Movie Defense Force: Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth

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Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth

Unbearable, isn't it? The suffering of strangers, the agony of friends. There is a secret song at the center of the world, Escapist, and its sound is like razors through flesh.

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As someone who has watched a hellraiser flick, it is now my OBLIGATION to watch one

I can't help but notice that a lot of these movie defenses of yours essentially consist of, "Well, at least you can laugh at how bad it is."

I used to loathe this movie as for me it was the point at which the entire Hellraiser franchise completely shit the bed. I have to admit though that your little trip down Nostalgia Boulevard is making me wonder if maybe my anger was more than a bit misplaced. Watching the film in a less serious manner could prove quite entertaining. I'll have to track a copy down and see how it plays out a second time round.

Zhukov:
I can't help but notice that a lot of these movie defenses of yours essentially consist of, "Well, at least you can laugh at how bad it is."

That's what happens when you try to pretend that something awful has any redeeming qualities. It reminds me Moviebob's plea for people to stop ironically enjoying things and this bit from Bill Hicks:

Pinhead had a good side? Been a long time since I saw a hellraiser film, because I don't remember that.

This is an interesting series and I'm glad that it's here on The Escapist. However, I cannot, for the life of me, understand but about a third of the theme song. Perhaps it's time to look into that hearing aid after all.

Getting older sucks. :(

Ralen-Sharr:
Pinhead had a good side? Been a long time since I saw a hellraiser film, because I don't remember that.

The lieutenant that was turned into pinhead was considered his "good" side. As good as someone interested in Marchands cube can be at least.

BTW, the cd guy was named in the credits, cd the dj. I watched way too much hellraiser when these were in theatres.

Oh, this was such a wonderfully awful series. I watched all of it.

Zhukov:
I can't help but notice that a lot of these movie defenses of yours essentially consist of, "Well, at least you can laugh at how bad it is."

In my experience as a horror fan, a bad movie that's a good laugh is actually a rare thing. Most of them are just stupid and boring.

I notice you didn't defend the inclusion of cigarette fingers "I'mma burn you" lady cenobite. Considering how dumb I feel even mentioning it, perhaps that's best left unremaked upon. Oops.

Suggestion for future episode: The FLY II

It got a lot of flack for not as good as Cronenberg's landmark The FLY 1985 remake, since that movie was amazing and above normal horror grade, but the sequel didn't deserve the hate it got. It was directed by the special effects supervisor / engineer from the cronenberg film, Chris Walas, and traded the cerebral plot and contemplative tone for an all out practical effect gorefest that was actually quite enjoyable if you divorce it from the expectations the high water mark it's predecessor set.

Next time: Space Jam?
Might be a bit too hard to defend that one.

Ralen-Sharr:
Pinhead had a good side? Been a long time since I saw a hellraiser film, because I don't remember that.

Oh yeah. You should see some of the later Hellraisers. In one of them all the cenobites actually get "redeemed" when some crazy doctor guy purposely gets sucked into hell and gets turned into some wierd...tentacle...thing and they end up savin some...lady?

I don't remember it exactly.

Doug Bradley was the only reason I sat through ALL 8 of those movies. As said, 1 & 2 are almost factually awesome, but everything after that took a turn for the stupid. Sure, there were higher points (I thought Bloodlines was alright), but it also had some really, REALLY low points (Any mention of "Hellworld" inspires a vomiting reflex on my part).
And yet, Doug Bradley's role as Pinhead did not waver or degenerate once. Even as Pinhead's character began to degrade, Bradley kept up with it perfectly, and redeemed each movie more than a little.
I think this is kind of commonplace for some horror franchises. The "Saw" movies have pretty much become gore porn, but Tobin Bell's performance remained steadfast in it's awesomeness.
Likewise, as a big Nightmare on Elm Street fan, I can safely say that the series would've been truly lost without Robert Englund's stellar portrayal of Freddy Krueger. I don't care how stupid the films got, Englund made them incredibly entertaining. In fact, I'll retain that Krueger has to be one of the most fun to watch villains in cinematic history. He's not a particularly deep villain, but it fulfills the desire to know "Just what would happen if you gave a psychotic killer control over a universe that's limited only by his imagination?" It's the type of idea that fuels my deluded notion that Freddy's descent into silliness is more of a character development, more of him slowly coming to realize that he can literally do anything he wants in the dream world with no consequences, as opposed to crappy writers.

What mostly pissed me off about nr. 3 was the way most actors (except Doug Bradley) were just not acting at all. They were all delivering their lines as if it was their first time acting in some highschool theatre happening (and I've even seen better acting there).

i watched dragonball evolution recently. i challenge you to defend that travesty.

JenSeven:
Next time: Space Jam?
Might be a bit too hard to defend that one.

But... i liked that movie.....

plugav:
Oh, this was such a wonderfully awful series. I watched all of it.

Zhukov:
I can't help but notice that a lot of these movie defenses of yours essentially consist of, "Well, at least you can laugh at how bad it is."

In my experience as a horror fan, a bad movie that's a good laugh is actually a rare thing. Most of them are just stupid and boring.

And i absolutely agree. Basically its the difference between "attack of the killer tomatoes" and the Dragon Ball Z Live action movie.... one is so bad its good, the other is so bad that watchers would do anything to wipe the experience from their memories.

Nah, I loved Hellraiser 3. It's different and everyone's scared of different. The later ones are even enjoyable and bring back a more Hellraiser TV series feel with Pinhead taking the back seat again.

Sometimes it IS actually ok to just...enjoy a movie.

I never cared for Hellraiser myself. I loved it's ideas, but it's presentation didn't do anything all that interesting with them.

shintakie10:

Oh yeah. You should see some of the later Hellraisers. In one of them all the cenobites actually get "redeemed" when some crazy doctor guy purposely gets sucked into hell and gets turned into some wierd...tentacle...thing and they end up savin some...lady?

I don't remember it exactly.

That would be Hellraiser II, and what you define as "redeemed" is actually "killed", but hey, details.

The later movies follow a similar pattern to the Leprechaun movies, that is, there's a Hellraiser IN SPAAAAACE. They stopped short of having him back in tha hood.

Back on track, when I was younger I actually considered Hellraiser III the best of the first three movies, because it was the one I had the most fun with. Eventually I came to appreciate the first two movies on their own terms, and my favourite now is probably the second (mostly due to it's portrayal of hell).

I guess what Jim is saying is that a movie that is fun to watch, even if it fails to be what it set out to be, is still a worthwhile moviegoing experience.

Considering the stupid hellraiser movies that came out after the 4th movie (Pinhead in space) I'm surprised this one gets so much heat. I mean hell after the 5th on Doug Bradley does not reprise his role as pinhead and your know thats a bad sign.

Honestly, I actually like III and to an extend IV. They are not up par with I and II but I enjoy them nonentheless.

Ok, here's my problem with Hellraiser 3. It's not entertaining, it's fucking stupid.

Now before anyone says "Oh, you just don't like trashy films", no I fucking love trashy films.

I love my Troma flicks. Peter Jacksons Bad Taste and Brain Dead(Dead Alive) are freaking awesome films. Not only is Demons one of my favourite films, I like Demons 2 as well. Anyone ever seen Terminal Island? That movie is god awful. But it's also hilarious in a 70's exploitation film kind of way. And it's got Tom Selleck in it.

So I've always wondered why I don't like Hellraiser 3 and now I think I know why.
Whereas something like Toxic Avenger knew it was dumb right from the get go and just went with it, I get the very distinct feeling from Hellraiser 3 that the creators genuinely felt that they were creating a serious horror. I think someone thought that cd-robocop cenobite, camerahead cenobite and lady cigarette cenobite were great creative decisions.

Oh and I totally don't know what the hell Jim is talking about when referring to Hellraiser 1 and 2 as "cerebral horror films". I don't watch Hellraiser 1 and 2 to be intellectually stimulated. I watch them because they are damn fine horror films, something Hellraiser 3 is not. Not now, not ever. It's not even entertaining to watch drunk, I've tried that too.

I've watched all of Movie Defence force up till now and like a few people have said, I'm really getting sick of the whole "Well you can at least laugh at how bad it is" defence. I like it when Jim gives valid reasons to defend a film that has gotten a bad wrap. Like Blair Witch 2, I always liked that film. I was warned right from the start to not compare it to the original but to judge it on it's own merits. And I thought it was a pretty solid horror film. It's one of the better horror films to come out from that period of horror at least.

I also like it when Jim makes an argument so ludicrous that I must watch that film. I've never see Showgirls, I've never wanted to see Showgirls, that is until I saw the episode on it.
I have to go and watch it now with the thought in mind that Kyle MacLachlan is playing Agent Cooper and Elizabeth Berkley is a caffeine addict.

With this movie defence force Jim has given me no compelling reason to go back and watch Hellraiser 3. I still think it is a terrible, unwatchable film.

Darks63:
I mean hell after the 5th on Doug Bradley does not reprise his role as pinhead and your know thats a bad sign.

Doug Bradley was in every Hellraiser film except for Revelations. Which is the ninth one in the series.

Perhaps The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen might be a good one to do. Even as a kid I realized it was dumb but it was still interesting in some ways, even if it does stray from the comic book severely.

Jim, so what you're saying is you'd be fine if we had an iPad Cenobite in a future film?

Wow. A defense of Hellraiser 3 that didn't include the phrase 'That one girl in DS9 gets topless'.

Classy.

Now that we are at it, I like IV and V too...

They don't get the love they deserve

Oh Jim you and your love of Deadly Premonition music.

Next time: not a horror film.
This is a request.

I wonder... what happened to the -good- half of our lovely villain? That would make an awfully silly movie if he was resurrected somewhere else.

Zhukov:
I can't help but notice that a lot of these movie defenses of yours essentially consist of, "Well, at least you can laugh at how bad it is."

I didn't get that from this episode at all, nor the alien 3 one.

Oh come on, it's not like Hell on Earth the WORST Hellraiser movie ever. Hellraiser: Hellworld, anyone? I'm not going to spoiler it, but I think it was the absolute worst of them all.

Yep, there's been 9, total Hellraiser movies, and I've seen most, if not all of them, though I'm hard pressed to remember them all since it's been so long. I should probably try to remedy that some time.

It really is a shame to me when a horror series loses it's way, though. Especially Wishmaster.

Rebel_Raven:
Oh come on, it's not like Hell on Earth the WORST Hellraiser movie ever. Hellraiser: Hellworld, anyone? I'm not going to spoiler it, but I think it was the absolute worst of them all.

Yep, there's been 9, total Hellraiser movies, and I've seen most, if not all of them, though I'm hard pressed to remember them all since it's been so long. I should probably try to remedy that some time.

It really is a shame to me when a horror series loses it's way, though. Especially Wishmaster.

Hellraiser Revelations beats Hellworld for the worst in the series. At least Hellworld had Lance Henriksen and Doug Bradley. Revelations is just cringeworthy.

The problem with Hellraiser 3 is that it introduces all those silly token cenobites like DJ and that bloke with the steam pump sticking out of his head.

The second installment was the jewel in the crown for the series although after reading The Hellbound Heart I have a new appreciation for the original.

Also this:

I have to start watching the Helraiser series, just to see the guy shooting CD's from his face

animeh1star1a:

JenSeven:
Next time: Space Jam?
Might be a bit too hard to defend that one.

But... i liked that movie.....

But from your reply alone here, you know why it belongs here and why it would be hard to do.
And to make things worse for Jim I'm going to remind him of a few words that will now be linked to the movie.

Here we go Jim. These words will now pop into your head as you watch the movie:

Samit "sports" Sarkar
NBA Baller
My Career Mode
EA Sports NBA Live
MLB The Show

Right enough references to old podtoids, let's see what happens.

the only horror series i have never watched. always wanted to, but never could find the dvd for it and i dint want any of the newer once without watching the old once first. once day i will watch them. one day.

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