Zero Punctuation: Webcomics

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Inriri:
Great vid. I stopped reading CAD a while ago, but it is a rule that if you remove all the text and splice the comic with other comics you can get something funny out of it.

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(yes, I suck at photoshop)

Amazing, I never thought I would laugh at a CAD-ish webcomic! You are a genius dude!

shMerker:
If you think that webcomics just suck (I know most of them do, most of the web sucks, but that hasn't turned you off to the internet now has it?) then you probably aren't aware of the sheer vatriety of what's out there.

*caugh* http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/features/goodcomics.htm <- Yahtzees site *caugh*

spoonytrain:

I like Penny-Arcade much better.

Don't we all?

McChiken:

spoonytrain:

I like Penny-Arcade much better.

Don't we all?

No, we don't.

This whole thing is almost territorial. On the CAD forums they're all defending the comic, on here we're all giving Yahtzee virtual pats on the back, but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

David_Cat:

McChiken:

spoonytrain:

I like Penny-Arcade much better.

Don't we all?

No, we don't.

Let me rephrase that penny arcade fans LIKE PENNY ARCADE.

Vanguard_Ex:
This whole thing is almost territorial. On the CAD forums they're all defending the comic, on here we're all giving Yahtzee virtual pats on the back, but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Really? Did you read all the posts?

Vanguard_Ex:
This whole thing is almost territorial. On the CAD forums they're all defending the comic, on here we're all giving Yahtzee virtual pats on the back, but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Hello.

Ah yes, good old CAD. Tim Fuckley may as well be doing a sprite strip;
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7826/facesofcadcr6.png
(the official emoticon for CAD characters is B^U by the way)

And lets see what happened when he tried to draw perspective in one panel; http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080623

Oh dear.

I don't understand how anyone can say Buckley is mature. Whenever he receives criticism he just plugs his fingers in his ears and goes lalalalala and bans you. Ethan in his comic is just what he wishes life could actually be like in a way. He imagines himself as the savior of gaming and a hero. If you don't believe it, check it the wintereenmas tangants, they're totally ego trips.

I found that most of his comics about games are actually the least funny and those pertaining to plot other than video games are the most. He just wishes he were as successful as Penny Arcade but could never verbaly say so. He doesn't acknowledge attacks on him simply because ignoring them is the best way to get rid of them. For instance he never mentioned: http://vgcats.com/cadaprilfools/

Penny Arcade fans probably don't care about this movie, even if it attacked their favorite comic ruthlessly because they know that they enjoy the comic, and yahtzee or any other fanboy isn't going to make them cry. It is analogous to a previous yahtzee video (mail call) where people defended the dreamcast because if they didn't then they would be wrong. I personally loved Penny Arcade and wouldn't miss a strip. Granted sometimes I don't get the comic because I haven't played the game in question but the majority of the time I get it and it's always hilarious.

When reading CAD I just simply stopped because I realized I wasn't laughing when I read them and the only thing that kept me reading them was habit with nothing to do on the interweb.

Naturally Concerned is also brilliant.

McChiken:

David_Cat:

McChiken:

spoonytrain:

I like Penny-Arcade much better.

Don't we all?

No, we don't.

Let me rephrase that penny arcade fans LIKE PENNY ARCADE.

Well obviously, they wouldn't be called fans if they didn't.

spoonytrain:

Vanguard_Ex:
This whole thing is almost territorial. On the CAD forums they're all defending the comic, on here we're all giving Yahtzee virtual pats on the back, but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Really? Did you read all the posts?

Yeah, there was only like 4 or 5

David_Cat:

Vanguard_Ex:
This whole thing is almost territorial. On the CAD forums they're all defending the comic, on here we're all giving Yahtzee virtual pats on the back, but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Hello.

Hi

David_Cat:
I doubt it. Tim is too mature

I'd have to thoroughly disagree with ya. I enjoy the CAD comics, but I think Tim is seriously immature. His entire news rant when he posted the miscarriage story is a good case in point. His comic is sorta funny at times and is something to do for 30secs when completely bored, but he has a lot of growing up to do.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/news.php?i=1636

Mythbhavd:

David_Cat:
I doubt it. Tim is too mature

I'd have to thoroughly disagree with ya. I enjoy the CAD comics, but I think Tim is seriously immature. His entire news rant when he posted the miscarriage story is a good case in point. His comic is sorta funny at times and is something to do for 30secs when completely bored, but he has a lot of growing up to do.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/news.php?i=1636

That seems more like him trying to stop people ranting.

Anaphyis:

Thaius:
I don't know what to say about the fact that so many people here hate CAD: that all comes down to personal opinion, I suppose. But consider this: if you really want nothing more than shallow, random humor with no creativity or meaning to be found, just keep watching Napoleon Dynamite and catch all the Spongebob reruns you can, lest you get sick from overexposure to intelligence.

It is one thing to make a serious webcomic. There are several out there and some of them are actually quite brilliant. It is however a idiots stunt to suddenly switch your shallow, random humor comic into rape-mode. Especially in the style of "Oh my fiancee had a miscarriage, probably the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And instead of visiting her I pity myself cause I now have to play Halo with my robot again instead of my baby"

Did you read it, or are you just going off what Yahtzee said? The first thing he did was visit her, then he was at home while she wanted to be at her mother's house, away from it all. THAT'S when Ethan was playing video games, but with Lucas, his friend who was trying to cheer him up: he never just retreated to the robot, leaving his fiancee alone. Try reading it if you want to bash it.

All I'm saying is that this entire video was obviously made for the sole reason of bashing CAD, when all this proves is what I said earlier: some people would rather have random humor than intelligent literature (or whatever you call the art of comics... comiciture... I don't know).

Vanguard_Ex:
but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Except the handful who already have, right?

And seriously, Yahtzee's a bit of an elitist. We all know this. When he targeted JRPGs. I like 'em, sure, but I can certainly see his points against them. He may do it in a bitchy way, but he does try to explain why his reasons for disliking something are valid. And, as he said in the mailbag special, if you personally like something, a critic attacking it really shouldn't get to you.

My two cents.

This outlines every reason I only read one gaming webcomic, and that is Order of the Stick. While OOTS may not be the most well drawn webcomic those characters are amazingly expressive creatures, which most web comics fail at, out right, even if they have better art.

Well I got a few good chuckles from it but the jokes kinda just wrote themselves.

I was expecting the whole episode, especially during the drama segment, for Yahtzee to bring up the fact that B^uckley e-mailed his dick to a 14 year old girl, it would have really drove the final nail in the coffin and leaving an open coffin is not something Yahtzee is known for.

Now I'm just being overly critical. I watch too much of that guy.

LadyZephyr:

Vanguard_Ex:
but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Except the handful who already have, right?

And seriously, Yahtzee's a bit of an elitist. We all know this. When he targeted JRPGs. I like 'em, sure, but I can certainly see his points against them. He may do it in a bitchy way, but he does try to explain why his reasons for disliking something are valid. And, as he said in the mailbag special, if you personally like something, a critic attacking it really shouldn't get to you.

My two cents.

And the point of that rant directed at me was...?

David_Cat:

McChiken:

David_Cat:

McChiken:

spoonytrain:

I like Penny-Arcade much better.

Don't we all?

No, we don't.

Let me rephrase that penny arcade fans LIKE PENNY ARCADE.

Well obviously, they wouldn't be called fans if they didn't.

Touche.

SaneIntolerant:

David_Cat:

Esure:

David_Cat:

Hypersapien:
I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

will866:

I was expecting the whole episode, especially during the drama segment, for Yahtzee to bring up the fact that B^uckley e-mailed his dick to a 14 year old girl, it would have really drove the final nail in the coffin and leaving an open coffin is not something Yahtzee is known for.

Do you have any evidence Tim did that?

Ah, CAD deserved to get ripped. It was never funny (look at the "Alone in the Dark" comic he just did if you don't believe that) and then he copped out of a storyline that would possibly make him have to draw new character models to cut and paste in the worst, most awkward, most soap opera-y way imaginable.

But hey don't fret, I think I might have caught a whiff of Megatokyo in there too!

Animated Pot. Still Life Kettle. Black.

I know he knows. Still.

Well I have to say 'meh'. This was, without exception, the most self-indulgently dull ZP yet. I normally love it when Yahtzee rips on a game - if only because the publisher deserves it for asking for money for the crap they have put out. This week though? Yes, we all know he doesn't like CAD. Big deal. Stop flogging this dead horse. If this episode were a game it would be Turning Point - Fall of Liberty, ill-conceived, poorly executed and liable to cause haemorrhaging from your brain trying to escape from the tortuousness of it all.

Please Yahtzee do us all a favour and take a holiday or something, come back with the bile refilled and point it at a worthy target because this was the ZP equivalent of a CAD strip. Nietzche was right, the abyss gazes into you and that's not a pretty sight.

MpSai:
Ah, CAD deserved to get ripped. It was never funny (look at the "Alone in the Dark" comic he just did if you don't believe that) and then he copped out of a storyline that would possibly make him have to draw new character models to cut and paste in the worst, most awkward, most soap opera-y way imaginable.

But hey don't fret, I think I might have caught a whiff of Megatokyo in there too!

The Alone in the Dark comic was a shit cop-out, but the rest of CAD is funny.

It also helps to be completely and utterly misogynistic.

The Sound Defense:

SaneIntolerant:

David_Cat:

Esure:

David_Cat:

Hypersapien:
I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

Vanguard_Ex:

The Sound Defense:

SaneIntolerant:

David_Cat:

Esure:

David_Cat:

Hypersapien:
I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

Vanguard_Ex:

LadyZephyr:

Vanguard_Ex:
but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Except the handful who already have, right?

And seriously, Yahtzee's a bit of an elitist. We all know this. When he targeted JRPGs. I like 'em, sure, but I can certainly see his points against them. He may do it in a bitchy way, but he does try to explain why his reasons for disliking something are valid. And, as he said in the mailbag special, if you personally like something, a critic attacking it really shouldn't get to you.

My two cents.

And the point of that rant directed at me was...?

Ack, sorry, boyo, I was making two separate points. The second part wasn't for you.

shMerker:
shortpacked.com - Shortpacked, the tales of a dysfunctional toy store. This one's interesting because it touches on another kind of geekery altogether and because it sort of deconstructs the whole "drama in a comedy strip" conflict.

Mostly because Willis' previous works have done the comedy->drama thing too, only they've actually done it right. It's basically the author making fun of himself and how angsty and complicated his last work (It's Walky!) had gotten by the end.

And while he was obviously mostly bashing CAD, there are a horde of gaming comics out there that follow the exact same formula he describes. Some do it well, most don't. CAD does it wrong but somehow managed to become popular anyway, so that makes it the most visible target; were there other terrible gaming comics that had become popular anyway he would have bashed them too here.

I take it somebody doesn't like CAD, but then again, nobody should. There's clearly something wrong with me as I still read it out of morbid facination.

LadyZephyr:

Vanguard_Ex:

LadyZephyr:

Vanguard_Ex:
but none of the CAD defenders dare say anything on here for the sake of their own sanity :P

Except the handful who already have, right?

And seriously, Yahtzee's a bit of an elitist. We all know this. When he targeted JRPGs. I like 'em, sure, but I can certainly see his points against them. He may do it in a bitchy way, but he does try to explain why his reasons for disliking something are valid. And, as he said in the mailbag special, if you personally like something, a critic attacking it really shouldn't get to you.

My two cents.

And the point of that rant directed at me was...?

Ack, sorry, boyo, I was making two separate points. The second part wasn't for you.

Ah no worries. Regardless, I did see your point. Man, I've got to tone down my hostility in forums.

Thaius:

Anaphyis:

Thaius:
I don't know what to say about the fact that so many people here hate CAD: that all comes down to personal opinion, I suppose. But consider this: if you really want nothing more than shallow, random humor with no creativity or meaning to be found, just keep watching Napoleon Dynamite and catch all the Spongebob reruns you can, lest you get sick from overexposure to intelligence.

It is one thing to make a serious webcomic. There are several out there and some of them are actually quite brilliant. It is however a idiots stunt to suddenly switch your shallow, random humor comic into rape-mode. Especially in the style of "Oh my fiancee had a miscarriage, probably the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And instead of visiting her I pity myself cause I now have to play Halo with my robot again instead of my baby"

Did you read it, or are you just going off what Yahtzee said? The first thing he did was visit her, then he was at home while she wanted to be at her mother's house, away from it all. THAT'S when Ethan was playing video games, but with Lucas, his friend who was trying to cheer him up: he never just retreated to the robot, leaving his fiancee alone. Try reading it if you want to bash it.

All I'm saying is that this entire video was obviously made for the sole reason of bashing CAD, when all this proves is what I said earlier: some people would rather have random humor than intelligent literature (or whatever you call the art of comics... comiciture... I don't know).

Well, let me use the type of "deep" argumentation CAD would use: Taste is like a right arm, some people don't have it.

Some people may find my reference to disabled people a rather moving deep analogy, some people might say I'm just an arsehole going for a cheap laugh.

I personally think that I have no place in writing witty stuff. Hence I don't try to do this for a living. Some webcomic artists should do the same :-)

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