant robots, clearly it has gone over some peoples heads. It's the equivalent of saying The Matrix and Fight Club are about fighting.

It seems to be one of those series where the "haters" hate it more because of the annoying fans, than anything to do with the actual thing itself, and like to trash it just to annoy those fans. The whole NGE thing strongly reminds me of Valve fans/haters in fact.

Although in this case, people really need to get how Grey's humour works, it should be kind of obvious by now. I didn't find the joke funny, but it's still pretty obvious that it is a joke.

Also, on the subject of Shinji, am I the only one who didn't wind up wanting fire him out of a cannon into the sun? I mean, he not admirable, but he's interesting and I just feel bad for the poor guy. His life kinda blows.

I agree, and that's another thing a lot of people don't seem to get. When you look at what he has to deal with, and has had to deal with in the past, it really shouldn't be that surprising that he is a little messed up.

Shinji's life blows, but he reacts to that by being an unlikable spineless moron, and not by rising to the occasion like, say, Simon from Gurren Lagann (whose life sucks more, arguably, because he lives underground and has to dig tunnels with a fucking HAND DRILL).

EVA in general had a fucked up nonsensical plot that ultimately ends up going to a Gainax mindfuck ending. Some people thought it was deep, other that it was fucking idiotic. I turned off the series at ep 1 because I fucking hated Shinji. That the series went on to kill the other, more likable characters an end in a stupid wau proved me right for tuning out.

But, each to his own.

I've been a huge fan of Evangelion and still say it's one of the most culturally important works in anime, but it is always refreshing to see great comics take the piss out of it. Love all of these.

The pillows though, they'd get made regardless of what the show was about.

Oddly enough, Evangelion is one of the well regarded animes I haven't watched yet. I probably should.

It took me a minute to notice the slippers.

Zero=Interrupt:
Shinji's life blows, but he reacts to that by being an unlikable spineless moron, and not by rising to the occasion like, say, Simon from Gurren Lagann (whose life sucks more, arguably, because he lives underground and has to dig tunnels with a fucking HAND DRILL).

EVA in general had a fucked up nonsensical plot that ultimately ends up going to a Gainax mindfuck ending. Some people thought it was deep, other that it was fucking idiotic. I turned off the series at ep 1 because I fucking hated Shinji. That the series went on to kill the other, more likable characters an end in a stupid wau proved me right for tuning out.

But, each to his own.

See, I think this is why I don't get the hate for it. I don't have an instant adverse reaction to "unlikable" characters, which apparently, lots of people do. I like to see them learn and change (or crash and burn), and it's very easy for me to empathize with even characters who do despicable things, if they aren't just pure evil or do shit solely because they're douches.

It does weird me out that so many nerds who, as a general rule tend to like deconstructions, turned on Evangelion, as it's just going "Oh, you want a show about kids who fight monsters in giant robots? Well, I'll give you that, but let's also show you that being a child soldier fucking blows, and have some fucked up reasons why it needs to be children, since no group of good people would ever force children to fight a war and be mankind's last hope." I figure people would appreciate the realism, but I guess a lot of people just want vapid escapism. (There's nothing wrong with vapid escapism, it just bothers me that people tend to get, like, angry whenever they're confronted with something that actually wants to make a point, or say something besides "Look at this fucking cool shit! That's fucking awesome!". When people can't appreciate something that's good, even if they don't like it, it bothers me. /endrant.)

Though, as an existentialist, watching Shinji take so damn long to realize what I think of as truths about life as a human being got more than a bit tedious. I can only imagine how much it would suck if you actively hated him, and it'd be even worse if you didn't like/believe/understand the philosophy the show was getting at towards the end. But it's clear they were doing it for the art to a degree, so I stand behind it, as there aren't enough shows that do that.

Grey Carter:
Evangeliowned

You can (not) handle these cheap shots.

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Merchandizing, and the fact that the show's director said outright that a lot of the symbolism was intentionally shallow aside, it is still clear that you just don't get it.

Evangellion is a reaction to the legions of shows that have some protagonist male who leaps out of the womb with complete agency and a perfect handle on his life and where he's going with utter immunity to any wrong doing or having anything actually bad happen to them because plot armor. Shinji's thrown into an impossible situation where he can't say no or else he's a massive asshole, and if he goes along with it he's just doing the most agonizing thing possible, and gets to do it over and over, and the people who he protects because of it will just resent the shit out of him because he didn't get everything perfect.

And the only reason he even survives half the time is completely outside of his own ability or power. In the mean time every time his robot takes a blade to the head, gets an arm ripped off, or gets decapitated, he's feeling every second of it. The character makes perfect sense, he's just not someone immediately likeable. God forbid.

No, the show isn't really that deep. Yes, you still don't get it, and that's pretty sad because the show's pretty shallow. It just has a lot to say about a lot of things.

Pinkamena:
*Incoherent screaming of Evangelion fans in the distance*

Aaah... The sound of justice.

I dunno, I feel kind of bad for any fanboy that defends the clusterfuck that was 3.33, the same way I'd feel sorry for someone deciding to go at a tank with a kitchen knife.

Are rabid evangelion fans the evangelicals I hear about so much in the lamestream liberal media?

The original TV series was very well done.

Not going to comment on whether it's "meaningful", but it was a great piece of well told fiction.

Didn't watch the new movies past the first one after I found out that they changed Asuka's characterisation.

I don't get it.

Edited for content: I mean I don't get the "pwnd" part. Doesn't every piece of art get the merchandise treatment?

the best part of all this advertising is everyone is assumed dead, or is in a ocean of LCL. except for kaji, cuz hes dead as fuck.

me personally, i'd keep the dorito bags around for the sentimental value. as for rei's tittie-wrist-resters, im better off without them. or who knows, they could work for all their worth. and that shaving ad is hilarious, but i couldnt tell you the difference between razors.

The point is clear:

even if you like EVA, no need to be butthurt about a comedy webcomic

I've never been a big fan of the you just don't get it "defense".

....

Why does the last picture not surprise me? Have I been on the internet too long?

acosn:

Grey Carter:
Evangeliowned

You can (not) handle these cheap shots.

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Merchandizing, and the fact that the show's director said outright that a lot of the symbolism was intentionally shallow aside, it is still clear that you just don't get it.

Evangellion is a reaction to the legions of shows that have some protagonist male who leaps out of the womb with complete agency and a perfect handle on his life and where he's going with utter immunity to any wrong doing or having anything actually bad happen to them because plot armor. Shinji's thrown into an impossible situation where he can't say no or else he's a massive asshole, and if he goes along with it he's just doing the most agonizing thing possible, and gets to do it over and over, and the people who he protects because of it will just resent the shit out of him because he didn't get everything perfect.

And the only reason he even survives half the time is completely outside of his own ability or power. In the mean time every time his robot takes a blade to the head, gets an arm ripped off, or gets decapitated, he's feeling every second of it. The character makes perfect sense, he's just not someone immediately likeable. God forbid.

No, the show isn't really that deep. Yes, you still don't get it, and that's pretty sad because the show's pretty shallow. It just has a lot to say about a lot of things.

This, sort of. I'm also willing to wager that a lot of the marketing of Evangelion has more to do with Bandai/King Records/Revoltech/Sega and/or who else has licensing rights to the franchise than it does with Gainax/Anno. The show is both deeper than naysayers profess it is and shallower than supporters would like to think. The original Evangelion series deconstructed Super Robot tropes by infusing them with Real Robot elements and examining the real world implications there of, while also exploring the greater implications of common anime story elements at the time. That is what Gainax does and has always done. The fact that lots of anime that came afterwards borrowed heavily, or outright copied, from Evangelion doesn't detract from the point that the series was trying to make.

I can't help but feel that a lot people who criticize Evangelion for what it was trying to do are unaware of classic anime like Tetsujin 28, Giant Robo, Mazinger Z, Dancougar, Ideon, Yamato, Getta Robo, Combattler V,the other Go Nagai works, UC Gundam, etc...

Sseth:
You pointed out that a popular show is being cash cowed for money, but to say that this detracts from the actual show is an argumentative fallacy because we live in a day and age where everything is cash cowed (Star Wars was made to market toys, for goodness sakes).

I don't get it, why is everyone heralding you as a comical genius? It's nice sure, but the reaction stinks of rows upon rows of brown noses. Ironic considering the accusations towards overzealous fans. (Don't get me wrong, it's still a funny strip lol).

As a disclaimer, I haven't even watched Evangelion and don't really plan to.

Here's the difference: Star Wars was always known to be a marketing whore, and no one is in denial about that fact.

Yet fans of Evangelion will insist to you that their show is ALL about its depth and how it has cultural influence. It's not the marketing that makes it bad, it's that people insist that the show above all others and how it wouldn't "stoop" to the lows of another series, yet they rush to the "well, everyone does it" defense as soon as someone points out that there's a Rei mousepad, not to mention the disturbing existence of body pillows for many of the female cast members.

Basically, it's hypocrisy. Their show resorts to all the same gimmicks as other shows and shouldn't be criticized for that, but at the same time it's also some kind of god-tier work of art that no other show can match. Can't have it both ways, kids.

Nicolaus99:
Like any other fandom, fans shouldn't take it too seriously. Star Wars... Kinect. Evangelion... love pillows. My Little Pony... Cupcakes. We all have our burdens to bear.

That's not the worst of the My Little Pony fandom. Not by a long shot.

Go Google "Lyra plushie". That will be enough to get you started into the "bad end" of the fandom.

CriticKitten:
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Yet fans of Evangelion will insist to you that their show is ALL about its depth and how it has cultural influence. It's not the marketing that makes it bad, it's that people insist that the show above all others and how it wouldn't "stoop" to the lows of another series, yet they rush to the "well, everyone does it" defense as soon as someone points out that there's a Rei mousepad, not to mention the disturbing existence of body pillows for many of the female cast members.

Basically, it's hypocrisy. Their show resorts to all the same gimmicks as other shows and shouldn't be criticized for that, but at the same time it's also some kind of god-tier work of art that no other show can match. Can't have it both ways, kids.

Like who?

I have quite literally never seen anybody show the kind of attitude you describe. Most fans of the series are likely to be much more knowledgeable about the amount of merchandise available than those who are not. Unless you are suggesting that non-EVA fans spend more time looking up EVA merchandise than the people who actually like the show.

This strikes me as one of those made up arguments like all of the people who claim Valve fans keep talking about how amazing Gordon Freeman is as a character.

acosn:

Merchandizing, and the fact that the show's director said outright that a lot of the symbolism was intentionally shallow aside, it is still clear that you just don't get it.

Yes, you still don't get it, and that's pretty sad because the show's pretty shallow.

I find it funny how many people claim he doesn't get it, while simultaneously not getting the fact that Grey is a satirist and is not trying to make serious points. The irony is almost too much.

The fact that Grey has decided to make three comics about a 15 year old anime, despite the multitudes of relevant topics to choose from would suggest that he likes the show. Not forgetting that satire is often focused on things that are close to the heart. After all, if you have personal experience with something, it is a hell of a lot easier to make fun of it.

If this has already been posted then soz, but it's quite literally the funniest EVA "abridged" style parody that exists on the internet and pretty much sums up (plus goes a million yards further :P) than Erin's comic.

The shot-selection/timing isn't on-par with TeamFourStar but it is VERY close, I think I cracked a rib or two during these.

Pinkamena:
*Incoherent screaming of Evangelion fans in the distance*

Incoherent screaming of support. I'm a fan, but I like the snarky tone of these two magnificent basturds. Critical Miss would not be the same without them.

Stay classy you two!

LazyAza:
For anyone who thinks Evangelion to be "deep and meaningful" I recommend these reviews:
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-neon-genesis-evangelion-death-and-rebirth/
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-the-end-of-evangelion/

Bennet White aka Sage, pointed out everything wrong with the series and the films far better than I or anyone else ever has, and did so in a very entertaining and insightful manner.

But don't mistake me, I own both the original series, the original two films and the newer two film remakes and look forward to the third. But deep and meaningful? ahhahahahah Eva is about giant robots and awkward yet hilarious anime teenager antics and little else to me, and that's all I need to enjoy it. But man that End of Eva movie, what a mind fuck.

Ugh BennetTheSage, literally the worst anime reviewer I can think of. He relies solely off of 'MUH NOSTALGIA' and has entry level, Adult Swim taste. Even worse than JesuOtaku and the fact that Berzerk is his favourite anime says alot about his credibility as a reviewer (I say that because Berzerk sucked donkey dick compared to the manga).

xplosive59:

LazyAza:
For anyone who thinks Evangelion to be "deep and meaningful" I recommend these reviews:
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-neon-genesis-evangelion-death-and-rebirth/
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-the-end-of-evangelion/

Bennet White aka Sage, pointed out everything wrong with the series and the films far better than I or anyone else ever has, and did so in a very entertaining and insightful manner.

But don't mistake me, I own both the original series, the original two films and the newer two film remakes and look forward to the third. But deep and meaningful? ahhahahahah Eva is about giant robots and awkward yet hilarious anime teenager antics and little else to me, and that's all I need to enjoy it. But man that End of Eva movie, what a mind fuck.

Ugh BennetTheSage, literally the worst anime reviewer I can think of. He relies solely off of 'MUH NOSTALGIA' and has entry level, Adult Swim taste. Even worse than JesuOtaku and the fact that Berzerk is his favourite anime says alot about his credibility as a reviewer (I say that because Berzerk sucked donkey dick compared to the manga).

Hating a reviewer solely because their opinions are different to you're own, way to be original.
You clearly haven't watched many of his videos, Bennett is a very smart and insightful guy and while I don't always agree with him he always does a tremendously good job with his videos, as for his taste in humor, I think he's pretty darn funny but then comedy is as subjective as an opinion now isn't it.

LazyAza:

xplosive59:

LazyAza:
For anyone who thinks Evangelion to be "deep and meaningful" I recommend these reviews:
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-neon-genesis-evangelion-death-and-rebirth/
http://benthesage.com/reviews/aa/anime-abandon-the-end-of-evangelion/

Bennet White aka Sage, pointed out everything wrong with the series and the films far better than I or anyone else ever has, and did so in a very entertaining and insightful manner.

But don't mistake me, I own both the original series, the original two films and the newer two film remakes and look forward to the third. But deep and meaningful? ahhahahahah Eva is about giant robots and awkward yet hilarious anime teenager antics and little else to me, and that's all I need to enjoy it. But man that End of Eva movie, what a mind fuck.

Ugh BennetTheSage, literally the worst anime reviewer I can think of. He relies solely off of 'MUH NOSTALGIA' and has entry level, Adult Swim taste. Even worse than JesuOtaku and the fact that Berzerk is his favourite anime says alot about his credibility as a reviewer (I say that because Berzerk sucked donkey dick compared to the manga).

Hating a reviewer solely because their opinions are different to you're own, way to be original.
You clearly haven't watched many of his videos, Bennett is a very smart and insightful guy and while I don't always agree with him he always does a tremendously good job with his videos, as for his taste in humor, I think he's pretty darn funny but then comedy is as subjective as an opinion now isn't it.

Did I say I didn't like him because of his opinions? No, Anthony Fantano is my favourite music reviewer yet I almost never agree with him. The difference between him and Fantano is that Fantano knows his shit very very well. I have watched about 4 BennetTheSage videos and all I remember was him reviewing Akira basically saying "I don't get it, trying way hard to be deep because I can't understand what is going on". From what I have seen he comes across as a guy who doesn't know his stuff but he likes to think he does. His top 10 anime list was laughable, not because they were bad or anything (the majority was good) but in music terms his choices would be like saying Sgt Peppers, Dark Side of The Moon, Kind of Blue and Michael Jackson's Thriller are your favourite albums, yes they are good but you come across as a guy who doesn't know shit beyond the basic knowlege of the medium.

Sorry about ranting, it's just people like this piss me the hell off. If you want a good anime reviewer try Gigguk on youtube, funny guy and actually knows and comes across as a normal guy.

EDIT: With all that being said, I did not realize that he is mainly a videogame reviewer until just now. Because before I thought he was completely anime based, I guess I can give some leniency in his views if it isn't his main medium and I cannot judge his taste in videogames because a) I don't play videogames b) I haven't watch his VG reviews. Still his anime review leave a bad taste.

CriticKitten:

Nicolaus99:
Like any other fandom, fans shouldn't take it too seriously. Star Wars... Kinect. Evangelion... love pillows. My Little Pony... Cupcakes. We all have our burdens to bear.

That's not the worst of the My Little Pony fandom. Not by a long shot.

Go Google "Lyra plushie". That will be enough to get you started into the "bad end" of the fandom.

I'll see your Lyra Plushie and raise you a Princess Molestia Tumblr blog and some random furry clop art.

I just love the expression in the third panel. That's the look of a man who's setting down for some satisfying trolling.

Nicolaus99:
I'll see your Lyra Plushie and raise you a Princess Molestia Tumblr blog and some random furry clop art.

I didn't say it was the worst of the fandom.

Only that it would get you STARTED into the worst of the fandom. :p

Paradoxrifts:
I suppose that this rules out any possibility of an Erin Stout body pillow?

Unfortunately, yes.

However, negotiations are currently underway for a sledding Kratos body pillow.

Kilo24:

Paradoxrifts:
I suppose that this rules out any possibility of an Erin Stout body pillow?

Unfortunately, yes.

However, negotiations are currently underway for a sledding Kratos body pillow.

Extra points if the pillow is electric, and sets people on fire when they sleep with it.

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