The Big Picture: Secrets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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Strain42:
I think the reason behind Coulson's survival is pretty simple...Fury just kinda trolled them. A lie within a lie basically. We knew he lied about the cards, but I guess he also lied about the death of Coulson too.

To paraphrase Kung Pow

"We only saw him do this...hrrrk...guhhhh........that doesn't mean a person is dead."

It's weird - I'm certain I saw an official website for the series linked from somewhere. The blurb I read says that your theory was pretty much exactly what happened - Coulson "held his breath" and played dead so the Avengers could be motivated. Honestly, I'm hoping that's not true because A)That's horrific trolling and not a good way to start a series, and B)It takes away the one legitimate "accomplishment" Loki's had in his cinematic existence, and that's really sad considering one of the most iconic villains of comics has so far turned out to be surprisingly terrible at his job (I'm just hoping that leads to some redemptive arc later in the movie series, maybe starting in Thor 2).

So this was a fun history lesson and I'm glad I got to learn abou-

*Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment*

....goddammit white people.

I know nothing of any of this but I got other thing to grill. "Premiers this fall - in USA. Then mysterious time flux happens and it premiers year later in Finland." After everyone who wants to see it, has watched every episode online, legally or illegally.

Just another thing to avoid on these forums along with The Walking Dead season 2 discussion.

I like the idea of multi-media spanning epic world building . . . but fuck, I hate Joss Whedon. He's a lazy-ass writer who's potential is destroyed by his inability to make his characters different in any means other than name and superpowers (if they have them).

I love when people say "Coulson died in Avengers." I would be more surprised if they reveal that he WAS dead. In the theater, I even said to my sister... he's not dead.

OT. Luke Cage would be fun. I'm hoping this is a prequel to the Black Panther movie. Set the stage BEFORE it comes out.

Luke cage was one of the guys (sadly the only one I might have known).

thanks for the history lesson on the other 9 (well okay we all knew blade but still).

Hay bob can we get a poll for fans to vote on which of the 10?

I mean unless anyone objects.

I do hope its Luke Cage, because if it is that means Iron Fist will turn up at some point and awesomeness will ensue.

IndianaJonny:
Whoa, Falcon didn't make the list at all? Granted, "super strength" isn't one of his given abilities (but then neither is it one of Black Panther's) but if a Captain America-connection is all that is needed to make the list, I'm surprised the Falcon's name hasn't been passed around - especially given he's (arguably) mainstream comics' first African-American superhero.

But the Falcon's going to be in Captain America 2 played by a different dude.

My gut reaction was Cloak of the Cloak and Dagger duo given the hood and having a girl in his arms, but everything else shown makes it pretty unlikely.

MovieBob:
Secrets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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I was kinda hoping we'd get the Rock for Luke Cage. so 2 - 10 sound great to me
EDIT: never know, could be a traditionally white hero

Farthing:
My gut reaction was Cloak of the Cloak and Dagger duo given the hood and having a girl in his arms, but everything else shown makes it pretty unlikely.

Not likely. Cloak has the whole teleportation thing going. He's not known for shattering concrete when he falls on it

Between this and your Mandarin episodes you have an excellent lead in to a discussion on race and comic books. I thought one of these guys was the man who fought Thor to a near standstill before Thor was caught by Shield. I didn't know which one, but seeing this list I'd have to guess a super soldier descendant.

C'mon, we all know the answer is that it's Miles Morales, the black Spider-man, who works day in and out with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Nick Fury:
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I'm only partially joking...

Oh! I forgot the oh-so-racial incorrect BLACK GOLIATH!
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Mr Ink 5000:

MovieBob:
Secrets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

MovieBob speculates on the upcoming television show spun-off from The Avengers.

Watch Video

I was kinda hoping we'd get the Rock for Luke Cage. so 2 - 10 sound great to me
EDIT: never know, could be a traditionally white hero

Great point. Who do you think the conversion would be?

Or, he could be a villain.

If it's not a new character it will probably be Luke Cage though I would love to see one of the Bradleys myself.

The fact that the actor is black doesn't have to mean anything. I mean, it would certainly not be the first time that a character from the marvel universe, that's depicted as white in the comics, is played by a black actor.

vid87:
....goddammit white people.

You mean, goddammit racially intolerant decision makers in government, from an era where black people were considered second class citizens.

Human rights violations are human rights violations, no matter who is doing it to whom, for whatever reason. But the fact that some white people mistreated some black people should not be a reason for all black people to resent all white people. You'll only end up keeping the hatred alive for longer.

I really want to see Luke Cage, and I'd absolutely kill to see him and Iron Fist in a Heroes For Hire show, so I wouldn't be upset if it was him. At this point though I feel like Marvel would probably want to use Cage in a movie though, in order to capitalize on the publicity that would come from having the first African-American movie superhero, and to diversify the Avengers, so in my eyes the mystery man being Cage seems a bit unlikely.

Rage seems like the top candidate in my eyes, if only because he's seen in the logo and because he's obscure enough that the show runners would be able to do whatever they want without annoying an established fanbase.

The ones I'd be most interested to see though would have to be the Bradley family. The subject matter seems a bit too heavy for a lighthearted action blockbuster, but I think Whedon could handle it well in a TV series, and it seems like exactly the kind of "Secret Histories of the Superheroes" stuff that I expect SHIELD to cover. Of the three dudes I think Josiah X seems like the most likely candidate, he's too young to be Isaiah and too old to be Elijah, but depending on how they worked the timeline he could easily be Josiah. As an added bonus, I think such a firmly anti-establishment hero would go a long way to offsetting the weird "Big Brother is your friend" subtext that Agents of SHIELD looks to have.

I'm surprised this character speculation was all Bob talked about in this video though, there's a lot about Agents of SHIELD that's worth discussing.

AkatsukiLeader13:
If it's not a new character it will probably be Luke Cage though I would love to see one of the Bradleys myself.

I'm banking on our Mystery Man (see what I did there?) is Luke Cage, so we can get that out of the way. A Power Man & Iron Fist spinoff would be just kick-ass! And since Marvel got the rights to Daredevil back, they can give him a spinoff too, since there's an apparently large audience for legal dramas, we can sucker them in with a lawyer who's also an ass-kicking superhero!
Of course, maybe the guy could be one of the Bradleys. He's talking to his friend in the diner, who warns him about S.H.I.E.L.D., and he asks about using a shield, like what all 3 Bradleys did in their superhero careers.

Luke Cage/Power Man seems most likely. The Black failed Captain America experiment would also be a good option.

Either way, it's a series I will watch.

A tough call. On the one hand, it's so obviously Luke Cage, but on the other hand it's SO obviously Luke Cage that it makes you wonder why there's all this mystery behind his reveal; which kinda puts it under one of your main gripes of the recent Star Trek flim (and Abrams' recent stuff in general).

Nomanslander:
That or they could have pulled another Nick Fury and turned a white super hero black. :P.

And the Rage from the Fanboys would be intense. Remember the outcry over Black Heimdall?

Pat Hulse:
In an interview for IGN Jeffery Bell confirmed that it was not Luke Cage, may have possibly slipped that the first letter in the guy's name is "M", and also said some things about colorblind casting.

Honestly, we were looking for this part, and we just said, look, all our parts are open to all diversity. So the fact that we have a black dude who is awesome and it's J, was just because he was the best actor. It wasn't like, "You know who...!"

While Marvel reps have flat-out lied in the past, particularly when a mystery is guessed right out of the gate, my money is actually on Moon Knight. No, he's never been portrayed as a black man, but neither was Nick Fury before the Ultimates and neither was Heimdall before "Thor". Also, it would make the hoodie a clever costume choice. Still, it would mean they changed a lot of his backstory and gave him powers right from the beginning, so it might be a bit of a stretch, but I like banking on the long-shot.

I dunno. Moon Knight was pretty deep into Egyptian myth and mysticism, from what I remember of the series from back in the day. Me, I am hoping to see Black Knight at some time in the future (not actually Black Skin, but a descendant of an Arthurian Knight with a flying Horse. Dane Whitman was his name, though there were other variants of the character, one being a villain, Nathan Garrett.

Darth_Payn:
And since Marvel got the rights to Daredevil back, they can give him a spinoff too, since there's an apparently large audience for legal dramas, we can sucker them in with a lawyer who's also an ass-kicking superhero!

And Jennifer Walters?

Not going to happen soon, I know, but I like her angle way better than Bruce's.

Daredevil will probably be its own thing, but it would be a pleasant surprise to see him turn up.

I've been betting on Cage and Iron Fist showing up in this show since it was revealed.

The Shield series seems like a good fit for all these street level heroes as they call em.

Personally, now that that Daredevil and Punisher are back in marvel's hands I would love to see an avengers style movie with their street level characters. Get a Heroes for Hire movie and a DareDevil flick going, then go into movie with Punisher coming in since he has been introduced more times then I can count. Heroes for hire could have Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Colleen Wing and Misty Knight to get you the who diversity thing, Daredevil could set up Kingpin and Hell I would kill to see either Tom Jane or Ray Stevenson back as Castle.

Either Luke Cage of Isaiah Bradley works for me!

When I saw the trailer for the show I initially thought of Luke Cage. He typically does wear street clothes, and his skin and body is really tough, which I thought fit a guy who jumped out of a building with another person and survived.
Plus, that is the type of guy to not really be secretive in who he is because he really is just a guy initially trying to earn his way through being a hero. I think if it was some of the other guys, there would at least be some make-shift costume going on. Over all though, some of those other possibilities do sound interesting. I would not have picked up on the brief flash of a character in the opening comic roll sequence, although I am never sure if the comics shown do always correlate to the character. I never looked at any of the opening rolls that closely.

Chris Mosher:
Personally, now that that Daredevil and Punisher are back in marvel's hands I would love to see an avengers style movie with their street level characters. Get a Heroes for Hire movie and a DareDevil flick going, then go into movie with Punisher coming in since he has been introduced more times then I can count. Heroes for hire could have Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Colleen Wing and Misty Knight to get you the who diversity thing, Daredevil could set up Kingpin and Hell I would kill to see either Tom Jane or Ray Stevenson back as Castle.

Wait. Are you serious? I knew about Daredevil, but not Punisher!
If they do bring in Luke Cage or some grittyer characters they could start off some stuff with these guys.
That is the only problem when you have characters like Daredevil, or the Punisher. I think that the movies that have been released so far are a bit lighter. That is understandable, since you do not want to remove a part of an audience, and an R rating does restrict some of the audience. When you want to bring in characters that do have a bit of a darker tone to them, like Daredevil or Punisher, you do encounter some issue since you want them in your universe, but you neither want to compromise their stories by lightening them nor taint your already established universe. Still, there is an audience, and if they can some how segue from TV into possibly a darker set of movies I think that will satisfy the need for them, without worrying about losing an audience of kids.
On the topic of who I feel should play the Punisher, I think Thomas Jane should come back. Still to this day I hear his voice when reading any Punisher comic. I just hope they can get into stories like when Garth Enis had the Punisher, or stories like when Frank Miller had Daredevil.

Yeah, Luke Cage does seem the most likely possibility to me, everything else aside, he's actually been known to do his heroics in casualwear, so having him show up without a costume makes a certain amount of sense.

The guy doesn't really seem like he'd be Luke Cage. In my mind I envisioned Luke Cage to act like Black Dynamite if only because of his exploitation roots.

It'd be interesting if it was one of the Bradleys or Miles Morales, especially the latter as it would let them have Spider-man while steering almost clear of Amazing Spider-man.

My first thought when I saw the trailer was also Luke Cage, and a Jessica Jones/Alias (comic, not tv show) vibe from the woman he's talking to. And while I'd like to think that I also don't think it will be. I'd expect them to want the show to stand on its own merits and having superhero cameo of the week kind of works against that. I'd also think that Joss and company would want to be able to do things with the characters on the show that they might otherwise not be allowed to do with a known character. Especially if Disney/Marvel is thinking about making a movie with the character.

vid87:
... B)It takes away the one legitimate "accomplishment" Loki's had in his cinematic existence, and that's really sad considering one of the most iconic villains of comics has so far turned out to be surprisingly terrible at his job

I've also read a theory that it was a Life Model Decoy instead of the actual Coulson. LMDs were mentioned by Stark during his first meeting with Coulson in the Avengers movie. Personally, I like to think that Loki was doing it intentionally in order to get out of being controlled by Thanos.

I'm really hoping it's NOT Luke Cage in this TV show. The actor featured is too small to be the hulking hero for hire from Harlem.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Cage featured, but would much rather it be in a feature film. Also, I would like to see him played by a certain other actor...http://blip.tv/the-blockbuster-buster/casting-the-marvel-heroes-6113120

Cage would be amazing but like it's been said, he will probably have his own movie

I am honestly just hoping he is a new updated version of the Punisher. Although he has none of the Punishers abilities, looks nothing like him and is not the Punisher, I really want Frank Castle in the marvel cinematic universe D:

DanielG:

I've also read a theory that it was a Life Model Decoy instead of the actual Coulson. LMDs were mentioned by Stark during his first meeting with Coulson in the Avengers movie.

Ditto on the "dead" Coulson being a Life Model Decoy. That very idea occurred to me when I first saw Avengers. This IS SHIELD we're talking about and Nick Fury's always been one slick motherf***** :)

OT: Luke Cage was my first thought, too. But Luke's always been portrayed as a grown man in his early to mid 30's (with the exception of an abysmal streak where they portrayed him like he was in his early/late twenties and---never mine, that streak sucked and was apparently buried in the canon).

The guy in the trailer looks like he's in his early/mid twenties, which suggests that he could be playing a kid in his late teens (per Hollywood usual). I suspect Rage would be the most likely candidate, then.

OTOH if Joss is talking about "color blindness" in casting and suggesting that the character's name (super hero or civilian) starts out with an "M" then they may be taking a deliberate approach to increasing racial diversity to the overwhelmingly number of 'white' Marvel super heroes extant.

If so that throws the number of options wide open for this show and the coming Marvel movies. I'd ride that approach without rancor.

As a rule I'm not one for introducing diversity to established canons just for the sake of diversity but since the majority of characters were created during a different era that had serious racial issues (far far more and far far worse than today) then it's just bringing the Marvel 'movie world' closer to modern depictions of racial demographics.

I'll probably get flamed for having that POV[1], but what the hey. *shrugs* Works for me.

[1] I've stayed out of the FF thread about a black Johnny Storm but I'm aware that it's pretty hot in there.

I'm by no means an expert on superhero comics, but this past easter I found an old Spider-Man comic while visiting my parents.
I fell completely in love with Cardiac, a hero-villain who wishes good but uses extreme measures. It's not him, he dresses rather better than this guy, but otherwise he'd fit. Would LOVE for that character to be used for something.

citrusfr00t:
Cage would be amazing but like it's been said, he will probably have his own movie

I am honestly just hoping he is a new updated version of the Punisher. Although he has none of the Punishers abilities, looks nothing like him and is not the Punisher, I really want Frank Castle in the marvel cinematic universe D:

So sad to note the two Punisher movies. One brilliant where a man gets by on sheer determination and being pissed off, exacting the sweetest revenge plot of all time. And a reboot sequel wherein the same guy trades all his above qualities in for a bulletproof vest and enemies with horrible aim.

Maxam? Seriously? How deep did you have to dig for that one for a round top 10? At least Night Thrasher had some clout at one point.

Luke Cage being on this show at some point was a safe bet before the trailer hit. I hope not for central character status. I've nothing against Cage, but he's spent too much of his career in comics as the black sterotype of the day, and if there's one thing most comics fans hope for from this series, it's to see the lessor knowns get screen time. Rage wasn't handled much better as I recall. The Bradleys might need their origin re-worked to avoid pissing people off right out the gate, but have my vote for best option. I've got a thing for heroes that have to live up to a legacy.

Of course, the floor is open if we go color blind. Still, baring someone original, they'd probably still go either someone tied to a current movie Avengers, or someone with some comic notoriety. I don't see them trying to base a series around someone even the comic fans would have to look up, even if the series could feature guests as low as Moon Knight, machine man, and z-listers so obscure no one knows who they are.

There's your next top ten list Bob: top ten comic characters you want to guest shot on SHIELD.

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