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Sony's Not Ready For User-Made Videos

Yahtzee wonders exactly what Sony is promising with its "capture gameplay footage" feature for the Playstation 4

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Well, think a few of his PS4 arguments were pretty much countered yesterday.

I highly disagreed with Nintendo's hijacking of revenue, especially because Game Grumps is one of my favourite YouTube channels at the moment, and I don't want them losing money because Nintendo is being a dick about things.

There are some games that have had this functionality on consoles for years (Halo's the best example I can think of). I have never heard of them running into any big issues in regards to game play footage and the like. In all honesty, most people are just going to use it for multiplayer replays anyway, so I doubt the average gamer is going to pay it much attention. It's cool for those who want to use it, but so far it's not looking like they'll be shoving it down our throats or anything.

It seems as though Sony has learned from Microsoft's debacle. They're already charging for online play so I don't think they'll push for more then that

Fappy:
There are some games that have had this functionality on consoles for years (Halo's the best example I can think of). I have never heard of them running into any big issues in regards to game play footage and the like. In all honesty, most people are just going to use it for multiplayer replays anyway, so I doubt the average gamer is going to pay it much attention. It's cool for those who want to use it, but so far it's not looking like they'll be shoving it down our throats or anything.

That sounds about right. It all comes full circle with the whole, "you don't HAVE to" argument Yahtzee himself stated. Sure, you CAN do it, but most people aren't going to go out of their ways to record Let's Plays just because it's there.

Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

Nintendo is at least taking the less evil route. You get to use their game footage however you please, but you can't make money off of it. It'll decrease the pirates that show you the entire game as a "movie", and people who have something neat to show everyone can get to show everyone.

As for Sony's option to let people record games I'm concerned for other reasons. Recording take a lot of processing power from the card. It's a feature that will work in the short term, but if games start using all the power of the processor then attempting to record a game will turn it into rubbish quickly.

Don't worry Yahtzee.
I have a feeling this is going to be one of those features that will either be taken away (for security reasons of course, to protect you) or just not get updated to do anything interesting. They always say a lot of stuff about a bunch of crazy features when a new piece of hardware is about to launch and these features tend to be forgotten about soon enough or only supported by a handful of games.

"you don't have to get anything, guys."

Indeed. I have a PS2 and X360 and I am pretty sure I am just going to skip this generation of consoles and turn my focus on PC for a while.

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

Nintendo is at least taking the less evil route. You get to use their game footage however you please, but you can't make money off of it. It'll decrease the pirates that show you the entire game as a "movie", and people who have something neat to show everyone can get to show everyone.

As for Sony's option to let people record games I'm concerned for other reasons. Recording take a lot of processing power from the card. It's a feature that will work in the short term, but if games start using all the power of the processor then attempting to record a game will turn it into rubbish quickly.

Bull crap. You buy video games to play them. I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3. If watching a game is enough to experience its content, then the developer clearly wasn't doing their job. Besides, why did I watch my friend play through the series instead of doing it myself? Because it was fun to hang out and joke and talk. If he gave me a recording of the whole game on vhs I wouldn't have touched that thing because the enjoyable part was experiencing the games with him. Its the same thing for let's players. I watch game grumps play through 8 different Mario Party games not because "I want to experience Mario Party's content and judge whether or not to buy it" but because egorapter and jontron freaking hilarious

Also: It'll decrease the pirates that show you the entire game as a "movie"

What is this even supposed to mean? Are you implying that I can't show a game to my friends unless they bought a copy? Do literally see these people as "pirates"?

PoolCleaningRobot:

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3.

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

medv4380:

PoolCleaningRobot:

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3.

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

Because I was
A) 10 years old and my mom didn't let me play M rated games
B) I had a gamecube instead of a ps2
C) I didn't have no money

Got any other excuses?

medv4380:

PoolCleaningRobot:

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3.

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

Okay, first you chery pick his post, and second you ignore his overall point: He never would have bought into the MGS series at all if he hadn't seen those LPs. There are plenty of games that I bought after seeing an LP of them. You are being willfully dense.

And let's take your argument further: by your logic, Nintendo loses sales every time someone goes over to someone's house and sees him playing a videogame. That is obviously not the case, my own personal experience and the experience of my peers confirms this behavior.

MooShoo:
"you don't have to get anything, guys."

Indeed. I have a PS2 and X360 and I am pretty sure I am just going to skip this generation of consoles and turn my focus on PC for a while.

Totally agreed, nothing about the next console generation has me stoked and while everyone is clapping each other on the back and laughing at how Sony rules and MS drools, I am just thinking. The PS4 STILL looks shit. Everyone was shitting on the PS4 on reveal and saying they were holding out for the now unfolded xbone. Now that the xbone is the runt of the litter, all of a sudden wii-u and ps4 are looking great.

So congrats guys, we have successfully lowered our standards.

I think Yahtzee is way off base on this one. First of all this functionality is NOT meant for the people with Youtube channels you are already doing amazing work putting up LP videos and reviews and commentary. This is going to be for the people who either don't know how to do capture video and edit it and upload it or who don't want to take the time or buy the equipment necessary to do that. They just want to upload a 10 second clip of some awesome kill they go, or some funny bug.

Second, just because Nintendo has claimed all Nintendo game related Youtube ad content does not mean Sony will. Sony could have done this right after Nintendo did, since they have not lets wait to jump all over them until they actually do, what do you say?

Your real beef seems to be with Nintendo so why is Sony's name in the title of your article? If Sony screws up this video sharing thing then lets talk about it, but I see no reason to fear any of the things you are talking about. Anyone will still be able to hook up a DVR to the PS4 and capture video the old fashioned way.

medv4380:

PoolCleaningRobot:

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3.

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

What's going to be depressing is this feature is going to exist, and at the same time you probably still won't be able to do something (or something else just) as simple as taking a screenshot.

PS: And not unrelated. I really appreciate the offtopic opening sentiment in this EP. I will have ample respect for you (Yahtzee) as long as you stick to your guns. Like PS4, can I copy my save games to a USB drive? Calibrate my out of the box faulty thumbsticks like I can with Windows? Or heaven forbid adjust the sensitivity so walking and sneaking is humanly possible to do in my favorite game? Like you say. We "humans" sure put up with a lot of bullshit. Did you here that everyone? We're talking about you.

We can just embrace DIY games and never look back. The games will be better, and even more realistic if that's what you are into. These little fiefdoms can never pull off a production of a truly impressive scale. That's going to take everyone coming together, just like we built the Internet before the "Web2.0" vultures set upon it, remade it in their image: brain dead shallow locked down locked out server farms for misspent youths (or "content" creators) that you'll probably be able to count on one hand before long.

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:

PoolCleaningRobot:

I've seen one of my friends play through the whole metal gear series (the ps2 ones anyway) several times and it looked fun so I bought it later for ps3.

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

No, you realize your argument is weak and so focused on only the barely ad hominem instead of the real argument. Which is that I have bought several games, like Minecraft, Waking Earth, and others only after seeing them played on Youtube yet I have never decided not to purchase a game because I had already seen it on Youtube. I will grant you that a very, very few games can be "ruined" by watching the whole thing through but nearly all games are enjoyed through playing them, not watching them. It is the defining difference between games and movies or TV. This seems so obvious to me. Do you really believe that is not true or do have some other axe to grind?

I think the premise that if you want to WIN you have to stop gaming is incredibly depressing. And true. I mean what if you didn't want to get in on the Wii/360/PS3 generation? You're screwed. They stopped making games for the older generations. I fear that Sony/Microsoft will simply make is impossible to skip this generation. Like, what if a year or two after Xbox One release, they shut down the 360 servers? Either you buy an Xbox one or don't play anymore.
Its depressing that our choices are either stop having fun by NOT playing, or stop having fun by continuing to play...

As Yahtzee stated in his video about Next Gen Consoles they're basically campaigning like they're politicians. And that in a sense is part of the problem. In either subject you're going to have similar responses & reactions.

Politics
1: Who did you vote for?
2: No one as I realized I don't have any real choice in the election.
1: Oh then clearly my opinion matters more than yours since I vote.
Gaming
A: Which console are you buying.
B: None as none of the console appeal to me.
A: Then clearly you're not as much of a gamer as I.

Politics
1: I voted for Ralph Nader!
2: Congrats on wasting your vote.
Gaming
A: I'm buying a PC for Gaming!
B: Congrats on wasting your money on a dying industry.

Politics
Mitt Romney is an out of touch Plutocrat.
Gaming
Xbox One is out of touch console that can only serve the rich.

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All of that aside though Yahtzee has now convinced me that if the Share Button can be used on PS Home I'll still be using PS Home. I'll have my Female Kitty in Pixelated Pants. The Videos will be called "Raving For Pussycat!"

Warning
If anyone were to have interest in Raving for my Female Kitty bear in mind the following.
1) I'm a Guy In Real Life.
2) If you just turned Homophobic over a Female Avatar being controlled by a Guy this isn't for you at all.
3) I'm NOT looking for Real Life friendship so don't try to get too personal with me. I've already had those issues in the past where said people would eventually ignore me or move on to better things.
4) I may end up as a Male Khajiit in TESO so this might not happen at all so don't look forward to this possibility because it most likely won't happen.

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

So because one person feels that way everyone does?
As far as I know there has been no research into how let's plays affect sales of games so quite frankly any statements anyone can make are either pure conjecture or based off very few examples and are therefore inherently untrustworthy. If you can find some evidence that isn't just an example from your experience to back up your suggestion, then maybe you're on to something.

So I guess Yahtzee is going to retire right?

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

No, you realize your argument is weak and so focused on only the barely ad hominem instead of the real argument. Which is that I have bought several games, like Minecraft, Waking Earth, and others only after seeing them played on Youtube yet I have never decided not to purchase a game because I had already seen it on Youtube. I will grant you that a very, very few games can be "ruined" by watching the whole thing through but nearly all games are enjoyed through playing them, not watching them. It is the defining difference between games and movies or TV. This seems so obvious to me. Do you really believe that is not true or do have some other axe to grind?

You're the one who has an argument only supported by ignoring what's been presented, and an ad hom. You should probably read back to my first post if you wish to actually debate.

First, can you even make a Minecraft Movie video, or do you not understand the difference between "Hey look at this thing I did in Minecraft" vs "Batman Arkham City 'The Move'". One is nice to share and not worthy of ad revenue, and the other is clearly an act of piracy to get money off of someone elses work. As for Waking Earth are you sure you didn't mean Waking Mars. If so my counter involving Minecraft still applies. You could spoil the ending, but 99% of the game is game play with no final boss, and little to no story what so ever.

Most if not all triple a titles can, and are spoiled by the "lets play" movie nonsense. If you wish to skirt around my argument, and use things like shoe horned in multi-player I'll just call you out on the clear suppressing the evidence fallacy that your argument is clearly based on.

Nintendo and myself clearly have no issue with the cutsy little "look at what I can do" videos. However, when you're going so far as making a Legend of Zelda "The Movie" you've gone too far. What Nintendo has done will hamper them, and they are allowing you to still do the other. It's the profit motive that creates "The Movie" LPs, and those people havn't earned it.

Lono Shrugged:

MooShoo:
"you don't have to get anything, guys."

Indeed. I have a PS2 and X360 and I am pretty sure I am just going to skip this generation of consoles and turn my focus on PC for a while.

Totally agreed, nothing about the next console generation has me stoked and while everyone is clapping each other on the back and laughing at how Sony rules and MS drools, I am just thinking. The PS4 STILL looks shit. Everyone was shitting on the PS4 on reveal and saying they were holding out for the now unfolded xbone. Now that the xbone is the runt of the litter, all of a sudden wii-u and ps4 are looking great.

So congrats guys, we have successfully lowered our standards.

So it's all the more poignant Yahtzee said this:

Yahtzee:
You can choose not to play, because it's the only way to win.

WarGames shout out FTW! Watching yesterday's E3 footage and catching up with the news helps me feel a little better, but not by much.

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:
I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

No, you realize your argument is weak and so focused on only the barely ad hominem instead of the real argument. Which is that I have bought several games, like Minecraft, Waking Earth, and others only after seeing them played on Youtube yet I have never decided not to purchase a game because I had already seen it on Youtube. I will grant you that a very, very few games can be "ruined" by watching the whole thing through but nearly all games are enjoyed through playing them, not watching them. It is the defining difference between games and movies or TV. This seems so obvious to me. Do you really believe that is not true or do have some other axe to grind?

Complete idocy that I can't believe I just read and won't force anyone else to read again.

Who brought up making "Minecraft: The Movie?" That's not what an LP is. Only the worst 'retsppurae' garbage even attempts to be a movie version of a game. You are changing the debate in such a crucial way that to me you seem only intent on winning the argument, rather than coming to any sort of understanding.

I can only conclude that either your a troll, or that you have a basic understanding of what an LP is. Despite the fact that you resorte to essentially saying 'no, u', I'll be generous and assume the later and point you to what I think are standout examples of LPs doing what others and I see them as:

Mega Man II I like this LP because it gives the game the credit it deserves while not whitewashing the few flaws present.
Europa Universalis III This is an LP that focuses on demonstrating how to play a complex Grand Strategy game. While I can' give evidence that these type of LPs have been a boon for a niche market, they have convinced me to get into them so there's that.
Dwarf Fortress: Boatmurdered On the other hand, I fairly positive this LP made many folks aware of Dwarf Fortress. (It was mentioned in the New York Times. The New York Times!)
Sonic 2006 Ever wanted to know why a bad game is bad but don't want to put yourself through playing it? LPs are a good compromise, and highlight Yahtzee's point that LPs are as much a critique as a work on their own.

Once again, Yahtzee casually forces a mental image in my mind that is both terrifying and hilarious.

As for the LP potential of the share button, I suspect there will remain a consistent need and application of capture cards and the like, while the button goes mostly unused except by the spoiling community and the occasional screen grab. Seeing as the community is already in place, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony does implement some kind of authorial editing into it. Seems like a wasted opportunity if they don't, but that's entirely up to them to weigh that choice. It's not like the LP community will just give up entirely.

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:

And Why didn't you buy it for the PS2? Because you already watched it a half dozen times. You proved my point.

I am sorry but that is just too stupid. You think someone wouldn't buy a game because they had WATCHED it several times? There are several games I have ONLY bought because I watched them online. Your logic is soooo flawed. Do you play games?

I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

Sorry, but in my case, LPs have been the sole reason i have tried several games.
Incluiding Final Fantasy X, Illbleed, and most Suikoden Games.

medv4380:
There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

If seeing a game in action discourages people from buying it, that's usually a sign that it's kind of a shitty game. It's like someone on an online dating site saying "adding a picture to my profile puts a negative effect on responses since you no longer have incentive to see me in person"; if someone says that, they're probably not very attractive.

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

medv4380:
I'm sorry but your logic is completely missing. I have a wife who's a gamer who doesn't want to watch me play certain games because seeing the story played out removes the incentive to actually play the game herself. You're going to need to have better logic then a simple ad hom if you want to prove your point.

No, you realize your argument is weak and so focused on only the barely ad hominem instead of the real argument. Which is that I have bought several games, like Minecraft, Waking Earth, and others only after seeing them played on Youtube yet I have never decided not to purchase a game because I had already seen it on Youtube. I will grant you that a very, very few games can be "ruined" by watching the whole thing through but nearly all games are enjoyed through playing them, not watching them. It is the defining difference between games and movies or TV. This seems so obvious to me. Do you really believe that is not true or do have some other axe to grind?

You're the one who has an argument only supported by ignoring what's been presented, and an ad hom. You should probably read back to my first post if you wish to actually debate.

First, can you even make a Minecraft Movie video, or do you not understand the difference between "Hey look at this thing I did in Minecraft" vs "Batman Arkham City 'The Move'". One is nice to share and not worthy of ad revenue, and the other is clearly an act of piracy to get money off of someone elses work. As for Waking Earth are you sure you didn't mean Waking Mars. If so my counter involving Minecraft still applies. You could spoil the ending, but 99% of the game is game play with no final boss, and little to no story what so ever.

Most if not all triple a titles can, and are spoiled by the "lets play" movie nonsense. If you wish to skirt around my argument, and use things like shoe horned in multi-player I'll just call you out on the clear suppressing the evidence fallacy that your argument is clearly based on.

Nintendo and myself clearly have no issue with the cutsy little "look at what I can do" videos. However, when you're going so far as making a Legend of Zelda "The Movie" you've gone too far. What Nintendo has done will hamper them, and they are allowing you to still do the other. It's the profit motive that creates "The Movie" LPs, and those people havn't earned it.

The more clear it becomes your arguments are built on shifting sand the more furiously you try and hold it together.

Your argument, boiled down to its core, is that showing a play through of a game with a strong narrative ruins that game and gives people no reason to buy it. Your incorrect assumption is that people are primarily playing these games to find out what happens in the story. In most cases this is not the case.

Look at a game like the first Metro2033. It has a strong narrative and fairly linear level progression. Yet watching someone play through it is nothing at all like playing the game yourself. Nothing. You are not having to react to the enemies, move your character around, decide when to use your military grade ammo versus your dirty ammo. Watching that game being played and playing are two fundamentally different experiences with very little overlap.

Your claim that a play-through of a narrative driven game is "piracy" is even more ludicrous. Copyright protects against unauthorized reproduction of a product. In a game the code and assets are the protected product. Not the demonstration of playing. Of course that is something a court would decide but I think it would described as "fair use".

My question to you would be why do you feel so strongly about this? Do you dislike Let's Play videos? Would you make the same argument that a review showing game play was engaged in "piracy"?

Mahoshonen:

medv4380:

Amir Kondori:

No, you realize your argument is weak and so focused on only the barely ad hominem instead of the real argument. Which is that I have bought several games, like Minecraft, Waking Earth, and others only after seeing them played on Youtube yet I have never decided not to purchase a game because I had already seen it on Youtube. I will grant you that a very, very few games can be "ruined" by watching the whole thing through but nearly all games are enjoyed through playing them, not watching them. It is the defining difference between games and movies or TV. This seems so obvious to me. Do you really believe that is not true or do have some other axe to grind?

Stuff Mahoshonen is unable to read.

Who brought up making "Minecraft: The Movie?" That's not what an LP is. Only the worst 'retsppurae' garbage even attempts to be a movie version of a game. You are changing the debate in such a crucial way that to me you seem only intent on winning the argument, rather than coming to any sort of understanding.

Clearly you didn't even read the original part of the argument. I'll just highlight my original point.

medv4380:
Nintendo is at least taking the less evil route. You get to use their game footage however you please, but you can't make money off of it. It'll decrease the pirates that show you the entire game as a "movie", and people who have something neat to show everyone can get to show everyone.

Amir, and yourself, are clearly making a suppression fallacy to make your point.

Try again, and actually counter my points this time, or are you incapable of winning the argument without suppression, or a straw man?

medv4380:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales.

Games like Amnesia, Minecraft, TellTales: The Walking Dead, Slender Man, Kerbal Space Program and Surgeon Simulator 2013 owe their massive success to Let's Plays. They would probably have been successful without them but not nearly to the point they currently are.

I could easily come up with a dozen more games but the idea that it's not promotional material is ridiculous. Even Notch himself agrees it's mutually beneficial, that's why he didn't seek money from their revenue.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
I don't think Sony is going to sit back and let people use their tech to edit together videos that are extremely critical of the games or the company

I don't think Sony is that concerned. It is the professional critics who can have a serious negative effect on sales, and the pros will get that video out no matter what.

Some idiot making a big cock in LittleBigPlanet and posting a video of it jizzing just isn't going to hurt sales.

We have to snap off that arm that's pinned by the boulder before the boulder starts charging us to install pre-owned limbs.

Like a wolf disguised as a sheep in the flock of a very lonely, sexually frustrated shepherd.

Metaphors were harmed in the making of this episode. To hilarious effect.

My hope- and this is complete spitballing, I base this on absolutely no word from Sony- would be that any videos would first go to a user-accessible site before being posted on some sort of public forum. My suspicion is that most people would otherwise only use the "share" option until the first time they screwed up in some embarrassing way and failed to realize it until their infamy was broadcast to their friends. Much like when you look at the fifty shots you took with your phone at the bar last night, grimace, and carefully weed out all but ten.

...And then Sony ends up with a feature that was expensive to implement and a permanent part of their controllers which no one would use, which can't be what they have in mind, methinks.

It also occurs to me that the new "we're the gamer's friend" Sony would be ill-advised to make the feature work in ways that don't meet customers' expectations because, well, someone would just find a third-party work-around and go back to making "Let's Play" videos the old fashioned way. And then if Sony clamps down on that, they not only highlight the inadequacies of the "Share" system, but burn through some of the goodwill they've just earned.

The biggest market for user videos is not for spoiler laden games that are played only in a single player setting, but in multiplayer: sports and fps games. One of the greatest plays I made was a pick six on an NCAA title, which I then uploaded using EA's in game highlight system. My friends enjoyed watching the play and comparing it to others. There are countless plays and amazing shots that will happen in games that Yahtzee has already said that he despises. HE doesn't like the idea of recording videos of gameplay because the games that he plays will be ruined storywise if someone else watches those videos.

However at the very least if he played games that were about the repetitive motions, FPS mutliplayer or sports/racing titles, then the interesting/insane things that he wants to tell others about he would like to share them with videos. It's more about the specific titles being played than the players.

My 1 and 1/2 cents.

Amir Kondori:
The more clear it becomes your arguments are built on shifting sand the more furiously you try and hold it together.

Your argument, boiled down to its core, is that showing a play through of a game with a strong narrative ruins that game and gives people no reason to buy it. Your incorrect assumption is that people are primarily playing these games to find out what happens in the story. In most cases this is not the case.

Look at a game like the first Metro2033. It has a strong narrative and fairly linear level progression. Yet watching someone play through it is nothing at all like playing the game yourself. Nothing. You are not having to react to the enemies, move your character around, decide when to use your military grade ammo versus your dirty ammo. Watching that game being played and playing are two fundamentally different experiences with very little overlap.

Your claim that a play-through of a narrative driven game is "piracy" is even more ludicrous. Copyright protects against unauthorized reproduction of a product. In a game the code and assets are the protected product. Not the demonstration of playing. Of course that is something a court would decide but I think it would described as "fair use".

My question to you would be why do you feel so strongly about this? Do you dislike Let's Play videos? Would you make the same argument that a review showing game play was engaged in "piracy"?

Again with an ad hom to start. You could at least try not making the same mistake again, and again.

You should brush up on what copyright is. All LP videos reproduce the Art which falls under Copyright and audio which falls under copyright. So unless your the type of person who thinks they can draw a picture of Mickey Mouse, and Sell it for a few bucks, and not violate copyright law you're committing another suppression fallacy. Even if they were granted rights to reproduce those things they'd have to pay royalties to the artists, and actors that originally made them.

As for both of us. Our arguments at this point have mostly been anecdotal. However, I doubt you have actual evidence to support your claim. For myself I'll cite Jesse Schell and the analysis of demos vs trailers presented at the Dice 2013 conference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=us6OPbYtKBM#!

You expect me, or anyone, to believe that showing someone the entire game from beginning to end isn't as bad, or worse then releasing a demo for a game in terms of sales? Sure a demo does get more sales then nothing, but it costs them all those potential sales if they had just released a trailer.

I have nothing against LP videos that are done for the sake of showing off. I have nothing against people who are doing it for non-profit. I do have something against the ones who spoil the entire game, and make a profit without considering that that should be paying the people involved in the creation of that material. I have something against the LPers who think that video they spliced together is entirely their own, and not a collaborative piece of work. As a collaborative work Nintendo has chosen to give you the rights to publish it as long as you're not profiting off of it.

Would you rather they have done a DMCA notice, and had them all stripped? It's fully within their rights as the holder of the rights of the material that was copied without permission. They picked the most balanced approach available.

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