Jimquisition: Xbox One and the Death of Ownership

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Loki_The_Good:

sturryz:
The Xbox Two will require you to wear an ankle brace that has to connect to the internet every 12 hours or the the ankle brace blows your leg off.

God you anti corporate liberals will complain about everything. It's only a leg. Who cares when I can get my dew and game on and play the amazing games like call of duty animal kingdom edition now with 5 THAT's RIGHT 5 new pixels per square meter.

Honestly though I want Microsoft to fail so badly because of this but I'm kinda worried they won't. Oh well High ho high ho it's off to PC I go.

So wait you hate jim's followers but you agree with them. LOL good enough for me. when party lines can't even cause people to like the x box you gotta know your boned.

Jimothy Sterling:
If gamestop hasn't already come out

Yes Jim, Gamestop already did already come out with a giant hadron for the Xbox One. They loved the new Xbox before it was even announced:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-720-a-very-hot-compelling-device-says-gamestop-6406315

And I tried (I really did) to bring people's attention to this because you could smell the rancid stank of shenanigans a mile away.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.408606-Gamestop-conspiracy#17073693
Sadly, I don't think many people noticed or listened.

So I will just come out and say yet again to all the escapist:
I WARNED YOU! ...not that we could have done anything about it, but I did warn you haha.

I honestly think the Xbox One and PS4 are going to lead to another video game crash. I mean look what happened to the Guitar Hero rhythm games: over saturated with increasingly poor games and boom. Dead. Haven't seen anyone play one of those games in what...two years? Two and a half?
The same thing will happen to this new generation. Sony and Microsoft are going to alienate SO many customers that the generation flops and dies. I love my 360 and my PC. I've been a loyal Microsoft supporter for many, many years. But this new Xbox is many steps too far. I won't buy it. Maybe I'll get the PS4, but only if its a reasonable price(like...less that $350. Any more and I'll get a new laptop) and FREE backwards compatibility. If I own a game, I want to be able to play it without paying a fee! Microsoft really screwed the pooch on this one. I can't imagine the executives that came up with the Xbox One thought they would be lauded as innovative heroes, rescuing us for our miserable lives of only being able to socially interact with our tablets, phones, current consoles and PCs.

Legion:
Sadly none of this will stop people causing it to sell out on day one. Too many people will want it just so they can play the next COD or because "Everybody else is getting one".

Even worse is that despite all of this hatred, people will still eventually get won over anyway, and by the next generation, such things will have become the norm, not worth getting worked up about.

NOOOOOOOOOOOPE!

I won't allow it. This thing is a travesty, an abomination unto the most basic concepts of ownership. I'll plaster flyers all over stores that sell them informing people about what this thing does if I have to. It cannot be allowed to succeed, it must be smothered in the crib, for the good the games indus- No, basic fucking consumer rights.

(Also, what anime is your avatar from?)

Getting some use out of that rubber fist I see
I just want to see the whole industry burn so we can have a re do
and there is ALWAYS the pc

How could the Xbox One possible sell!?

Jman1236:
Even if sony pulls this same stunt, at least nintendo is still here to save us.

Sony won't have a choice if they want anything other than 1st party exclusives.

Do you really think the reason EA pulled the online pass thing was because they knew this crap wasn't coming down the pipes? If Sony wants any EA or even Ubisoft games on their system they have to toe the line on this DRM scheme.

As for Nintendo, EA pretty much said that even developing for the WiiU is a meh-maybe thing

*Sigh* I feel like I traveled into a Bizarro version of our world. I keep punching myself to see if I am still dreaming, but it turns out I am not. I'd have thought companies that existed to make money understood that if you piss off your customers, you won't get their money. A part of me hopes the XboxOne flops so hard that Microsoft is forced into fixing the complaints within weeks. But chances are this will not happen as there are still people out there who will buy the console regardless of these issues.

Lol.! Yup, they are approaching the perfect seller's world when you buy anything and own nothing. It's ironic that COnsole gaming has now surpassed PC gaming in terms of obnoxious drm. I mean sure, there's still having the cd, cd keys and always online services like steam but steam and greenman at least pay rent as it were. and GoG doesn't even bother with drm.

I the fact is MS has already shot itself in the foot, but now it's set to get the one it missed. Seriously.

WHAT IS THIS GOLDEN TIE HERESY JIM! With that said I don't think I'm going to be a microsoft consumer anytime soon

I can only hope people will listen. This is the first time I've really felt a strong need to tell friends and family to not buy a product.

A quick word about a side issue, though-- Microsoft is also quietly screwing over independent games creators in a parallel way. The XBox Live Indie Games channel no longer has a community manager, they intend to discontinue future versions of XNA in 2014, and the word appears to be that it's increasingly hard to get a game on XBLA without either a publishing deal from Microsoft or the support of another big publisher- and both situations find ways to push the costs and work of pre-final polishing and post-final patching back onto the dev.

"Better prices and usability for the consumer" is not a compatible idea with "crowbar in more middlemen, each looking for their piece"- and that, above all, is where writers like Kuchera have taken leave of their senses.

You know, I'm not worried about used games on the xbox one. Not at all. As it will affect no one. As no one is going to buy an xbox one at this rate.

Urh:

DTWolfwood:
Would be nice to see the gaming press to show a bit of solidarity to the consumer by not covering the system and its exclusives upon release.

Having it die a pitiful death from lack of coverage is the best way to say fuck you to Microsoft and their new xbox.

I'll do my part in not buying the system, but alas me and my kind only make a small percentage of xbox customers. :(

And what would happen to said gaming press if publishers were to pull all their advertising in a show of solidarity to the Xbone?

There we go, a conflict of interest. The practice is abhorrent decries the gaming press, yet they have to talk about the games that are on that very system.

I can only wish the public catches on and straight up not buy this system!

DrunkOnEstus:
He'll buy one to review games on, and so will every other journalist who's "mad" about this, and we'll think of this "bullshit" like business as usual, just as we do with online passes, on-disc DLC, and everything else we deal with today.

This is all because games are a little more complicated than words on paper, light on film, sound waves on whatever. If it really does get ugly and there is no schism, and Yahtzee just gleefully goes about reaming one Orwellian DRM game after the next, I won't be coming back. I think he has more self respect than that anyway (edited: I make an example of Yahtzee and not Jim because Yahtzee's format is timely reviews)

Besides, the games are all going to be shit anyway. They only seem like a good investment to people who've never tried anything out of their time or not in their face or ever had a single discriminating thought whatsoever.

kajinking:
I was honestly expecting this to come out AFTER the Xbox E3 thing.

You know...just in case the situation isn't actually all that bad and everything has been blow out of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Given that MS already did an official "clarification" the only news that could come out of E3 is that they're in full retreat, or move ahead at full steam.

I wish this was my "fucking ass" (∀`)~♡ ...I demand more (homo-)erotic content in the Jimquisition!
While I think that your humour and use of foul language is sometimes over the top, I still very much like these openings and ending parts with you most of the time. Just cut a little bit back on the use of the f word? ^^
And keep spreading the good word Jim! Maybe it will enlighten a few stray sheep.

Justin Smith:
How could the Xbox One possible sell!?

by people thinking "oh it's not that bad". And they go down all the line until they wait in turn to be made to Soylent Green and still thinking "at least the food will be pure with no fucking *insert racist expression here* residuals in it".

It's really unsettling how many people silently and willingly accepting things getting worse and so few care about making things better.

Delcast:
hehe, good one, here we are sharpening our pitchforks and oiling out torches..

Well I'm crossing my fingers so Sony makes a stand for consumers... hah yeah that's gonna happen...
I have vowed.. that if they adhere to this bullshit, I won't buy their consoles, not even if they announce The last Guardian with a release date.

and then microsoft launches a 3 part half life episode 3 mega trilogy and crossover with a reboot of poral with collectable capes and flags because in desperation they bought valve.

then where do your loyalties lay?

muhahahahahahaha.

ok, yeah they'd just screw it up and fail but still.

So when is the Miniature Fantasy Willem Dafoe - Belladonna's Bitch Fist wedding?

I find it strange that Sony wouldn't jump on the same bandwagon because their competition, the XBOne, is giving gaming companies what they have been dreaming about for about a decade.

let's make one thing perfectly clear, Sony and Microsoft are not gaming companies. They are large multimedia conglomerates with relatively small gaming divisions. Never, ever forget that because that is what has informed every boneheaded decision on every console they've ever made.

Remember the Nokia Ngage? Well, few do. It was a cell phone gaming device that, unlike the recently flopped Xperia Play (sadness) used little game cards like the DS. Except you had to OPEN UP THE BACK OF THE PHONE AND REMOVE THE BATTERY TO CHANGE THE GAME CARD. When told this was a stupid thing to do, Nokia replied that people don't mind that their SIM card is under the battery.

It's that kind of missing the point. This kind of having focus on other technology and consumer goods that they just don't understand what makes for a good game experience and how to bring it to people.

I can't explain the WiiU, though. Other than Nintendo is Japanese and Japan is, to put it charitably,.... different. I assume they were trying to make a Nintendo smartphone/tablet thing there. But, game systems are rarely as good as their launch titles. And with the early release of the WiiU, well before the other two even announced they had a new game system coming soon, third party developers may have been skittish on making anything for it. And Nintendo has been late with the flagship titles lately. Probably trying to make sure they're good, one would hope.

The Lugz:
and then microsoft launches a 3 part half life episode 3 mega trilogy and crossover with a reboot of poral with collectable capes and flags because in desperation they bought valve.

Actually, that's what's going to sell the Steam Box.

I.Muir:

Justin Smith:
How could the Xbox One possible sell!?

Idiots
Frat boys
Kids

People so desperate for call of duty and madden they will sign whatever the hell they are asked to without thinking twice

In other words idiots, frat boys, and kids.

canadamus_prime:

I.Muir:

Justin Smith:
How could the Xbox One possible sell!?

Idiots
Frat boys
Kids

People so desperate for call of duty and madden they will sign whatever the hell they are asked to without thinking twice

In other words idiots, frat boys, and kids.

Forgot to add in grandparents buying it for said kids

the antithesis:

The Lugz:
and then microsoft launches a 3 part half life episode 3 mega trilogy and crossover with a reboot of poral with collectable capes and flags because in desperation they bought valve.

Actually, that's what's going to sell the Steam Box.

LOL, yeah.. you're probably right.. kinda sad, canned and forced, really isn't it /sigh
at least there will be ONE decent game on it, eh :P

kinda looking forward to seeing exactly what the steambox brings, could legitimately be good.

Jaeger_CDN:

canadamus_prime:

I.Muir:

Idiots
Frat boys
Kids

People so desperate for call of duty and madden they will sign whatever the hell they are asked to without thinking twice

In other words idiots, frat boys, and kids.

Forgot to add in grandparents buying it for said kids

Yes yes, them too. Although they're not really desperate for Call of Duty.

So, anybody taking bets on how badly people will react to Microsoft's E3 press conference? Is anyone taking money on the "chasing the business casual spokesmen out of town with pitchforks and shotguns" scenario?

At this point, I highly doubt their console exclusives will save the Xbone. Even if they were planning to offer a new Killer Instinct, I can't picture myself ponying up money for a game system that has more issues than my comic book collection.

The Lugz:
kinda looking forward to seeing exactly what the steambox brings, could legitimately be good.

I think the answer to that question is "Steam to your livingroom TV." I get the feeling that the Steam box is not going to be a groundbreaking new thing. Hardcore Steam users who take advantage of their Big Picture feature no doubt already have a setup that does this from their massive gaming rig. What the Steambox is, then, is just another way for users to use Steam. I get a feeling like it's more of a sideline than a product Valve is focused upon.

That said, I would be shocked if the launch of the Steam Box did not coincide with the release of Half-Life Episode 3, finally. I doubt if it'll be the pack-in title, though.

I generally like your videos Jim, but you are way off base on this one.

People need to understand one thing. Digital media has no inherent value. Let me repeat that. DIGITAL MEDIA HAS NO INHERENT VALUE. Anything that can be duplicated an infinite amount of times at no additional cost for production can not by its very nature have any true monetary value.

So then, what are we paying for?

Simply put, usage rights. We are paying for the right to use/view a given piece of media content. We do not gain ownership of that content when we buy a piece of media, we are simply given access to it for our entertainment. Can you charge someone to watch a football game? Can you charge someone to listen to someone else's music? Can you charge someone to watch a movie? The answer is no. Theaters, venues, stadiums... They PAY to show movies, play music, hold sporting events, you PAY for the ability to experience the content, you do not gain ownership of that viewing experience just because you were there.

Games are no different. Just because the medium has changed, that does not mean that we have any more or less "ownership" than we did before. Could you have opened an arcade and charged people to play XBOX? Specifically set prices for certain games, consoles, etc? No. You may open an internet cafe and allow people access to machines, but in the end you are selling bandwidth and time, NOT the game in an of itself.

The problem with the upcoming generation is not always being connected(try watching PPV on your DVR without an internet connection and then tell me how ridiculous MS is). The problem is not the limiting of who has the right to resale/redistribution. No.

The real problem with the games industry, the thing that is truly screwing consumers, something you touched on briefly, is the fact that there is no distinction being made between the cost of "ownership" and the cost of obtaining usage rights. Publishers are charging people the same regardless of who ACTUALLY owns that copy of Halo.

However, consider mobile gaming. Games are priced to sell, with a clear understanding of the limitations. Clearly no one expects Angry birds to transfer from their iPhone to a Galaxy? No one worries about buying another copy for their iPad. Why is that? Because it costs $.99, that's why. People do not see it as a purchase, they see it as access. Sure maybe they think the "own" it on their phone. But no one balks at the idea of it being linked to their phone and ONLY their phone.

Why make that assumption about games on a console? The answer is simple. Because we see $60 as a significant investment, thus we perceive that to denote ownership. Unfortunately, we are mistaken, and you know what, if we could get the prices of games more in line with their actual "value", that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Online connection allows for updates, DLC, co-operative gaming, patches, etc. You cannot in good conscience decry the negatives of this type of system without also mentioning the good. Less reliance on hardware, more flexibility in terms of bug fixes.

No, the system is not perfect. Far from it. But the reality is that our expectations of what purchase actually means needs to change, as does our willingness to pay full price for something we are only "renting". The responsibility falls as much on the consume as it does on the game companies.

Consider another point of view...

Jaeger_CDN:
Forgot to add in grandparents buying it for said kids

No, grandparents will buy you stuff like this instead of the real consoles:

I don't understand; what's wrong with Gamestop? What do they do?

Nice triple meaning at the end there.

canadamus_prime:
In other words idiots, frat boys, and kids.

So then, anyone who plays a game that they enjoy and you don't must be an idiot? Man, I wish I had that world view, it'd make disagreements with people so much simpler. "*gasp* you prefer chocolate to vanilla? You must be an idiot!", "*gasp*, you prefer historical fiction to bibliographies?! You must be an idiot!" If only I could get planetary bodies to also revolve around me then I'd be all set.

To anyone who enjoys COD, and there are a lot of those people, more than the ones that enjoy pretty much any other game (as far as gamers' wallets indicate), please note that it's also sold on the ps4 which is looking to be a promising system.

On the other hand, people who only play COD have to connect to the internet anyways. So this wouldn't be such a problem for them.

Getting real sick of Jim talking about corporations needing to put the consumer first. Why does it matter if a corporation is shitty to its consumers? How does it affect you? It's not like you're doing business with them, because surely you wouldn't actually pay someone to treat you this way, right? Right?

The problem with Jim getting upset about EA or Microsoft or whoever is the same as the problem with people who get angry because other people are gay: all of this "corporate abuse" is happening between two consenting parties in the privacy of their own homes. It doesn't involve you unless you not only consent to have it involve you, but CONTINUOUSLY PAY MONEY to be involved.

Please release some freaking games Nintendo... I think we could all use abit of fun.

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