Zero Punctuation: Webcomics

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rofflemow

nice.

also, why does every "first" poster get banned? something about that makes me very happy.

Tempdude0:
I believe the idea is that it lowers standards overall. When people can start to call things such as the miscarriage story and orc rape story "deep and moving" something is wrong. Granted, there are bound to be a certain number of people who go "Ooh, mediocre shite for free, SIGN ME UP!" but It's assumed most people can still see what it is they're about to wade through. Considering the level of popularity associated with CAD, we fall back to "Where are all the crazies coming from?" and to be frank I'm vexed. I would almost say it's contrary to logic, but then I remember comics/newspaper funnies.

I can see where you're coming from. One really only needs to turn on the television, open a newspaper, or click a few hyperlinks to realize how perplexing and inane people's tastes are. It is pretty disheartening to see mediocrity consistently celebrated and rewarded - perpetuating the appeal of its creation, but the quiet optimist in me is trying to hold out hope for those individuals who reject the standard set by popular culture and aspire to create integrity and quality in their endeavors.

I realize this potentially opens another door into the room of wanky elitists tossing each other off about their percieved superiority, but thats another story altogether and I don't think integrity mandates egotism.

Anyone happen to stumble across this gem on the interwebs? I know it's horribly wrong, but it makes me smirk every time I see it. It's that last panel that gets me.

http://www.eegra.com/show/sub/do/browse/cat/comics/id/36

I enjoy CAD though, and while I don't much care for the miscarriage storyline, it's not going to stop me from reading it. I also enjoyed ZP's little jab at CAD. It is possible to enjoy both. As for Buckley being a prick, I have no idea. I only pop on when the comic updates to read it, I don't venture anywhere else on the site.

KneeLord:

Tempdude0:
I believe the idea is that it lowers standards overall. When people can start to call things such as the miscarriage story and orc rape story "deep and moving" something is wrong. Granted, there are bound to be a certain number of people who go "Ooh, mediocre shite for free, SIGN ME UP!" but It's assumed most people can still see what it is they're about to wade through. Considering the level of popularity associated with CAD, we fall back to "Where are all the crazies coming from?" and to be frank I'm vexed. I would almost say it's contrary to logic, but then I remember comics/newspaper funnies.

I can see where you're coming from. One really only needs to turn on the television, open a newspaper, or click a few hyperlinks to realize how perplexing and inane people's tastes are. It is pretty disheartening to see mediocrity consistently celebrated and rewarded - perpetuating the appeal of its creation, but the quiet optimist in me is trying to hold out hope for those individuals who reject the standard set by popular culture and aspire to create integrity and quality in their endeavors.

I realize this potentially opens another door into the room of wanky elitists tossing each other off about their percieved superiority, but thats another story altogether and I don't think integrity mandates egotism.

Trust me, I understand the hope. I would LOVE if people suddenly came out of whatever haze they're in and decided that it would be okay to start producing works of quality and integrity. The problem is that producing something with any redeeming factors is going to be difficult, and people shy away from hard work like nerds at a con shy from soap...And don't tell me that's not accurate, I could TASTE THE GODDAMN AIR! IT WAS LI...uh, sorry, little bit off topic there.

As for the elitist wankfodder, you live with it. I'd rather have a bunch of people with superiority complexes bitching which good things is the best than the current run of idiots with poor standards. At least the arguments might get a tad better.

Look, there is a very simple way to resolve the CAD issue:

Those who like it, read it.

Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.

Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!

You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.

For the record, I like CAD. I liked it before the miscarriage story, and I still like it. I found out I was going to be a father in December (unplanned; the condom failed). Miscarriage happened a few months later. I've been through this, so I think I have more right than any bitchy little pre-pubescent X-Box gamer to say whether the miscarriage plot is out of order or not. It wasn't.

Tempdude0: Agreed :)... and jesus, you're giving me olfactory flashbacks man! Yeesh ;)

Wargamer:
Look, there is a very simple way to resolve the CAD issue:

Those who like it, read it.

Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.

Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!

You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.

Well, first, I'd say it takes an hour or two max to read through the archives. That said, I love your logic. It doesn't try to adress the merits of the comic OR the flaws, it gets right to the heart of the matter, the fact that people don't like it but since it's free who cares?

Had you paid attention to the posts above you, you might have some insight as to why people care. I don't need to read every single comic to know it's bad, despite the fact I'm introduced to each one as they come out. Yay for some friends being fans.

The football game thing isn't even on base. It's neither free nor is it within the scope of your interests. If I like football games and the madden ones cheese me off because they seem to lack innovation, I have every right to be annoyed that they're dragging down the incentive of other games to do new and interesting things.

The same applies for CAD. I love comics and firmly believe that the web should have been a way for ameteurs to get their work noticed. A kind of springboard into professional work. Instead, it's turned into one giant wankfest with no talent hacks like B^UCKLEY and Mooky leading the pack. They're lowering the standards of everyone else. Why make a realistic story filled with real human emotion and three dimensional characters when I can get everything I need from "Lol ecksbawks!" Behold my gripe with CAD and every other crap comic out there.

Honestly though, I can't really argue with you. You're not bright enough to even attempt an argument. You go for ad homenem attacks immediately and can't even be bothered to use a parallel that makes even a lick of sense. TRULY YOU ARE A GOD AMONG DEBATERS!

...A, master debater, if you will.

Ha ha, wanker.

KneeLord:
Tempdude0: Agreed :)... and jesus, you're giving me olfactory flashbacks man! Yeesh ;)

Feel my pain! Also, I saw this one guy...He was square. I swear to god, he had corners and everything. He looked like a walking couch pillow. I thought he was a wall till he started moving. Fuckin' scared me man.

Brilliant, I haven't even looked at CAD in some time so i didn't know about the abortion storyline, what a joke, awful awful stuff. Dont get me wrong im no big fan of any webcomic, but CAD is the lowest of the low.

seems I'm the only one who found this one to be pretty low.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.

The 'train on a gun' comic was CAD's sole moment of glory.

matches81:
seems I'm the only one who found this one to be pretty low.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.

Listen, regardless of your personal opinions, at least try to get what he was saying correct. It wasn't that he was including drama in a "joke a day" comic, it was that he did it badly, used a poor subject in bad taste, and then shifted right back into the "joke a day" format.

Take a look at some of the longer posts. They go into this in greater detail and should clear up any misconceptions you have about what he was saying.

I like the rooster teeth webcomics.

A few thoughts:
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.

2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.

thebrink:
CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

Exhibit A

On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.

3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.

4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.

KrabbiPatty:
Enough about trolls lets talk about the subject matter.

This review was crap for the same reason about 90% of modenr parody movies are crap. There is a fine line between making light of a subject and being a prick, and Yhatzee planted himself on the prick side of the line ages ago.

He says he's aware of the hypocritical nature of it all but he clearly isnt, he seems to genuinely believe that he's funny or witty. As someone said WAY back about, oh, three pages ago...most of his reviews are complete BS. If you own these games you'll understand but he takes small problems and seems to imply they take up a whole game, and otherwise makes up problems out of whole cloth (the supposedly "slipery" controls of Turok, which werent, for example). I think he seems to have leapt onto the AVGN's bandwagon without noticing that the Nerd is being self-consciously ironic, and not serious. In effect, Yhatzee IS an angry video game nerd, only he's not playing a character he really is one.

Is it funny? Yeah sometimes. Other times the open dishonesty of some of the "reviews" is simply too much to deal with. And then there's this. I've never read CAD but the word on the interwebs is that Yhatzee and Buckley are rivals. I find this just hilarious. I'm reminded of high school, where two pawing, friendless dorks would try and cling to a little rivalry or something and toss spitballs at one another from across the class. It was childish and stupid then and it's even more so when the two dorks are grown men. But thats the one truism found in Penny Arcade...normal people, given the obscuring mists of the internet, become Jeckyl and Hyde when they realize no one can really retaliate.

I'm sure flames will rain down on me for saying this, of course. I guess i should be...scared or whatever. But i'm sorry, having both a girlfriend and functional genetals i simply dont care to put up with such High School 'tardery. I graduated, i did my time.

No worries, all good mate, you just lack a functioning irony gland.

Which is ironic btw, compounding the disappointment I am sure you feel.

Good news is, it's not incurable unless you have American genes and have at least one Republican voter in your immediate family.

fierydemise:
A few thoughts:
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.

2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.

thebrink:
CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

Exhibit A

On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.

3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.

4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.

1) That's your opinion and to be frank, I really can't refute it. I still chuckled, but I'll admit there was "overt ranting". I happen to hold a particular bonfire of hate for CAD and its creator so I could overlook that aspect.

2) Glad you enjoy it. That said, read some of the longer posts a few pages back. They clearly explain why people don't like it. Hell, you don't even have to look at mine. I think it was Evilduck who did another of the longer explanations. Any of them that go into detail should give you an understanding of our gripes with it.

As for the fuckwit, he's not indicative of the rest of us. While I can't fathom why some people find humor in CAD, I'm not going to call them a douche just for their enjoyment of it. I will, however, speak up if they go beyond the "I like it." line to the "It's well done." line, because it really isn't. Once again, look back and you'll see why. I really don't want to re-type shit over and over like in the MGS thread.

The Lucas thing gets to me though. If you have no interest in a woman, why date her? Yeah, I'd be thinking the same thing as him in the restaurant at least because I firmly believe no woman should be larger than I am unless it's hight-wise. As a 6' 1" 238 lb. dude, I think that's a fair rule. Back to the first point though, from there on he acts like a ass. OH, you're actually attractive. Guess I'll re-evaluate...Some guys may do that, but it makes them shallow dicks.

4) I'm legally prohibited from talking about Dresden Codak...Lets leave it at that.

All and all, it's refreshing to see an attempt at a more put together argument in favor CAD. I wish you had looked back through some of the relevant posts so you could refine it, but a gold star for going the extra mile and not being an asshat like most of the others defending your viewpoint.

Oh, HEY! Cegorach, I resent that! My proud American blood practically survives on little other than irony, sarcasm, and the pain of others.

Also, is it a little odd that that guy takes the time to refer to a girlfriend and a working pair of genitals? I mean, I know plenty of jaggoffs who have both and intelligent people who have neither, metaphorically speaking...Then again, it's normally the impotent dorks who never got over high school that go on about things like that, so the irony here just fucking SOARS to a whole new level.

Arntor:
This is how I see this thread:
image

I'm so totally pro-SKUB.
Oh, and the existentialist flamechild who didn't get what I was saying don't worry, once you're out of diapers the reading comprehension and social relevance will sting like a bee-atch.

:)

I'm just somewhat perplexed by why Yahtzee choose to do this - Admittly, there are few new games good presently, but this seems to be random bolt from the blue, thin valed at CAD, although I imagine a few other comics were hit in it too.

Don't get me wrong, I laughed and found Yahtzee funny and mostly right, but it does seem like a foamly mouthed personal attack on CAD in places. I mean, everyone knew Yahtzee doesn't like CAD, I'm just surprised to see a whole video attack on it.

Anywho, its his opinion, fair enough, but the forum is desparatingly bad -

thebrink:

CAD was never funny. If you think it's funny you're a douche.

That seems to be the prevailing attitude here - 'If you think something other than us, you are wrong and stupid' - To be frank, that is what annoys me greatly, this idea that people shouldn't be free to find funny what they find funny. I don't find half the stuff on TV funny - Peep show, the Mightly Bush, the Office - but I'm not going to stand up and shout 'IF YOU LIKE THE OFFICE, YOUR A FUCKWIT'. People should be allowed to laugh at whatever they find amusing, so long as it doesn't a) hurt someone else, or b) they try and force people to watch and/or stop TV/{media in general} companies from making nothing but show X.

Yahtzee > Genital Warts > CAD

What can I say?
The fact that I appear to be missing all the jokes in this one almost makes me think twice about the general fleeing I engage in when any form of creative activity has so much as a sniff of video game humor or culture about it.
But not quite. I just don't think I could put myself through anything that terrible, even if it would be in the spirit of zero punctuation appreciation...

MikePhilbin:

Arntor:
This is how I see this thread:
image

I'm so totally pro-SKUB.
Oh, and the existentialist flamechild who didn't get what I was saying don't worry, once you're out of diapers the reading comprehension and social relevance will sting like a bee-atch.

:)

Hmmmm, skub! (does skub actually mean anything? I just thought it was amusing ;))

I click the comment section and see everyone talking about CAD. I go and check CAD. Wow, the baby dying thing Yahtzee spoke of was a real comic? What the hell?

As usual, thank you Yahztee for bringing this to my attention. Great video.

This review was great, and really was a true explanation as to what most comics are. And to be honest, I think CAD had it coming. If it was funny, or even well-drawn, i'd have cared about the bashing, but ya know.

I have no interaction with webcomics atall, i dont even know what this CAD thing you guys are mentioning is, but alot of the stuff Yahtzee says did hit home, i've seen them before, right here on The Escapist in video form, most of the things said to be lame or dumb in this video have actually been done in past Zero Punctuations...

ctrl+alt+del's forums are conveniently down for maintenance.

r o f l .

I own CAD books 1 and 2. I quite enjoyed CAD, a good few years ago. Then, the melodramatic storylines kicked in like hell (Lucas' psycho girlfriend, Lilah's miscarriage, Ethan locked in a box...) and the whole thing started sucking hard. I still occasionally read the latest few, and it hasn't improved in a while. Only costs me a little time to read it, but overall it's stopped being entertaining. That and I've known for a long time that Tim Buckley, as an individual, is extremely unlikeable.

Regarding Yahtzee's "review" - this is what Yahtzee does to games, he's just doing it to webcomics instead for a week. He's right on every count, as he is every week, but I'm still reading some utter crap and some awesome stuff.

In summary: CAD has gone downhill badly, Yahtzee is right on every count, but that doesn't mean I follow his opinion blindly (example: he's right about SSBB being a particle-effect shitstorm, and the initial gameplay without unlocked characters being "ehhhh", but I'm playing it like mad, because like he said, I already knew I was going to like it, and I was right!)

Reading between the lines, this has generated a lot of noise (17 pages and counting), but there's very little "flaming" as some people seem to think. There's some "CAD isn't that bad" and "CAD is terrible and so is everyone that reads it", but very little direct flaming. Congrats to The Escapist forums for keeping the place moderately civil.

CAD seems to be getting a bashing, but nobody picked up on his open mocking of Cyanide & Happiness? I think the boys at explosm were mentioned but a few times in comparison to Tim Burkley in this seemingly endless sea of comic hating vs comic loving. Not that I hate either comic (I enjoy both), just everyone is focusing on the CAD issue (and using, re-using and murdering a play on words that should be aborted*) but not leaping to the defence, or persecution, of a stick figure cartoon. Perhaps it is even the Order of the Stick Yahtzee is having a go at, Rick tends to use a lot of dialog, which sometimes fills a whole page, but you need to for a comic set in a role playing world.

*A similar play on words that is of equally poor taste, but highlights my point well.

To start off,,

I have watched every single episode of Zero Punctuation with no thought of Registering to give comments or anything else.

But this week really had me LOL'ing so here I've registered.

I dont have anything againts CAD, that's just because I have never read one before, and never intend to do so.

It's always is a good change when Yahtzee decides to do a 'special event' video than the regular Game reviews
e.g. Mailbag showdown and Console Rundown. Wouldn't you agree?

Ps. Keep up the good work and I hope you'll retire from doing this when your old. ;]

Best ZP is a long time.

I think Yahtzee should seriously consider evolving ZP beyond just video games but internet phenomena overall. So far whenever he takes a break for reviewing just game(console rundown, mailbag showdown and this) is comes out top notch. I realize he does that on his website but since ZP is more popular than fullyramblomatic he should give it a try.

Now onward to comics. I for one enjoy Penny Arcade and XKCD and read them regularly. I used to browse CAD but either got fed up with or grew out of its type of humor several years ago. And judgeing from what i hear about the site now I made the right choice.

The only webcomic I have read was (God help me)8bit Theater, which became loaded down with endless dialogue a few hundred strips in.

Painful to watch, but inevitable.

Excellent video Yahtzee! You highlighted the recurring stock characters in many webcomics quite nicely :)

MJ12 Commando:
Best ZP is a long time.

I think Yahtzee should seriously consider evolving ZP beyond just video games but internet phenomena overall. So far whenever he takes a break for reviewing just game(console rundown, mailbag showdown and this) is comes out top notch. I realize he does that on his website but since ZP is more popular than fullyramblomatic he should give it a try.

Now onward to comics. I for one enjoy Penny Arcade and XKCD and read them regularly. I used to browse CAD but either got fed up with or grew out of its type of humor several years ago. And judgeing from what i hear about the site now I made the right choice.

If he starts doing that to much then we'll lose interest, Yahtzee already has a pretty good idea as to when he should take a break from game reviews and do something else, because so far we f****** love him. Keep up the good work man!

Okay, in the interest of fairness I went and read through a shitload of Penny Arcade comics.

Anyone who slags of CAD without Slagging Penny Arcade is now a douchébag of the highest order.

Seriously, what the hell? How can you POSSIBLY like one and not the other to such a polarised extent? I like CAD, but PA doesn't do anything for me. I don't hate it, I don't even dislike it, I just wouldn't actively read it. Why? Because it feels very much like CAD, except it is annoying in small ways that spoil it too much for me to like it.

I happen to think that the words "webcomic" and "good" rarely interact, and the words "webcomic" and "art" interact even more rarely. The medium does not allow for the sort of proper quality control (which I will agree is a subjective mechanism, but does filter out a lot of the crap that's out there) that print media allow due to the additional cost of publishing. I tend to believe that whenever I do enjoy a webcomic, it's a case of "it's crap, but I like it". Even with the best webcomics, we're hardly talking Charles Dickens-quality literature.

At the same time, I recognise the hypocrisy of me calling somebody else's work "bad". I recognise that I can't draw anything beyond squared-off technical imagery (a point I was going to lampshade with a ridiculously bad webcomic, before I realised what a waste of time it would have been). My writing - my main creative material - is relentlessly poor, with some very small exceptions, and even these would not stand in any sense as a work of good taste.

Relating to the material being discussed (particularly CAD), those people who cannot take criticism are deluding themselves. Their work will not stand well for posterity.

RAKtheUndead: Gladly contributing to the 90% side of the "Sturgeon's Law" statistic.

P.S.: Can anyone confirm my speculation that Tim Berners-Lee cries into his pillow every night on seeing the abomination that his invention has become?

Lord_Seth:
I still find this elitism attitude hilarious. "You like this? Then you're stupid!"

Welcome to the Internet!

Honestly, I don't care enough to get worked up over this. I've read CAD, i don't hate it or love it. Its neither the best or the worst webcomic out there. Seeing as i know nothing about Tim Buckley as a person, I can't comment on that either. I find Penny Arcade and PVP funnier
(i don't consider artwork to be all that relevant, its the humour that counts), but my current favourite web comics aren't gaming related: i.e. Dr McNinja, Red meat, White Ninja Comics.
I do however feel people a bit unfair in criticising Buckley. If you don't like someone, any action they take will have a negative spin for you. Some might call the miscarriage storyline brave or challenging (im not saying it is, this is a hypothetical), but if you've already decided you don't like the comic or the artist, it wouldn't matter if he was giving out free sweeties and money, you'd still criticise them regardless. Thats the nature of a subjective opinion, people find it easier to maintain it than to change it.

I kind of got into CAD maybe a month ago. There where times when it was actually funny, and moments when it most deffintly wasn't, but I stuck with them anyway (mostly because I had nothing better to do at the time)

Then the miscarriage comic came along. "Oooookkkkkay" I thought at first. "Its out there, but we'll see". About 2 comics later I gave up on it. Why? Because a joke was tossed into the mix and just thought "no, wait, this is too wierd, this guy is a sick bastard." It wasn't funny or sad, just odd.

By the way, great one Yahtzee, I love it when you step away from game reviews every now and then, they're always awesome.

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