Zero Punctuation: Metro: Last Light

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erttheking:

DarkhoIlow:
Ah, I was so very looking forward to this one from you Yahtzee and you didn't disappoint.

I really enjoyed Metro LL so much that I had to replay it again to get the good ending. I wonder if there's going to be a third game, regardless I hope it does well.

That'd be a bit tricky to do. I think you know why.

If they make canon the good ending, then it can continue, if not no.

Pretty much that.

canadamus_prime:

Muspelheim:

canadamus_prime:

Yes, but the mechanic still didn't make much sense. Besides was ammunition the only thing these people could think of to use as currency after the bomb hit? They couldn't have used something like, oh I don't know, bottle caps?

Well, bullets are useful and presumably relatively plentiful in the alternative Metro universe. It's about as logical a choice of currency as they were going to get, other than maybe rat sausage or cigarettes.

I never really noticed that big of a quality difference in the ammunition, myself. I mostly stuck to shotgun shells, though.

Except that you need the bullets to shoot the monsters.
"No don't shoot that monster! That's little Timmy's lunch money!"

If you would've read the book you would probably get it a bit better. As has been said before, bullets are plentiful and useful so it's more of useful things changing hands kind of a trade. There is also the deeper implication that everything is paid in lives. 1 bullet, is one life in the metro and in the metro life is cheap. Bullets are also rather easy to manufacture even underground and with shitty tools, I mean 19th century people made bullets for gods sake. Bottle caps have no real value, you can't do shit with them other than use them as money, where as bullets are bullets and as previously said useful... I am kinda going in circles here.

Also: Little Timmy probably won't need his lunch money when there's no such a thing as school or lunch. He might as well use it to shoot himself some lunch ;)

So why we aren't allowed to give this game to average codhead, again?
Outcome seems quite positive to humanity.

canadamus_prime:

Except that you need the bullets to shoot the monsters.
"No don't shoot that monster! That's little Timmy's lunch money!"

Yes, but there's loads of only slightly shittier post-war bullets lying about, I don't think every citizen would break out the Sunday ammo unless it was an emergency, or if they're one of the spoiled elite prats from The Hansa.

to be fair there were friendly Russians in the MW series haha
but in all seriousness, loved this review. my friend's been recommending the game to me, and I'm definitely going to try it out this weekend

I've played Metro 2033 but did not finish it, first few levels made me so depressed. The only thing that was missing was a 1 year old boy in a room watching the popular Russian cartoon 'Shoe & Shoelace'.

themilo504:
Personally I kind of like public transport, does anybody know if public transport is better in the Netherlands compared Australia?

Its not that bad, sometimes they are late and occasionally you get someone off their face and screaming but other then that.

gamegod25:
What irked me the most about the game is the inclusion of what can only be called boss fights. The first game didn't have any and that was perfectly fine by me. Instead this time you get locked in an area and not allowed to leave until the monster is dead. This resulted in some controller throwing during one fight because I happened to be down to my last air filter and I kept suffocating before rather than dying to the actual boss. Oh and did I mention all the bosses take an entire armory of bullets to put down? And that this is is a game about scrounging and saving supplies so ammo is always scarce? And that one boss you have to fight twice in a row with only a short tunnel between arenas and barely any supply pickups? So...yeah :/

The atmosphere and detail to the world is absolutely fantastic, the core gameplay is still solid and fun, but it gets bogged down by issues like that mentioned above. Give it a rent at the very least ^^

you sure the first game didnt have boss fights? really? i seem to remember the tank section, arguably the black librarians, the nuclear ooze monster. gameplay wise this game is basically the same, but with a little bit more linearity in terms of completing the areas.

anywho funny video, i still think i prefere the first one a little more, but the last light is definitely more fun overall

Loved the game, but I have one very big gripe with it: it completely retconed the good ending, so you start the game having committed a genocide, and every character congratulating Artyom about that made me want to punch the screen after all the trouble I went through to save the dark ones to ensure peace in the metro in the previous game, especially considering Last Light is using the same method to try to make you care about the Little One.

If they really wanted to make all players start from the bad ending, they still could have integrated it in the story to be less infuriating, e.g. Artyom has a dream about the good ending, but when he wakes up, he remembers he didn't, then it wouldn't have broken the storyline.

It was especially sadistic when

x.x

I'm surprised he didn't commend them for their decision to ignore that idiotic executive demand for a multiplayer mode.

Wow, this actually looks pretty good!

Also what's up with Train Puns?

For that bloke you were sitting next to on the bus, the driver has the pleasure of dealing with all the live long day. So yes, "Thank you, sir" is the enthusiastic cry following by well wishes.

I like public transportation, although I only ever travel by bus. It's quite nice when it's not completely packed.

Also, train puns lol.

Anyone else spot a swastika at 2:17 ?

I'd say it was quite an entertraining episode.

I have the same issue with public transport! Do you say "thank you" to them? I mean, it's their job. In any case, I still think public transport could be the future of transportation if it were improved to a point where it's at least remotely usable.

On topic: does anyone get recent ZPs where the video is out of sync with the audio?

themilo504:
Personally I kind of like public transport, does anybody know if public transport is better in the Netherlands compared Australia?

It probably is considering Australia is huge, and it's hot as fucking shit, and the Netherlands is quite tiny by comparison.

Muspelheim:
Now, I do have a theory to both why Artyom actually never speaks to anyone and why he have some resistance to psionic influence that most people around him doesn't. Maybe he's severely autistic, and can't actually speak, other than inside his head? And maybe his autism somehow gives him extra psionic resilience, so he can look at a Dark One without bad gangsta-rap immediately flooding his head.

It's kind of funny that someone brought up how silent Artyom is, because in the book he never seems to be able to shut up. It's not like they couldn't get a voice actor for him either; as he narrated the opening of each chapter in the first game.

Think I might look into getting this now. Two questions for anyone who has played it:

1. Is it absolutely necessary to play Metro 2033 to understand what's going on in this one, or can a newcomer play comfortably without it?

2. Does this game play well on Xbox 360?

The train puns would've been funnier if Yahtzee hadn't just made the -exact- same pun three times and then blatantly signaled it (train puns lol) after each one. Yes, stories often railroad you, we get it. But there's so many other train puns that you could shunt into the same place.

So Nazis huh?
First the Hitlet Kettle going viral now this!?
When will it end!?

This game is fantastic, buy it with no hesitation. Ridiculous amount of attention to detail, with possibly the greatest FPS idle animations. I've been playing it completely non-lethal and it's very satisfying as a stealth game. Bloody gorgeous, too.

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But I hope you're not scared of spiders, because this game has the most amount of spiders and the variety of them you'll see in quite some time. Yup, there's a spider/scorpion hybrid.

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geldonyetich:
I'll probably wait until it hits $30, 'cuz the trouble with these games is I play them once, am riveted for about 15 hours, but them I'm done with it forever.

Is there anything wrong with that? Are we this cynical that 15 hours doesn't cut it for us? What's that magical game length for a $50 game? Games aren't meant to be long-time commitments, unless if they're MMOs. You had a great experience, that should be enough.

Welp, I guess I'm going to annoy the Metro 2033 fan club. Stop reading if you liked it.

I heard mixed reviews about 2033, even from STALKER-nuts like me. I picked it up cheap on Steam, and I really did try to like it. But it's not a game, its the novel 'Metro 2033'. Oh its certainly true that you have a fair amount of freedom in some areas, like that excruciating escort mission (which I passed by killing all the goo-generating things from Very Far Away), and the multiple paths you can take through the neo-Soviet vs. neo-Nazi battlefield. For much of the game, it does seem to play like a game, if a bit rail-shootery with an economy in name only. I was still going along with it; I had my disbelief suspenders set to maximum.

Then I took stock of the game's problems.

> The story's ending is telegraphed very early. Not foreshadowed; telegraphed. That's poor presentation of the story, which did deserve better. Maybe it was not obvious to every one else?

> Infinitely respawning mutant whatevers in some set-pieces. Even mutants would roam in packs. Packs usually comprise a number less than infinity. I don't get why Yahtzee didn't pick up on this, because infinite mutants is effectively another way of 'raising the stakes' or 'peril level' or whatever to 11. Shouldn't be necessary.

> I couldn't tell if Y.C. was disparaging Metro's stealth, but I certainly am. Stealth set-pieces looked good, but I was undetectable when I should have been obvious, and couldn't stealth through other areas no matter how dark I made it or careful I was. The broken glass was a neat mechanic. Stealth still broken.

> Set pieces where you cannot (usually) be killed. I'm not kidding, once I realized what I had found, I went back and found more in my saved games. That's not a game, that's Dear Esther with a violent backdrop.

> Quick Time Events. Deity Condemned Quick Time Events.

> The entire last part of the game was nothing but busywork until the 'game' got around to the big reveal that I already knew about. Complete with QTE's.

> The game kept wanking off to itself and 'Roadside Picnic'. 'Roadside Picnic' is a great story, but the self-adulation belongs in Duke Nukem Forever. Put your 'weapon' away and tell the story.

I have to conclude that Yahtzee decided that he liked 2033 because he did not play past the escort mission, and enough time had passed that he remembered it fondly. Strangely enough, I'm keen to play it again sometime just to make sure that it deserves all the aforementioned comments. I think that it is the story along with certain gameplay elements that create enough tension for it to be memorable. I like the gas mask mechanic in the above-ground sequences, but if you're having trouble reading your majik compass, chances are that you're also really thin on gas masks. Oh, and why can't you just take the gas mask off the last bloke that you killed? I'd complain about it being cutscene-heavy but they did a better job of telling the story than the gameplay did.

There are certainly worse games, I just think that the Metro 2033 story deserved better execution.
And I'm a little disappointed in Yahtzee for giving it a solid 'meh'.

I do hope that Last Light is a better game.

I considered Metro a failed opportunity. I hoped that the new one would be better. Wrong... it has exactly the same problems. You're being pushed from station to station, with no possibility of exploring or choosing your patch, or even backtracking. I'd rather they made a movie about it so I can eat my pizza in peace. If you want to explore metro lines, install Fallout 3 again.

Now Metro is not a BAD game... oh wait.. yes it is. It's a bad GAME. But it's still a nice story and experience. But why Nazis? Why does it have to be Nazis again?!!! In Moscow?! Which reminds me... hoverboards aside... why don't we have a good freeroaming fps in Stalingrad? Is it so much to ask? Why do I have to install the first CoD's again and again to get my russian charge/sniping/sock-bomb fix?

I use public trasnprot every day and i think it is a GREAT way to gettign around.

Zombine3D:
the russian writing sez: "americans are dead and no one cares"

The second does it and the firest says "Various russian words"

If I recall correctly they do talk about survivors in other nations, or rather how none of them have responded to radio calls. Come to think of it that may have been in 2033.

SkarKrow:

Barciad:

themilo504:
Personally I kind of like public transport, does anybody know if public transport is better in the Netherlands compared Australia?

The buses in Australia weren't so bad. The air con was a bit overdone. I think I ended up with pneumonia by the end of it. Public transport in the UK on the other hand, the less said about the better.

Public transport in the UK? I can summarise it very quickly: late, expensive, smells of toilet, lots of tourists and crazy people, very rude staff.

See, not much to discuss, it's just really terrible. At least when it was state owned it was terrible but free.

OT: I still need a job to pick up all the shiny new games suddenly coming out. Where were they in the run up to Xmas when I actually had money? Oh yeah, hiding from Call of Duty _

Now that's not entirely fair. If you know exactly where you need to be two months before you set out and are inexplicably aware which of the 5 competing bus companies will have taken over the route you need in your destination area by then, then it can be merely late and smelly.

ClockworkPenguin:

SkarKrow:

Barciad:

The buses in Australia weren't so bad. The air con was a bit overdone. I think I ended up with pneumonia by the end of it. Public transport in the UK on the other hand, the less said about the better.

Public transport in the UK? I can summarise it very quickly: late, expensive, smells of toilet, lots of tourists and crazy people, very rude staff.

See, not much to discuss, it's just really terrible. At least when it was state owned it was terrible but free.

OT: I still need a job to pick up all the shiny new games suddenly coming out. Where were they in the run up to Xmas when I actually had money? Oh yeah, hiding from Call of Duty _

Now that's not entirely fair. If you know exactly where you need to be two months before you set out and are inexplicably aware which of the 5 competing bus companies will have taken over the route you need in your destination area by then, then it can be merely late and smelly.

You're right there my distinct lack of clairvoyance does make using public transport in the UK significantly more difficult. Particularly as I can't forsee when some idiot commiting suicide or some leaves on the train tracks will delay a 20 minute commute to Lancaster by 3 hours.

karamazovnew:
I considered Metro a failed opportunity. I hoped that the new one would be better. Wrong... it has exactly the same problems. You're being pushed from station to station, with no possibility of exploring or choosing your patch, or even backtracking. I'd rather they made a movie about it so I can eat my pizza in peace. If you want to explore metro lines, install Fallout 3 again.

Now Metro is not a BAD game... oh wait.. yes it is. It's a bad GAME. But it's still a nice story and experience. But why Nazis? Why does it have to be Nazis again?!!! In Moscow?! Which reminds me... hoverboards aside... why don't we have a good freeroaming fps in Stalingrad? Is it so much to ask? Why do I have to install the first CoD's again and again to get my russian charge/sniping/sock-bomb fix?

Why Nazis? Because in reality Russia has the highest concentration of Neo-Nazis in Europe. In the book it's even mentioned that they descended from an IRL group.

The train puns where funny as too was the Modern Warfare punchline at the end made me giggle

So what you are saying, this is a good game? Yes? Yes

-M

SinisterGehe:

Tho admittedly Artyom gets in to pickle bit too easily at times. But still my favorite character in a videogame series in a LOOOONG FUCKING TIME!
ALso the stealthing is great fun. Tho I hated the bits where there was any kind of animal life against you, it was just batshit insane, creepy and unpleasant. I sprinted through them fast as I could.

I find it funny how Artyom can be so unlucky, but then quite lucky as well.

As for the beasties, I remember being able to stealth through quite a bit of it. A few are mandatory, but the option was sometimes there!

dvd_72:

SinisterGehe:

Tho admittedly Artyom gets in to pickle bit too easily at times. But still my favorite character in a videogame series in a LOOOONG FUCKING TIME!
ALso the stealthing is great fun. Tho I hated the bits where there was any kind of animal life against you, it was just batshit insane, creepy and unpleasant. I sprinted through them fast as I could.

I find it funny how Artyom can be so unlucky, but then quite lucky as well.

As for the beasties, I remember being able to stealth through quite a bit of it. A few are mandatory, but the option was sometimes there!

Yeah I stealthed around and through them expect the mandatory attack scenarios and some side-tracks that I explored. Tho after the few first extra spider tunnels I decided to skip them all. I didn't want to do anything extra with the fauna. And yes the surface and catacombs had bits which you could stealth. But I was so afraid of getting the fauna to attack me that I just - did everything to sprint through them.

Yeah Artyom had some lucky bits. But I want to know - what the fuck Khan really is? Like, he knows and understands the metro and the "planes" of existence that exist in the new world. Like - He can't just be experienced and knowledgeable. I am not saying hes a living Deus ex machina.
I just want to know more about it.
Now the the ending ensured that the Artyom's tale won't be continued. I want to have a sidequel about Khan's past! The money couldn't exist my wallet fast enough for that.

KDR_11k:
I guess the "disregarding other cities" thing is just a result of the area around Moscow being so inhospitable that you have no realistic way of even checking what happened to the rest of the world. For all you know they could have turned Russia into a giant monster zoo while the rest of the world is fine and happy.

Actually in the books 2033 and 2034 they were mentioning that radio is unable to catch almost anything
Sometimes they can contact distant survivors, but it is either not for long or they are in "unknown" languages (unknown because people who knew other languages besides russian are either very old or dead)

Moeez:

geldonyetich:
I'll probably wait until it hits $30, 'cuz the trouble with these games is I play them once, am riveted for about 15 hours, but them I'm done with it forever.

Is there anything wrong with that? Are we this cynical that 15 hours doesn't cut it for us? What's that magical game length for a $50 game? Games aren't meant to be long-time commitments, unless if they're MMOs. You had a great experience, that should be enough.

In a way, there is indeed something wrong with that: the wider scheme of Gamer entertainment dollar in a glutted gaming market.

Fact of the matter is, I'm up to my armpits in games to play already, a lot of these games I get for free, not because I pirate them (I don't pirate anything, and this makes me an eccentric freak amongst PC gamers) but because F2P with micro-payments is the model on many excellent games.

It's reached the point where I have set the bar at about a full hour of entertainment out of a game for every 50 cents to a dollar I spend on it. I'm actually giving Metro: Last Light double that, specifically because I anticipate a great experience, and it's still too expensive for 15 hours of play.

If you're in a position to be freer with your entertainment dollar than me, that's your prerogative. Sure, you could argue how could I possibly be shorting quality artists for their work like this but, dude, they're under some obligation to produce a viable competing product. I'm actually being somewhat generous to suggest I'd pay $30 for it, because I could just rent this on GameFly and be done with it in a couple days.

This is not even touching the Ranger Mode controversy which is making many people not want to pay for the game at all.

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