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what is the name of the first song?

thanks

xarkin:
what is the name of the first song?

thanks

It says the music in the credits.

rofl!

myopiczeal:
A self-important, bearded transcript:

The thought occurs that for all my banging at the "games are art" drum, art is only as good as the culture that surrounds it. A game could give the most extraordinarily emotional experience in the entirety of human culture, and bring tears to the eyes of a jaded war veteran with no eyes, but it's all for naught if it's not surrounded by self-important bearded tossers who read too much into things for a living, and since I'm one of gaming culture's alpha self-important bearded tossers, I thought I'd discuss the trend of internet gaming humour. And by that I mean the trend of gaming webcomics. And by "trend", I mean "plague".

So you've looked at Penny Arcade, seen the massive amounts of money, prestige, and money those guys get for nine panels a week, and decided that you want in on that. Many gaming webcomic artists have thought the exact same thing - in fact, let's not beat around the bush, all gaming webcomic artists (except Penny Arcade, obviously). The first thing to do is to be, or move in with, someone who can draw, forcefully if necessary. If you don't know anyone who can draw, and you yourself draw like a flipper-handed freak child who just discovered MS Paint, don't fret, just write excessive amounts of dialogue, and hide the hideous art with huge speech bubbles. If you don't know how to draw or write, are a functionally retarded quadruple amputee, and can only communicate by banging your head against a Wacom tablet, that's still no reason to quit; you can wipe your ass with a page of Mega Man sprites, and there'll still be someone on Comic Genesis who'll tell you that it's brilliant.

The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to write what you know, the main character will obviously be you, but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be a charismatic eccentric who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire. The secondary character is the straight man, whose job it is to play comic foil to the other character's bullshit, and inexplicably tolerate his behaviour, when any sane person would be checking the Rooms To Rent pages with one hand, and slamming the idiot's face in a drawer with the other.

The third character is The Girl. You know, girls? Those mysterious creatures you see on the bus, who have their own bathrooms, and spray stingy liquid in your face. If you don't know much about girls, because your conversations with them don't last for more than a few minutes before the police are called, just use your Mum as a frame of reference, characterizing the female as a disapproving, eye-rolling nanny who tolerantly wipes up the whoopsies of the idiot man-children and chastises them with the occasional spanking. And since your ego should be swelling nicely by this point, she should also become the main character's girlfriend somehow, because she finds something adorable about the way he gets hypnotized by her breasts.

Now you have to make your comic funny. And reading most existing webcomics, one could be forgiven for thinking that humour is entirely optional, but believe it or not, there are people who laugh at that stuff, even if it's just the author's mum. Fortunately the advantage of running a gaming webcomic is that gaming humour is incredibly easy. All you have to do is apply video game logic to the real world for comic effect. For example, in say, Gears of War, you have to push the analogue stick to move forward, when in real life, you have to continually put one foot in front of the other. This might not sound like "A" material, but trust me, phrase this right, and there's a fortune to be made in Cafepress shirts. If that doesn't work, go for the edgy crowd, and do a comic implying that Mario does Luigi up the arse. And if that doesn't work, just go on about the Cake being A Lie.

So, now your comic is squatting on the internet like a sewage plant on the river Thames, but you're still not popular because you're competing with every other hack with a Playstation and a messiah complex, so how do you stand out against the crowd? Well, you're forgetting the most important ingredient: drama. I'm not talking about dramatic storylines, although that can certainly be part of it. Let's say, for sake of example, that you're sick of making Companion Cube jokes, and suddenly do a serious storyline about your female character having a miscarriage. Obviously, you'd need to have several blood clots in your brain to think this is a good idea; you're established as a wacky humour comic, so this is going to be an awkward tonal shift at best, and hugely disrespectful of the subject matter at worst. Your most hardcore supporters will feebly attempt to go along with you on this, smiling nervously at each other as they would around a mentally unstable friend with a shillelagh, but mean-spirited, emibttered cocks are gonna call you out on it. At this point, there are many ways you can respond. "I don't see you doing anything better," "I can do whatever I want with MY comic," "You're just jealous because I get more readers," and other equally flawed arguments, but above all else, never admit defeat, because the bigger a douche you are, the more traffic you get, as spectators line up to see you jump around the monkey cage, screaming and flinging your poo.

Drama is the mortar that holds the webcomic community together, and there are so many wonderful ways to create it. Make absolutely no effort to improve your horrible drawing style, act like a prick at a convention, respond to constructive criticism with hostility, and just generally behave like the kind of monstrous egotist that blossom like mushrooms in the darkened trough of shit that is the internet. And if anyone really pisses you off, depict them in your comic as a ridiculous strawman and mock them with infuriating self-righteousness. You know, kind of like exactly what I'm doing now. So your gaming webcomic package is compete. All that's left to do is gather it all together, and throw it in a fucking bin, because you're a talentless cultural pollutant who deserves to suffocate to death on a bag of porridge.

lolwut

another CAD reference hahaha.

the one time i read penny arcade i went gee this sucks why do people say its good

Shut the fuck up. You all !

Noticed a lot of similarities between what Yahtzee said and Ctrl + Alt + Del. Then later on I read that he hated CAD, so there you go, I suppose.

Tempdude0:
Whoa, time out. I don't make grammatical mistakes. I'm far too anal retentive for those to slip through. Don't blame your poor reading skills on me or make excuses. The line you're looking for is "I occasionally misunderstand what you're writing due to not reading it thoroughly/too quickly and not checking back while writing my rebuttals." See, it's easy.

"I do wonder though where you thought that this was in any way comparable to an abusive relationship or someone who is bad at (lets pick a fairly infallible example here) walking through a door. Those are things with concrete definitions and at least in the case of an abusive relationship are serious issues. So far I haven't heard of anyone dieing in connection with bad writing."

Okay, what are you even getting at here? This paragraph has no flow at all. Work on that and get back to me...Wait, I just got it. Oye, the idea was that people don't like to hear things that conflict with what they believe, especially when it conflicts in a way they view as negative. As for the definitions aspect, I'm guessing that refers to my spiel over Deus Ex Machina, in which case you're usage of it is still wrong across the board. One of us here consistently checks the dictionary when unsure of word usage, and it ain't you. Incidentally, writing also has strict definitions for what is right and wrong. Just throwing that out there.

As for "Refuting" my earlier points, I brought more up you never addressed. The Deus Ex Machina for example. I pointed out that most, if not all story lines involve the use of it. I pointed out that there were major inconsistencies, but lets get more specific there. Deegan's wildly fluctuating power level, Luna bouncing around from inept to master, among other things. Further, I fail to see where you even responded to what I had written, such as Terracinos use of stark black and white in relation to acts/motivations that seem to change for no reason other than the writer feels like it's totally fine now. You also skipped over the things I put up in my last post as well. What, are we now just ignoring things we don't feel like answering because it would be hard? Well, I can't say WE, what with me having a fairly smooth time with responding to all your points. I guess it'd just be YOU then.

Also, going back to your own post, a few things confused me. Why do I need to qualify what I see as good? If I see a shit sandwich, I don't need to say I enjoy ham on rye bread to say it's a shit sandwich. As such, I see no reason why it's needed here, though I humored you and tossed up an example. You also mention that D&D can be related to any fantasy setting. This only confuses me in that I referenced Tolkien earlier and the way in which all fantasy for the past thirty years or so has been primarily influenced by his writing, after which you decide to say that line about D&D, a game BASED ON HIS WRITING. It just seems odd.

All in all, you seemed to have skipped over the majority of what I've written and wanked off into the middle of nowhere...and you needed to have the issues with Star Wars 1-3 pointed out to you? What the, just how did you miss them?

First: There is such a thing as a quote tag. Learn to use it.

Second: You completely missed my point. In fact you basically headed in the COMPLETE opposite direction from what I was getting at. If I really need to be as blunt as a bowling ball then fine here it is. There is no need for you to act like you are saving the world from something that poses no threat to it. So stop treating bad writing like it's the end of the world and go find something serious to get worked up over (and before you say that I've gotten worked up over this I outlined quite a few posts ago what my writing looks like when I'm worked up. This is simply mildly irate coupled with a major case of 'I can't believe I wasted so much text on such an idiot'

Third: Luna and Dominic do not have wildly inconsistent power levels.

Fourth: While first and possibly even second edition D&D were heavily influenced by the work of J.R.R. Tolkien the more recent editions can find only traces of his influence to the point of being insubstantial.

Now for the last time. Lets just drop in and could you please find something more important and world threatening to be all high and mighty about. Like global warming.

So, I'm worked up over this how? I do this as one of many ways to relax. Whatever, I'll let that slide. Nice taking your time on responding though. Way to use the time to write a well thought out reply and not just toss out the first thing that comes to mind. Ah well, I guess expecting a competent reply was just hoping for too much.

First: I don't use those things. I see no reason to. I can follow writing without it and any half wit should be able to do the same. Also, I'm lazy in that regard.

Second: I dislike bad writing, so I tell people when I see it. If they're being obtuse, I beat it into them. Since this is a relaxing activity, I see no reason to go "find something serious", not to mention I take writing somewhat seriously, but that's neither here nor there. I've also not acted like I was "saving the world derp derp derp" All I've been doing is exactly what I've stated I've been doing, pointing out the flaws in crappy writing.

Third: So, the whole "MIND CRUSH" thing he used to be able to do, where'd that go?

Fourth: Uh huh. With the exception of 4th edition, the influences are still fairly blatant and the only reason they're no longer there is because a certain company chose to change who they were marketing themselves toward. Bully for them though, as I believe their nifty strategy worked.

That's "lets just drop IT" for one, and you're the one who went all thread necromancer and dredged up something that was weeks dead. Oh, and way to address any of those points I made. You're almost up there with TerraMGP (Or whatever those last few letters were) for "Dumbest poster I've seen here" which is impressive.

Actually I took those weeks to do things besides spew venom all over the internet. Also if you will refer back to some of my previous posts you will note where I said I could not and would not respond to any of your points until you gave me specific supports which I could respond to.

Um what Mind Crush >.>

Seriously I don't think Dominic has ever screwed with someone's mind to the point where it could be called a 'MIND CRUSH'. Then again my memory being what it is some days I would have to hazard a guess that such a thing would be reserved for people who deserved it. I mean what do you want? For him to mind crush the plot?

Anyways before you accuse someone of being the dumbest poster ever I suggest you go back through your own writing and see how arrogant you've been.

Same here, but I figured you had either forgotten about this or were actually attempting to put together a response of some kind. Like I said, I expected far too much.

I gave specific examples. You just seem to not read. Hell, I'll toss you a bone though. The "mind crush" as I put it was used on the spiky headed demon lord. You know, that crazy purple dude that gave the infernomancer his gauntlets. That guy. Remember, Gay dudes mind, the aftermath? Major plot line? Any of this ringing a bell? As for "crush the plot" Competent writers manage to come up with stories for Superman: man of stupidly powerful abilities. Were Terracino any kind of writer he would be able to do the same for the dork wonder and his cast of cronies. Considering he has full control over where each character/plot goes, this task is made easier and yet he still can't do it.

What I want is him to keep a somewhat consistent power level. He's crushing demon lords minds, then he's beating back the storm of souls, then he's a cripple who apparently doesn't use his powers ever...For some reason. This is what I'm talking about. Sure, it's power creep, and that's a bit of a problem in and of itself, but a little cohesiveness would be nice.

Oh, and proving your idiocy again, arrogance has nothing to do with intelligence or the accuracy of the statements being made. If you bothered to make a point here and there I would be more than glad to "speak" in a civil "tone". Since this isn't the case, I treat you like the water-head you are.

Tempdude0:
Same here, but I figured you had either forgotten about this or were actually attempting to put together a response of some kind. Like I said, I expected far too much.

I can't respond without details and since you're the one that started this I don't feel I should have to do the legwork to back up your arguments. However you've finally provided me with material to work with so I'll get started. ^_^

Tempdude0:
I gave specific examples. You just seem to not read. Hell, I'll toss you a bone though. The "mind crush" as I put it was used on the spiky headed demon lord. You know, that crazy purple dude that gave the infernomancer his gauntlets. That guy. Remember, Gay dudes mind, the aftermath? Major plot line? Any of this ringing a bell?

Yes, yes it does. Though I think that hardly qualifies as a 'Mind Crush' and if you would have read one comic further you would have seen why Dominic 1. doesn't do that very often even if he can and 2. can't do that when he's in a distressed mental state.

This is Dominic banishing the Demon lord

And this is why he doesn't do that much

Because it can cause some VERY bad things to happen to him and because his power is dependent on the strength of his mind at a given time. So if Dominic is shaken up and worn out then his power level diminishes and if he is sure of himself and mentally strong then his level of power is high.

Tempdude0:
As for "crush the plot" Competent writers manage to come up with stories for Superman: man of stupidly powerful abilities. Were Terracino any kind of writer he would be able to do the same for the dork wonder and his cast of cronies. Considering he has full control over where each character/plot goes, this task is made easier and yet he still can't do it.

I don't own any comic books so I can't count up the number of equivalent number of strips in a comic book vs the number of strips that make up Dominic Deegan to date but if I were to hazard a guess I would say that an average Comic book has the equivalent of 3-4 strips per page and has ~100 pages. So that's between three and four hundred strips. So far I think we are up to about 1800 which means we have had only the equivalent of between 4.5 and 6 comic books (probably around 5) worth of Dominic Deegan. For about 5 comic books I would say that the plot has a suitable amount of depth, breadth, and detail but then again I haven't read many Comic Books so I can't really make a direct comparison.

Tempdude0:
What I want is him to keep a somewhat consistent power level. He's crushing demon lords minds, then he's beating back the storm of souls, then he's a cripple who apparently doesn't use his powers ever...For some reason. This is what I'm talking about. Sure, it's power creep, and that's a bit of a problem in and of itself, but a little cohesiveness would be nice.

Seems fairly cohesive to me. Even Superman needs a rest once in a while and superheros have gone completely off the grid before after someone they care about dies or is injured and they were involved. Why should Dominic be any different?

Tempdude0:
Oh, and proving your idiocy again, arrogance has nothing to do with intelligence or the accuracy of the statements being made. If you bothered to make a point here and there I would be more than glad to "speak" in a civil "tone". Since this isn't the case, I treat you like the water-head you are.

My apologies for assuming you were using dumb in the colloquial sense which generally does not refer to a persons level of intelligence but more to someone's manner or general behavior. (For example if Einstein pulled down his pants and wore a lamp shade we would call him and idiot. This does not refer to his intelligence but rather the wisdom of his choice of actions.)

My main point for the last several posts has been that you have failed to provide concrete examples like what you provided in your above post (as opposed to "that time when the *insert term you use to refer to an event and I do not* happened"). If you have a problem with this post then I suggest we simply terminate this discussion now.

So you're lazy. Nice.

Yes, the very bad thing of seeing into someones mind. Truly this is horrible. The only reason it went all bad road for him is because he was looking into the mind of a demon lord. Anyone else should be a walk in the park, hell, not even. Anyone else would be an afternoon nap comparatively. So, where exactly is the danger considering the Deegan-verse is filled with copious amounts of stupid people? He's supposed to be a genius, so even at his weakest he'd be able to go all Yu-gi-oh on their ass.

An average comic has anywhere from one to nine or so panels on a page and a book has about thirty two pages. Your math is bad and you should feel bad. Going by accurate measuring skills of someone who actually decided to take a look at what they were approximating, Dorkin is up to about fourteen/fifteen comics. That's over a years worth of comics in the professional world, so no, there isn't a "suitable amount of depth, breadth, and detail" Also, for those things to happen the writing needs to be above that of someone on fanfiction.net.

Because they don't go off the grid, and no, Superman doesn't really rest. As for injuries, most bounce back almost immediately because there's a pressing need for them. Snout-boy knows about danger and yet is wanking off in the middle of some hippie commune, so it can't even be said he's ignorant of what's on it's way. All in all he looks both pathetic and lazy.

Dumb:
lacking intelligence : stupid : showing a lack of intelligence

I was using it what now? What was that? I don't think your statement can quite overpower the amazingly loud cries of Webster calling you stupid. Christ, you can't get anything right, can you?

I gave you concrete examples, you just chose to ignore them initially and further avoid them by being a lazy ass. As for terminating the discussion, no, I don't think I'll be doing that. I have far to much fun with these comments. It's like going to devaintart and taking a look at all the "ORIGINAL CHARACTERS DON'T STEAL" You people try so much and yet still fail so hard. It's adorable.

Great review. Yahtzee and CAD are the best of friends are they!!

Tempdude0:
So you're lazy. Nice.

Not as lazy as you. ^.^ I just don't feel like digging through 1500+ comic pages looking for what you termed a 'Mind Break'. If not wanting to waste a large chunk of my free time on an internet argument with someone who has gone from arrogant to condescending is lazy then by all means call be lazy.

Tempdude0:
Yes, the very bad thing of seeing into someones mind. Truly this is horrible. The only reason it went all bad road for him is because he was looking into the mind of a demon lord. Anyone else should be a walk in the park, hell, not even. Anyone else would be an afternoon nap comparatively. So, where exactly is the danger considering the Deegan-verse is filled with copious amounts of stupid people? He's supposed to be a genius, so even at his weakest he'd be able to go all Yu-gi-oh on their ass.

Nope. I'm sorry sir you are either completely unfamiliar with the Fantasy or possibly just the language used there-in but to quote the comic itself: "Opening your mind on a Psychoplane is dangerous."

In this case a Psychoplane is the inside of anyone's mind (and for all I know a few places outside of people's minds but lets not go there) which means he faces the same risks when he goes all 'Mind Break' on anyone.

Tempdude0:
An average comic has anywhere from one to nine or so panels on a page and a book has about thirty two pages. Your math is bad and you should feel bad. Going by accurate measuring skills of someone who actually decided to take a look at what they were approximating, Dorkin is up to about fourteen/fifteen comics. That's over a years worth of comics in the professional world, so no, there isn't a "suitable amount of depth, breadth, and detail" Also, for those things to happen the writing needs to be above that of someone on fanfiction.net.

I did say I hadn't read many comics didn't I? Yes, yes I did. I'm so sorry I got it so horribly wrong and offended your delicate sensibilities. I also wish to point out that the people who make those comics are paid for their efforts and that it is a multi-person effort. You have people who draw the pencil sketches and people who ink those sketches in addition to writers and more than a few support staff. As far as I know Mookie has a girl-friend and that's it.

Tempdude0:
Because they don't go off the grid, and no, Superman doesn't really rest. As for injuries, most bounce back almost immediately because there's a pressing need for them. Snout-boy knows about danger and yet is wanking off in the middle of some hippie commune, so it can't even be said he's ignorant of what's on it's way. All in all he looks both pathetic and lazy.

Then why do I keep hearing 'I just found out' when super-hero's show up to the fight at the 11nth hour? As for injuries: These are people with super-powers. It may not be obvious but Dominic Deegan is not Wolverine. >.>

Tempdude0:
Dumb:
lacking intelligence : stupid : showing a lack of intelligence

Where did you even get this definition? (not saying it's wrong just that I couldn't find it in a quick Google search) Anyways...

Intelligence is an umbrella term used to describe a property of the mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn.

Given these two definitions I don't think that I am any dumber than you are. ( ',' that's a comma, use it) Also, I really don't see how this factors into this debate. As long as we are both able to make well formulated arguments then I would say we are both intelligent enough to partake in this discussion.

Tempdude0:
I was using it what now? What was that? I don't think your statement can quite overpower the amazingly loud cries of Webster calling you stupid. Christ, you can't get anything right, can you?

Fun fact: It was Dictionary Day the other day. Also: Ability to comprehend ideas failboat.

Tempdude0:
I gave you concrete examples, you just chose to ignore them initially and further avoid them by being a lazy ass. As for terminating the discussion, no, I don't think I'll be doing that. I have far to much fun with these comments. It's like going to devaintart and taking a look at all the "ORIGINAL CHARACTERS DON'T STEAL" You people try so much and yet still fail so hard. It's adorable.

I'm not sure if you were implying this or not but I may as well point out that I have never posted anything on Deviant Art. If you gave concrete examples (like you did in your previous post) then I'm sorry if I missed them (and am still missing them) so could you please point them out?

P.S. Don't be a jackass.

Hey, he has archives. It's not that hard to look it up. You wanted an example, I gave it. I'm not grabbing it and serving it on a silver plate for you.

Yes, but it's based on intelligence/mental stability. Since Dominic is both one of the most intelligent people around and the biggest arrogant douche-bag in all the land, he should just use it every time. You know, what with everyone else being an idiot as well.

Damn, that google thing is hard to use. God forbid you type a sentence into ANY search engine. Also, there are plenty put out in black and white and done by a single person. Since dip shit makes a living off his comic, I get to compare him to those people. In comparison, he is lacking in art, pacing, and general writing. In comparison to people who DON'T make a living off their work, he's lacking in art, pacing, and general writing as well, but that's just me picking on the poor simpleton. We-fucking-ha.

Websters. You know, the DICTIONARY? That thing with words and definitions? What, do you use dictionary.com or some shit? Lord save me from people who botch even the easy route. As for the ":" used, it's for the break in different definitions you 'tard. HAVE YOU EVEN USED A DICTIONARY BEFORE? God damn you're stupid. Don't try to sound intelligent when you know jack shite about what you're saying. Good thing I didn't include the phonetic spelling, or you'd be correcting that as well. As for those two definitions, yes, you are. You lack the ability to put forth cohesive arguments. You lack understanding of words and their usage. You can't even use language appropriately. You've fucked up on half the list, so yes, I'd say you're quite a bit lower on the intellectual totem pole than I am.

Websters IS the dictionary, you, massive, idiot. Miriam Webster, the definitive and comprehensive dictionary when relating to the English language...And, were I you, I would avoid attempting to call out people on lack of comprehension when 1) They're in the right, and 2) You've yet to comprehend half of what's been typed.

...I was implying that people on Deviantart have juvenile reactions to criticism whether it be constructive or harsh. They tend to ignore any bit of reason or evidence presented before them and blindly charge on, so sure they're in the right. See, this is where you keep on failing at reading comprehension. You read it through once, skip the majority of what's written, pick up on a single word or phrase, and then talk out your ass.

P.S. I'll stop being an ass when you stop being such a obtuse moron.

Tempdude0:
Hey, he has archives. It's not that hard to look it up. You wanted an example, I gave it. I'm not grabbing it and serving it on a silver plate for you.

Then you are an idiot. When you are citing a source you don't just go 'that one over there that looks like a thing'. You tell the other person where to find what you are referencing and point them directly to it. Have you ever actually written an essay before? As in one where you had to cite sources?

Tempdude0:
Yes, but it's based on intelligence/mental stability. Since Dominic is both one of the most intelligent people around and the biggest arrogant douche-bag in all the land, he should just use it every time. You know, what with everyone else being an idiot as well.

How do I put this... NO. What is meant by 'Opening your mind on a psychoplane is dangerous' is that it doesn't matter who's psychoplane or how much stronger you are than them because you can still fuck yourself up.

I wish to add that I am very glad you don't have any sort of supernatural ability because from the sound of it you would be the sort of person that superman needs to go beat the shit out of.

Tempdude0:
Damn, that google thing is hard to use. God forbid you type a sentence into ANY search engine.

No idea what you are talking about here. This is where use of the quote tags comes in handy.

Tempdude0:
Also, there are plenty put out in black and white and done by a single person.

Name them and cite your sources.

Tempdude0:
Since dip shit makes a living off his comic, I get to compare him to those people.

According to whom? Mookie is doing something completely different from what they do and if you don't like it (I think I've said this about half a dozen times already) then you are not obligated to read it or any other webcomic that you do not like.

Tempdude0:
In comparison, he is lacking in art, pacing, and general writing. In comparison to people who DON'T make a living off their work, he's lacking in art, pacing, and general writing as well, but that's just me picking on the poor simpleton. We-fucking-ha.

Which is funny because your thought process lacks in sense, clarity, and general cohesion. Again name some comics that you like which fit the above criteria.

Tempdude0:
Websters. You know, the DICTIONARY? That thing with words and definitions? What, do you use dictionary.com or some shit? Lord save me from people who botch even the easy route.

At this point I'm in college so I don't actually have a physical dictionary. Go figure. Plus it's very hard to cite a physical book in an online argument since I can't really assume that you have the same book I do.

Tempdude0:
As for the ":" used, it's for the break in different definitions you 'tard.

You used a semi-colon in two different ways in the same 'sentence' which could be mistaken for each other which is a poor move stylistically (and I just know you are going to say this but I did not infact mistake your usage of the semi-colons I was simply correcting your poor use of them)

Tempdude0:
HAVE YOU EVEN USED A DICTIONARY BEFORE? God damn you're stupid.

God damn is an exclamation and should therefore have a comma after it, and yes I have used a dictionary before.

Tempdude0:
Don't try to sound intelligent when you know jack shite about what you're saying.

Learn to spell. Also what are you talking about since there isn't really anything you have presented before this that the main idea of this sentence could latch onto (the idea being "what you're saying"). Please clarify.

Tempdude0:
Good thing I didn't include the phonetic spelling, or you'd be correcting that as well.

Only if you were grammatically incorrect or ambiguous in your presentation of it.

Tempdude0:
As for those two definitions, yes, you are. You lack the ability to put forth cohesive arguments. You lack understanding of words and their usage. You can't even use language appropriately. You've fucked up on half the list, so yes, I'd say you're quite a bit lower on the intellectual totem pole than I am.

Actually I've been using language quite effectively and I doubt you can cite specific examples of where I have done otherwise. As for cohesive arguments you are the one who can't even include a simple citation in the form of a link. It's not like I'm asking for an APA style bibliography here.

Tempdude0:
Websters IS the dictionary, you, massive, idiot.

No it is a dictionary. Also you use to many commas. (yes I know what you are doing with them but it only makes you more annoying and look dumb)

Tempdude0:
Miriam Webster, the definitive and comprehensive dictionary when relating to the English language...And, were I you, I would avoid attempting to call out people on lack of comprehension when 1) They're in the right, and 2) You've yet to comprehend half of what's been typed.

Half incoherent paragraphs which don't bother to cite back to what they are referring to are generally hard to comprehend. While Miriam Webster may have penned the first American dictionary but the Oxford English Dictionary is the keeper of the English language.

Tempdude0:
...I was implying that people on Deviantart have juvenile reactions to criticism whether it be constructive or harsh. They tend to ignore any bit of reason or evidence presented before them and blindly charge on, so sure they're in the right.

If it's you providing the criticism and you provide it in the same manner in which you have been relating to me then I can understand why they would be defensive or hostile.

Tempdude0:
See, this is where you keep on failing at reading comprehension. You read it through once, skip the majority of what's written, pick up on a single word or phrase, and then talk out your ass.

Noooo... I just don't consider saying bunch of stuff and then indicating that the support is over somewhere among a whole lot of similar information to be supporting your side of the argument and I certainly don't see a reason to support it for you. Lets take a page out of reality here. If you tried this in a scholarly paper you would never get it published with arguments this poorly supported.

Tempdude0:
P.S. I'll stop being an ass when you stop being such a obtuse moron.

I can't promise anything on the obtuse bit but I know I'm not a moron.

Oh for the love of god, this is still going on? Move on, people!

To Babyblues, but I'm enjoying myself. It soaks a few minutes of time and provides entertainment, so I see no reason to stop anytime soon.

To Epic Fail up there:

Yeah, and even when going by MLA format you don't reference the exact paragraph. You reference the work as a whole unless quoting. Since he has an easy to look through archive and I pointed you in the direction you do the legwork from there. You know, just like anyone who checks sources has to do. You're not very good at making points.

Uh-huh. You must have neglected to read the arc where he mentioned it. It's dangerous, yes, but your defense is based on how strong/intelligent you are. It's like you're not even trying to refute my points or make any of your own. As for Superman, you could have at least gone with someone who was less likely to give a strong talking to than a beat down.

I was referencing the number of pages in a comic and your lack of knowledge concerning them. Because, oh Christ, you can't look ANYTHING up can you?

Answering in order, Bone, and up yours.

According to the fact he's making a living off of his work. He likes to pretend he's a professional so I hold him to the same standards. Any other stupid questions?

What, good art, pacing, and general writing? Fine, Watchmen and Sandman. As for my thought processes, all that would be true if not for, oh, you know, my writing being as blunt as a brick to the face. The sense, clarity, and cohesion shine right through because we all know subtlety is lost on you and as such, I abandoned any attempt at it ages ago.

Webster.com.....I swear, how is it you manage to be so dim and yet are still able to operate a keyboard? The Miriam Webster dictionary is all right online for all your viewing pleasure, so that argument is moot.

I copied, literally, the passage from the dictionary. Good old fashioned ctrl+c and ctrl+v. So, now you're citing the dictionary as being incorrect. Well, what would they know, they've only been doing their job for longer than you've been around. Surely they are at fault here!

Yes, it would...were it used as an exclamation and not said in an exasperated tone. Then it's merely another part of the phrase. You're really failing at this whole "critiquing my writing" thing.

Shite is an acceptable variation of shit you ass, and as for "what you're saying" RTFP! That'd be "read the fucking post" I was commenting on the fact that you were attempting to correct the GOD DAMNED DICTIONARY! That makes you wrong. Provably wrong no less, and brands you as an idiot. You even tossed in information about intelligence as if it were refuting what I was saying. It only further clarified my statements for all the little kids that need helmets when they go outside....That'd be you, incidentally.

Yes, because quoting the dictionary itself is grammatically incorrect or ambiguous, as is calling someone dumb, because, you know, that can TOTALLY be interpreted in a wide variety of ways.

You couldn't comprehend my usage of the word "dumb" a one fucking syllable word and proceeded to argue with the ACTUAL DEFINITION. That right there points out your lack of prowess concerning the language. As for the link, fuck you, do the leg work. I gave the story arc, you find it yourself.

Riiiiiiight. It hasn't at all been the comprehensive dictionary for many a decade. The Oxford version still sees PLENTY of use, seriously. Like, all the time. As for my usage of commas, I'd use less but since you're failing at taking in a whole statement at a time I figured I'd do you a favor and break it down into manageable, bite sized nuggets of information.

Yes, because it's sooooooo hard to read down a list. Oh, I fear I may faint from the mental strain of reading an itemized list in order and with appropriate breaks. As for the Oxford dictionary...Heh....heheh.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh Christ, you're probably serious, aren't you? HA!

Yeah, because no one likes to be proven wrong. Regardless of my phrasing and word choice, the statements made still hold the same amount of weight were I to write all happy and polite. Long story short, quit being a bitch and respond to the actual criticisms leveled and worry about how much of a meanie I am later.

Sure I would. Once again, I cited the source and story arc. This is tantamount to a book/chapter which is quite enough for a citeable source. So, uh, neener neener?

...You realize obtuse means....You know what, sure, I'll go with what you said. We can both agree on your being obtuse, especially with that last comment.

TEMPDUDE0 SAID: Look at me! I'm on the internet! And I win! You lose! You are a loser! Look how much you suck! I am arguing so much better than you! I laugh at you! Hahaha! This thread will never die! I am right! You are wrong! Haha!

I love how this thread is so long and ongoing that it ends up in The Escapist front page article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_174/5429-Private-Buffoons

The fact that the article is called Private Buffoons is humorously appropo.

The other guy seems to be in the same boat as myself, but I suppose I get it because I'm choosing to be slightly less eloquent with my insulting phrases. That's neither here nor there though. I also assume there's a point in there somewhere but I seem to be missing it. As I've repeatedly stated, I do this as a five to ten minute distraction from other things going on. Nothing relaxes me like spewing vitriol all over the place, especially when dealing with people like numb nuts up there who insist on typing statements like this in relation to a direct quote from the dictionary:

"You used a semi-colon in two different ways in the same 'sentence' which could be mistaken for each other which is a poor move stylistically (and I just know you are going to say this but I did not infact mistake your usage of the semi-colons I was simply correcting your poor use of them)"

Because yes, the dictionary is apparently written incorrectly...somehow. Funny thing is, I'd be willing to discuss this in a nicer way, which is just as relaxing, if my good buddy would attempt to actually refute anything stated earlier. He has, to wit, made every effort to side step what was asked and went off on rants only tangentially related to the question/point. Seeing as I'm such a good sport and all, I figured I'd do the same thing but with infinitely less respect. Since that's the first time you've posted in relation to this argument, I'll do you a solid and respond with courtesy.

As you can see, and would have seen had you read my previous posts, that I'm essentially dicking around with all the insults. They're in almost direct proportion to my respect for the person with whom I'm debating. Due to this one ever so important fact, which I previously stated mind you, I really would attempt to avoid re-hashing what I've already said I'm doing and using as some kind of proof that I'm in the wrong.

So, feel free to keep this discussion going by joining on in. A few more posts per week would be welcomed.

I don't even know why Penny Arcade is popular. That thing's not funny.
I've only seen a bit of CAD but didn't find anything funny there either.

the irony in this is that yahtzee has a web comic or 20 but "yahtzee takes on the world" is actually quite good and worth a read if only for the shameless bombing of the fourth wall.

Quote Thingy: CAD > Penny Arcade: End Quote

Indeed, I'd rather have Sky Diving and Xbox Robots than Ping Pong random side storyline... thing.

Your ripping of Crtl+Alt+Del was well justified. I even went to read a few to make sure you weren't being a dick, and it is GOD AWFUL!

Even though the miscarriage thing in CAD was overdramatic, it was necessary as soon as the damn baby scenario was created, cause CAD would lose ALL their readers if it didn't happen and the baby was born. I liked it in the parts where it only was about video gaming itself and trying to break into gaming companies to get an early copy of a game (maybe next time they can break into Ubisoft to steal PoP or the next Assassin's Creed) and make love to it in front of all fanboys who want it so bad they'd sell their mom, or even worse, their copy of FFVII. But I like CAD, cause it still holds on the old sense of humour as good as it can, like holding a slippery soap and dropping it several times, and they still got some good puns, they just need to think before they impregnate someone. I hope it will stay for a long time, and that they will make fun of the next generation of games I care about (not WoW though, cause I hate it, no offense to Blizzard, they still make good games like...Ummm...).

just to be really random, whats the song in the beginning? XD

Centerfold, by J. Geils Band

Didn't check to see myself but most of the time he credits each song during the well... credits.

I write and draw a comic my own self.

http://www.dipswitchcomics.com/67

Actually, sometimes I'm funny, sometimes the jokes I try fail. But, using this rant of Yahtzee's as a template, I honestly try to avoid being internet pollution. Also, I'm trying to get better at both the art and writing since I do both myself.

I have to say, this is probably the most watched episode around my workspace. If I think I'm falling into the formulaic pap of the rest of the webcomics out there, I will scrap something. Sometimes, it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.

But, I thank Yahtzee for being a prick about this, because he keeps the rest of us out there honest in terms of humor.

Thanks, man.

Alienmastermind (Artist/Writer, Dipswitch Comics)

I have only seen a few web game-comics, but so far I find vgcats.com the most entertaining.

I had never heard about "CAD" before this review, which I guess is a good thing...

I don't read webcomics, and when I saw the thing about the miscarriage I thought Yahtzee was talking about a hypothetical crazy scenario. I didn't think he was referencing an actual comic! Now of course my curiosity is peaked, but I don't think I should be reading webcomics while pretending to work (as I casually browse around THIS site instead..)

Wow. I forgot about this video. Looks like the drama hasn't died down either.

Keep up the great work Yahtzee.

You know what? This drama regarding Dominic reminds me of John Solomon's blog.
The resemblance is uncanny, actually. Has the drama migrated?

http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/dominic-deegan.html (Dominic Deegan)

http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/ctrlaltdel.html (CAD)

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