The Big Picture: Boy's Own Adventure

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Get out of the kiddie pool Bob. You are crushing the children against the wall.

Le_Lisra:
What would these morons think if they watched/read Ranma 1/2? :D

Personally, I don't care. Sounds like a fun thing if I'd still be 12 years old.

What astounds me however is how bad the animation looks. Looks like 2 dudes did it at home with flash o

Glad to see someone mentioning Ranma 1/2!
I would also like to add "Kore wa Zombie Desu ka","kamen no maid guy" and a couple others.

Someone should send the American news pundits a calendar so they can see what century they live in!

Oh shit, this takes me back to the days when Ranma 1/2 was being aired in public TV (we had no fancy cable back then), I thought the show was hilarious, but having a mom that's even afraid of her own shadow wasn't easy, but I still managed to watch many animes back then, heck, we got the uncensored versions of many animes (that's why it always pisses me off to watch the US version of Dragon Ball Z).

I guess none of the guys at Fox ever watched Cybersix. Oh wait, that's because the morons banned the show in the US after its first run because of the crossdressing superhero.

Where else do you see an androgynous woman jump between being a male teacher and then fighting Nazi mutants with her "Brother reborn as a Jaguar"?

tmande2nd:
Man my dad watches Fox news.

I watch it to make myself laugh.
Seriously.

GO and watch it, it is funnier than Colbert or Stewart, without even trying to be.

I love hearing them RAGE about NEW THINGS.
"X, X IS DESTROYING 'MERICA!"

It's funny until you remember that those people represent the actual views of roughly half the people who run the country. Then it's depressing.

Anyway, I thought SheZow's gimmick of "I'm a superhero, but I'm also a girl! Tee-hee! Watch me use makeup and hairbrushes as weapons!" was kind of over the top, but then I remembered that she was the kid's ... great-aunt, I think? Which means her heyday would have been around the Silver Age. Before series like The Fantastic Four and Teen Titans existed. I'm not too familiar with what sort of characters were around back then, but I could definitely see a character like SheZow popping up.

Hmm, now I'm tempted to draw a fake 1960s-style SheZow comic book cover. Heck, a real comic book series chronicling her exploits would make a good tie-in, if it ever got popular enough to merit one.

Gatx:

Ukomba:
Since this change is FORCED on the protagonist and the thin premise seems to mostly involve making jokes at his expense, how is this a positive portrayal? There doesn't seem to be ANY gender identity stuff here, it's just 'ha ha, you look like a girl now'. If he'd dressed up like that on purpose, or the ring brought out his true inner self or some bs it would be different. This being a point of contention is stupid for both sides of the issue. Arguing about Bert and Ernie is dumb but even that makes more sense.

I haven't seen the show but from having read the synopsis, I can imagine then going down a rout where eventually he'll have more "respect" for the identity and females in general. So I mean it's not necessarily a transgender show, but it could support positive views for both genders separately, and maybe even blur the line between what's acceptable for either gender.

Respect for and understanding of things girls have to deal with, sure I can see that. Bluring the line, not so much. It would be different if he was obviously a boy in girls clothing, but it appears that only people who know will be able to tell that. It's actually a more watered down version of Gravity Fall's "Carpet Diem".

On top of that, the whole premise seems too thin to support even a single season without getting either repetitive or stale. It would be like trying to base a series around Sally Solomon from Third Rock From the Sun.

I have one question...and it's a very serious one.

When can we finally sue/criminally charge Fox News and/or any of these other overly conservative groups for what basically amounts to harassment of the GLBTQ community and those that support them?

Seriously...this crap is getting out of hand and a line needs to be drawn.

orangeapples:

gphjr14:
I guess past generations didn't have a problem when Bugs Bunny was dressing up like a woman and kissing Elmer Fudd.

now that I think about it, when was bugs not naked or dressed like a woman?

When he wore the tuxedo for the episodes with the annoying cute penguin.

GamemasterAnthony:
I have one question...and it's a very serious one.

When can we finally sue/criminally charge Fox News and/or any of these other overly conservative groups for what basically amounts to harassment of the GLBTQ community and those that support them?

Seriously...this crap is getting out of hand and a line needs to be drawn.

Nope, because Rupert Murdoch is an evil genius. By telling a court in the early 2000s that Fox News is "entertainment" and not "news", they can say whatever they want and claim it was satire when challenged. It's a disgusting legal loophole.

SupahGamuh:
Oh shit, this takes me back to the days when Ranma 1/2 was being aired in public TV (we had no fancy cable back then), I thought the show was hilarious, but having a mom that's even afraid of her own shadow wasn't easy, but I still managed to watch many animes back then, heck, we got the uncensored versions of many animes (that's why it always pisses me off to watch the US version of Dragon Ball Z).

Try Dragonball Z Kai (because the original Japanese track is a crime against humanity, it is the 4kids dub of original language tracks). Edited out the filler and re-inserted the violence and good stuff.

I spent a good twenty minutes thinking of something I could write up. An examination of American conservative news pundits. The cynical marketing minds at the Hub (and their connection to the Hasbro corporation). The shift in perception of gender roles in the past 50 years. Cautious optimism for a second season of The Aquabats Super Show.

Then, perhaps the most interesting point of all struck me.

The part of this that should be causing me to talk, the SHOW ITSELF, is completely innocuous to me.

The thought of a boy named Guy using pink and glittery super powered gear to fight crime isn't a shocking concept. It concerns me how they can make the one-note joke that is the series' main angle last more than an episode without getting tiresome, but that's a structural concern, not a conceptual one. It's not a ploy to corrupt my hypothetical children, it's not forcing me to ask difficult questions about my own sexuality. It's a cartoon that I only hope is well written enough to withstand the sudden wave of interest from concerned parents and media talking heads.

I'm torn. One the one hand I have dignifying anything out of Fox news as anything but the ranting o someone off their meds. On the other I want to toss that final season of Sailor Moon at them (Sailor Stars) and sit back and watch the frothing mouths. Hell, just about any uncensored season of that show should set them off.

Sadly I have to be the bigger man and say Fox's job is to be outraged at stuff like this, so it's better to leave them be as it's always something: The Muppets, Mass Effect, Sesame Street, The Lorax, to name a few. It'll be over in a week and they'll find something new pushing the _______ agenda to bitch about. Don't treat them as anything but the joke they are.

Redd the Sock:
I'm torn. One the one hand I have dignifying anything out of Fox news as anything but the ranting o someone off their meds. On the other I want to toss that final season of Sailor Moon at them (Sailor Stars) and sit back and watch the frothing mouths. Hell, just about any uncensored season of that show should set them off.

Sadly I have to be the bigger man and say Fox's job is to be outraged at stuff like this, so it's better to leave them be as it's always something: The Muppets, Mass Effect, Sesame Street, The Lorax, to name a few. It'll be over in a week and they'll find something new pushing the _______ agenda to bitch about. Don't treat them as anything but the joke they are.

At least they don't control the IRS.

WaitWHAT:
Huh, that's pretty odd. I'd've thought that the lesbian and gay communities would be the most open to this, seeing as many of them would have faced rejection and discrimination for their own sexuality. And it's particularly ironic considering that very few of them are actually likely to be 100% only attracted to their same gender all of the time. Guess it shows that bigotry is an equal opportunity character flaw.

People are complex and inclined towards their particular group. (i.e., "Me and my brother against my cousin; me and my cousin against my neighbour; me and my neighbour against that outside") When a society marginalizes a large swath of people, then seems ready to offer some of them a level of equality and acceptance they weren't offered before while still excluding the rest, it would be an extremely altruistic and moral act to say "you take all of us or none of us". Very few people can make that step: history is full of examples co-marginalized people throwing each other under the bus to get ahead, whether ethnic, racial, political, or religious. It's hard to expect sexual orientation would somehow be immune.

1337mokro:
Get out of the kiddie pool Bob. You are crushing the children against the wall.

Someone needs to draw that image.

Wow, the first gender-related Big Picture that didn't enrage me.
Still, if I were to get that ring I would hand it over to some girl and offer to be her sidekick or tech support instead, like Wade from Kim Possible or more probably just leave it there and not bother.
As a question to every other guy here, what you you do?

Do you know how many movies have been made in the last 35 years that have men dressed as women as the main point of the movie? Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, John Leguizamo played transvestites in "To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar" and you got Tootsie, Mrs. Doubtfire, oh I just found a wikipedia list it's pretty big http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-dressing_in_film_and_television ...................Shakespeare.(Besides men playing female roles he had a play where a woman pretended to be a man.)... This crap has been going on for ages. Not just adults cross dressing but kids too in some movies. the only thing a little different is that this is the gag of a kids the show.

Oh, and gay ninjas broke into my house and made my whole family gay, then destroyed my family.

GamemasterAnthony:
I have one question...and it's a very serious one.

When can we finally sue/criminally charge Fox News and/or any of these other overly conservative groups for what basically amounts to harassment of the GLBTQ community and those that support them?

Seriously...this crap is getting out of hand and a line needs to be drawn.

Interesting questions. Would conservative groups be able to criminally charge CNN/ABC/MSN and liberal groups in return? Or would this only be for specifically approved ideologies?

Wait... "Gumball" quality? MovieBob LIKES Gumball? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a decent show and all, and I just LOVE the visuals and the way it blends different styles of animation, but the actual show itself... Eh... Wouldn't put it in the same camp as Adventure Time, though. As for Shezow, I don't feel interested at ALL in seeing this show, mostly because the visuals don't seem that impressive. Not to mention, most people who've seen it haven't saying good things about it, and not just the anti-LGBT nutballs, either. And having seen the clips of it... Boy, and people thought the horse-related puns in MLP were bad. These are just cringe-worthy!

MovieBob:
Quoted for attention!

Bob, you made a few good points here, and I'm as annoyed by Fox's shenanigans as you are, but I'd like to inform you of a misconception that you made in your video: it is not a transsexual cartoon, but rather a transvestite or drag superhero cartoon. Transsexual people, such as myself, have the full gender identity of out target gender, instead of our birth sex, as opposed to the main character of that show, who stated clearly that he's a dude. It's not that I don't appreciate the idea and the sentiment, but rather that I don't really relate to the character as much as one might hope. It feels very much like the outsider's idea of what goes on, rather than our perspective.

Soviet Heavy:
I guess none of the guys at Fox ever watched Cybersix. Oh wait, that's because the morons banned the show in the US after its first run because of the crossdressing superhero.

Where else do you see an androgynous woman jump between being a male teacher and then fighting Nazi mutants with her "Brother reborn as a Jaguar"?

Still one of my favorite intro songs ever.

As for this issue? It was on the Canadian news here this weekend, I think, and basically it was "The Americans think this is a big deal, apparently," and then our news went on to interview the creator in a very professional manner. The creator was basically scratching his head. I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said "I thought it was a funny concept for a guy to dress up as a girl to be a superhero, so that's why I made it."

the absolute funniest part about this is how fox doesn't seem to realize all this does is make more people watch it. I mean I doubt strict tea party parents were letting their kids watch friendship is magic in the first place.

SwimmingRock:

DVS BSTrD:
And yet when Beast Boy or Ben Ten turns into different SPECIES nobody could gives a fuck.

Considering how often the rhetoric goes:"If we allow gay marriage, people will start marrying their dogs next" it honestly wouldn't surprise me if this becomes an issue someday. And that makes me very sad.

Also, I think Bob was joking when he claimed the gay agenda is communism, but I've had somebody tell me to my face and without the slightest hint of sarcasm that teaching children homosexuality is okay is socialism. I tried explaining to him that socialism has literally nothing to do with anyones sexual orientation, but it was a lost cause. So, yeah, you might actually be right, Bob.

I need a fucking drink now.

You should also throw in that socialism isn't an inherently negative thing either ;) It's how we have roads, police, firefighters, etc.

Le_Lisra:
What would these morons think if they watched/read Ranma 1/2? :D

Personally, I don't care. Sounds like a fun thing if I'd still be 12 years old.

What astounds me however is how bad the animation looks. Looks like 2 dudes did it at home with flash o

I watched ranma 1/2 and i'd tell you it's literally the tom and jerry of anime where after the first 20 or so episodes literally no one developes as a character and the whole plot is one great big giant hamster wheel.

And I loved the show LOL and I'm telling you this.

The idiots making a huge deal out of this no doubt saw the PINK outfit and went crazy!
A BOY... in... PINK?!!!!

However, just check the first of this articles' points:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19780_5-gender-stereotypes-that-used-to-be-exact-opposite.html

Pink used to be a very MASCULINE color for a long time!
Take that, every crackpot berating a male from any age for wearing pink.
Take that, and a whole lot more, grrrrr!

Amgeo:
I haven't watched the show (yet) but I agree with Bob that representations of gender in the superhero genre are very problematic. One thing that's very cool is how the character of Batwoman has evolved from a bad joke about being a female Batman to one of the coolest characters in DC.

Yet I'm not sure that She-Zow! is quite as helpful to LGBTQA acceptance as Bob made it sound, even with all the qualifiers he put on there. The joke still relies on a strict gender binary, and I can't imagine that it strains itself to teach the kids about the nuances of recognizing your own identity. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

Yeah, I think that ponies and Batman are really the only things currently keeping the Hub humming.

Speaking of, I'd like to thank Bob for taking what I feel is the best stance on the pony fandom, that since he doesn't care too much about the show the fans' existence does not affect him and therefore he doesn't talk about it except where it becomes relevant, and then only in passing. No lectures about how some fans take it too far, no discussions of how it affects the larger culture, he is just aware of it as a thing.

To be fair, there's also Animaniacs.

Back on topic, the series is in fact something new. (New enough don't split hairs with bugs bunny cross dressing).

If I get a chance i'm gonna give it a peak. The only real irony being if it wasn't for the bad press of the show as bob sorta said himself "we'd have no fucking idea about this God damn show."

So Bob.. you get a A Plus for this episode wether Shezo sucks or not.
It's precisely because of horribly retarded crap like gum ball
like chowder
like flap jack

that someone went for something that's big selling point wasn't people being stupid. (Course I could totally be wrong I haven't seen it yet LOL).

Of course this pissed off fox. that's great. we wouldn't be talking about it if it didn't. So thank you fox. Thank you Bob.

And a reminder kids.. wisdom is where you find it... even if it's in spite of itself.

Soviet Heavy:
I guess none of the guys at Fox ever watched Cybersix. Oh wait, that's because the morons banned the show in the US after its first run because of the crossdressing superhero.

Where else do you see an androgynous woman jump between being a male teacher and then fighting Nazi mutants with her "Brother reborn as a Jaguar"?

you know this may not have been my cup of tea.... or I'm not even sure what kind of tea this was..

but I can tell someone really.. really. really tried with this show (It would appear).

Damn this thread delivers.

So its like Kampfer without all the titillation.

Interesting. I would never have heard about this show without such a fuss being made about it. Maybe we're about to see the streisand effect in action. This definitely isn't what they think it is so it's interesting. Then again, having lived through the ridiculous "Harry Potter will teach your children to summon Satan over your dead cold corpse" era I'm not surprised by and not even listening to that crowd anymore. *sigh*

Great reporting though, thanks for being the counterbalance on the issue. A sane person in a frantic room can make all the difference.

Trishbot:

Given that the entire show is built around this like it was a throwaway gag that won't be thrown away, I find this post all the more clever and accurate. I mean so far all the jokes in the shown footage was 'Tee-hee, that boy's in a dress.' with varying degrees of subverting that.

Honestly, the Hub needs that attention even if it's controversy. No one watches that channel outside of MLP.
On that note however the show seems average.
It's the equivalent of those 90's live action shows where the male cast dresses up as a girl to get into a club or something. Or various skits where it's basically a bunch of men dressed as women having parody conversations about what women supposedly talk about in real life. Nickelodeon was notorious for that.
Yet I didn't hear the media complain.
So what's the difference here exactly?

I came across the whole "poor values for children" argument on another site.

Yea, like teaching kids an invisible sky wizard that killed children by the hundreds of thousands will torture them forever if they step out of line is good values.

Besides, I saw an episode on youtube just to see what the fuss is about, and the worst thing about it is the awful puns that are piled into every minute of it.

OH well, anything that makes the fundies show how horrible they are to the rest of society and lose more support is a good thing.

Magog1:

Soviet Heavy:
I guess none of the guys at Fox ever watched Cybersix. Oh wait, that's because the morons banned the show in the US after its first run because of the crossdressing superhero.

Where else do you see an androgynous woman jump between being a male teacher and then fighting Nazi mutants with her "Brother reborn as a Jaguar"?

you know this may not have been my cup of tea.... or I'm not even sure what kind of tea this was..

but I can tell someone really.. really. really tried with this show (It would appear).

Damn this thread delivers.

I'd say give it a shot. Jose is a funny little psychopath villain.

I once briefly dated a girl who's mother watched Fox religiously...

Girl was nice enough - but it didn't last since I was clearly a commie-pinko-hippy-terrorist in the eyes of her mom

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