Zero Punctuation: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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Agree with everything he says, had a wii and sold it because no more heroes was the only decent single player game I found, have a PS3 now because unreal tournament makes me a little bit wet (love it) and a 360 because then I can save 5 everytime I buy a game because sony don't know what they are doing.

'Jezum Crow! 33 pages of posts, 144,000 veiws! This is more popular than me and my friends Youtube channels combined over the past 4 years!

Anarchemitis:
'Jezum Crow! 33 pages of posts, 144,000 veiws! This is more popular than me and my friends Youtube channels combined over the past 4 years!

That's not saying much, really its you and about one other person.

Has anyone noticed that 3/4 of the content on this thread has not actually been Nintendo fanboys defending SSBB so much as PS3 or XBox360 fanboys (who else could it be?) flaming it? I mean, everyone insults all the rabid "Nintendo fanboys" who are allegedly defending the game and the franchise in general while refusing to acknowledge its flaws, but if you look closely you'll notice that in between posts of random people condemning Brawl it's actually pretty hard to find a Nintendo fanboy blindly championing it.

Ironic how people insulting Nintendo fanboys for whining their baseless opinions wrought with poor spelling into some guy's forum are choosing those fanboys' same medium and same style to do exactly the same thing.

Not really on-topc with the review itself but I wanted to say nice choice with the Strongbow, Yahtzee.

Greaterof2evils:
Has anyone noticed that 3/4 of the content on this thread has not actually been Nintendo fanboys defending SSBB so much as PS3 or XBox360 fanboys (who else could it be?) flaming it? I mean, everyone insults all the rabid "Nintendo fanboys" who are allegedly defending the game and the franchise in general while refusing to acknowledge its flaws, but if you look closely you'll notice that in between posts of random people condemning Brawl it's actually pretty hard to find a Nintendo fanboy blindly championing it.

Ironic how people insulting Nintendo fanboys for whining their baseless opinions wrought with poor spelling into some guy's forum are choosing those fanboys' same medium and same style to do exactly the same thing.

Shut it, Nintendo fanboy.

Hahah, I can bet that made you so angry, eh? Too bad NOONE cares what you think, loser.

Patronizing:

Hahah, I can bet that made you so angry, eh? Too bad NOONE cares what you think, loser.

I care what you think *hugs*

EDIT: THAAAAANK YOU WILSON.

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seriously like 1200 comments
wow yatzee what have you done, you may just crash the internet going against the status quo.
Like seriously what have you done?!

:D!

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Maybe Yahtzee can review our 3 presidential candidates (in the U.S.)

Or maybe he could take a tesla coil covered in Whale semen and rape my throat with it, same result.

wow, that was sudden even for me, i apologize, beg your forgiveness and finish by saying that the only thing less interesting than the results of the U.S election is watching paint dry on the acting talent of Hayden Christensen.

And yet- I bet Yahtzee could make it really hilarious.

MrSod:

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Maybe Yahtzee can review our 3 presidential candidates (in the U.S.)

Or maybe he could take a tesla coil covered in Whale semen and rape my throat with it, same result.

wow, that was sudden even for me, i apologize, beg your forgiveness and finish by saying that the only thing less interesting than the results of the U.S election is watching paint dry on the acting talent of Hayden Christensen.

And yet- I bet Yahtzee could make it really hilarious.

ok, not to subscribe to the 'Yahtzee = messiah' mentality, but if he has the talent to make me give a crap about that election why would he waste it making me give a crap about said election. There are better things for someone to do with their time, like have intercourse or review GTA4.

once again, a bit harsh from me, but i really cant see this latest turn for events in the american political spectrum proving to be any more interesting than watching an old man's nipples become erect to a picture of Rosie O'donnel in a bodysuit

oh... mental image... my deepest apologies.

I tend to be the 'THAT Guy' out of my friend's. It's odd...I tend to use the 'High Roller' way of fighting (Picking a move that works and staying with it) due to the fact I do not own the systems they have (Wii, PS2 and so on) and yet I end up beating them.

One tend's to laugh and think it's amazing I can actually beat people at a Game I have no idea how to play many times over, while the other gradually gets more and more furious after every defeat and is soon trying to rip out my throat with his bare teeth. Me, I'm just plain happy to be playing.

While I've been watching ZP for a while now (My first video being Bioshock; which I found Extremely entertaining) I don't seem to understand why there is so much anger and hate here. I'm very suprised to see people take things like this to such a high level...It's the man's own opinion. Do you really, honestly think he'll change said opinion because you whine and dribble over the things he didn't review and how other's will veiw it? I'm not a fan-boy in general. I found the entire Super Smash Brothers franchise rather entertaining, seeing as it's become a basic tritual every New Years Eve at the Yapp007 home: 99x stock - 4 players - Food...From the original to brawl, the games just a fun time killer...but I would never go to this high of a degree over something as trivial as a videogame...

Has it been overrated? Oh yes indeed, but I believe Halo 3 took the entire bakery on that subject. The Camera were a bit glitchy at times and at first I had no idea it would take that long to unlock the characters....but I found the game amusing at the least. It does get rather boring after you play it many times over and seeing as I've had to invest in a cowl and a garlic necklace to play with my raging fanboy pal has also hampered my intrest in the game.

Any way you slice it, be you the Nintendo Fan-boy or the Yahtzee Fan-boy...It's about time to just accept that the man's badmouthed your game with his own opinion and stop adding salt to the wound when it comes to defending him. He already proved he can deftly handle the screaming masses himself.

As always, I adored the review, I eagerly await the next and hope things go (for the most part, but seeing as this is the Internet's) over well.

((I apologize for the grammar and Punctuation..It's late, I'm tired and the expresso high is wearing off...))

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Maybe Yahtzee can review our 3 presidential candidates (in the U.S.)

Or maybe he could take a tesla coil covered in Whale semen and rape my throat with it, same result.

wow, that was sudden even for me, i apologize, beg your forgiveness and finish by saying that the only thing less interesting than the results of the U.S election is watching paint dry on the acting talent of Hayden Christensen.

And yet- I bet Yahtzee could make it really hilarious.

ok, not to subscribe to the 'Yahtzee = messiah' mentality, but if he has the talent to make me give a crap about that election why would he waste it making me give a crap about said election. There are better things for someone to do with their time, like have intercourse or review GTA4.

once again, a bit harsh from me, but i really cant see this latest turn for events in the american political spectrum proving to be any more interesting than watching an old man's nipples become erect to a picture of Rosie O'donnel in a bodysuit

oh... mental image... my deepest apologies.

did everyone here go to the "yahtzee imitators" school of grammar?
or are all game nerds just born with the same ideas of "how to talk funny"???
it's funny when he does it in one of these reviews, but when your comments are the same hairy-cock-sucking combination of aweful sexual hyperboles that he uses it becomes a bit repetitive...

see i did it.. and i'd do it again.. if i could be arsed

oh.. it's.. it's.. horrible..
you all manage to TYPE with an english accent... how the fuck do you TYPE with an accent? (rhetorical.. dont spend hours describing it to me..)

No, a lot of us are just not Americans, and as such know how to construct proper sentences... and spell colour correctly...

As for the long windedness and the frequent references to your mother's sexual misadventures, it's hardly Yahtzee specific. Penny Arcade and Hijinks Ensue spring to mind as obvious fonts of verbosity and dongs.

Hilarious, absolutely glorious review. It's like the Internet was invented just for Yahtzee to come around. Your reviews are the most ingenious thing I've ever seen. Why can't any other game reviewers approach games with your subtle humor and total honesty?

More people seemed upset about him bashing SSBB then Halo3 which was 1 thing I did not expect :S

EonEire:
More people seemed upset about him bashing SSBB then Halo3 which was 1 thing I did not expect :S

Well Nintendo fanboys have been around a lot longer than their Xbox equivalents, and their years of bitter warfare with Sega fanboys in the 90s have made them a lot more fanatical.

The only complaint I have about the review is that he didn't mention any of the really stupid shit that Nintendo did with Brawl. Instead of balancing characters by taking away gay moves and combos, they balanced it by giving every character something really gay. And then there's tripping. For those of you who haven't played it, there's a random chance that you'll trip and fall on your ass when you move left or right on the ground. Brilliant eh?

Personally, I like this series as well as Metroid, Mario, Zelda, and Mario Kart. Nintendo could keep producing new iterations of those games following the same structures and I'd be happy. Not because I'm an uber Nintendo fanboy, I just think those games are fun and don't need to be changed in the name of innovation. If you don't, that's fine and I hope you have fun with whatever games you enjoy.

Getting back to the point, I just wish there had been mention of the really retarded changes that were made to the SSB series with this installment. It was funny though. And that's all that really matters.

I have to say, reading this thread made me so gleeful a little bit of wee came out.

Only a little bit, but nevertheless.

Ive alwase wanted to see him review some really obscure game right when everyone thought he was about to review say... Grand Theft Auto 4

I don't buy games based on your review, but I do love your opinion! because it's the truth! I would love to hear your take on the new way to milk a game for money - downloadable content

Jesus-tits-Christ:

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Ultrajoe:

MrSod:

Maybe Yahtzee can review our 3 presidential candidates (in the U.S.)

Or maybe he could take a tesla coil covered in Whale semen and rape my throat with it, same result.

wow, that was sudden even for me, i apologize, beg your forgiveness and finish by saying that the only thing less interesting than the results of the U.S election is watching paint dry on the acting talent of Hayden Christensen.

And yet- I bet Yahtzee could make it really hilarious.

ok, not to subscribe to the 'Yahtzee = messiah' mentality, but if he has the talent to make me give a crap about that election why would he waste it making me give a crap about said election. There are better things for someone to do with their time, like have intercourse or review GTA4.

once again, a bit harsh from me, but i really cant see this latest turn for events in the american political spectrum proving to be any more interesting than watching an old man's nipples become erect to a picture of Rosie O'donnel in a bodysuit

oh... mental image... my deepest apologies.

did everyone here go to the "yahtzee imitators" school of grammar?
or are all game nerds just born with the same ideas of "how to talk funny"???
it's funny when he does it in one of these reviews, but when your comments are the same hairy-cock-sucking combination of aweful sexual hyperboles that he uses it becomes a bit repetitive...

see i did it.. and i'd do it again.. if i could be arsed

i was planning on adding to this post to try and hit page 34 until i saw this...

why does anyone who attempts to use slightly eloquent converse get labeled as an imitator; stop breathing dude, That was my thing waaay before any of you.

But i am complimented that you singled me out as the example, i feel warm now.

I wish I could go to Game Traders Robina... alas I live in the UK where the government shits all over you and expects you to pay money for the priviledge. Closest thing we have is Gamestation and that sucks a big fat hairy Donkey Face

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that SSBB is unbelievably retarded. I never was a fan of the franchise. It sucks, as far as I'm concerned.

My god i finally found someone who disagrees with this bloody game, I praise you now, your like god but i find Ronald mcdonald, George Carlin and my dick better than god of coarse so your like #3 on my list right behind George carlin and my dick. I don't even know why I'm writing this damn comment when the chances of you reading it is slim to none. But anyway everything you said in BOTH videos about brawl are 100% true. If theirs someone out their who disagrees with this, your one of the people that Yahtzee was talking about so you wouldn't understand a bloody thing cause someone is poking your brain to hard with a stick. The only reason why i wanted to try the game out was the non-nintendo characters but it still board me half to sleep with my pj's already on during lunch, but almost everything on this dull pointless planet boards me till the end of time until Emmet Brown comes along and changes time with entertainment.Life would be more fun if everyone lives on their own little planet and passes time thinking, and wacking off except making a bunch of colorful endless characters beat the tar out of each other,I still rather live on my own planet with nothing except my mind and dick. I still don't understand why Nintendo makes things like this, sure you get alot of money but they also start losing their will to live. Just like Disney adding all those girly teen crap to their lives, and not even remembering the names "Mickey Mouse" and "Walt Disney" before. Well anyway good video, keep telling the truth to the world even is she covers her ears and ignores you. At least you still got the people, like us who actually have a mind and listen.

I can't say I agree with the general diagnosis on this one. He certainly has more than enough valid criticisms, such as a repetitive story mode, and how unlockable characters are a terrible idea. In general, though, I think that Yahtzee falls into the audience defined as "the large group of people that Brawl just plain old isn't targeted towards", which includes most people in this thread. I find the mindlessness of it all rather engrossing, and what the core gameplay consists of is extremely well done if you're looking for that sort of thing.

What threw me was the comment about button mashing. No offense to many people here, but if you gather four people together who completely suck at Smash Bros, the best masher is definitely going to win. So far, though, I have never once seen a masher do well at all against a more experienced player.

As for being "that guy", that certainly applies to a two-player match (in all games), but I have data that proves otherwise in four-player matches. I went and gathered three other people who have never played Smash Bros before, or many games at all, really, and played against them in a Brawl. I won hands down, but this seemed to do extremely little to bother them, and they had a great time.

I think the key issue here is that Yahtzee just falls into a different crowd than what Smash Bros is aimed at, as I've said before. And it is this, of course, that makes a horde of delirious fanboys spam his mailbox with hatred, but in all honesty, anyone who flies into a rage over a Yahtzee review isn't worth that much to society.

liquidmetal:
Getting back to the point, I just wish there had been mention of the really retarded changes that were made to the SSB series with this installment. It was funny though. And that's all that really matters.

I think addressing changes requires that you play the previous iterations first, which Yahtzee has not.

Also, if one more American/British fellow tells someone of the other nation how "color/colour" is correctly spelled, I'm going to rip off your head and shove it up your arse. Jesus. Who the fuck CARES.

Sorry about triple post, my individual thoughts happen on a time delay.

The Sound Defense:
I can't say I agree with the general diagnosis on this one. He certainly has more than enough valid criticisms, such as a repetitive story mode, and how unlockable characters are a terrible idea. In general, though, I think that Yahtzee falls into the audience defined as "the large group of people that Brawl just plain old isn't targeted towards", which includes most people in this thread. I find the mindlessness of it all rather engrossing, and what the core gameplay consists of is extremely well done if you're looking for that sort of thing.

What threw me was the comment about button mashing. No offense to many people here, but if you gather four people together who completely suck at Smash Bros, the best masher is definitely going to win. So far, though, I have never once seen a masher do well at all against a more experienced player.

As for being "that guy", that certainly applies to a two-player match (in all games), but I have data that proves otherwise in four-player matches. I went and gathered three other people who have never played Smash Bros before, or many games at all, really, and played against them in a Brawl. I won hands down, but this seemed to do extremely little to bother them, and they had a great time.

I think the key issue here is that Yahtzee just falls into a different crowd than what Smash Bros is aimed at, as I've said before. And it is this, of course, that makes a horde of delirious fanboys spam his mailbox with hatred, but in all honesty, anyone who flies into a rage over a Yahtzee review isn't worth that much to society.

I agree a bit.
Except your data of the "that guy" thing. It depends on the people your playing with and their personality. For an example i played with 3 people and their was always one guy complaining that he sucks while the other is telling him to screw off for saying that etc. while im stuck their in the middle sighing.While others just have fun cause they dont really give 3 shits about the game or if they win or not.Speaking of which those stars you get for winning really excite the "that guy" person, always saying "i got more stars than you haha etc" while everyone else is just going "atleast i have bigger balls"

And the random smashing button thing i disagree also. I seen it countless times hell it happens to me sometimes also that i hit random buttons while my mind is in the planet Uranus not noticing im actually winning the stupid game.

But i still agree with you, it depends what you like and don't like and this is defiantly one of those like good category or don't like category game.

If this comment doesnt make sense sorry to lazy to reread and its 1am here and im tired as hell...and please dont be one of the people who start arguments from comments its kinda pointless

I'm depressed cause I agree with what Yahtzee said in his review of ssbb, even though I would be classed under the nintendo fan boy ladder. The game was originally plugged as a launch game for the console and ended up being 2 years late and counting, its still not on Australia's shelves outside a game traders' store (yes, I'm a fellow aussie, who cares).
Controls where easy, and even if they weren't for you could easily change them to whatever you could think of with the custom control settings. - Honestly, they had more control choices then base characters!
The game unlocks pissed me off for this game for the exact opposite reason as any other game. FAR TOO EASY!! All you had to do was 1p story mode and they all came out of the woodwork. Which made Sonic the LAST character you unlock playing the game as he only appears on the last level, even though he is a prominent advertised character for the game. Great plan Nintendo.
At least in SSBM you had some characters that needed so many hours VS game play, making it so a group gameplay game had important things to unlock as a group.
The versus maps were way too small (AGAIN), making characters have needed big maps (yoshi, DK, sonic, etc.) sad choices for matches. You could use the level builder, but it was way too limiting which made it even more frustrating. The boss maps in the story mode were so much better than the scrolling maps you get stuck with in multiplayer.
They kept all the crap characters everyone hated from the last smash bros game, and the new surprise characters were a waste of time. Worst of all they all had the same attacks and supers! If I didn't want to play Fox, I'm not going to start using Falco, let alone Wolf!! Also they shouldn't have brought new characters into ssbb from games older than a super nintendo. Who the hell is this Pit Prat?!
I could go on and on like this but at the end of the day, I prefer playing SSBM on my Wii than this new version. At least it was rewarding.
Great review, keep it up!

Kobushi:
I'm depressed cause I agree with what Yahtzee said in his review of ssbb, even though I would be classed under the nintendo fan boy ladder. The game was originally plugged as a launch game for the console and ended up being 2 years late and counting, its still not on Australia's shelves outside a game traders' store (yes, I'm a fellow aussie, who cares).
Controls where easy, and even if they weren't for you could easily change them to whatever you could think of with the custom control settings. - Honestly, they had more control choices then base characters!
The game unlocks pissed me off for this game for the exact opposite reason as any other game. FAR TOO EASY!! All you had to do was 1p story mode and they all came out of the woodwork. Which made Sonic the LAST character you unlock playing the game as he only appears on the last level, even though he is a prominent advertised character for the game. Great plan Nintendo.
At least in SSBM you had some characters that needed so many hours VS game play, making it so a group gameplay game had important things to unlock as a group.
The versus maps were way too small (AGAIN), making characters have needed big maps (yoshi, DK, sonic, etc.) sad choices for matches. You could use the level builder, but it was way too limiting which made it even more frustrating. The boss maps in the story mode were so much better than the scrolling maps you get stuck with in multiplayer.
They kept all the crap characters everyone hated from the last smash bros game, and the new surprise characters were a waste of time. Worst of all they all had the same attacks and supers! If I didn't want to play Fox, I'm not going to start using Falco, let alone Wolf!! Also they shouldn't have brought new characters into ssbb from games older than a super nintendo. Who the hell is this Pit Prat?!
I could go on and on like this but at the end of the day, I prefer playing SSBM on my Wii than this new version. At least it was rewarding.
Great review, keep it up!

-Pit is from an NES game..
-the fox/falco/wolf argument is true
-Melee had some good maps (I put my concentration on the word some in this sentence)

Ok I completly disagree with this guys review after watching a few of reviews I liked them they were good funny and had alot there. But oh my god when I got to this one I couldn't believe it. First of all this guy dosn't have a right to review the game not because he dosn't like fighting games or hates nintendo. What drives me is that he wasn't willing to put all that much time into the game to really understand it. I can understand why he didn't understand that you didn't have to play through story to unlock characters and that the levels repeat themselves once at the end. How ever the fact of smashing buttons make you think wtf and those that disagree you can customize your controller suck that. Another thing I notice that the only reason he was willing to play was of sonic and snake. And of course you have to unlock them it make the player go longer however if that the only reason why your playing is for those characters. You obviosly are nintendo hater that for some reason decided that nintendo was evil probly because your parents killed themselves right before you. Having no place to take your blame you blamed it on the only thing in your life video games and since sony system died you saw nintendo as the killer so decided to spend your time playing video games instead of going around looking for your parents killers. And acourse microsoft comes out shortly latter and in a leap of hope you see it a becon when what your actually doing is going around killing people with a chainsaw whyle watching the blood of your victims. And since nintendo started go down with gamecube it was like justice was served then all of a sudden the wii is shown and for you it like the come of the anti criss you go home cry and when ssb is shown you spit on it in hopes that it won' come out good. However when you hear reviewers raving about it you automaticly call them fan boys and take your hatred of nintendo out on condemed 2. Acourse you don't plan to play the game but when your audiece beggs you to your forced to play since you snake is in it so you have some hope of blood. As you put the game you see the flashy images of nintendo charactes as your hatred comeing back makeing it impossible to have any fun. On top of that you are a poor host not unlocking at least a few characters for your friends so they can play as who they like. In the end you explore no real features of the game and never get a real chance to see what it has to offer.
You sir are a nintendo hater I respect your opion but it a preaty poor opion.

Sorahero:
Ok I completly disagree with this guys review after watching a few of reviews I liked them they were good funny and had alot there. But oh my god when I got to this one I couldn't believe it. First of all this guy dosn't have a right to review the game not because he dosn't like fighting games or hates nintendo. What drives me is that he wasn't willing to put all that much time into the game to really understand it. I can understand why he didn't understand that you didn't have to play through story to unlock characters and that the levels repeat themselves once at the end. How ever the fact of smashing buttons make you think wtf and those that disagree you can customize your controller suck that. Another thing I notice that the only reason he was willing to play was of sonic and snake. And of course you have to unlock them it make the player go longer however if that the only reason why your playing is for those characters.

I read your whole post and I decided to cut half of your argument because the other last half didn't made any sense to me; it seemed like a kid's rant.

I hope you read it again to see how stupid it sounded.

I agree with respecting opinions, though.

Random argument man:

-Pit is from an NES game..
-the fox/falco/wolf argument is true
-Melee had some good maps (I put my concentration on the word some in this sentence)

The reason I brought the question of who Pit was, was the fact that he is a character from a Nintendo game that is over 20 years forgotten. I realise that alot of Nintendo's character's like Donkey Kong, Mario, and Kirby started their release on the original Nintendo, but if they didn't have a sequel made or haven't been followed up since their initial game, don't make them out to be a great classic game character.

I didn't say the maps were not good, I said they were too small. Though I can't believe how many of their maps are side scrollers, or change halfway into the fight. Who the hell came up with the idea of a side scrolling fighting map anyway!? If you were in the middle of a fight and the earth started shaking under your feet, YOU WOULD STOP! The fight would stop, and you'd worry more about getting out of the area, then when the disaster finished, you'd resume the fight. I've been playing the smash bros series since 64 and if friends come over for a game, we never go on a side scroll map. It distracts from the fight itself.

On a new note, why are so many of the new characters micro-managers? In Melee, the Ice-climber and zelda were the only real duel character players. They were ok, but never favourites (not due to who they were but how you played them). Now they added Pikmin, Poke'mon Trainer, and even Samus - Metroid suit to zero-suit switch in fight. How much did they really want to annoy us with novelty characters like this? Poke'mon trainer was ok... but the others were crap. I thought they were going to bring in King K.Rool among other good characters. oh well...

I don't give a damn. Yeah it's not bulletproof, but all that matters is that the one playing it likes it and I do.

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