MikePhilibin:
wow, like where did THAT anger come from. No, what am I saying, I know where the anger comes from but come on, that one with the two green and red dinosaurs inhabiting the same four panels every episode is a hoot? No?

I think you'd find it more funny if ... oh, it's not funny. You're right. It was a Hellish diatribe of mind-f***ed anacrhonism. Just the way we like it. The snarkier the better. Go Mr C.

Anyway, what (you're wondering) have little "i" been up to this week. Well, getting ready for the release of my two new short anti-corporate angel-bestiality novels from Silverthought Press (NY) and forgetting to watch this episode for a full 12 hours would be one, and seeing that there are already 500 Comments to be buried under, like a dolphin under a pile of Auschwitz corpses.

This week I wrote a blog entry hailing the winner of the DEATH TO OBTRUSIVE 2D INTERFACE AWARD, not that anyone's gonna read it now that it's 16 pages down. At least I'm not banned, like the twerp who posted first. Was it ever worth it?

:)

What the hell is the point of your post? To tell us that you didn't feel like you had the time to read through the thread and to present us with crap you want us to read? Are you being serious or just trolling, because I honestly can't tell.

The Existentialist:

invertedgamer:
All gaming related web comics are terrible, even the popular Penny Arcade comics are shit. I didn't realize so many people read that crap, you're rotting your brain.

Go read something original like Cyanide and Happiness.

Your troll-fu is weak. If you had picked something like Achewood, Dr. McNinja, Templar,Arizona, Rice Boy, Order of the Stick, or any of the other hundreds of non-video game related webcomics, I might have actually given you credit as having a point. That you used something as lacking in talent and writing ability as Cyanide and Happiness kind of ruins your argument. C&H is basically aimed at the same crowd that find "Family Guy" hysterical. Hell, it makes "Family Guy" look hysterical in comparison. I've read through their archives, and I've yet to see anything from them that has made me crack a smile, let alone laugh.

Yet you watch Zero Punctuation?

Yahtzee's jokes are about as crude and interchangeable as any of Family Guy's jokes.

Many people here seem to forget that theirs is not the only way of looking at things.

I think Yahtzee did this one quite well. The constant references, along with the "It's not CAD..." feel did add to the humour.

As for CAD, all I can say that Buckley is a prick, but I liked his comic strips. They're not the best (VG Cats is good, as well as Concerned and F@NBOY$), but they made me chuckle on occasion. That was then though, and now, I'm feeling that his comic strip has jumped the shark, and maybe it's time he put down the pen. Or people will have to cut his hands off...

KneeLord:
There were a couple points people made that I wanted to touch on, but since logging in sent me back to page 1, I'm not going to be arsed about the quote function.

Regarding a medium (webcomics in this case) being drowned in mediocrity due to increased accessiblity and easy-of-creation: Yes, this does seem to lend itself to oversaturation of 'me too' novice production, but it also lifts the restrictions barring ambitious, creative individuals from publication - allowing the formation of diamonds in the aforementioned rough. Further, since there is no subscription fee or entry cost to peruse the materials presented, an abundance of uncertified publication isn't going to destabilize anyone's cultural establishment or emergant industry. Consequently, the only real harm amature productions do is waste the time of readers pig-headedly committed to plowing through material they've already established they dislike... I suppose common sense would say that it's better to spend your time exploring greener pastures than finding fault things you already dislike and hating them for being popular, but I think we're all aware on some level that mindset doesn't facilitate the vicarious pleasures of indulging in generating buzzing, gossipy pulp at the speed of information.

I believe the idea is that it lowers standards overall. When people can start to call things such as the miscarriage story and orc rape story "deep and moving" something is wrong. Granted, there are bound to be a certain number of people who go "Ooh, mediocre shite for free, SIGN ME UP!" but It's assumed most people can still see what it is they're about to wade through. Considering the level of popularity associated with CAD, we fall back to "Where are all the crazies coming from?" and to be frank I'm vexed. I would almost say it's contrary to logic, but then I remember comics/newspaper funnies.

invertedgamer:

Lord_Seth:

invertedgamer:
All gaming related web comics are terrible, even the popular Penny Arcade comics are shit. I didn't realize so many people read that crap, you're rotting your brain.

Go read something original like Cyanide and Happiness.

Penny Arcade IS original...

I still find this elitism attitude hilarious. "You like this? Then you're stupid!"

I fail to see how making video game parodies = original.

Like Yahtzee said, it takes about 1min to think up some sort of gaming related joke. As long as you can illustrate said joke, throw in a few swear words and try to sound witty, dumb asses like you will think it's cool.

You realize that Penny Arcade more often than not shies away from making video game jokes. It still makes them every now and again, but the reference to the medium isn't really what makes the joke. Just like you don't need to be intelligent to use violence, that shouldn't lump people who actually understand slapstick comedy with all the stupids.

invertedgamer:

The Existentialist:

invertedgamer:
All gaming related web comics are terrible, even the popular Penny Arcade comics are shit. I didn't realize so many people read that crap, you're rotting your brain.

Go read something original like Cyanide and Happiness.

Your troll-fu is weak. If you had picked something like Achewood, Dr. McNinja, Templar,Arizona, Rice Boy, Order of the Stick, or any of the other hundreds of non-video game related webcomics, I might have actually given you credit as having a point. That you used something as lacking in talent and writing ability as Cyanide and Happiness kind of ruins your argument. C&H is basically aimed at the same crowd that find "Family Guy" hysterical. Hell, it makes "Family Guy" look hysterical in comparison. I've read through their archives, and I've yet to see anything from them that has made me crack a smile, let alone laugh.

Yet you watch Zero Punctuation?

Yahtzee's jokes are about as crude and interchangeable as any of Family Guy's jokes.

...Did you even read that before you posted it? While Yahtzee relies on crude humor every now and then, Family Guy relies on the same thing CAD does, referential "humor" and by that I mean "It's funny because I know about it." The scene where Stewie goes on to Punch Will Feril (Or however you spell that last name) because of Bewitched is a perfect example. The lead up was obvious, it drug on for a good minute or two, and there wasn't even a payoff beyond "Hurr hurr he punched a famous person for doing a bad movie."

Friendly_Neighborhood_Misanthrope:
Many people here seem to forget that theirs is not the only way of looking at things.

And others forget that just because they enjoy something it doesn't make it's inherently good.

invertedgamer:
Yet you watch Zero Punctuation?

Yahtzee's jokes are about as crude and interchangeable as any of Family Guy's jokes.

Touche. I really can't think of a way to respond, other than that I still enjoy Yahtzee but can't bear Cyanide and Happiness. I recognize the subjectivity of humor, but I honestly feel that, to some degree, Yahtzee still pulls off what he does better than C&H or recent Family Guy.

Though it does look like Tempdude0 found a way to refute you that I missed, so he (or she, if that happens to be the case) is smarter than I am.

Though, at the same time, it could be argued that C&H isn't especially original, considering it's a lot like most of the other non-sequitor webcomics out there.

The only good web comic ever made was Pokey the Penguin. End of story.

Why am I not amazed that this weeks ZP has created the perfect sh*tstorm of controversy?
Over 500 comments on this thread and the postcount is still roaring away skywards like a Saturn V rocket.

I liked this weeks installment as it was Yahtzees standard act of verbally crapping over something he doesn't like, which he does eruditely and well. It the great use of language he employs as well as actually thinking about his subject material that keep me coming back.

CAD itself is a pretty lame webcomic as are pretty much most of the rest of them. Sure some of them have large fan bases and the authors get sponsorship from advertisers which in a few cases means they can quit their day jobs [if they ever had one in the first place?] and wallow obscenely in being webcelebs. And more power to 'em is what I say. If they are doing something that they like and are getting paid for it and people like it [even if it is crap] then they're on a winning ticket.

And as for Buckleys intollerance of criticism, well thats his problem. It makes him less of a man as if he can't accept constructive criticisms then as Yahtzee points out, he'll never grow and develop further. However, there is no reason whatsoever that he or anyone else for that matter, has to listen to f*ckwits who just want to be abusive distended monkey rectums and use the anonimity of the internet to hurl their virtual poo at anyone or thing that provokes their ire. The interesting thing to note that if a lot of the flame and abusive behaviour that we see on forums, when someone disagrees or takes offense, were enacted out in real life then there'd be fists flying in pretty short order. The fact that there is no physical threat from retaliation for obnoxious behaviour means that the worst that can happen is a ban from a forum rather than laying on the floor spitting out blood and broken teeth because you happen be piss the wrong person off by being an inconsiderate & mouthy dickhead.

It does seem as though Webcomics are doing their best to prove Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.

Ben's a few months late on this one. VG Cats basically said the same thing in 4 panels:

http://www.vgcats.com/cadaprilfools/

Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow:
...when someone disagrees or takes offense, were enacted out in real life then there'd be fists flying in pretty short order. The fact that there is no physical threat from retaliation for obnoxious behaviour means that the worst that can happen is a ban from a forum rather than laying on the floor spitting out blood and broken teeth because you happen be piss the wrong person off by being an inconsiderate & mouthy dickhead.

What about those of us who are inconsiderate and mouthy dickheads in real life as well? Sometimes you need to be less than subtle when dealing with people, especially people who think a good argument is "I like it" "It's popular" "You don't understand it" "[insert other whiny cliche argument]". When defending something it normally takes more than a sentence even when the subject matter is something that's subjective and not enough to provoke any strong emotions. Worse comes to worse you get your ass kicked.

invertedgamer:
I fail to see how making video game parodies = original.

It was pretty original (for a webcomic, at least) when Penny Arcade started out. Then when it got popular and actually was a commercial success, people jumped on the bandwagon and a flood of videogame-related webcomics came out. Yahtzee even MENTIONED most of this in his review. Also, possibly recognizing the oversaturation of the market, Penny Arcade, while still making video game jokes, started making jokes about other things as well.

Lord_Seth:

invertedgamer:
I fail to see how making video game parodies = original.

It was pretty original (for a webcomic, at least) when Penny Arcade started out. Then when it got popular and actually was a commercial success, people jumped on the bandwagon and a flood of videogame-related webcomics came out. Yahtzee even MENTIONED most of this in his review. Also, possibly recognizing the oversaturation of the market, Penny Arcade, while still making video game jokes, started making jokes about other things as well.

As with all art forms, originality does not mean "good". It's not the medium, it's the talent.

JonahNYC:

Lord_Seth:

invertedgamer:
I fail to see how making video game parodies = original.

It was pretty original (for a webcomic, at least) when Penny Arcade started out. Then when it got popular and actually was a commercial success, people jumped on the bandwagon and a flood of videogame-related webcomics came out. Yahtzee even MENTIONED most of this in his review. Also, possibly recognizing the oversaturation of the market, Penny Arcade, while still making video game jokes, started making jokes about other things as well.

As with all art forms, originality does not mean "good". It's not the medium, it's the talent.

True. But Penny Arcade does do it well, most of the time anyway.

rofflemow

nice.

also, why does every "first" poster get banned? something about that makes me very happy.

Tempdude0:
I believe the idea is that it lowers standards overall. When people can start to call things such as the miscarriage story and orc rape story "deep and moving" something is wrong. Granted, there are bound to be a certain number of people who go "Ooh, mediocre shite for free, SIGN ME UP!" but It's assumed most people can still see what it is they're about to wade through. Considering the level of popularity associated with CAD, we fall back to "Where are all the crazies coming from?" and to be frank I'm vexed. I would almost say it's contrary to logic, but then I remember comics/newspaper funnies.

I can see where you're coming from. One really only needs to turn on the television, open a newspaper, or click a few hyperlinks to realize how perplexing and inane people's tastes are. It is pretty disheartening to see mediocrity consistently celebrated and rewarded - perpetuating the appeal of its creation, but the quiet optimist in me is trying to hold out hope for those individuals who reject the standard set by popular culture and aspire to create integrity and quality in their endeavors.

I realize this potentially opens another door into the room of wanky elitists tossing each other off about their percieved superiority, but thats another story altogether and I don't think integrity mandates egotism.

Anyone happen to stumble across this gem on the interwebs? I know it's horribly wrong, but it makes me smirk every time I see it. It's that last panel that gets me.

http://www.eegra.com/show/sub/do/browse/cat/comics/id/36

I enjoy CAD though, and while I don't much care for the miscarriage storyline, it's not going to stop me from reading it. I also enjoyed ZP's little jab at CAD. It is possible to enjoy both. As for Buckley being a prick, I have no idea. I only pop on when the comic updates to read it, I don't venture anywhere else on the site.

KneeLord:

Tempdude0:
I believe the idea is that it lowers standards overall. When people can start to call things such as the miscarriage story and orc rape story "deep and moving" something is wrong. Granted, there are bound to be a certain number of people who go "Ooh, mediocre shite for free, SIGN ME UP!" but It's assumed most people can still see what it is they're about to wade through. Considering the level of popularity associated with CAD, we fall back to "Where are all the crazies coming from?" and to be frank I'm vexed. I would almost say it's contrary to logic, but then I remember comics/newspaper funnies.

I can see where you're coming from. One really only needs to turn on the television, open a newspaper, or click a few hyperlinks to realize how perplexing and inane people's tastes are. It is pretty disheartening to see mediocrity consistently celebrated and rewarded - perpetuating the appeal of its creation, but the quiet optimist in me is trying to hold out hope for those individuals who reject the standard set by popular culture and aspire to create integrity and quality in their endeavors.

I realize this potentially opens another door into the room of wanky elitists tossing each other off about their percieved superiority, but thats another story altogether and I don't think integrity mandates egotism.

Trust me, I understand the hope. I would LOVE if people suddenly came out of whatever haze they're in and decided that it would be okay to start producing works of quality and integrity. The problem is that producing something with any redeeming factors is going to be difficult, and people shy away from hard work like nerds at a con shy from soap...And don't tell me that's not accurate, I could TASTE THE GODDAMN AIR! IT WAS LI...uh, sorry, little bit off topic there.

As for the elitist wankfodder, you live with it. I'd rather have a bunch of people with superiority complexes bitching which good things is the best than the current run of idiots with poor standards. At least the arguments might get a tad better.

Look, there is a very simple way to resolve the CAD issue:

Those who like it, read it.

Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.

Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!

You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.

For the record, I like CAD. I liked it before the miscarriage story, and I still like it. I found out I was going to be a father in December (unplanned; the condom failed). Miscarriage happened a few months later. I've been through this, so I think I have more right than any bitchy little pre-pubescent X-Box gamer to say whether the miscarriage plot is out of order or not. It wasn't.

Tempdude0: Agreed :)... and jesus, you're giving me olfactory flashbacks man! Yeesh ;)

Wargamer:
Look, there is a very simple way to resolve the CAD issue:

Those who like it, read it.

Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.

Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!

You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.

Well, first, I'd say it takes an hour or two max to read through the archives. That said, I love your logic. It doesn't try to adress the merits of the comic OR the flaws, it gets right to the heart of the matter, the fact that people don't like it but since it's free who cares?

Had you paid attention to the posts above you, you might have some insight as to why people care. I don't need to read every single comic to know it's bad, despite the fact I'm introduced to each one as they come out. Yay for some friends being fans.

The football game thing isn't even on base. It's neither free nor is it within the scope of your interests. If I like football games and the madden ones cheese me off because they seem to lack innovation, I have every right to be annoyed that they're dragging down the incentive of other games to do new and interesting things.

The same applies for CAD. I love comics and firmly believe that the web should have been a way for ameteurs to get their work noticed. A kind of springboard into professional work. Instead, it's turned into one giant wankfest with no talent hacks like B^UCKLEY and Mooky leading the pack. They're lowering the standards of everyone else. Why make a realistic story filled with real human emotion and three dimensional characters when I can get everything I need from "Lol ecksbawks!" Behold my gripe with CAD and every other crap comic out there.

Honestly though, I can't really argue with you. You're not bright enough to even attempt an argument. You go for ad homenem attacks immediately and can't even be bothered to use a parallel that makes even a lick of sense. TRULY YOU ARE A GOD AMONG DEBATERS!

...A, master debater, if you will.

Ha ha, wanker.

KneeLord:
Tempdude0: Agreed :)... and jesus, you're giving me olfactory flashbacks man! Yeesh ;)

Feel my pain! Also, I saw this one guy...He was square. I swear to god, he had corners and everything. He looked like a walking couch pillow. I thought he was a wall till he started moving. Fuckin' scared me man.

Brilliant, I haven't even looked at CAD in some time so i didn't know about the abortion storyline, what a joke, awful awful stuff. Dont get me wrong im no big fan of any webcomic, but CAD is the lowest of the low.

seems I'm the only one who found this one to be pretty low.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.

The 'train on a gun' comic was CAD's sole moment of glory.

matches81:
seems I'm the only one who found this one to be pretty low.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.

Listen, regardless of your personal opinions, at least try to get what he was saying correct. It wasn't that he was including drama in a "joke a day" comic, it was that he did it badly, used a poor subject in bad taste, and then shifted right back into the "joke a day" format.

Take a look at some of the longer posts. They go into this in greater detail and should clear up any misconceptions you have about what he was saying.

I like the rooster teeth webcomics.

A few thoughts:
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.

2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.

thebrink:
CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

Exhibit A

On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.

3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.

4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.

KrabbiPatty:
Enough about trolls lets talk about the subject matter.

This review was crap for the same reason about 90% of modenr parody movies are crap. There is a fine line between making light of a subject and being a prick, and Yhatzee planted himself on the prick side of the line ages ago.

He says he's aware of the hypocritical nature of it all but he clearly isnt, he seems to genuinely believe that he's funny or witty. As someone said WAY back about, oh, three pages ago...most of his reviews are complete BS. If you own these games you'll understand but he takes small problems and seems to imply they take up a whole game, and otherwise makes up problems out of whole cloth (the supposedly "slipery" controls of Turok, which werent, for example). I think he seems to have leapt onto the AVGN's bandwagon without noticing that the Nerd is being self-consciously ironic, and not serious. In effect, Yhatzee IS an angry video game nerd, only he's not playing a character he really is one.

Is it funny? Yeah sometimes. Other times the open dishonesty of some of the "reviews" is simply too much to deal with. And then there's this. I've never read CAD but the word on the interwebs is that Yhatzee and Buckley are rivals. I find this just hilarious. I'm reminded of high school, where two pawing, friendless dorks would try and cling to a little rivalry or something and toss spitballs at one another from across the class. It was childish and stupid then and it's even more so when the two dorks are grown men. But thats the one truism found in Penny Arcade...normal people, given the obscuring mists of the internet, become Jeckyl and Hyde when they realize no one can really retaliate.

I'm sure flames will rain down on me for saying this, of course. I guess i should be...scared or whatever. But i'm sorry, having both a girlfriend and functional genetals i simply dont care to put up with such High School 'tardery. I graduated, i did my time.

No worries, all good mate, you just lack a functioning irony gland.

Which is ironic btw, compounding the disappointment I am sure you feel.

Good news is, it's not incurable unless you have American genes and have at least one Republican voter in your immediate family.

fierydemise:
A few thoughts:
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.

2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.

thebrink:
CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

Exhibit A

On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.

3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.

4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.

1) That's your opinion and to be frank, I really can't refute it. I still chuckled, but I'll admit there was "overt ranting". I happen to hold a particular bonfire of hate for CAD and its creator so I could overlook that aspect.

2) Glad you enjoy it. That said, read some of the longer posts a few pages back. They clearly explain why people don't like it. Hell, you don't even have to look at mine. I think it was Evilduck who did another of the longer explanations. Any of them that go into detail should give you an understanding of our gripes with it.

As for the fuckwit, he's not indicative of the rest of us. While I can't fathom why some people find humor in CAD, I'm not going to call them a douche just for their enjoyment of it. I will, however, speak up if they go beyond the "I like it." line to the "It's well done." line, because it really isn't. Once again, look back and you'll see why. I really don't want to re-type shit over and over like in the MGS thread.

The Lucas thing gets to me though. If you have no interest in a woman, why date her? Yeah, I'd be thinking the same thing as him in the restaurant at least because I firmly believe no woman should be larger than I am unless it's hight-wise. As a 6' 1" 238 lb. dude, I think that's a fair rule. Back to the first point though, from there on he acts like a ass. OH, you're actually attractive. Guess I'll re-evaluate...Some guys may do that, but it makes them shallow dicks.

4) I'm legally prohibited from talking about Dresden Codak...Lets leave it at that.

All and all, it's refreshing to see an attempt at a more put together argument in favor CAD. I wish you had looked back through some of the relevant posts so you could refine it, but a gold star for going the extra mile and not being an asshat like most of the others defending your viewpoint.

Oh, HEY! Cegorach, I resent that! My proud American blood practically survives on little other than irony, sarcasm, and the pain of others.

Also, is it a little odd that that guy takes the time to refer to a girlfriend and a working pair of genitals? I mean, I know plenty of jaggoffs who have both and intelligent people who have neither, metaphorically speaking...Then again, it's normally the impotent dorks who never got over high school that go on about things like that, so the irony here just fucking SOARS to a whole new level.

Arntor:
This is how I see this thread:

I'm so totally pro-SKUB.
Oh, and the existentialist flamechild who didn't get what I was saying don't worry, once you're out of diapers the reading comprehension and social relevance will sting like a bee-atch.

:)

I'm just somewhat perplexed by why Yahtzee choose to do this - Admittly, there are few new games good presently, but this seems to be random bolt from the blue, thin valed at CAD, although I imagine a few other comics were hit in it too.

Don't get me wrong, I laughed and found Yahtzee funny and mostly right, but it does seem like a foamly mouthed personal attack on CAD in places. I mean, everyone knew Yahtzee doesn't like CAD, I'm just surprised to see a whole video attack on it.

Anywho, its his opinion, fair enough, but the forum is desparatingly bad -

thebrink:

CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

That seems to be the prevailing attitude here - 'If you think something other than us, you are wrong and stupid' - To be frank, that is what annoys me greatly, this idea that people shouldn't be free to find funny what they find funny. I don't find half the stuff on TV funny - Peep show, the Mightly Bush, the Office - but I'm not going to stand up and shout 'IF YOU LIKE THE OFFICE, YOUR A FUCKWIT'. People should be allowed to laugh at whatever they find amusing, so long as it doesn't a) hurt someone else, or b) they try and force people to watch and/or stop TV/{media in general} companies from making nothing but show X.

Yahtzee > Genital Warts > CAD

What can I say?
The fact that I appear to be missing all the jokes in this one almost makes me think twice about the general fleeing I engage in when any form of creative activity has so much as a sniff of video game humor or culture about it.
But not quite. I just don't think I could put myself through anything that terrible, even if it would be in the spirit of zero punctuation appreciation...

MikePhilbin:

Arntor:
This is how I see this thread:

I'm so totally pro-SKUB.
Oh, and the existentialist flamechild who didn't get what I was saying don't worry, once you're out of diapers the reading comprehension and social relevance will sting like a bee-atch.

:)

Hmmmm, skub! (does skub actually mean anything? I just thought it was amusing ;))