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It Came From Japan

Stuff lives in Japan that can't exist elsewhere. Like poisonous puffer fish and tentacle porn and a megacity visible from space.

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I voted. GO Escapist! *twitch*

So, uh.... why Hello Kitty?

I mean, I'd understand if the article was about something else, and only touched upon Hello Kitty in reference...

But and entire article devoted to Hello Kitty?

.... I have to be misreading this....

Hello Kitty is one of the biggest cross-cultural brands in the world and achieved that in an unorthodox way. People find unorthodox things interesting and worthy of discussion. You could always try reading things before you mouth off, but that's out of character for some people.

There is nothing that Japanese culture can ever produce, including nintendo, that can make up for releasing Hentai upon this world. I'm amazed that the first person to come up with that wasn't placed in an insane asylum.

Indigo_Dingo:
There is nothing that Japanese culture can ever produce, including nintendo, that can make up for releasing Hentai upon this world. I'm amazed that the first person to come up with that wasn't placed in an insane asylum.

You mean Hentai (creator put in asylum part)? Hentai originated, or rather, specifically, the first known case/picture of tentacle porn originated as an old Wood Painting from I believe the 1800's. It was called "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife." It had a women and, if I remember correctly, an Octupus having sex. Tentacle Porn, or, rather, Tentacle Hentai, in the 1800's. It essentially created Japanese culture are now know it.

Oh... and tentacle porn can survive in other parts of the world. See "La Blue Girl." Also see severe mental trauma upon first tentacle scene because I was stupid enough to take my friends word for it in that "No, La Blue Girl isn't a hentai. It's a comedy." My Response was to watch the first episode, get traumatized, and create the new rule of "Wikipedia it, read description, then decide on whether to watch it or not."

Mstrswrd:

Indigo_Dingo:
There is nothing that Japanese culture can ever produce, including nintendo, that can make up for releasing Hentai upon this world. I'm amazed that the first person to come up with that wasn't placed in an insane asylum.

You mean Hentai (creator put in asylum part)? Hentai originated, or rather, specifically, the first known case/picture of tentacle porn originated as an old Wood Painting from I believe the 1800's. It was called "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife." It had a women and, if I remember correctly, an Octupus having sex. Tentacle Porn, or, rather, Tentacle Hentai, in the 1800's. It essentially created Japanese culture are now know it.

Oh... and tentacle porn can survive in other parts of the world. See "La Blue Girl." Also see severe mental trauma upon first tentacle scene because I was stupid enough to take my friends word for it in that "No, La Blue Girl isn't a hentai. It's a comedy." My Response was to watch the first episode, get traumatized, and create the new rule of "Wikipedia it, read description, then decide on whether to watch it or not."

If its all the same to you, I won't watch it. I have enough mental problems without an irrational homicidal rage against all Japanese people. And I don't just mean tentacle porn. I have only what I've heard from some friends, but I hear it also includes the following.

X-Ray hentai - shows whats happeniing inside the females organs during intercourse.
Dickgirls - Girls with penises raping other girls with penises
I don't know the term, but a form that shows a girls body mutilated, as in freshley amputated, using a surgical saw or tablesaw.

I have no idea if any of these exist, and I pray to God they do not.

Indigo_Dingo:
If its all the same to you, I won't watch it. I have enough mental problems without an irrational homicidal rage against all Japanese people. And I don't just mean tentacle porn. I have only what I've heard from some friends, but I hear it also includes the following.

X-Ray hentai - shows whats happeniing inside the females organs during intercourse.
Dickgirls - Girls with penises raping other girls with penises
I don't know the term, but a form that shows a girls body mutilated, as in freshley amputated, using a surgical saw or tablesaw.

I have no idea if any of these exist, and I pray to God they do not.

Don't get me wrong. I don't watch Hentai either. I watch Anime. That's why I was annoyed at my friend for tricking me like that. He knew that I don't watch Hentai. Anyway, the blood one is called Guro. Only reason i know that is 'cause that term actually originated here in america (I think), and doesn't necessarily have to be a sexual thing.

Mstrswrd:

Indigo_Dingo:
If its all the same to you, I won't watch it. I have enough mental problems without an irrational homicidal rage against all Japanese people. And I don't just mean tentacle porn. I have only what I've heard from some friends, but I hear it also includes the following.

X-Ray hentai - shows whats happeniing inside the females organs during intercourse.
Dickgirls - Girls with penises raping other girls with penises
I don't know the term, but a form that shows a girls body mutilated, as in freshley amputated, using a surgical saw or tablesaw.

I have no idea if any of these exist, and I pray to God they do not.

Don't get me wrong. I don't watch Hentai either. I watch Anime. That's why I was annoyed at my friend for tricking me like that. He knew that I don't watch Hentai. Anyway, the blood one is called Guro. Only reason i know that is 'cause that term actually originated here in america (I think), and doesn't necessarily have to be a sexual thing.

Oh man, Its real? I think a part of me just died.

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh man, Its real? I think a part of me just died.

Yeah, from what I saw in School Days (which has hentai, but is actually classified as a Drama, plus fastforward is most useful for parts you don't wanna see) so is the x-ray, and go to wikipedia and type in "Bible Black," and you'll learn that so is Futa/Futanari (the girls with extra parts one)...

The Japanese (excuse the generalization) have created the ability to enjoy (and I use that term loosely) any fetish possible by the human mind, and several fetishes only capable by minds not-human. This, amoung other things, is why their culture is theirs, and only facets of it seem to go to other countries. No one wants it, or rather, no one thinks they want it until they see it. Then they either pull what we did (and become disgusted), or pull what my friend, John, did, and learn to enjoy it.

Mstrswrd:

Indigo_Dingo:
Oh man, Its real? I think a part of me just died.

Yeah, from what I saw in School Days (which has hentai, but is actually classified as a Drama, plus fastforward is most useful for parts you don't wanna see) so is the x-ray, and go to wikipedia and type in "Bible Black," and you'll learn that so is Futa/Futanari (the girls with extra parts one)...

The Japanese (excuse the generalization) have created the ability to enjoy (and I use that term loosely) any fetish possible by the human mind, and several fetishes only capable by minds not-human. This, amoung other things, is why their culture is theirs, and only facets of it seem to go to other countries. No one wants it, or rather, no one thinks they want it until they see it. Then they either pull what we did (and become disgusted), or pull what my friend, John, did, and learn to enjoy it.

Thus, we see there is a problem. In my personal opinion this really should be characterized as a mental illness, with forms of rehabilitation and therapy available.

Indigo_Dingo:
Thus, we see there is a problem. In my personal opinion this really should be characterized as a mental illness, with forms of rehabilitation and therapy available.

Ah, but people have said that those who play Horrifically violent video games (Gears of War, God of War), for example) have a mental illness, and I really enjoy both God and Gears of War. In the end, if someone else enjoys it, they can watch it. Just don't show it to me (or you), and were cool.

Mstrswrd:

Indigo_Dingo:
Thus, we see there is a problem. In my personal opinion this really should be characterized as a mental illness, with forms of rehabilitation and therapy available.

Ah, but people have said that those who play Horrifically violent video games (Gears of War, God of War), for example) have a mental illness, and I really enjoy both God and Gears of War. In the end, if someone else enjoys it, they can watch it. Just don't show it to me (or you), and were cool.

No, we're not. Human sexuality is a much more serious part of their makeup than hobbies. Linking it to such...abominations against nature is ...well, I don't really have access to cases at the moment, but you get the point.

Indigo_Dingo:
No, we're not. Human sexuality is a much more serious part of their makeup than hobbies. Linking it to such...abominations against nature is ...well, I don't really have access to cases at the moment, but you get the point.

Are you serious? Who cares what porn an adult watches? It's not like octopus rape is on the rise.

No, we're not. Human sexuality is a much more serious part of their makeup than hobbies. Linking it to such...abominations against nature is ...well, I don't really have access to cases at the moment, but you get the point.

hahaha this reminds me of that south park episode (also about japanese anime) "Guess they don't care about violence if there's sex things to worry about" or something :)

"Fear for the unknown" and stuff, maybe

Hmmm I know the escapist doesn't pretend to be a sociology magazine, but even so the cultural issues in Japan are rather deeper and more interesting than a few 'posterboy' things such as Hentai really show.

Joe:

Indigo_Dingo:
No, we're not. Human sexuality is a much more serious part of their makeup than hobbies. Linking it to such...abominations against nature is ...well, I don't really have access to cases at the moment, but you get the point.

Are you serious? Who cares what porn an adult watches? It's not like octopus rape is on the rise.

hehe i couldn't agree more, whatever someone fatasies are, as long as they keep them to themselves and don't infringe upon anybody else with them then its no skin off my back. What you think we should call the thought police or something?

I didn't bother quoting 'cause I'd have to quote half the topic responses, but I agree with whoever said that essentially "They can do their thing, let us do ours." Everyone has their own fetishes. Remember, this stuff wouldn't exist if someone didn't like it. They wouldn't keep making Guro if no-one looked at it. That's not profitable. And I'd rather someone express their fetish by looking at a Manga, then to actually go and cut someone up to get off... which is why, I think, that things like this were created. So that people wouldn't actually do stuff like that. I remember an article on this site talking about how crime rates have gone down since the inception of the modern Grand Theft Auto series. Well, simmilar concept... Sorry for the mini-rant.

Read through all the articles in the set.

Really, the only one that I enjoyed was the yaoi one (which surprised me, I don't really go looking for yaoi). The others either didn't acknowledge anything before the 90s or mid-80s (magical girl one and the otaku one), were about Hello Kitty, or made me upset for missing out on a band I liked (the music one).

*Looks through posts in topic*

Dickgirls and tentacle hentai is nothing special (really, in most cases the dick is simply regarded as an extra thing to pleasure and a way to tell if the female is turned on, really nothing too weird, and tentacle hentai peaked with Urotsukidoji and nothing has really compared to it since). Look up "Mai-chan's Daily Life" sometime.

To the "leave them alone and hope they leave us alone" argument: I don't see why something as equally wrong, such as Child Pornography, is punished by a prison sentence. Surely if we are punishing people for a deep perversion in one area, we should allow equal punihment in others.

And I was misleading you before, I have been tricked into looking at some of that stuff. I know what I saw, and it is far more disgusting than you'd think. There is stuff out there that actually made me projectile vomit when I saw it. There is stuff that seemed to scar my soul.

Indigo_Dingo:
To the "leave them alone and hope they leave us alone" argument: I don't see why something as equally wrong, such as Child Pornography, is punished by a prison sentence. Surely if we are punishing people for a deep perversion in one area, we should allow equal punihment in others.

And I was misleading you before, I have been tricked into looking at some of that stuff. I know what I saw, and it is far more disgusting than you'd think. There is stuff out there that actually made me projectile vomit when I saw it. There is stuff that seemed to scar my soul.

Child pornography is criminal because children are being forced/coerced into committing sexual acts. Cartoons depicting tentacle rape, or children having sex, isn't illegal because no one's actually committing sexual acts. Even if it's icky.

Joe:

Indigo_Dingo:
To the "leave them alone and hope they leave us alone" argument: I don't see why something as equally wrong, such as Child Pornography, is punished by a prison sentence. Surely if we are punishing people for a deep perversion in one area, we should allow equal punihment in others.

And I was misleading you before, I have been tricked into looking at some of that stuff. I know what I saw, and it is far more disgusting than you'd think. There is stuff out there that actually made me projectile vomit when I saw it. There is stuff that seemed to scar my soul.

Child pornography is criminal because children are being forced/coerced into committing sexual acts. Cartoons depicting tentacle rape, or children having sex, isn't illegal because no one's actually committing sexual acts. Even if it's icky.

Actually, yeah it is. The simple act of possesion of child pronogtraphy - not the manufacture of it - is illegal, and punishable by a prison sentence. The same also applies to hentai pedophilia, also known as Lolicon, from the english lolita. It similarly carries a prison sentence.

So, Joe, if octopus rape *were* on the rise, would you support the abolition of hentai on the grounds of animal rights, or do you feel that freedom of speech trumps the environmental concern for octo-normative sexuality?

Indigo_Dingo:
Actually, yeah it is. The simple act of possesion of child pronogtraphy - not the manufacture of it - is illegal, and punishable by a prison sentence. The same also applies to hentai pedophilia, also known as Lolicon, from the english lolita. It similarly carries a prison sentence.

In which jurisdiction? Cartoon child porn is in fact legal to possess and create, again as long as real children aren't involved.

Archon:
So, Joe, if octopus rape *were* on the rise, would you support the abolition of hentai on the grounds of animal rights, or do you feel that freedom of speech trumps the environmental concern for octo-normative sexuality?

The blue ring octopus is a danger to us all and must be regulated and controlled. The second amendment includes the right to bear arms, not the right to bear eight tentacles!

Wow. This issue certainly sparked a lot of... interesting conversations.

I'm kind of amazed to see hentai compared to child pornography. The latter is illegal because possession of child pornography is possession of incontrovertible evidence of child abuse. It's seen as corroboration in a crime because if you find such evidence (of child abuse or murder or any other felony) you're supposed to report it to the police if you're a responsible citizen. There is no way this is even in the same ballpark as having cartoon porn.

The Japanese are certainly not alone in weird fetishes or cartoon porn, either. If you're inclined to look around you can find a great deal of very American cartoon porn depicting all kinds of atrocities visited on Disney characters. The Japanese have their own spin with the tentacles and machines and whatnot, but Cthulhu didn't come from Japan, and Cthulhu sex is its own sub-demographic of porn that you can find all over the internet and in many cases in print. I would also say just personally that there is nothing I could see in hentai that wouldn't disturb me more than some of the things that real people do with their bodies (the disturbing large number of people who have died of ruptured colons from having sex with horses, for instance -- and let's not even get into German scat fetishes) -- because it isn't real. Though I should say this is largely a theory on my part, because I haven't seen La Blue Girl and don't ever intend to. Still -- not real < real.

Bottom line, people of all cultures are capable of some really extravagantly wrong-in-the-head fetishes in pursuit of the forbidden and the dark side of sex. The Japanese don't have a corner on the market by a long shot.

ErinHoffman:
Wow. This issue certainly sparked a lot of... interesting conversations.

I'm kind of amazed to see hentai compared to child pornography. The latter is illegal because possession of child pornography is possession of incontrovertible evidence of child abuse. It's seen as corroboration in a crime because if you find such evidence (of child abuse or murder or any other felony) you're supposed to report it to the police if you're a responsible citizen. There is no way this is even in the same ballpark as having cartoon porn.

The Japanese are certainly not alone in weird fetishes or cartoon porn, either. If you're inclined to look around you can find a great deal of very American cartoon porn depicting all kinds of atrocities visited on Disney characters. The Japanese have their own spin with the tentacles and machines and whatnot, but Cthulhu didn't come from Japan, and Cthulhu sex is its own sub-demographic of porn that you can find all over the internet and in many cases in print. I would also say just personally that there is nothing I could see in hentai that wouldn't disturb me more than some of the things that real people do with their bodies (the disturbing large number of people who have died of ruptured colons from having sex with horses, for instance -- and let's not even get into German scat fetishes) -- because it isn't real. Though I should say this is largely a theory on my part, because I haven't seen La Blue Girl and don't ever intend to. Still -- not real < real.

Bottom line, people of all cultures are capable of some really extravagantly wrong-in-the-head fetishes in pursuit of the forbidden and the dark side of sex. The Japanese don't have a corner on the market by a long shot.

I love it when someone says something on a thread that is exactly what I would say, except better. It means all I have to do is point and say "That". Thanks.

While it is true that Japan doesn't have a monopoly on sick, twisted shit - America and Germany have been to places that are just pushing the limits of actively demonic - all of this stuff can still be agreed as really just wrong.

Meh...another non-gaming issue, more article of absolutely no interest to me.

Is The Escapist trying to quietly turn into a "culture" magazine (I have no better term for this) or a Reader's Digest? If so, why not state it out loud?

Are you guys running out of subject matter?
The more of these The Escapist puts out, the less likely I am to come back to read the articles. Granted, you've got a healthy credit with me yet, but I hope this pattern changes soon.

Some of these articles may indeed be good... but they're not what I'm here for.

Nothing to do with this thread's Hentai theme, I'm afraid.

sharp_as_a_cork:
Meh...another non-gaming issue, more article of absolutely no interest to me.

Is The Escapist trying to quietly turn into a "culture" magazine (I have no better term for this) or a Reader's Digest? If so, why not state it out loud?

Are you guys running out of subject matter?
The more of these The Escapist puts out, the less likely I am to come back to read the articles. Granted, you've got a healthy credit with me yet, but I hope this pattern changes soon.

Some of these articles may indeed be good... but they're not what I'm here for.

Nothing to do with this thread's Hentai theme, I'm afraid.

Then what are you here for. Tell us then we will all make an extra special effort to change for you. :D

sharp_as_a_cork:
Meh...another non-gaming issue, more article of absolutely no interest to me.

Is The Escapist trying to quietly turn into a "culture" magazine (I have no better term for this) or a Reader's Digest? If so, why not state it out loud?

Are you guys running out of subject matter?
The more of these The Escapist puts out, the less likely I am to come back to read the articles. Granted, you've got a healthy credit with me yet, but I hope this pattern changes soon.

Some of these articles may indeed be good... but they're not what I'm here for.

Nothing to do with this thread's Hentai theme, I'm afraid.

Alot of videogames come from Japan, to understand them we need to understand Japan. Or so i think they reasoned. Besides, if one is gonna get 5 articles on gaming every week and still manage to feel unique they need to branch out.

Indigo_Dingo:
While it is true that Japan doesn't have a monopoly on sick, twisted shit - America and Germany have been to places that are just pushing the limits of actively demonic - all of this stuff can still be agreed as really just wrong.

Demonic you say? You mean there's pentagrams and sacrificed chickens involved?

Indigo_Dingo:
...all of this stuff can still be agreed as really just wrong.

Maybe people would contend your points less if you stopped using so many absolutes.

Ignore this post.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Indigo_Dingo:
While it is true that Japan doesn't have a monopoly on sick, twisted shit - America and Germany have been to places that are just pushing the limits of actively demonic - all of this stuff can still be agreed as really just wrong.

Demonic you say? You mean there's pentagrams and sacrificed chickens involved?

Hedonmism to that degree is satanic worship, yes. You don't actually think people worship evil directly, do you? Satanic worship is the ideal of there is no higher human endeavour than the pursuit of pleasure.

Gito Gito Hustler not even touched in this thread?

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