Zero Punctuation: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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I was about to make a massive post about how Yahtzee wasn't fair on the game, but then I realized that as a reviewer, it's his privilege not to be fair on games. Quite frankly, adding my opinion to the mix won't make any difference whatsoever, and really, if people can't make decisions on a game themselves without relying totally on reviews then we have a bigger problem on our hands.

Simply put, I respect his opinion, even though I don't agree with his review. I think that having to review a game you aren't interested in can really sour the mood and the experience. If you don't engage with a game, then you can't really get a fair impression of it, now can you? So really, I think the major flaw in this review is that he had to do one on SSBB, more than anything else. Let's hope the games that he gets to review in the future are more suited to his tastes and less to his pet hates.

sapient:
heh, i go to gametraders in perth to find old snes games that EB doesn't feel like stocking anymore.

hah. want some more? I found all my old snes games in the bottom of a drawer the other day :oP

good review, but why the hell do people still do the first post thing?? ffs.

Mursam:
Does nobody find it strange that 6 months after Yahtzee bags out Halo 3 only 389 comments were posted, yet within 12 HOURS of Yahtzee bagging out Brawl, the comment count has reached 488?

Never doubt the power of fanboys and haters. Its a perfect storm.

I actually enjoy games like this when I'm playing with other people as bad as me. Knowing that you're bad is half the fun. An excellent review, as usual.

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Mr Scott:
I find it ironic that Yahtzee -being a fan of the one player game- find the Subspace Emissary to be "u-hun-bearably" long, since plenty of his obsessively favorite "American RPGs" tend to have close to a month's worth of playtime. Whereas the SBE only lasts at the most, a few hours?

Not to be a slavering fanboy, but when the first Smash Bros. came out all of the unlockable characters on our copy of the game came from playing VS mode. But maybe that's because we played it almost only during the evening, and we live in Alaska, when it's minus forty plus wind-chill for seven months out of the year. But that's my argument for the argument against unlockables.

Yeah but with the insane amount of characters there are in this one, it is a huge pain in the ass to have to unlock them.

Insane amount of characters? Ha! I personally do not count the multiple characters in one such as Zelda/Shiek and Pokemon Trainer as more than one character. I have trouble deciding who I want to play with because I've played with all of the characters already. All Nintendo did was keep a large amount of characters from the previous games and then add a couple more with some of those being the same clone that were said to be taken out. Link and Toon Link? The focus should have been on more characters and stages that actually interact. Take the MGS Stage for example. The Metal Gear that comes and breaks the wall in the background does absolutely NOTHING to any of the players. It's pointless, worthless, and a waste of memory space. The assist trophies are a huge kick in the crotch showing how easily more characters could have been added.

Shadow089:

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Mr Scott:
I find it ironic that Yahtzee -being a fan of the one player game- find the Subspace Emissary to be "u-hun-bearably" long, since plenty of his obsessively favorite "American RPGs" tend to have close to a month's worth of playtime. Whereas the SBE only lasts at the most, a few hours?

Not to be a slavering fanboy, but when the first Smash Bros. came out all of the unlockable characters on our copy of the game came from playing VS mode. But maybe that's because we played it almost only during the evening, and we live in Alaska, when it's minus forty plus wind-chill for seven months out of the year. But that's my argument for the argument against unlockables.

Yeah but with the insane amount of characters there are in this one, it is a huge pain in the ass to have to unlock them.

Insane amount of characters? Ha! I personally do not count the multiple characters in one such as Zelda/Shiek and Pokemon Trainer as more than one character. I have trouble deciding who I want to play with because I've played with all of the characters already. All Nintendo did was keep a large amount of characters from the previous games and then add a couple more with some of those being the same clone that were said to be taken out. Link and Toon Link? The focus should have been on more characters and stages that actually interact. Take the MGS Stage for example. The Metal Gear that comes and breaks the wall in the background does absolutely NOTHING to any of the players. It's pointless, worthless, and a waste of memory space. The assist trophies are a huge kick in the crotch showing how easily more characters could have been added.

Ah yeah sorry Insane is a strong word, what I meant is just that there's a bigger library of characters (and clone/spinoff characters) that it's just a bitch to have to unlock them.

Honestly, this is the only review that really isn't that good, before you say fanboy, hear me out, this isn't your conventional button mashing fighter where the moves have a gazillion things to do, this is a more friendly approach to the genre, and the hours thing and doing levels over thing is a lie >_>, I know that for a face, there are only truly 3 levels (2 if you unlock through events) that you have to do to get Toon Link and Wolf, and the mode only takes around 5-6 hours to do, which you will spend that much on the single player campaign of a Halo game =/

Sorry Yahtzee, love your other reviews but this one seems like its...biased...

Shadow089:
Insane amount of characters? Ha! I personally do not count the multiple characters in one such as Zelda/Shiek and Pokemon Trainer as more than one character. I have trouble deciding who I want to play with because I've played with all of the characters already. All Nintendo did was keep a large amount of characters from the previous games and then add a couple more with some of those being the same clone that were said to be taken out. Link and Toon Link? The focus should have been on more characters and stages that actually interact. Take the MGS Stage for example. The Metal Gear that comes and breaks the wall in the background does absolutely NOTHING to any of the players. It's pointless, worthless, and a waste of memory space. The assist trophies are a huge kick in the crotch showing how easily more characters could have been added.

Now this is a fair criticism, one that I will agree with. While Cloning could be understandable in Melee, as they were in a crunch for time, they've had 7 years for this one. Keeping Toon Link and Falco, and leaving Ganondorf as a clone, while making Isaac and Little Mac assist trophies is one of the games flaws. I kept assumiong that as soon as the searchlight found you on Shadow Moses, so did a large amount of bullets, but it does nothing. Still, that does allow them paths to tread in the next one.

In its defence, stages like Warioware Bridge of Eldin, and new characters like Dedede and R.O.B. are there, but it is not that hard to lose sight of them.

I'm a long viewing ZP fan and I must say this review resounded with 'Meh'. I apologise for having to resort to using that word but it seems to be the most accurate in this situation.

I'm not a fanboy, I did play the original SSB but got horribly bored with it quickly. So I'm not defending SSBB in anyway. Just found the review wasn't funny.

I was actually laughing out loud at the "Zach and Wikki" Review but this pales in comparison.

Perhaps Yahtzee is sacrificing being genuinely funny and original for being controversial?
All I know is I want ZP to return in full force next week. And I want to laugh voraciously.

Why can't people make up their own minds about games, and continue to watch ZP as a entertaining review of a game by a quick witted and cynical/angry/funny Australian man.

I have enjoyed many games that Yahtzee has hated, or at least not liked, but I have also seen the flaws in them. BioShock was the simpler System Shock 2, Crysis has basically no plot, and MOH enemies have x-ray telescopic vision. I still enjoy the games despite their (hilarious) flaws.

You people need to chill out, laugh at the flaws, and not be up in arms when someone doesn't like a game that you enjoy.

I am probably going to be banned for this

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Mursam:
Does nobody find it strange that 6 months after Yahtzee bags out Halo 3 only 389 comments were posted, yet within 12 HOURS of Yahtzee bagging out Brawl, the comment count has reached 488?

Imagine when he reviews MGS4: GotP.

That will be a day of reckoning.

When SSBB finally came out, I thought it was going to be one of the better games of the year.
And, thankfully, Yahtzee didn't bank that game's review on the previous SSB games.

SSB was good. SSBM was excellent. But SSBB is just trying too hard; the Subspace-whatever was obnoxious (the adventure mode in Melee was better), and the entire time I played, I wished I was playing on a Gamecube controller.

I'm one of those faithful Nintendo fans, but geez, what a blahfest of mediocrity. And while I love Soulcalibur, Yahtzee is right- there is nothing, NOTHING, more frustrating than getting really good with Taki and having your dad pick up a Gamecube controller and use Maxi to button-mash my character to doom.

AlissaX70:
the Subspace-whatever was obnoxious (the adventure mode in Melee was better)

But Classic Mode is still existent in this one.

Brilliant! Hilarious! Probably one of the best yet.

Mixed feelings here, on one hand, i'm a Wii hater in the extreme.

on the other, i don't think Yahtzee really needed to dedicate 4:20 to ripping apart one of its most anticipated games for doing exactly what everyone expected it to do, sure, you needed to work to get some of the good characters, but if youve bought the game as a SSB fan, then thats not going to be a problem

humor... 6/10

that said, i do look forward to playing the game, not on my monolithic PS3 of raw power of course, i managed to fool a friend into buying one of those little white infuriating, inexplicably best-selling, gimmickly satisfying things.

(if you cant spot the above section for what it is, then i consider your rebuttal a worthy burden)

...Oh awesome...Yahtzee's a Mother-series fan...o.o Yeah, why the Hell wouldn't they release Mother 3 outside Japan? Do they think that just because we never got Mother 1 we're going to suddenly hate it up the ass? @_@; Or heck, why not release the Mother 1/2 combo? You can call it "Earthbound 0" If you like, you know...nobody's going to complain..and you could even call Mother 3 "EarthBound 2" and we STILL wouldn't mind because we KNOW IT EXISTS AND WE WANT IT DAMNIT! @_@;

...So yeah...<.<; Though I find it just a tad ironic that Yahtzee is complaining about a Japanese-Only release...while at the same time wondering who Marth is...Marth, the character who didn't even exist outside Japan until he was found in Melee...who then went on to star in several American releases with reasonable success. Granted, it's not a great tragedy that he doesn't recognize Marth...

I'm also a little surprised nothing came up about online play...I'm not sure if that's because Australia doesn't provide Brawl services *an entirely reasonable assumption* or just because Yahtzee never bothered to try it out...either way, it would've been interesting to see what he'd have to say about it, especially since I haven't gotten to try it out yet.

By the way, here are a few ways to tell if you're "That Guy".

1. You have a main character that you prefer to play all the time in "serious play".
2. You call that character your "main", because saying "Main Character" is just far too many syllables.
3. You regularly win tournaments of this game...especially notable for Brawl since it just came out this year.
4. You earned a trophy for playing 20 hours of brawls...without trying.
5. You also earned the one for playing 100 hours of brawls...without cheating.
6. You completed the Subspace Emissary first, so that you could find out which character would be your "Main".
7. Or you did NOT do it first, because you wanted to unlock all the characters the "classic" way.
8. Your "Main" is not based on any video game you knew and loved as a child or adolescent, but solely on their attributes as a fighter. (Not only implying that you only care about him for his attributes, but that you're paying close enough attention to form a tier level in your mind).
9. You have lost sleep trying to play this game all alone.
10. None of your friends want your friend code...and they never want to go near your Wii when they're at your house...if they even visit.
11. Slightly elongated abdomin, with a leaf pattern, symbolizes the difference between the "Casual" Brawl fan, and a "That Guy". </Nature Show Voice>
12. You can think of at least 12 ways to tell that you're "That Guy".
13. Though to be fair, I'm only "That Guy" with my family, who doesn't get to play it that often...amongst my college clique, I barely register as a casual fan.
14. I think I should probably get some sleep now.
15. Goodnight.
16. Zzzzzz...

Edit: Having said all that I've said, I have to remind myself to also say: I LIKE Brawl. It's not the BEST game in the cosmos ever, but it's very entertaining platforming/Fighting fun, even if you're doing it all alone. SSE, while it DID take awhile *Unless you're just really good at speed running things, which I'm NOT*, does unlock every character for you once you're done (That damn hedgehog IS a bitch to unlock...fastest thing alive my ass) and once you have unlocked it, you really only have as much skill as it took to get through the game...even less if you decided to just give up on SNK-boss Tabuu, who comes complete with teleportation, massive beam attacks, and of course, the instant-death move that you can only avoid by being really good or practically cheating. But now I'm ranting again...what I meant to say was that this game, for all its flaws, is STILL really good.

All the unlock stuff actually makes me not want to buy the game. I mean, maybe the game is good, but I don't want only half a game when I paid for it all, and I know myself well enough that I have no real skill in this; even with practice.
When half a game is locked, it always pisses me off.

Ok.. I can't agree more about over-hyping a game. It takes all the fun out of it before you can actually buy it, aspecially if it features characters you never heard of, and need to type their names in japanese on google to find it. We have GTA 4 coming up, and I can pretty much guess that's the next game on the review list... if it isn't Assasin's creed or something.

Really enjoy your work, though I doubt you read these :P

Garfgarog:

That and it would seem that the user base for this board by and large is filled with self-important egotistical elitists, it leads to problems. Yahtzee's been forced into a 'hatred' skew because that's what everyone tells them they like, so he'll always try to point out the negative, and right off the bat you'll have 8:1 of the posts to follow agreeing unconditionally.

As opposed to what, the legions upon legions of game reviewers who take their payola and give everything created by a big studio a 9.5, thus perpetuating this idiotic cycle of games that are nothing more then elaborate tech demos?

No thanks sparky, I'd much rather stick with these reviews, however overly cynical they may be. See, I don't agree because I'm some mindless zealot of Yahtzee, I agree because we need more critical voices in an industry that falls all over itself to be a part of the corporate circle jerk and praise games that are nothing more then bland eyecandy. This industry has been long headed towards stagnation and since games are my media poison of choice, I'd like to see the industry held to higher standards then most fanboys will allow for. Thus, I enjoy these very critical reviews.

I guess that makes me an "elitist". Oh well. At least I'm not a mindless fanboy.

Bryy:

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Mursam:
Does nobody find it strange that 6 months after Yahtzee bags out Halo 3 only 389 comments were posted, yet within 12 HOURS of Yahtzee bagging out Brawl, the comment count has reached 488?

Imagine when he reviews MGS4: GotP.

That will be a day of reckoning.

I'm guessing the site will just crash.

That. Was. Awesome. Yahtzee is Legend!

Once again... A funny review... Although a little off-topic in parts....

What everyone should remember that this is SATIRE. Not just of the game in question, but of gaming culture in general. Not all fan-boys wear the t-shirts and cat-ears, but some obviously do and are the extreme example of "fanboyism".
Yahtzee over-emphasizes the bad points of games in order to amuse us... And if you're offended by it, you can choose to disagree by all means, but there is no real reason to slam the man for using an exaggerated representation of you to make a point. Did he refer to you exactly? No... He's just using an exaggerated character for comedic effect. If you fit that particular stereotype depicted then sorry, but that's still no reason to slam him or his supporters. Watch his other videos and I'm sure you'll find something you'll laugh at.
I mean... He's reviewed a few games that I've brought, but they didn't piss me off in the slightest... But rather I enjoyed seeing him rip them apart and exposing the little problems that i had been thinking were there too.

Sadly, I admit I'm not a fan of the SSB series... It randomness and fan-service aspects of the game put me off, but I'm willing to join in for a bit of Wii-mote flailing if the opportunity arises... In fact, my friend got the Japanese release a couple of days before release day in Japan (good having friends in the local game shop) And I've had a bit of fun with it in multiplayer, but i just couldn't play it for a long time... It got dull and repetitive fast...

Oh yes... And the point raised about being beaten by button bashers, It's true, isn't it?
How many people here have taken time to learn the system of a fighting game and then their friend has come over to play and button-bashed his way to a win on the first try? But after that, you cream them and wind up being "that guy"...
It certainly happened to me with DOA2 on the PS2...

BOOYA its in Queensland

I enjoyed SSBB, despite its horrible subspace emissary mode, and frustrating online play (I can never get into a match, and when I do it usually lags too much). I played the original when I was younger and never bought a gamecube so I never really played Melee (played it for a couple hours at a friend's place, but not enough to make an opinion). This one brought back some memories of the first SSB and made me feel all warm and fuzzy. The fighting is very balanced, easy to pick up, and there are many different options/modes/minigames to play around with. Yes the game is overhyped, but what isn't these days. It's fun and whoever thinks otherwise is taking it too seriously.

I agreed with all the reviews yahtzee gave so far, but this one really disappointed me. Not because he disliked it, but because he didn't really review it. It seemed more like a list of things he dislikes about the game, the company that made it, and the people who play it. In other words, pure fanboy baiting. At least in his Halo 3 review there was some review amidst the baiting.

I like it much better when it's a humorous review of the game, rather than a total bashing of the game with some humor. Unless the game is terrible, in which case I don't need a review and would rather just laugh at it. SSBB was overhyped but far from terrible. I don't think it deserved to be run into the ground as it was.

PS. I'm not a fanboy. I own a wii, xbox 360, playstation 2, and gaming PC. I don't let hype, console, nor previous games in a series effect my opinion on a game. I do, however, enjoy the occasional fanboy rant so long as it isn't too biased.

PPS. I have no freakin' clue who Marth is. I couldn't even guess his gender for the longest time.

ManBarrel:
Why can't people make up their own minds about games, and continue to watch ZP as a entertaining review of a game by a quick witted and cynical/angry/funny Australian man.

I have enjoyed many games that Yahtzee has hated, or at least not liked, but I have also seen the flaws in them. BioShock was the simpler System Shock 2, Crysis has basically no plot, and MOH enemies have x-ray telescopic vision. I still enjoy the games despite their (hilarious) flaws.

You people need to chill out, laugh at the flaws, and not be up in arms when someone doesn't like a game that you enjoy.

I am probably going to be banned for this

He isn't Australian he is English

Absolutely marvelous review! Me and friend giggled muchly... especially at the ending with big heavy words fallin' onto the "miserable fanboy twat" in perfect synch with the dialogue.

Unlike for instance the epic failed MOH:Airborne review - which was little more than hatred for the US and also revealing a glaring gap in Yahtzee's otherwise sweet and vast general knowledge (flak towers Ben, flak towers... friggin' FLAK TOWERS!!! :-P) - this review revealed several gargantuan issues which demonstrates why I will never really like fighting games because the options are to 1) mash buttons randomly and have a 25-75 chance of winning or 2) waste many several hours learning and become that guy/gal and still only get a 75-25% chance of winning while gaining the hatred of my friends; losing the "fun" aspect of the game; and gaining the frustration of occationally losing to someone randomly mashing buttons.

/S

Entharion:
Ok.. I can't agree more about over-hyping a game.

I was filming the midnight release at my local GameStop... the freaking tourneys where people are getting so excited and hooting and hollering over stuff they have only read about on a website....

wow, too many comments! Need a way to pull them all up at once instead of page flipping.

Does Yahtzee really have to tell us all about his hatred for the small majority of viewers who actually nag him to review games? We get it. You hate them. Most of us don't like them either. Just ignore them. Review what you want with a light attitude and you'll keep the gigantic audience you've now formed.

We don't want to hear about or be reminded at the tons of fanboys out there. We want to hear "an intelligent review with a hint of schitzophrenia."

Edit: At least I do anyway...

God damn this thread exploded, I can say whatever I want and it won't matter....

Tuning fork flapjaw space I need scissors 61!!!!

Yatzi is a sellawt and not funneh!

omg SSBB is awesum how cud joo yatzi?

hay guys why is he called yahtzee?

OMG YAHTZEE YOU ARE SO FUNNEH, YOU SOOO HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD, LIKE, SRRSLY!

btw, with the insane amount of comments on this, even though the first two users are banned, it's totally worth it, this is the one time saying "FIRST" is an accomplishment.

Phantomstrider8:
Does Yahtzee really have to tell us all about his hatred for the small majority of viewers who actually nag him to review games? We get it. You hate them. Most of us don't like them either. Just ignore them. Review what you want with a light attitude and you'll keep the gigantic audience you've now formed.

We don't want to hear about or be reminded at the tons of fanboys out there. We want to hear "an intelligent review with a hint of schitzophrenia."

Edit: At least I do anyway...

I suggest going to www.fullyramblomatic.com to see more about his hatred towards his fans and his inbox... it's not as "small" of a problem as you think.

Yahtzee's pretty much right.

I mean, do you actually play Smash Bros for the coherent, logical gameplay? I think not. There's just something fantastically fun about walloping the shit out of... well, everything, while you have only a vague idea of the basic controls and moves. If a person doesn't enjoy that you can hardly argue that if only they'd loosen up the almost-random button mashing would become amusing.

I agree pretty much entirely with this review, SSMB is an overhyped fanboy pile of wank. My opinion is slightly skewed due to my hatred for Nintendo and all it stands for, aka bringing out the same fucking games every fucking year with marginally improved graphics and some gimmicky new addition which no-one honestly gives a shit about.

Not all fighting games are complete button mashers however, Soul Calibur does have a much more significant degree of strategy in it then most, although it is still possible to win by mashing your face into the pad it's much more difficult then most.

Oh and to the nintendo fanbois: Cry Moar.

To be honest I much prefer button-mashers to those "press this sequence of buttons five times over while flipping the controller and making toast to perform an aerial kick" games.

beekay:
To be honest I much prefer button-mashers to those "press this sequence of buttons five times over while flipping the controller and making toast to perform an aerial kick" games.

Pretty much what I feel. I'm not saying that button-mashers are a great type of game, just that they are much easier to pick up then the sequence games. A new player in it just for the fun in the first type will probably HAVE fun right away, and might actually stand a chance (though, I would like to point out, even button-mashing in SSBM I lost consistanty against my cousin, who is a veteran of the series), whilst in a sequence game he stands virtually no chance against even somebody who's experience is a few hours worth.

Meh, my two cents.

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