Zero Punctuation: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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Pretty good review, though I use the term loosely since it ended up turning into more of a rant about Nintendo.

For the record, though, proposing that one could button-mash their way through any of the Smash Bros. games and actually win matches against people who know what they're doing shows a staggering lack of comprehension of the nature of the games. I guarantee that any one of you calling SSBB (or SSB, or SSBM) a button-masher would lose to me ninety-nine times out of a hundred. That's all there is to it. If you disagree, you are wrong.

But then again, Zero Punctuation is always a laugh-a-minute, and that's mostly because of the incredibly subjective criteria under which games are critiqued.

that was good review.

Dizzy Katana:
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hold up.
Ok, i think Yahtzee makes perfectly valid points here. I also think it's fair enough if you don't like the game that much.
Personally? I cant get enough of it. It's one of the most unique fighters I've played, seeing as most are one-on-one kung-fu shitstorms.

But i must say this: some of you guys seem to only agree with Yahtzee blindly. I mean, it's like if he turned around and said "Oh, GTA4 is a pile of crap," you guys would jump behind him and support his every word with a knife or baseball bat (whichever your preferance).

Fair enough, you might not like the game. But try it first: and form your own bloody opinion.

dizzy katana your right on the money to what i was tryin to say earlier.
i dont put gramma because a) i dont give a s*** and b) i come from deaf parents and gramma is excluded from sign language and c) i suck at written english
and the other point was even if you dont lke other people may and thats there opinion they may even fall in love with that particular game which is why you get fanboys
its like if i said yahtzee sucks you'd all tear me limb from limb in defence of him not that he needs it i'm sure he could spit out far worse bile at me than any of you lot anyway what i'm sayin is most of you have become sheep some are showing there own initiative and thought and to all those few i would buy you a beer if i knew you or had money and to all those who genuinely thought that review was awesome or good watch some earlier reviews of his then tell me what you think and everyone is dissin fan boys loyalty and love is somethin to be congratulated but when its about games its a bit sad as is me posting as is anyones but hey we still all do it

I don't know why it took me so long to realize this but why is it that all other "gamers" in his videos are either:

Him
His "friends"

and Fat Nerds? Surely the "Fat Nerd" stereotype is pretty much destroyed with some exceptions of people who have been gaming all their lives.

no, whenever I play a "that guy," he's usually a fatty too. And I was going to say something objectionable about the grammar two posts earlier, but, quite frankly, I enjoyed reading that too much to complain.

u do mean mine dont you if so thank you if not then i dont know and i my earlier post the one on this page i meant to say even if you dont like a game.

anyway lets all chill out and enjoy which ever game we/i/you like on which ever format you like it on and shoot beat slash jump race smash our/your/my way through it

Lzdarkangel:
anyway lets all chill out and enjoy which ever game we/i/you like on which ever format you like it on and shoot beat slash jump race smash our/your/my way through it

If it was that simple, forums would probably not exist ^^ Everyone wants their piece of flame-fame!

I only read the first two pages, but no one is defending the game? Underneath the fan boy wet dream is a relatively (compared to melee) deep and very well balanced fighter. I am surprised that any one could beat another person by just randomly pressing buttons. to me it is the least button mashing friendly fighter around.

I think this just shows that any sort of multiplayer game is not Yahtzee's cup o tea.

With items off, the whole button mashing argument is crumpled up into a rather small ball and thrown out the window, assuming you're not fighting on Rumble Falls.

I really didn't like this review. Not because I love Smash Bros., either, because I do agree with several of the points in here, and the whole button mashing point was the only one I was really in disagreement with. But I found that this Zero Punctuation steered away from the usual clever, negatively-slanted critique and instead came off as mere complaining about the game. If you're not going to complain in a humorous fashion, don't complain. When Yahtzee was complaining about JRPGs in Super Paper Mario, that was in a humorous fashion. In this one I felt he was simply whining about reviewing the game, not finding much he said particularly funny. Well, there's always next time, I guess...

Also, being "that guy" is completely and utterly true. It not only hits the nail on the head, it hits the nail so hard the hammer shatters into seventy-two pieces.

Nidenel:
Underneath the fan boy wet dream is a relatively deep and very well balanced fighter.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Good one mate that was the funniest thing I ever read!!!

...you WERE joking, right?

Ultrajoe:

m_jim:

immortal88:
The N64 version of this game is more playable in my opinion. The Wii version really is terrible. Though to be honest, I didn't have high hopes for it to begin with and he game was a gift...

What is so "terrible?" There are a couple things that I don't like, such as the removal of the air dodge and Dr. Mario or that they changed the sound that Ness's bat makes and Mario's Down+B, but I'm having a blast. The new characters Zero Suit Samus and Snake are very cool and have a good move set.

he said 'i' and 'in my opinion', you dont have to defend your own opinions when they were not even mentioned.

and that, friends, is why this thread is 850 posts long.

Wow, thanks for being really disagreeable for no good reason. I did not throw down the gauntlet and challenge him to a duel to the death. I asked him a question since he didn't elaborate in his post and I was curious as to why he said that it was terrible. It's called a "conversation."

ElArabDeMagnifico:
I don't know why it took me so long to realize this but why is it that all other "gamers" in his videos are either:

Him
His "friends"

and Fat Nerds? Surely the "Fat Nerd" stereotype is pretty much destroyed with some exceptions of people who have been gaming all their lives.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, brother.

111 posts to go...

PsychoJosh:

Nidenel:
Underneath the fan boy wet dream is a relatively deep and very well balanced fighter.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Good one mate that was the funniest thing I ever read!!!

...you WERE joking, right?

To Nidenel, it began to be defended somewhere in the teens, and here and there before then. It's okay.

To PsycoJosh, it's a valid argument I'm afraid. Yahtzee gave it a solid "meh," which, by his standards, isn't that bad. It's up there with Bioshock, which he admitted later to not be so bad when compared to Halo 3, which is beloved by many. Smashbashing was something you could only get away with in the aforementioned early pages; now you need to back them up with valid reasons. And fanboy remarks no longer count, because it's somewhat circular logic to say a game is bad because people like a bad game. Or whatever the fanboy argument is.
And if you read this whole thing, you have more patience than I do. :)

you know i skimmed over this thread and i realized the length of it actually has self diffused the flame war of the early pages, maybe what we need is LESS locked pages, why not let two people just slug it out until they don't have the strength to swing anymore.

OR i have the best idea, lets resolve this once and for all, all the people who hate smash bros on one side of the room, people who like it on the other, and we settle this... with a smash bros tournament hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, that or dodgeball.

I like the way people comment about how they are gonna show this to their friends to piss them off. I mean, even tho you believe Yathzee is your god, i doubt your friends will care much about a random australian game being angry at nintendo for being so succesful using the same formula. It's funny, but at the point he clearly said ''im only gonna review the part i want to review'' (like in the halo 3 review), you know this is not gonna be a serious review. I agree with him when he says that this review is useless tho, because reviewing a multiplayer game without the multiplayer aspect of it makes it lose all it's credibility. But the fact that this is entertainment and not really reviews ALSO make it lose all of it's credibility (as a review, and not entertainment... because it is entertaining or i wouldnt be here).

PS: This is entertainement. Thats why you watch it and laugh so hard.

I think for SSB4, they should turn it into SSB: fanboy edition. They could try and get all the fanboy favourites from other consoles and PC. That way you could shoot up Mario as Master Chief, or smash in Cloud Strife's head with Gordon Freeman. Maybe Yahtzee could be an unlockable character.

On a side note, GTA4 is finally here. Don't buy into the hype and you might actually enjoy it.

Lombardi:
I found that this Zero Punctuation steered away from the usual clever, negatively-slanted critique and instead came off as mere complaining about the game. If you're not going to complain in a humorous fashion, don't complain. When Yahtzee was complaining about JRPGs in Super Paper Mario, that was in a humorous fashion. In this one I felt he was simply whining about reviewing the game, not finding much he said particularly funny. Well, there's always next time, I guess...

Which most regulars (sorry, most regulars who can think for themselves)[/generalisation] feel. Or, at least, how I feel.

Simon_TR:
I think for SSB4, they should turn it into SSB: fanboy edition. They could try and get all the fanboy favourites from other consoles and PC. That way you could shoot up Mario as Master Chief, or smash in Cloud Strife's head with Gordon Freeman. Maybe Yahtzee could be an unlockable character.

On a side note, GTA4 is finally here. Don't buy into the hype and you might actually enjoy it.

With all the perfect scores it has nabbed, my expectations have shot through the roof.

GTA's to me have never been that interesting once you've played one you pretty much played them all and they get so boring so quickly for me the missions all seem the same theres only so much time that i can stand causing havoc it just dont do anything for me. DONT HURT ME PLEASE ITS MY OPINION YOU CANT DO A DAMN THING but this one looks a little more interesting but still wont get it straight away unless i can get a special edition

ElArabDeMagnifico:

With all the perfect scores it has nabbed, my expectations have shot through the roof.

Mine too, can't wait till my brother gets it (I'm gonna have to wait for the PC release). Also looking forward to the treatment it gets on here, I'm expecting a "brilliant at what it does, but what it does we've all seen 3 times before" type of thing.

Lzdarkangel:
DON'T HURT ME PLEASE ITS MY OPINION YOU CANT DO A DAMN THING

Hey, chill friend, there's nothing wrong wit- oh wait I forgot which thread I'm in, ahem, I'M GONNA COME ROUND YO HOUSE & BEET U UP IRL U PHILLASTINE!

Aside from the outraged screams and generic plaudits ("GO YAHTZEE! TELL IT LIKE IT IZ! LOLZ!") I'm stunned at how mature the reactions have been the later you get into this thread... Fans of SSB pointing out that no, actually. It's not a button basher. And criticism of Nintendo isn't actually relevant to a game developed by Sora...

I would just like to throw a couple of things into the mix.

1) No, Yahtzee is not a "proper" reviewer. The clue should be the lack of a score at the end of a video. This is okay, they're edatorials, not reviews. They're opinion pieces. This is fine, Yahtzee would not be the legend he is if he had to review games conventionally - he'd have to sacrifice humour for serious boring review stuff.

2) I really wish Yahtzee would drop this idotic pretence of hating people who watch his reviews or email him or whatever. It's pretentious and unnesecerry.

3) I find it a bit rich when Yahtzee complains about fanboys. Has he not read these threads? He has more of them than Nintendo has.

Lol at the ammount of pages, really people just WOW!

Its just a game, its not the second comming of jesus, FFS halo 3 already happened ...

#899
I agree. StarCraft, WoW and Halo are already released :)

halo mediocre my own opinion not yahtzee's i have got the game and played it nowt special starcraft seen bein played and think i had a go was a decent game new one coming out soon and WoW mmorpg's well i could play one and become a hermit for the rest of my life but i happen to like a social life lol WoW is probably the best one out there but i'd play guild wars coz no cost mmorpgs tend to be roughly the same kinda missions and classes tend to be loosely similar and recently apart from the odd one or two everyone has come to an agreement on sssb so how will my limbs look after this?

disposable157:

2) I really wish Yahtzee would drop this idotic pretence of hating people who watch his reviews or email him or whatever. It's pretentious and unnesecerry.

I don't think he hates the people who watch him, just the ones who watch him and e-mail him asking when he'll review/editorialize Ocarina of Time and Super Mario Kart and other various games who have spawned massive cult followings and such.

disposable157:

3) I find it a bit rich when Yahtzee complains about fanboys. Has he not read these threads? He has more of them than Nintendo has.

He does not!! lol But I agree.

Maybe it's because I thoroughly enjoy Smash Bros games, but this seemed to be his most biased review yet, in that he brought up almost no valid arguments about the game itself, though the do-all-the-levels-twice thing I completely agree with. Oh, and that gametraders thing was really unfunny, and it was worse because I was showing a friend this review so he could see what ZP is all about, and I was all like "I swear to God this is usually funny".

I honestly don't see what's so bad about unlockables. Up until this review I didn't even know people didn't like them. I enjoy them, because it kind of gives you something to look forward to and be surprised about. I guess if you're chock full of 21st century impatience and you need everything now, then unlockables aren't going to be your thing. And I suppose it might be bad to lock the most-hyped characters, but it could have been worse. All the other hyped new characters were ready to go, so I was able to try out Diddy Kong and Pokemon Trainer right away.

I've always thought SSB has 2 things going for it:
1. A fanboy massive crossover, yes.
2. A successful reinvention of the wheel of fighting games.
I've never liked mortal kombat style games, because the button sequences were too hard to master, and all the levels were purely cosmetic (but even though I don't like them, I don't mind that other people do). With SSB, every character uses the same simple control scheme to create unique attacks to form strategy around, you can use items and weapons to further mix things up, and the levels actually matter. If SSB was a plain old Mario Party minigame game, then yes it would just be a big fanboy game, but I don't think it would have sold as well because the gameplay in SSB is a lot of fun and appeals to a lot of people.

Lastly, Yahtzee again seems to discourage anyone who plays games by themselves long enough to get good at them, and says everyone should just sample everything and not be outstanding at anything. Then he proceeds to play that Minority song. That seems contradictory to me. The alternative music crowd plays all these songs about not conforming, but as soon as they meet someone who doesn't conform to their cool interests, they shun them.

Another game that is ruined yet again by a horrible camera, samey game play, and the company trying to squeze every last dime out of their dying franchise.

I'm not sure I agree with most of the above statements. Firstly, I have a friend who doesn't normally find Yahtzee funny (weird, right?) but thought this review was funny. It depends on the person, yeah? Secondly, Yahtzee's reviews are reviews, even if they ARE funny, and even if you don't have an extreme opinion as to its truthfulness in your case.

Blast5000:
I like the way people comment about how they are gonna show this to their friends to piss them off. I mean, even tho you believe Yathzee is your god, i doubt your friends will care much about a random australian game being angry at nintendo for being so succesful using the same formula. It's funny, but at the point he clearly said ''im only gonna review the part i want to review'' (like in the halo 3 review), you know this is not gonna be a serious review. I agree with him when he says that this review is useless tho, because reviewing a multiplayer game without the multiplayer aspect of it makes it lose all it's credibility. But the fact that this is entertainment and not really reviews ALSO make it lose all of it's credibility (as a review, and not entertainment... because it is entertaining or i wouldnt be here).

PS: This is entertainement. Thats why you watch it and laugh so hard.

I don't even know where to begin...

Oh wait, yes I do. If some random Aussie talking crap about their beloved game didn't make people angry then why are we closing in on 1000 posts in this thread?

Next up, Are you confusing this with the Halo 3 review? He clearly played this one multiplayer because it is a multiplayer game by design. That was the point, he and all his multiplayer friends found it to be 'meh'.

On your last point, this is entertainment and a review. Reviews can be entertaining. He clearly pointed out what he thought were the flaws of the game and why he thinks the flaws are in the game to begin with.

Somebody needs to make this point clear: just because somebody disagrees with you on the value of a game does not mean that opinion is not valid or does not count as a review of said game.

Theissen:
Very funny review! Possibly one of the best.

And I feel really sorry for Yahtzee... People should let him review whatever he wants to.

Yeah, that'd be great. How about letting him review games he really likes. So he's got a chance to be positive for once. I really feel less and less the need to be transported to the sarcastic middle of the universe time and again. Yathzee should do a rant of brilliant alternative ideas for short and longtime development of the medium - with one brilliant example that he likes. Maybe one of his own games?

I honestly don't see what's so bad about unlockables. Up until this review I didn't even know people didn't like them. I enjoy them, because it kind of gives you something to look forward to and be surprised about. I guess if you're chock full of 21st century impatience and you need everything now, then unlockables aren't going to be your thing. And I suppose it might be bad to lock the most-hyped characters, but it could have been worse. All the other hyped new characters were ready to go, so I was able to try out Diddy Kong and Pokemon Trainer right away.

For multiplayer games I say it sucks!
Smash bros isn't the worst. Okay maybe not all characters are available, but you can always pick someone else and still play the real game

I remember buying Wario Ware with a group of friends, just to have it for some friend nights, only to find out you have to play through the entire single player just to unlock the multiplayer -.-

Even smash bros again, I think the bad times I had to play without a save game far outweight that 'unlocking pleasure' the first time

I love unlockables and they can work in multiplayer games- it's a nice suprise to unlock Marth for example, or the complete waste of space that is Jiggly Puff.

But making Snake and Sonic locked by default is just stupid. Ditto Zero Suit Samus. I suppose the theory behind it is to give a real reward for playing the game for a long time but that can be effectively countered with the argument- Don't be so stupid.

On the subject of Yahtzee's reviews being reviews- they are in that he criticises the game and talks about various bits of it etc. etc. but in real terms-

the function of a review is to determine whether or not an average player will like the game in question. Yahtzee's reviews are all about what Yahtzee thinks. That's not a criticism, it's just true. That's not a review, that's an editorial.

You can tell I used to study English can't you? Pedant to the bone, I am...

Oh yes, I agree with the WarioWare stuff for sure. We tried saving our data to a remote to use on a friend's Wii, but it was tied to our Mii data at home or something. We did manage to race through the single player in time to have some fun together, but it was still very annoying. It's really too bad because that's an excellent party game.

I actually played the game expecting him to comment on several phoned-in aspects of the game, like the character clones, break the targets, and removal of end-of-level bonuses.

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