Why Exactly Do We Care About Star Wars?

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Why Exactly Do We Care About Star Wars?

Yahtzee wonders if we'd care about Star Wars as much as we do if Episodes I-III were merely okay.

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Can we please just let Star Wars go? Why are so many people holding on to it? It's time to move on.

Did the huns ever invade france and England?

I also agree that episode 6 has some stupid moments like the ewoks and luke throwing away his lightsaber.

Counterpoint: The Avengers. Disney knows it's sitting on a goldmine here.

themilo504:
Did the huns ever invade france and England?

I suspect that's a joke. The huns invaded Rome and most of middle Europe. They may have gotten as far as France at one point, but England wasn't Engalnd at the time. My knowledge of history is a bit sketchy, so you may want to fact check me, but I believe England was still under control of the Saxons at this point.

On topic, I actually didn't get into Star Wars until I was about ten years old, maybe twelve (don't remember). That was a few years before the Special Edition came out, but I was pretty much an instant fanboy once I took the time to watch it. Having grown older and detached myself from my fanboy tendencies, I've been able to be critical of the series, but a lot of it still holds up, despite the bits of it that have gone outdated (stolen datatapes! boy, what an anachronism that's become). Empire is the best of the series. The other two are held together BY what Empire did for the series and would merely be pretty good without it.

But when you talk about what Star Wars deserves . . . What Star Wars deserves is to be allowed to be what it is. A pretty good, fun adventure series. This notion that there needs to be more movies is what I find most bothersome. We didn't need the prequels. Sure, they could have been good movies, but we'd have lost nothing if they'd never been made, whatever quality they could have been. And we'll lose nothing if a new trilogy is never made. This is the thing that George Lucas (and Hollywood in general) never understood. You have to quite while you're ahead. Dragging a series on inevitably only drags it down. Leave Star Wars at its original trilogy and let it be what it is.

Da Joz:
Can we please just let Star Wars go? Why are so many people holding on to it? It's time to move on.

Yes, can we? I gave up the second Dave Fiolini's animated series was given the right to rewrite the whole of Star Wars canon as it saw fit without anyone telling them "stop, we actually want to see an Imperial Commandos 2! Stop making the Mandalorians pacifists! Stop making characters dead or not dead that already had finished story arcs!" Guhhh... even thinking of it now is just downright unpleasant. I used to love Star Wars as a whole, I didn't even complain about the Ewoks... but my gosh it is just not worth it now. Maybe if EA produces some decent games I'll buy them, but that's it. If anyone ever tries to get me into Star Wars again, either they're gonna let me reboot it (and I mean personally, so we can finally start making more things like KotOR 2 and less like Masters of the whatsitsname in terms of quality), or I'm not going to even bother.

Skyy High:
Counterpoint: The Avengers. Disney knows it's sitting on a goldmine here.

Counter-counterpoint: Spectacular Spider-Man, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, and Tron Uprising all being cancelled due to "low ratings" because Disney jammed them on the sick dog that is (or at least was) Disney XD. Nevermind they were winning awards and had pretty good fan bases when they weren't jammed on XD at nearly 10 PM (who does Disney think they are kidding?) at night. And then what do we get? Hulk: Agents of Smash and Ultimate Spider-Man. Also, PotC: Armada of the Damned. And rumors that Tron 3 is actually not going to even feature the Grid! And the fact Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty much just there to advertise elements from the movies in a slightly tweaked universe. They also have outright said they just want to remake Seven Samurai but with Jedi. They aren't even pretending it's original -- it'll literally be just sticking lightsabers into an older movie, like with CGI added on.

Out of everything Disney's done thus far, the only things that seem worth hoping for at this point (IMO) are that Gravity Falls finally remembers its most appealing hook was conspiracy and mystery, that EA makes us some half-decent Star Wars games, and that the Marvel Movieverse continues to do well.

Star Wars never really held a sacrosanct place in my heart. I thought they were all fun movies, but as my movie experiences grew, I came to understand that they weren't really that good from so many standpoints (and yes I saw the original cuts of the first trilogy, not that that really matters). I consider it a blessing, since that meant I could enjoy the prequels (just as fun as the original, even with the annoying characters) and news about it doesn't really incur a lot of frothing rage.

Hun was a slang term for Germans during world war 1.

I was always more of a Trek fan myself so I was never emotionally invest in the Star Wars franchise even though I enjoyed the original movies and had tons of the various product tie ins as a child. I guess it was because I found RotJ to be entertaining yet dumb.

Okay, am I the only one who thinks Empire is the weakest of the original trilogy? For me order of goodness goes pretty much 6 4 5 3 2 1. Though 6 and 4 might swap places nowadays, it's been a while since I saw the movies all together.

Skyy High:
Counterpoint: The Avengers. Disney knows it's sitting on a goldmine here.

Avengers got me optimistic.
But then JJ Abrahams happened.
And then EA happened.

So I don't think they are going to make it great. I just think they are going to milk it 'til it dies.

There is nothing that I can say about JJ Abrahams that wasn't covered by Movie Bob's brilliant Big Picture about it.
Giving the director's chair to JJ Abrahams almost assures us that the movies are going to be completely bland and souless. Because that is what ALL of his work up until now has been. Was it bad? Not really. There is ANYTHING memorable about it? Maybe the lens flares.

Being good or being bad, Star Wars were something to talk about after leaving the movies. Even something as bad and cheesy as Episode 1 (yes, it IS worse than Attack Of the Clones) were enjoyable and heck, even INVENTIVE.
Kid Darth Vader driving Formula 1 cars was a horrible idea when you think about it, but it was AN IDEA. It took a direction and went at it.

That does not seems to be what Disney is after. They are just gonna make something to try to please everyone, turn it up to eleven and cash a big fat check in the bank.

And that is EXACTLY what Disney did with Lucasarts, selling the whole license to EA.
Figuring out what genres and developers would work to make an great Star Wars game and assigning individual projects to them would be really THAT hard?
Hell, Lucasarts made game gems just by purchasing and re-skinning popular games with the license. Jedi Knight 2 and onwards were just Quake 3 Arena reskinned, as were Gallactic Battlegrounds to Age Of Empires, and Battlefront to Battlefield.
But, hey ... Why bother? Sell it all to EA for a buttload of money and let them put their """""magic""""" on the franchise.

Disney's purchase could have gone really well, really. Instead, it is shaping up to be the final nail in this coffin.

themilo504:
Did the huns ever invade france and England?

I also agree that episode 6 has some stupid moments like the ewoks and luke throwing away his lightsaber.

"Huns" was also used as British slang for the Germans during WW1 and WW2, it used along the same lines as "Fritz" and "Krauts" It was an allegory for the cruelty of the German soldiers, and the manner in which they raided Europe much like the Huns from antiquity.

Funfact: Mof is WW Dutch slang for germans, it also refers to German unsophisticated and rudeness.

OT: disney has done well with its licenses so far, and i think they will continue to do so, despite the franchises long hiatus. They could probably combine Yahtzees idea, by setting episode seven, a long time after episode six. They better act soon though before Star Wars gets really stale, and its fans get too old.

From the perspective of the owners, he's absolutely right. However, from the perspective of fans who were grinding up copies of the Thrawn trilogy and snorting it (figuratively!) before prequels or remakes were a glimmer in George's disturbingly Gammorean eyes... to us, the resurgence of massive popularity is the worst thing that could've happened to Star Wars. Much like every other aspect of geek culture that's gone mainstream... I'd like my niche back.

Chessrook44:
Okay, am I the only one who thinks Empire is the weakest of the original trilogy?

Quite possibly, yes. I don't mean to seem like I'm singling you out (to each their own, etc etc) but generally speaking it's considered the best of the bunch. I dig that this is a subjective thing, but on the review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, The Empire Strikes Back currently holds a 97% "Certified Fresh" rating, from a total of 71 reviews, making it the Star Wars saga's highest-rated episode. ( http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/empire_strikes_back/ )

Personally I liked Return of the Jedi best, but I know full well this was because when I saw it in the theater I was just old enough for Leia in a bikini to cause my brain to short-circuit in new and exciting ways but not quite old enough to be put off by ewoks. I wouldn't suggest this makes it the best movie, though.

What enjoyment I still get from Star Wars (and it's been unthinkably long since I've watched the decent three) is almost purely nostalgic. As an active IP it's Lenny from of Mice and Men. Someone who loves it needs to sit down with it and have a brief and final discussion about rabbits.

I have to agree with Yahtzee on this one. A mediocre sequel trilogy would be worse for the franchise as a whole than one that was bad. Bad movies are like really spicy food-hard to digest at first, and there are some types that never go down well, but eventually you can't get enough of it.

If the ST (*groan*) is great, great. If it sucks, we got Harry Plinkett waiting to eviscerate it. But otherwise...Star Wars just stops being fun to talk about.

Elijah Newton:

Chessrook44:
Okay, am I the only one who thinks Empire is the weakest of the original trilogy?

Quite possibly, yes. I don't mean to seem like I'm singling you out (to each their own, etc etc) but generally speaking it's considered the best of the bunch. I dig that this is a subjective thing, but on the review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, The Empire Strikes Back currently holds a 97% "Certified Fresh" rating, from a total of 71 reviews, making it the Star Wars saga's highest-rated episode. ( http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/empire_strikes_back/ )

Personally I liked Return of the Jedi best, but I know full well this was because when I saw it in the theater I was just old enough for Leia in a bikini to cause my brain to short-circuit in new and exciting ways but not quite old enough to be put off by ewoks. I wouldn't suggest this makes it the best movie, though.

What enjoyment I still get from Star Wars (and it's been unthinkably long since I've watched the decent three) is almost purely nostalgic. As an active IP it's Lenny from of Mice and Men. Someone who loves it needs to sit down with it and have a brief and final discussion about rabbits.

For my memory the reason for my ranking is that Empire had the big "Climactic action scene" at the start with the Battle of Hoth, and most of the rest was either low-key or short, as opposed to the other two stories which spent all their time building up to the big action scenes of the battles of Yavin and Endor. Maybe I just like the space battles more, and Empire had very little of that. I mean ok sure it had the Asteroid Chase Scene but... there wasn't really much to that.

I'd say the original trilogy is so popular simply because they are good movies (at least the first two). That I'm saying as someone who only saw them a few years ago (well I guess I saw one or two as a kid but I didn't remember anything from them).

So yea, simply they are good. I don't think the prequels have much to do with anything. Maybe they resurrected the interest in SW somewhat, but there always have been books and games from the SW universe. Even without he prequels or remakes there would be old fans, and new people discovering the original movies. The SW universe is nice and rich and always was.

I mean, we can clearly say the original trilogy has made a ton of people fans. I wonder how many people became fans after seeing Phantom Menace? I think not that many. Note that I don't think the prequels are terrible. I quite like the latter two in fact. Even if these were the only SW movies in existence, I would like SW.

As for why do we care - it's a nice universe with nice potential. Especially for games. Light sabers and jedi powers simply ARE cool. Just remember Jedi Outcast and compare the part before and after getting the saber (and powers). Also, aliens, locations... It's simply a well done universe full of potential.

Also, Han shooting first is simply better - that's it. If he did NOT shoot first in the original movie and it was changed later so that he DID, I'd welcome the change, because it would make Han's character better IMHO. Which means, doing the exact opposite has weakened the character. And changing a film to make it worse is kinda silly, that's all.

themilo504:
Did the huns ever invade france and England?

I also agree that episode 6 has some stupid moments like the ewoks and luke throwing away his lightsaber.

During World War I, the germans were ofter referred to as "Huns", specifically in propaganda posters.

Amen.

Anything that smacks of trying to "deepen" the story or "improve" the presentation almost invariably results in either mediocrity or disaster That's one reason why I'm not that interested in The Force Unleashed, but absolutely love KOTOR.

The prequel trilogy didn't revitalize the franchise because it was shit. It revitalized the franchise because it was divisive. Revenge of the Sith has an average rating on IMDB of 7.7/10. Keep in mind that's a movie 7.7-by games journalism standards, that would be at least 8.5. Star Wars fans hated it, and people with any sense of good filmmaking, storytelling, or acting hated it, but the general population didn't just like it, they thought it was damn good. Looking at individual reviews, it's got a ton of 10s on both IMDB and Metacritic. The average nerd can tell that it's a steaming pile, but the average member of the masses thinks it's "epic". Even some more discerning viewers said it "redeemed the prequel trilogy".

Let's look at a totally different example: Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. Not a great movie, but not awful the way At World's End was. But it got quite a bit of attention, and left people excited for the third. Just like the Star Wars prequels, it was "epic". So were the Matrix sequels (which also have disproportionately high user ratings compared to their actual quality), so were Iron Man 2, The Bourne Identity, Superman Returns, and Harry Potter and the Movie Where Nothing Happens Deathly Hallows: Part 1.

When a movie is enough bigger than its audience (in some way, not necessarily geography), it will succeed at any quality level. Movies aren't forgotten because they're mediocre, but because they're ordinary. Epic Move was far shittier than the Star Wars prequels, but nobody really remembers it other than a vague idea that it sucked, because nothing about it was extraordinary. Had nothing to do with how bad it was.

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I can't speak to the current generation of Star Wars fans, but for me Star Wars has always been there. I was a toddler when Episode IV came out and it has been my consistent go-to sci-fi for my entire life. It is what I've always held up other space adventures against to be judged.

I was looking forward to the prequels with the insane fervor of an addict. The only thing I wanted in my life was more Star Wars. I just assumed it would be great because how COULDN'T it be great? Everything so far had been great. I had absolute trust in Lucas.

If the prequels had been awesome, I would still want more films. I would be begging George to crank out some more space opera. If the prequels had just been OK then I would still be wanting more. There are stories to be told and again, so much of my imagination was influenced by Star Wars that it is terrifyingly easy to picture possibilities for the setting.

The only thing for me that is different about my anticipation for the new films is that because the prequels and changes are lame, I'm not mad that Disney bought the IP. Lucas has shown us that his ideas about the Star Wars Universe are no longer compatible with those of his fans. He's either overthought it or underthought it, but the result is that he now has a vision of Star Wars that nobody likes but him.

So if the prequels had lived up to even half of my expectations I would be in rage mode about the audacity of Disney getting in the middle of my precious. As it is, I don't care. I just want more Star Wars.

As someone born on 83' and not being into that kind of sci-fi, that same question has always been nagging me "Why Exactly Do You Care About Star Wars?". This article does a bit to clarify it, can comprehend it on an intellectual level, but have it on the same regard as people being nostalgic over the Spice Girls or me being nostalgic over Scatman John, even if it's obvious that SW had a larger impact on the pop culture.

I sure as hell don't, it's a waste of time, the series is over, anything that's come out lately to revive the brand has been god-awful shite that's not worth your time.

Da Joz:
Can we please just let Star Wars go? Why are so many people holding on to it? It's time to move on.

If you don't care much for Star Wars, how can you presume to understand people who do?

No, Mr. Yahtzee, you're wrong. The best case scenario is if the new sequels are great. So great they make even the most stubborn fans forget about all the previous ones. You can rightly say that's impossible. But you're jaded, and accustomed to disappointment, therefore your judgement isn't sound.

For me, the origional three were good, not great. They don't even sit in the top ten of my favorite movies. As with others, I was always a trek fan, and while I liked Starwars, it was never something that I could understand the rampant fanatisim of. The prequals would have been better if they didn't cycle sithlords each one, and left vader's backstory alone, or at least have gotten good actors to play him. They weren't complete train wrecks, they had a lot of good ideas, just poor execution. I have a feeling if they weren't star wars movies, people would have liked them better.

Fans ruined star wars for me. I loved the original trilogy. The first one was always my favorite, but the three fight scene at the end of Jedi is still the greatest (sci-fi) battle ever put to film in my opinion. Say what you want about the ewoks and stormtroopers terrible aim, find me a space battle more intense and visually stunning than that one. And that score over vader and luke's final duel, and vader's heel-face turn to kill the emperor and save himself, Just watch it!

It's brilliant. And before you dismiss my argument as some Luddite "who didn't like empire because it was boring", i loved Empire. Hoth, Asteroid field, dagobah, yoda, cloud city and the single greatest twist ever put to film. love it all. Seriously strongest writing of the original trilogy. I really hate that have to defend myself as a fan of star wars because i like new hope more than empire.

All this brings me to the prequel trilogy. And the question i always ask and never get a straight answer to: What did you expect? And don't say "not that", that's a cheap cop-out and you know it. You don't know what you wanted. and when given something perfectly serviceable you scorned it. why? because it wasn't Han's backstory? Luke growing up ridiculously bored on a moisture farm on a desert world? Leia growing up in a pampered world where she's a princess, and finding out the heart wrenching details that she is a replacement for a child her adoptive parents lost when the dark side took over before entering into a world of political intrigue and guile and working as a legitimate politician while secretly supporting and supplying a rebellion? okay that last one would be pretty awesome.

But the point is this. There was no way those films would ever be accepted even if they hadn't had atrocious dialogue and bad casting (by the way the only two problems i have with the prequel, and lets face it the originals had those problems too).
There are two reasons for this.

1: It wasn't new.
It wasn't. The original had a big thing going for it. No one had ever seen anything like it. EVER. and that visual stun made us overlook alot of the problems. Like Crysis and The Avengers it just looked so damn pretty and awesome and so different from anything before it that any flaws were covered up. The prequels had no such luxury. Episode 1 was released the same year as The Matrix, the Terminator and Robocop had been around for over a decade. science fiction and stunning visuals had been around for while. Pixar was making the leaps and bounds in graphic animation, and video games had already begun to change the playing field.

2:We all knew how it was going to end.
Some kid named anakin skywlker? Obi-Wan Kenobi? Jango Fett? Yoda? Palpatine? R2D2? C-3PO? We all knew what was going to happen, and where all these people were going to end up. The dramatic turn in Revenge of the Sith? Not dramatic, we know Anakin is going to be Vader and lose the arms and legs. There was no suspense, we knew where characters were going and some of the die-hards fans even knew how they were going to get there. Well of course the republic is going to use clones. Of course palpatine is going to be put in charge of the senate. of course the Jedi are going massacred. and yes Anakin is going to turn to the dark side. Surprise!

So i think the prequels are perfectly serviceable films that were never going to live up ridiculously high expectations fans had for them.

And the whole Mediclorean thing? drop it. It's a stupid argument and you look stupid when you use it. every supernatural sci-fi/fantasy Jesus race has a something (in fact usually in their blood) that marks them out as special. and according to Expanded Universe Medicloreans just make you more aware and sensitive to the force, everyone has them just the higher the count the better with the force you'll be.

Tl;dr FML

*slow clap*

Wow. This has been my favorite Extra Punctuation article in a long time. The best part to me was how he mentioned that in Star Wars you have no real feel for the stakes, because anything is possible. Barge full of armed thugs? Let me just spin my laser sword around until I kill everyone. Giant planet-destroying space station? Let me just shoot it in its' weak spot like it's a Zelda boss.

I've been a fan of Star Wars since I was 8 years old, which meant I was young and dumb enough to succumb entirely to that world. Toys, comic books, you name it. But I can admit that Star Wars is hardly relevant today. The original trilogy is good fun, but there's nothing poignant or meaningful about it. I get the feeling that Star Wars is one of those things we put up on a cultural pedestal that future generations won't even see the point of.

Again, I like Star Wars, and I can still enjoy the films for what they are. But let's not pretend they're anything more than escapist entertainment. Star Wars is in the same arena as an 80's action movie or a modern romantic comedy - some people will enjoy it simply for what it is, but it's ultimately just candy.

I am of the flame baiting opinion that Star Wars is "ten year old cool".

"Cool" in the sense of it's a lot of stuff that has flipped the switch of a lot of people for very few reasons other than "how cool is that?" It doesn't get much deeper. Swords made of light?!? Cool! Psychic powers?!? Cool! A villain who looks like a robot in a cape who can choke people with magic? A dude who owns a super fast spaceship and hangs out with a bear man? Let's put it this way, if Star Wars were made fifteen years later than it was, every Jedi would ride sacred hover boards. That'd be their thing.

Now nothing wrong with appealing to ten year olds. Ten year olds need fiction too, and I'm sure Star Wars inspired a lot of future story tellers.

I just don't think Star Wars has ever been much more than "ten year old cool". Look at everybody's favorite underdog villain for instance! A bounty hunter with few if any lines or personality who the fan base has resurrected in new fictions purely because why? Oh yeah, he looked really cool.

I don't hate Star Wars or think less of it's fans. We're all suckers for something like this at one point or another in our lives. I just think that any depth in the series is overblown or deposited after the fact. It just has no reason to be held so sacred other than nostalgia. I hope Disney gives us a few competent films that will wow the socks off of the world's ten year olds. That's all it's really required to do.

PS my disregard for "cool" isn't limited to the ten year old variety. At any age when the only really good thing you can say about something is that it's "cool", it might be time to examine what that means to you exactly. It usually doesn't carry much substantial weight.

Movie bob made this point ages ago, but ok.

It's a good point Ben makes in this article.
I would just like to add that any additional Star Wars movies, even if those had been merely OK, would still contribute to Star Wars remaining strong in the collective unconscious. It would still inspire people to re-watch the old trilogy when they might not have, and young audiences to watch it for the first time when they perhaps wouldn't. Movies reach audiences in numbers the books of the Expanded Universe likely wouldn't.

I'm sick of Star Wars. It's a dead horse. The expanded universe is so ridiculous and every new Star Wars content is basically fan fiction.
I probably will see the new Star Wars because honestly I liked the new Star Trek, which was probably because I've never watched any of the original series and only know the classic staples of it (Vulcan sleeper hold, live long and prosper, etc.)
So yea I didn't mind JJ Abrams. You could say he makes "soulless" content, but the fact is he is great with characters. It's the only thing that LOST had going for it. The main reason why I think that he won't be able to make a new Star Wars as good as they used to be is that his characters don't have as much charm. Not as much witty dialogue or humour.
Which was why Whedon totally should have been made the new director. Until then... I think I'll just watch Firefly instead of Star Wars.

Da Joz:
Can we please just let Star Wars go? Why are so many people holding on to it? It's time to move on.

Because it makes a disgusting amount of money each time anything with those two words branded on it is released.

Besides, as proven by KOTOR, Battlefront 2 and Force Unleashed 1, Star Wars has the potential for some awesome video games in a massive universe. But it keeps getting squandered for shitty Kinect games, or Lego Star Wars. Or that one animated film.

Luca72:
*slow clap*

Wow. This has been my favorite Extra Punctuation article in a long time. The best part to me was how he mentioned that in Star Wars you have no real feel for the stakes, because anything is possible. Barge full of armed thugs? Let me just spin my laser sword around until I kill everyone. Giant planet-destroying space station? Let me just shoot it in its' weak spot like it's a Zelda boss.

I've been a fan of Star Wars since I was 8 years old, which meant I was young and dumb enough to succumb entirely to that world. Toys, comic books, you name it. But I can admit that Star Wars is hardly relevant today. The original trilogy is good fun, but there's nothing poignant or meaningful about it. I get the feeling that Star Wars is one of those things we put up on a cultural pedestal that future generations won't even see the point of.

Again, I like Star Wars, and I can still enjoy the films for what they are. But let's not pretend they're anything more than escapist entertainment. Star Wars is in the same arena as an 80's action movie or a modern romantic comedy - some people will enjoy it simply for what it is, but it's ultimately just candy.

I always found it was more about the characters... Han Solo, Lando, Luke, Leia, Vader... Even Chewbacca. They work well together in true ragtag misfits fashion. The new trilogy didn't work because every character was an idiot who made ridiculous decisions and had no decent dialogue.

I like Star Wars because it's good sci-fi, and when sci-fi is good, it can convince you of anything.

You don't care that Doctor Who's is about 11 different actors flying in a phone booth.

You don't care that Star Trek has a fafillion different aliens that are all basically humans with funky faces.

You don't care that Buck Rogers...um...actually I don't know what the deal is with Buck Rogers.

Basically I care about Star Wars because it is good. Well the originals were. I only enjoyed the 3rd of the prequels because I got to see Vader as Vader and not Bland Mcwhinypants. I'm just wary about Disney because lately DIsney has been doing a bum job at making films. Only ones I liked as of late came out of Pixar...

rayen020:

All this brings me to the prequel trilogy. And the question i always ask and never get a straight answer to: What did you expect? And don't say "not that", that's a cheap cop-out and you know it. You don't know what you wanted. and when given something perfectly serviceable you scorned it. why? because it wasn't Han's backstory? Luke growing up ridiculously bored on a moisture farm on a desert world? Leia growing up in a pampered world where she's a princess, and finding out the heart wrenching details that she is a replacement for a child her adoptive parents lost when the dark side took over before entering into a world of political intrigue and guile and working as a legitimate politician while secretly supporting and supplying a rebellion? okay that last one would be pretty awesome.

But the point is this. There was no way those films would ever be accepted even if they hadn't had atrocious dialogue and bad casting (by the way the only two problems i have with the prequel, and lets face it the originals had those problems too).
There are two reasons for this.

1: It wasn't new.
It wasn't. The original had a big thing going for it. No one had ever seen anything like it. EVER. and that visual stun made us overlook alot of the problems. Like Crysis and The Avengers it just looked so damn pretty and awesome and so different from anything before it that any flaws were covered up. The prequels had no such luxury. Episode 1 was released the same year as The Matrix, the Terminator and Robocop had been around for over a decade. science fiction and stunning visuals had been around for while. Pixar was making the leaps and bounds in graphic animation, and video games had already begun to change the playing field.

2:We all knew how it was going to end.
Some kid named anakin skywlker? Obi-Wan Kenobi? Jango Fett? Yoda? Palpatine? R2D2? C-3PO? We all knew what was going to happen, and where all these people were going to end up. The dramatic turn in Revenge of the Sith? Not dramatic, we know Anakin is going to be Vader and lose the arms and legs. There was no suspense, we knew where characters were going and some of the die-hards fans even knew how they were going to get there. Well of course the republic is going to use clones. Of course palpatine is going to be put in charge of the senate. of course the Jedi are going massacred. and yes Anakin is going to turn to the dark side. Surprise!

So i think the prequels are perfectly serviceable films that were never going to live up ridiculously high expectations fans had for them.

And the whole Mediclorean thing? drop it. It's a stupid argument and you look stupid when you use it. every supernatural sci-fi/fantasy Jesus race has a something (in fact usually in their blood) that marks them out as special. and according to Expanded Universe Medicloreans just make you more aware and sensitive to the force, everyone has them just the higher the count the better with the force you'll be.

Tl;dr FML

I disagree with some of that... I didn't know what was going to happen. Honestly I though episode 1 would have Anakin already as a powerful Jedi apprentice and it would detail his descent to the dark side immediately. The second one I pictured Anakin and Obi Wan kinda in a bit of an arms race - With Anakin secretly undertaking missions for the emperor to help with the whole "master plan" to take over, and Obi Wan trying to find out who is pulling Anakins strings (and also not making it so damn obvious who the emperor would be). I thought that the "clones" were going to be bad guys - possibly even Dark Jedi clones(because nobody ever said Sith in the original trilogy). In the third film the republic would try to fight back against these clones and eventually be defeated while the emperor seizes power and begin to crack down on everyone, Hitler style. Throughout the second and third films the Jedi would be hunted down slowly over time (that's what I thought Obi Wan meant by "Darth Vader helped hunt down and kill the Jedi Knights") rather than having almost all of them destroyed within about 10 minutes in a montage.

SO yea I'm basically saying that everyone expected them to go into the backstory, not just make up some events that feel totally disconnected from the original story because of how poorly they merge together at the end. We knew three things:

A. Anakin goes bad
B. The Empire rises
C. There are some sort of wars involving some sort of clones

That was all. There could have been plenty of tension if some interesting characters were around that would actually make us emotionally invested in the films.

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