Jimquisition: Xbox One out of Ten

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Hey Jim. Just wanted to thank you (and perhaps God) for taking the time out of your regular schedule to take a dump on the Xbone. I probably wouldn't have been able to wait the entire week to see you drop the hammer. See you in the next episode.

Baldr:

gamegod25:

Baldr:

No, Gamers are just out of touch on what sells on mainstream and what mainstream consumers demand.

And just what is that exactly? Something that does what everything else out there already does?

The number one demand out there is convenience and ease of use.
Then look at the top 10 games of 2012:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/184637/

Call of Duty and Sports games.

They hit the nail straight on the head.

Go where the money is.

And that's the problem. Just like when they and Sony tried to get a piece of Nintendo's success with motion controls by bringing out their own "me too" peripherals, no one gave a shit because they already had something that did that. Instead of trying to do what our TV's, phones, PC's, Kindles, etc. can do already they need to focus on what a console does best...play games! And even if they have a shitload of mind blowing exclusive games lined up, that still wouldn't be enough to get me to pay for a console that locks me out from playing used/borrowed games and requires an internet connection to work.

If you want to support them then fine, that's your right as a consumer. But I refuse to reward such clearly anti-gamer bullshit when there are plenty of other options out there.

gamegod25:

Baldr:

gamegod25:

And just what is that exactly? Something that does what everything else out there already does?

The number one demand out there is convenience and ease of use.
Then look at the top 10 games of 2012:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/184637/

Call of Duty and Sports games.

They hit the nail straight on the head.

Go where the money is.

And that's the problem. Just like when they and Sony tried to get a piece of Nintendo's success with motion controls by bringing out their own "me too" peripherals, no one gave a shit because they already had something that did that. Instead of trying to do what our TV's, phones, PC's, Kindles, etc. can do already they need to focus on what a console does best...play games! And even if they have a shitload of mind blowing exclusive games lined up, that still wouldn't be enough to get me to pay for a console that locks me out from playing used/borrowed games and requires an internet connection to work.

If you want to support them then fine, that's your right as a consumer. But I refuse to reward such clearly anti-gamer bullshit when there are plenty of other options out there.

Very enlightening post re: top selling games...I had forgotten about that. But I also wonder how long these stats hold out, I mean a while back there was the whole guitar hero rock band thing that was topping every chart out there. But I guess Halo, CoD, and sports games have had a lot more consistent run.

I think the majority of the console gaming and buying market is not quite reflected here. This console will do well it seems, how could it not if they follow the trend in sales. So everyone predicting the crash, is wrong. People complain about Diablo 3 and Battlefield 3's always online, Origin, what have you, they are still the biggest selling and most highly pre-ordered games in history. So no matter what the sentiment is here on the escapist or even on most gaming forums, it's not going to be reflected in the market.

Convergence of devices has been something that technology has always done, since microwaves had clocks on them, then phones having calculators, calendars, then cameras, now TV's browsing the internet, it's unfortunately a natural progression. We want GAMES consoles to play GAMES, but Microsoft just wants that piece of the pie as well. ONE, meaning ONE device in your living room.

It's a bit of a shame, but I'm one of those few types of gamers that aren't reflected in their demographic at all - not interested in sports (other than motor), or integration of devices that I already own, unreliable internet connection, and partly a PC gamer as well who's getting rather excited at the prospect of building an HTPC this coming generation.

I should have said this when the video was new and there was a chance of Jim seeing it, but thank you for this bonus video Jim. I knew your next video was going to be about the Xbone (how could it not be?), but I was perfectly willing to wait until you were ready to talk about it on your own time (most likely a Monday or one after the next), but you still took the time to make it when you did at the same quality as the rest of your content. That's going above and beyond to serve your fans (even if you just had to get it off your chest), something Microsoft has forgotten how to do.

theriddlen:
it's based on everything good that was in 360

I didn't know ads, motion controls and apps were the best of the 360. Sounds like it was a really terrible console.

I saw someone point out that the Xbox One isn't designed to compete with the PS4 - it's designed to compete with the Apple TV, and that tells you just about everything you need to know.

As you pointed out, Jim, it's not even a good competitor, because every single function the Xbox One does can already be achieved by better, more specialised devices that are also most likely cheaper than the Xbox One is going to be, especially taking into account the fees you inevitably have to keep paying for all the services it's supposed to be compatible with and for the Xbox One itself. And, those of us who really want those devices and can afford them most likely already have them.

There is literally nothing it is offering me, except the potential hilarity and inevitable frustration of how incongruous and awkward Kinect controls are going to be in any kind of real world situation.

gamegod25:

Baldr:

gamegod25:
It's both funny and sad to see just how out of touch MS apparently is. Be it ignorance or just plain contempt for gamers I don't know. Apparently "needing time to respond to Sony" meant thinking of how they could make it as unappealing as possible in comparison.

No, Gamers are just out of touch on what sells on mainstream and what mainstream consumers demand.

And just what is that exactly? Something that does what everything else out there already does?

And, by "mainstream consumers", do you mean people who don't play video games? That's kind of what your statement seemed to imply, Baldr. I ask that because I'm genuinely curious as to why you or anyone would think that a whole lot of people who don't play video games are going to be persuaded to buy a video game console. Are they really going to buy an Xbox One purely for its other, non-gaming features?

Like, I use my Xbox 360 and PS3 to play DVDs and Blu-Rays, but I own them because they're video game consoles and I play video games. People I know who don't play video games didn't go and get this device that's more expensive than a DVD or Blu-Ray player so they could watch movies on it - they bought DVD/Blu-Ray players. The same thing is going to happen here.

Even if they do want all these other features, they could just get an Apple TV or some other similar device that's cheaper and easier to use and already does all of this and isn't a video game console and doesn't come with a giant Kinect that you need to set up somewhere on your TV in order for it to work. Or, otherwise, they'll just stick with whatever setup they already have, even if it means using multiple devices, because they already spent money on it and they aren't gaining anything new with the Xbox One.

I really hope the PS4 comes through with some PS2-quality shit, because the PS3 has been a poop-covered ass and a half for me. I'm still trying to hold out hope for the Xbox One and the PS4, but I'm not buying either of those motherfuckers until I see a healthy library of games. Because I hate TV, I hate my friends, and I hate this weird idea that since PC games can do CD keys and you can't trade those, it's OK for consoles to do it, too.

That said, I'm glad people in this thread (that I've read so far) aren't going on about a looming game crash. Gaming is too deep in the cultural zeitgeist for that to happen again. And the current popular, seemingly neoliberal take on a boycott is basically to feed a different head on the same hydra. Shit ain't gonna happen.

But whatever, I'll be over here modding my PC games and having a blast.

Unfortunately this episode doesn't really add much to the discussion. And there are more interestingly produced episodes.

But hey, it's another episode a few days after the last one. That is only being done at the last minute because of a awful mistake on Microsoft's part, so you can't ask for much.

There's a good point there about the PC there. What much is the point of a console anymore when consoles now are just bad PCs? Heck, at least with Good old Games you don't have to verify your junk all the time. And with Green Man Gaming, you still get DRM junk, but at least it is possible to trade your games. Your digital games are being treated as property, you can give them away or trade them. Legally. And games for the XBOX One are still most likely going to cost a whole lot of money. At least with Steamworks DRM, you can get most games for under $10 at some point in time.

What was the nice thing about consoles back in the day? The fact that you could share them. Didn't have good local multiplayer. The internet wasn't a big thing so there wasn't good online multiplayer. And you just plugged it in and played.

If you wanted to play a good game of Street Fighter as a friend's house, you just took a Street Fighter cartridge and two arcade sticks over to a friends how, popped the game and controllers in and you played Street Fighter. Now you have to jump through hoops to do everything. Again, what about two people who just want to grab two arcade sticks and a copy of Street Fighter?

All the plug and play, all the nice features of consoles are gone. Most people don't care about graphics that much anymore anyway. You can buy a laptop today for the price of a PlayStation 3 that plays a lot of great games pretty well. You can plug it into the TV and plug two joypads or whatever into the TV and have good local multiplayer on lots of games. And for goodness sakes, sharing games on the PC looks to actually be easier than with consoles. If you want to get your friend a game send them a game you bought for $4 as a Steam gift. There's nothing about console hardware that is impressive anymore. Not the new graphics, not the controllers, not the local multiplayer, not plug and play cartridges and discs, not used games.

At least the Wii U still feels like a console somewhat. Well, at least we know Microsoft is out of the race. Consumers won't put up with this and won't let this precedent stick. The Wii U sales are skyrocketing and Sony stocks are way up. Sony aren't going to make the same mistake after they've seen what it did to Microsoft. So we still have at least two consoles this generation keeping the tradition alive.

Well thanks Xbox One. I was hoping for this to kick some major buttocks but now I may, after playing consoles my entire life, make the switch to PC. OR go to PS4.

Best start saving either way.

Yeah,sure i want a console which acts as my own little big brother monitor INCLUDING SURVEILLANCE CAM WITH FACE RECOGNITION which counts nicely how much people inhabit the room. Even in the dark. And then i have to pay more.

At first, i didn't believe it: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

Fu. Microsoft? Fu!

Rex Dark:
Well, at least this might decrease the amount of people insulting other people's mothers on XBox Live.

Your Mom has a dial-up connection.

"The Xbox ONE will do what my TV already does"... Nope, not even that: the Xbox ONE does NOT come with a screen! So, you still need to buy a TV...

This announcement did not make me more excited about the PS4, either... it made me more excited about getting a Wii U instead!

Normally, I play devil's advocate for the companies, because usually I feel like people expect what are actually unreasonable things from them.

But in this case, wow. This just sucks. It's not even a game console anymore. Why should I even buy it?

The worst part about this for me (and this is sad) is that I just really like the Xbox controller and I rather dislike the Sony controllers. But wow, if I even buy a next gen console, it'll probably be the PS4, if it means I can still lend games to friends.

It is probably for the best that Jim isn't our hitman, if he was I imagine that we would have to start paying him.

I won't be buying any consoles for the new generation, but this whole thing still makes me sad.

I mean, of all the names to call it, did they have to use Xbox One?

What am I supposed to call the original Xbox? Just "Xbox?" That gets confusing! Everybody already calls the Xbox 360 an Xbox...

"First Xbox" sounds awkward and the "black Xbox" was thrown out the window when Microsoft repainted the 360, so I'm stuck here.

Screw you Microsoft, and your weird naming practices too!

Magog1:

But as a Sony user and a computer convert, hay lifes good. Shame really, Xbox has been an interesting rival, a rival that kept sony honest at times.

My first console was the PS1 though I primarily use PC now. The old sony fanboy in me is glad to see the xbox flop, but the sensible person in me is afraid that sony is going to become arrogant again without a competitor. There is a possibility that if the Wii U dont start getting good games soon the PS4 will dominate this console gen. Not like the PS2, but still.

MWA HA HA! I have a Wii U. You Have no power here Microsoft.

I called it, years ago during the start of the 7th gen i said the 8th gen would be the last for gaming consoles. That by that time the differences between PCs and consoles would be too small to warrant the making of a gaming console instead of gaming centered PCs. neither the PS4 nor the Xbox one, can really justify their existence when they fill the same role as any decent PC. It is only through niche gaming peripherals (Wii, Kinect or Move)that a separate console system might survive and even that will quickly fold in to PC or smart TV. I guarantee people will finds ways to load Android or Linux on the 8th gen consoles to replace the clunky console OS rendering them in effect PCs.

Not sure if anyones noticed by this point or if it's just me, but that intro was like, so incredibly textbook tsundere. I approve.

OT: To be fair, that dog model focus caught my attention so badly because it was the only other thing mentioned besides them trying to sell us a Comcast One.

I'm just done. They have gone bat shit insane. Bets down on how often the Xbox Live server is down therefore denying you any ability to play on the console.

Absolutely spot-on, Jim. I mean, it's one thing to have Nintendo and Sony eat Microsoft's lunch... but this looks more like Microsoft is FORCE-FEEDING it to them.

I've been exclusively a PC gamer for years, but I've always felt there was a place for consoles in gaming- including their ease of use, and their market for trading games. Rather than exploit these strengths, Microsoft seems hellbent on obliterating them entirely in order to hop on every last profitable trend (games "in the cloud", streaming media, social interaction, etc.) at once. But the problem with being a jack of all trades is that you're a master of none, and expecting people to consolidate everything they do onto your hardware and all its picayune restrictions and requirements (mandatory Kinect connection? What the hell?!) just because "It's XBox" isn't exactly a recipe of success.

firmicute:
At first, i didn't believe it: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

...holy crap, is that actually a thing? Well, the mandatory Kinect connection suddenly makes a lot more (spine-chilling) sense. Console gamers, are you going to put up with this? I can write all the words I want, but it's your money that decides if this kind of thing succeeds or fails. Just how badly do you want that next Call of Duty game?

Aeonknight:

OZ7O:
WHAT'S THIS?JIM BEING A DUMBASS?NO WAY?!
I like how he said this is gonna be a console for the rich and he doesn't even know the price.I also like how he went on to bash a console for having MORE OPTIONS!HOW IS HAVING TV,INTERNET,MOVIES,MUSIC BAD?!?In my opinion,the focus of the conference was not good but the console IS! You HAVE to have these features to compete,you can't just be a OH I CAN PLAY GAMES box anymore.We all know that the xbox always has and WILL have good exclusive I.P.Halo,Gears of war,Crackdown,alan wake,quantum break might be good,RYSE and they might even bring out some rare games that HOPEFULLY won't suck!
All in all,i hate when people bash shit that hasn't even been released.Give it the benefit of the doubt.At the end of the day,the deciding features will be A)price B)games and C)what else it can do And for now both the PS4 and xbox one are looking good.In my opinion,the price won't be THAT expensive since sony said they are gonna learn from their mistakes and the xbox usually isn't that expensive.Also,i REALLY dislike Jim sterling,the guy who gave a game 10/10 JUST for the music and jokes,i'm looking at you, dumb deadly premonition review.Jim be sayin' shit just to say controversial shit.

Careful, your fanboy is showing.

You can claim that having options isn't a bad thing, but when you're looking for convenience (which is the only thing consoles have over PC gaming) of just putting the disc in and sitting back on the couch, adding a bunch of superfluous menus is just annoying. But that's just opinion, here's where it really fails:

-Always online console. As Jim said, there are people w/ crap internet out there, even in urban/suburban areas. You don't have to work for an ISP to hear the horror stories people put out w/ having unstable connections that disconnect them often, routers that aren't working properly, etc. And if your XboxOne can't connect to the server for a day, it bricks itself until it can. Convenience!

-Making you pay a fee to play used games on the console. Who thought this was a good idea? That's actually worse than EA's DLC/registration practices, because at least then my money is going to someone who puts out games I like (both EA and the developers.) I'm not paying the fucking console manufacturer to play used games when it's main priority is to play games. Also, I don't care how much you hate GameStop for what it does, the fact they are still in business means there is a market for used games. And XboxOne just gave the finger to that market.

I'm sure Xbox fanboys such as yourself will pick this up anyway. Your money, your decision and all that. But as someone who is impartial to either system (I have both in other words), Xbox just convinced me not to buy their next console. Getting CoD first isn't enough of a selling point.

If they retract some of these idiotic decisions, it may be salvagable. If they don't, then exactly one thing and one thing alone would redeem it:
Xbox Live being free.

Until then, PS4 beats it hands down.

So after a couple of days I saw this and i mostly agree with you.It does indeed look bad,but what I hate the most is when people flag something as bad and they have 0 experience with it.I honestly am a fanboy of the xbox and like it more then the ps because of the simplicity,elegance and it all looks and plays a bit nicer,but honestly I am sick of microsoft's shit with the xbox live crap,the fee's (witch will probably change since that system isn't set in place still) and now the (almost) always on DRM?!Nope,I would much rather go to the PS4,and now that I look back on it,if the PS3 had the same price I would have bot it.I just really hope the online play will be free and a bit better.I'm still pissed at jim for his lack of doubt,EVEN if he is a journalist!He lost my credibility.

scw55:
I didn't realise XBoxOne was the new console. I thought people were just talking about the original Xbox (like in was way Playstation was nicknames PSOne after the PS2), but like, 5 years after XBox 360.

Where I live, if the internet doesn't work, my whole world cracks. That's how reliant gaming has became on internet connections. Curse you XboxTwat.

Are Sony and Microsoft trying to make PC gaming superior?

Don't know about Sony, but MS might be trying to get those Linux and Apple users back, as much as I hate the pile of dogshit that is Windows, publishers (who aren't Valve) aren't going to give me much choice.

Necrofudge:
I won't be buying any consoles for the new generation, but this whole thing still makes me sad.

I mean, of all the names to call it, did they have to use Xbox One?

What am I supposed to call the original Xbox? Just "Xbox?" That gets confusing! Everybody already calls the Xbox 360 an Xbox...

"First Xbox" sounds awkward and the "black Xbox" was thrown out the window when Microsoft repainted the 360, so I'm stuck here.

Screw you Microsoft, and your weird naming practices too!

I've never called the Xbox 360 "Xbox", always by its full name or shortened to "360" calling the Xbox "Xbox" isn't a problem for me.

Crap I agree with Jim for once, the Xbone is crap.
If I want a DRM heavy Always online Entertainment Hub I just ask EA to design a Smart TV.

But I do not want a Entertainment Hub, I want a fucking bloody gaming system.

Even Steam offers a OFF LINE MODE. If I loose internet my SNES game carts do not vaporize.

I guess for the Next Gen I am sticking to PS4, the Ouya and the PC.

Or I can unpack my Dreamcast, PS2 and SNES from "moth balls" and go retro.

Microsoft stop with this cloud BS, wait, even better yet just scrap your whole gaming division like you was going to before halo 3 and work on making Windows Not suck, you are failing with Win 8.

OZ7O:
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Now we're getting somewhere. It's fine if you prefer the formatting that Microsoft has put on it's machines in the past, no one can fault you for that, being your opinion and all. And honestly, I do agree that this website especially has gotten very "glass is half empty" lately. But if these are the details as is, there would have to be something left out or added in the very near future that absolutely redeems the Xbox1 in order to change people's minds.

Although I should change my original statement, it's going to take more than just Xbox Live being free to turn this whole fiasco around.

I wonder if someone can make a console thats not overpriced, does not abuse its customers and one that has a good business model that is good for the developer the publisher and the consumer?

Oh sorry someone already did

http://www.ouya.tv/

The Xbox One reminds me of "The Homer" the car for the average Joe ^^

image

"Jerry, what's the sticker price?" "$82,000?" "This monstrosity costs $82,000? ... I'm ruined!"

The Rogue Wolf:

firmicute:
At first, i didn't believe it: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

...holy crap, is that actually a thing? Well, the mandatory Kinect connection suddenly makes a lot more (spine-chilling) sense. Console gamers, are you going to put up with this? I can write all the words I want, but it's your money that decides if this kind of thing succeeds or fails. Just how badly do you want that next Call of Duty game?

I wont buy this. this thing can recognize your face, monitor your heart rate, can see how many people are there ( i think up to five).. its like.. fucking scary, there is a wired-video on youtube, which shows what kinect2 can do.

This thing IS literally BIG BROTHER.

and i dont get it why jim and bob dont mention that. because-well, xbox fail because its like tv- not my problem. but kinect on permanent surveillance, with face recognition, which can see how many people are at my home, in my room, how they move (this can see force-eg if you jump it can see the force which works in your legs, it can see if you straighten your arm-it can see whether your palm is turned so it shows to the ground, like you let something fall down, or whether your palm shows to the ceiling, like you want somebody to put something in your hand. it can see whether you form a pistol with your hand or-maybe that you make the vulcan-handsign.
i cant write that precisely because my english is not good enough.

I've said this multiple times and I'll say it here: if there was ever a time where I'd truly consider being a PC gamer, now's the time.

OZ7O:

So after a couple of days I saw this and i mostly agree with you.It does indeed look bad,but what I hate the most is when people flag something as bad and they have 0 experience with it.I honestly am a fanboy of the xbox and like it more then the ps because of the simplicity,elegance and it all looks and plays a bit nicer,but honestly I am sick of microsoft's shit with the xbox live crap,the fee's (witch will probably change since that system isn't set in place still) and now the (almost) always on DRM?!Nope,I would much rather go to the PS4,and now that I look back on it,if the PS3 had the same price I would have bot it.I just really hope the online play will be free and a bit better.I'm still pissed at jim for his lack of doubt,EVEN if he is a journalist!He lost my credibility.

I just felt the need to point out that Jim isn't acting as a journalist, at least not in this capacity. Jimquisition is purely an "editorial" or an opinion piece. It has never been an objective view on anything occurring on the industry and it has never claimed to be. This is the "entertainment" section of The Escapist. Jim is simply giving you his opinion in his capacity as an entertainer.

He has never claimed to be acting as anything else in this segment.

Haven't really kept up to date with whats coming out for the Xbone but it sounds horrific.

Surely Microsoft must know that lots of people are spending most of their 'TV' time on the internet. Why would I bother browsing the web on a console? Until recently my 360 was gathering dust next to my PC, until I gave it to my cousin as his 360 died.

Aeonknight:

OZ7O:
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snip-a-doo

yeah,all of the hate was a load of nonsense,since half of the things they are complaining about are still in the works since they aren't hardware and can be changed at almost any time.The press conference and the half truth interviews where the reason shite hit the fan.All in all,i have faith in microsoft not to fuck it up THAT much,and i feel one of the main selling points isn't revealed for both of these consoles,their selling points.If i had to make a prediction,the PS4 is the way to go because of the kinect shipping with the console,which means bigger prices,the bad publicity they got and most importantly the fact that half of the things they focused on at the conference wasn't going to mean jack in my country.

badgersprite:

OZ7O:

So after a couple of days I saw this and i mostly agree with you.It does indeed look bad,but what I hate the most is when people flag something as bad and they have 0 experience with it.I honestly am a fanboy of the xbox and like it more then the ps because of the simplicity,elegance and it all looks and plays a bit nicer,but honestly I am sick of microsoft's shit with the xbox live crap,the fee's (witch will probably change since that system isn't set in place still) and now the (almost) always on DRM?!Nope,I would much rather go to the PS4,and now that I look back on it,if the PS3 had the same price I would have bot it.I just really hope the online play will be free and a bit better.I'm still pissed at jim for his lack of doubt,EVEN if he is a journalist!He lost my credibility.

I just felt the need to point out that Jim isn't acting as a journalist, at least not in this capacity. Jimquisition is purely an "editorial" or an opinion piece.

Yeah, so he's acting like every single journalist except possibly the ones currently working for C-Span.

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