Jimquisition: When The Starscreams Kill Used Games

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When The Starscreams Kill Used Games

The Xbox One will kill used games and control second-hand sales, and some people think that's great. Jim Sterling is not among them.

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If used games where to die, I would probably stop buying console games, since I can simply get games far cheaper for the pc.

Not only that but Valve realised that dropping prices down meant a HUGE increase in sales and overall profits. Companies like Microsoft and EA are only looking at the short term gains. They're basically The Once-ler from The Lorax, cutting down the Truffula trees to make a tidy buck right up until the last tree is felled.

I actually never buy used games at all, but I love having my consoles games in physical form and actually owned by me. Steam is acceptable on PC, same system on a console = GTFO. Console is supposed to be a dedicated gaming machine. No drm and activation shit.
Also, xbone will be region locked. And my favorite games from recent years (PS3, Vita) were ALL imported. And never came out in the west.

We only have to look at the most recent Steam Sales to show that even fan favourite Valve stopped doing the biggest sales once they gained such a dominant position in the marketplace. The cheapest place to get Steam games these days usually isn't on Steam.

Title should have read "PS4 and Xbox One might possibly have killed used games and controlled second-hand sales (refuted by both companies but who really listens to Microsoft or Sony?) and some people are upset because they feel like being upset and don't want to wait for all the facts."

The most recent info is that MS has worked out a way that used game retailers can sell for whatever they want and everybody gets a cut. Sony has enabled the PS4 to block used content but is putting the onus on the publishers so a similar arrangement may be reached.

Oh and obviously MS requires the firstborn of every consumer because they're MS. Though seriously, the firstborn is like the trial kid where you make all your mistakes anyways.

I think there is some fairness in arguing that the absence of used games doesn't harm a platform, since PC is doing fine without it; however, removing used games from consoles merely reinforces the trend of "consoles as shit PCs", and all that sentiment entails.

I can't even remember the last game I rented... :(

Some people just can't seem to understand that there will always be more people with less money.

Thank you, Jim.

I read that same article when it was posted & my jaw literally dropped

Thank you again for an impressive & important counterpoint

Publishers will always try to exploit everything, no matter how nice the consumer is.

DVS BSTrD:
I can't even remember the last game I rented... :(

You can still rent games?

(This comment was meant as a joke to emphasize what you said.)

...wow. I live in the UK, I go to GAME regularly, and I actually bought a PS3 from them a while back. Luckily, that one was second hand, and I also bought a game and a spare controller for it, so I walk away with a bargin and GAME got a fat bit of cash, but still... they only get 1% of a new sale? That's freaking unreal!

And yes, THANK GOD FOR YOU!

When the time comes that they will be forced to actually admit fault it may be too little too late.

Origin, and EA itself, should use a turd as their logo. I don't think anyone would object.

Chessrook44:

DVS BSTrD:
I can't even remember the last game I rented... :(

You can still rent games?

(This comment was meant as a joke to emphasize what you said.)

Actually, I don't think I've EVER rented a game, or even seen a place that still does rental...

Marohen:
I think there is some fairness in arguing that the absence of used games doesn't harm a platform, since PC is doing fine without it;

Not exactly fine due to all the very real piracy, but the PC isn't the target of these companies' attempts at total domination, the consoles are.

MichaelMaverick:

Marohen:
I think there is some fairness in arguing that the absence of used games doesn't harm a platform, since PC is doing fine without it;

Not exactly fine due to all the very real piracy, but the PC isn't the target of these companies' attempts at total domination, the consoles are.

Could you quantify the scale of piracy and its effect on game sales?

You kinda missed the point of my statement; if I can't buy a game used why don't I just wait until a steam sale and buy the game on there? The sentiment is that consoles have very little that's unique to offer and the removal of used games is just one less thing.

Oh don't worry about being positive Jim. The Xbox One reveal was so bad I think it might be responsible for a brand new form of post traumatic stress disorder.

If it wasn't for rentals and used games, I would have never bought every final fantasy, (except X-2 and XIII-2 cause yeah for those two you don't deserve my money). I would never bought Soul Reaver trilogy. Grand Turismo, Zelda Ocarina of Time, and the list can go on and on.

Gearhead mk2:
Actually, I don't think I've EVER rented a game, or even seen a place that still does rental...

If you've ever seen a Red Box machine, you've seen a game rental place.

Great background music, I liked how it reminded me of The Binding of Isaac, considering the topic at hand.

Yeah, expecting the death of used games to mean anything except the death of small game stores is lunacy.

Nice analogy, Jim, of making out the publishers and developers blaming used games for their woes as the cowardly, backstabbing Starscream. Perhaps, one day, these Starscreams of the games industry will meet the same fate as their namesake did...

Thank God for Jim Sterling, the Galvatron of the gaming community!

themilo504:
If used games where to die, I would probably stop buying console games, since I can simply get games far cheaper for the pc.

Exactly my thoughts. Alot of games are not worth the 40, so a lot of gamers will just not buy them. I really do think MS/Sony/EA whomever, feel that if there is no used game market we will just blindly buy full price regardless. When in fact, the most that will happen is the developers will lose tons of cash on all those unsold games.

Something people seem to be missing about used game sales is risk mitigation. Aside from colossal fuckups on the order of Colonial Marines, I can get a decent chunk of my money back if a game isn't what I wanted, or is really good but just lacks replay value.

This means I'm more willing to actually pay 60$, or even pre-order games that I'm not 100% sure are actually worth 60$. If there's no used game sales, then there's an extremely limited number of titles I'll be willing to buy for 60$, and even fewer I'll be willing to buy at launch.

Ultimately, what the Steam sales are competiting with, isn't even just GoG and self-publishing, but also... piracy.

Steam might have DRM, but it's nor unbreakable. All Steam games can be pirated, and Steam has to make up prices with the knowledge that they are depending on the benevolence of gamers who choose to pay.

Consoles don't have that. With their physical jailbreaking ending warranty and ruining online access, they have managed to kill piracy, so they can ask fr games whatever the hell they want.

This furthers my suspicion Jim's been stalking me. These are basically my arguments, except stated by a sexy Brit in a smashing hat.

I really do wonder why more people don't pay attention to the market that gaming companies have themselves created. Maybe people will now that Jim's said it, though.

I am currently unemployed but to me used games are currently the only way I can play new games if I can't sell my games I can't get new ones. I wish people understand that while games are luxury items they can be of great importance to some people and can bring peace to the mind when everything else seems to way my mind down.

I was at the mall yesterday decided to look into game stop to look around and all the used games I saw were more or less crap games ie shovel wear or movie tie in games and the like. That or old versions of COD and sport games.

I mention this because those games are very hard to sale and yet GS is nice enough to take them off our hands even at 10% of the full price.

I don't believe people should get profit from zero risk. I kinda want to play Metro Last Lite but not at 50 bucks, so as long as it's at 50 it will most likely not be bought by me even though it's a great game.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Jimothy Sterling:
When The Starscreams Kill Used Games

The Xbox One will kill used games and control second-hand sales, and some people think that's great. Jim Sterling is not among them.

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who ever they scramble to blame, the appologists will be right behind them nodding in support. I'm thinking it will probably be people who wait for sales/don't preorder for the next scape goat

Huh, I did not know hat he profit margin when it came to video games and consoles was that slim for retailers.

@Jim, would a system which eliminated used games for consoles result in a short lifespan for games that weren't released digitally also? As in, if a game was released in this hypothetical situation would it be harder for me to get a copy of it years after release than it would a game not released under this system

Entitled:
Ultimately, what the Steam sales are competiting with, isn't even just GoG and self-publishing, but also... piracy.

Steam might have DRM, but it's nor unbreakable. All Steam games can be pirated, and Steam has to make up prices with the knowledge that they are depending on the benevolence of gamers who choose to pay.

Consoles don't have that. With their physical jailbreaking ending warranty and ruining online access, they have managed to kill piracy, so they can ask fr games whatever the hell they want.

piracy is alive and well on the 360 and PS3. they stay offline and get the thing reflashed whenever a new firmware comes out, and dont give two f@cks about there warranty as they are getting games for the price of a blank disc. some even risk online and get away with it until theres a new wave of copyright protection

the thing about used games to me is, I have never ever planned to buy a used game. People who rally against used games are always like "People buy used games because they don't want to pay $60 and can just wait two weeks." I am not going to say that isn't happening but i figure it's a much smaller problem than it's made out to be. I buy used games because i walk over to the new release section don't see anything that really interests me and then i find a game i was really interested in about three months ago only there aren't any new copies.

I don't know if this is true but i think game publishers only produce a certain number game copies. and then never make any more. I mean go on amazon, look up a new game for the PS2 or Gamecube, unless it's a small title that didn't do too well new copies can run up into the $200 range. That's because there aren't any more new copies to sell, used games are sold because they are the only things left. I know, for fact, Discovery is still printing and packaging copies of Planet Earth. I don't know if this a cost cutting measure by publishers, or a price control measure. Either way in the end Jim's right, the industry has put itself in the position it's in. They can only screw over the customers so many times before market correction takes place.

Good episode, but there is one mistake. There is a used game market for PC, it's not very big and the one in my local Cex consists mostly of Dawn of War, Sims 2 expansions and those point and click adventures my aunt would buy but you will find some recently released games there. So saying that Steam sales are because of no used game market is wrong.

porous_shield:
Origin, and EA itself, should use a turd as their logo. I don't think anyone would object.

Well, to be fair Origin has had sales on my region. I bought Mass Effect 3 at 16 dollars, so there's that. I guess there haven't been any sales in other regions/countries.

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