If It Wasn't Fun, We Wouldn't Do It

If It Wasn't Fun, We Wouldn't Do It

Let's face it: We're a violent species. We've been beating ten shades of sh*t out of each other since the dawn of time, not just out of necessity but because at some level it's a whole lot of fun, too. Though we can't go around kicking the asses of our fellow citizens with quite the level of abandon we enjoyed a few millennia ago, there's still a little tiny bit of caveman brain inside all of us that longs for nothing more than a bit of skull-busting in the name of survival competition.

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Well written and insightful. I'm not sure the schools should be encouraging violence of any kind, but outside that arena kids should be allowed a certain level of freedom. I know exactly what you mean about the wrestling. Back in middle school (11 years ago) my friends definitely got into that and I never really grasped the appeal, but that didn't mean I was off limits to anything. My friend and I also used to spend days constructing the best rubberband guns we could and then have huge wars with them. As we aged this lapsed as better options presented themselves. I've found another very enjoyable release (beyond video games that is) in paintballing. Should give it a go if you haven't already.

Oh... I thought this was going to be about something else.

This is awkward.

- J

I used to have fights with one of my freinds all the time: no malicious intent, just letting off steam. We didn't hold back and punched as hard as we could, our only rules werre to avoid the face and nuts. Eventually though, a punch went awry and I lost a tooth. We didn't really do it much after that. I agree with the violence = fun sentiment, but that is not why I play games. It only works in real life for me.

I have to agree with the article. Very interesting how we grow up from playing with sticks and killing the 'bad guy' and then getting into games such airsoft or paintball and shooting at our friends.

I have to ask though, how do schools cater more to girls than boys? I know a few ideas why, but I'm still in school myself and don't have any children or younger siblings, so I can't look from the outside in. I notice that girls seem to really like school overall but hate gym and just stand there during activities, and most guys do the complete opposite, but I still don't understand it completely.

A friend and I were playing Halo 3 against each other over the weekend, and he talked about how strange it was to get satisfaction out of a kill. I assured him he wasn't alone.

The idea, which is in some ways tangential to the article but in some ways not, isn't that girls are "catered to" more than boys, but that "boy stuff" tends to be less tolerated than "girl stuff." Everything from clowning around in class to playing too rough during recess to after-school snowball fights and running around with toy guns (or reasonably-gun-shaped facsimiles) tends to be male-dominated, and when those kinds of activities are institutionally suppressed, what the kids are being implicitly told is, "We wish to hell you'd act more like girls." A frustrating and confusing perception is created that boys' behaviour is somehow wrong or bad.

I really liked this article, I hadn't really considered the effects of gender identity, and this made some new, and oddly enough, quite obvious points. Sometimes we need to be told before we can see what's right in front of our faces.

If I have one problem with Liberal politics, it's the tendency to deny some things which really are part of human nature. Identifying with masculine toys and games really shouldn't be discouraged - hell, I had a mass-toy-sword fight with 9 of my mates down at the local park last week.

Alright, alcohol was also involved, but it was still...ah, forget it.

I used to go to some fancy private school for "the highly gifted" and I got detention for an entire week just for making a gun out of my thumb and pointer finger. It confused me and it still does. I live in America so I (like most people) understand why America goes to war. America goes to war because it's tradition. If our president sees something somewhere that makes him feel unhappy or that he feels isn't right (in his dogmatic cristian beliefs), he fixes it (with force). It is simply the American way, to fight. We see something we don't like and we correct it. We send off tons of good American soldiers to fight in a foreign country for freedom and liberty. We don't fight for "freedom and liberty" anymore. We fight because we can, the freedom crap is just something to motivate the craploads of gullible American troops who were stupid enough to enlist in the armed forces. We aren't even fighting a war anymore. We're trying (and failing for the most part) to kill a bunch of crazies disguised as civilians. We aren't fighting an army anymore, we're fighting "Alkeida and Other Extremists (99 percent of enemies are "other extremists"). We aren't even fighting a war, but we are managing to spend around 70 billion dollars a month on the "War on Terror(BS)." I don't understand why we NEED to fight for no apparent reason. We have so many troops fighting in foreign countries and we still don't have enough. We have to hire private contractors and mercs like Blackwater. Don't get me wrong, Blackwater is a great company (GO VIOLENCE!! GO GRIZZLY APC!!) and even has their own manufacturing plant and their own line of APC's which on the other hand is a scary concept. A private company owned by one man has an army of mercenaries, multiple manufacturing plants, and their own line of APC's (Grizzly APC). This is a question to every reader: Why is the world (America and human beings in general) so f***ed up? Why do we require violence to be happy? And why do schools prohibit any kind of aggressive behavior or anything relating to war? Why do schools prohibit violence if violence is the basis of our society? Isn't school supposed to be preparing people for "the real world?" Why prohibit the largest part of "the real world?"

cool13011:
I used to go to some fancy private school for "the highly gifted" and I got detention for an entire week just for making a gun out of my thumb and pointer finger.

That is fucking hilarious.

Why do we require violence to be happy?

That's a question I've been asking myself for quite a while. Apparently, the more sexually repressed a country is, the more it resorts to another base instinct, namely, violence. As to what exactly makes violence fun, I'm not sure. But I see it as one of the greatest forms of competition. Being in a fight tests a lot of things. Strength, stamina, skill, reflexes, mind games, willpower.

I remember taking a kickboxing class and our sensei teaching us a move that would "knock the guy's head off," saying the words with some enthusiasm. However, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exactly condone decapitating people in a fight.

Beating the shit out of stuff/people is fun, and good for letting off steam. Hell, just about everything has violence in it. Games, martial arts, pro wrestling, paintball, chess, movies, plays, music, etc.

cool13011:
Isn't school supposed to be preparing people for "the real world?" Why prohibit the largest part of "the real world?"

Probably a conspiracy by the government to turn today's youths into overpampered nancies.

cool13011:
Why do we require violence to be happy?

Because violence is fun. I'm not sure if I buy into the theory that it can be correlated to some kind of "national sexual repression level," although it's an interesting idea, but I do think that violence, like sex, satisfies a base, and very much hardwired, human urge. What's the most obvious and visible universal human characteristic, shared across time and cultures? Warfare. And what's the one form of sport that's stayed with us since the day humanity evolved far enough to say, "Yeah, I'd pay to watch that?" Gladiatorial combat. It's who we are, it's what we are.

Malygris:
The idea, which is in some ways tangential to the article but in some ways not, isn't that girls are "catered to" more than boys, but that "boy stuff" tends to be less tolerated than "girl stuff." Everything from clowning around in class to playing too rough during recess to after-school snowball fights and running around with toy guns (or reasonably-gun-shaped facsimiles) tends to be male-dominated, and when those kinds of activities are institutionally suppressed, what the kids are being implicitly told is, "We wish to hell you'd act more like girls." A frustrating and confusing perception is created that boys' behaviour is somehow wrong or bad.

Woah... that huge can of worms you've opened there.
There's probably an acceptable middle ground between Sparta and Bambi.
While women are gaining more and more liberties, but still struggling a lot, men get progressively criticized, probably as a backdraft of millenia of male domination in certain areas.
Now, some say women can be as ruthless as men, notably in politics and economics, or even war, but some would reply that it's to compete with men and stand a chance against them.

Do men like violence more than women? Would have societies been less destructive (not necessarily better politically) if only governed by women, reproducing through manual genetic mixing and in-vitro growths?

Violence is indeed fun, and we have to deal with that. I'd rather loose steam by playing virtual murder games, instead of hurting someone for real.

The difference between video games and martial arts is interesting. In video games, you can virtually do anything, literally free your mind and achieve most gruesome acts, while having no consequence at all on the physical plane. Your mind explores territories which can be socially reprehensible.
What a sinful activity to let the mind be perverted by such emotions and boundless activities! Where is the discipline in that?
Quick! Rate that game!
But again, it's all fake.
The discipline happens on the mind plane, where you identify and put the barrier between the virtual and the real.

On the other hand, martial arts tell us truths about discipline, sometimes respect, but it they have a more practical side to them. In may cases, though, it's still - and mainly - a case of kicking the crap out of someone else, inducing pleasure (fun) by weakening an oponent, with refined techniques of combat (which is not restricted to men only).

From a certain point of view, it makes little sense to blame video games for their violence, and acclaim people like Armstrong, Ali, Pedrosa, etc.

I suppose that what is disgusting about video games, in many minds, is the lack of physical activity mixed to the unrestricted exploration of any plausible scenario, ethical values be damned if wanted.
Yet, again, I can understand how people can view this as sick, but it does not mean I agree with them.

i am happy STOP violence r fun STOP i go see big fighty kill thing on picture box soon like STOP it r fun STOP i does be made happy by Halo 3, it r so fun STOP i am doing wondering why u never see titties on teve STOP wrestlilizing r cool STOP it good u be having a great day STOP tank u for ur letters STOP appreciate i do teh tings u say STOP

I guess conversations just never change

What do you mean "If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't do it?"

Have you ever heard of people playing MMORPGs long after they are stale?

Hah, I like witnessing murder as much as the next person is, but that doesn't mean FPSes are fun. Sometimes, I plough through an FPS just to get Achivements. Or just to see some lame cutscene. Or just justify why I wasted my money.

Arbre:
Woah... that huge can of worms you've opened there.

Not really. The point isn't to debate the differences between boys and girls (which by itself would take all day) but simply that we, as a species, are naturally inclined toward violence. It's in our blood.

SilentScope001:
Sometimes, I plough through an FPS just to get Achivements. Or just to see some lame cutscene. Or just justify why I wasted my money.

I can relate to that kind of bloody-mindedness, although if a game isn't fun for me at all (which is very rare), I'll cut it short. It's easy enough to pick out individual games that don't really float your boat, but persisting in playing FPS titles, for example, if you don't care for the FPS genre speaks more to a particular personality quirk than anything else. Besides which, "fun" can be relative. I have a friend who doesn't particularly care for World of Warcraft (on some days he seems to outright loathe it) but he keeps playing because it's the best MMOG out there and it's comparatively more "fun" than anything else he has to do.

Well, it's more of, if I have an FPS, and I hate it, I may return back to it, due to some reason that is totally unrelated to having 'fun'. I think there are some other people who feel the same way as well, altough I may be a rare person who cares about that.

Eh. I am more used to just responding to an article without fear of getting responded by the writer himself.

Well, I'll might as well post a link to this article: "Violence: Is It The Answer?" ( http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29266 ).

Malygris:

Arbre:
Woah... that huge can of worms you've opened there.

Not really. The point isn't to debate the differences between boys and girls (which by itself would take all day) but simply that we, as a species, are naturally inclined toward violence. It's in our blood.

The bit which I quoted did draw a line between males and females though, that was what I was adressing.
I found it more interesting rather than just repeat the same old saying that man is a wolf to man, since this is nothing new really.

Nice article. Very throught provoking.

Does anyone else find it sad that even after all this time, after everything we've achieved, we're still retain so many of our base instincts?

I fear crimes like murder, rape and war will dog the human race until the end of time.

I always wondered what Atilla the Hun's favorite game would be, or if "The Romans" would be playing God of War if we brought a PS2 back in time with us (and a power source).

Long live, expressing sexual and violent urges!

 

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