My Star Wars War

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My Star Wars War

It's not an overstatement to say that Star Wars played a major role in making Susan Arendt who she is today. It also eventually led her to commit a crime.

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I cannot help but to notice that your writings seem to contain a unusually large amount of references to your childhood. If I felt so inclined I might draw certain...Freudian conclusions.

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Tell me about your father.

Time for a stupid question:

If you buy a faked copy of a product that is out of production. Who are you stealing from and does it count as piracy?

If the original manufacturers/creators no longer make it then presumably there is nothing left in it for them to enforce copyright. They've already sold all (or most of) the units they made.

Totally agree. What Lucas did to those films is nothing short of abuse.

Were the originals to be released today, the sales would easily top those of the ridiculous 'improved' version.

Let's face it, Lucas may have been the creator, but he's still wrong on this. So dreadfully wrong.

Uh. OK then. You just keep on whining there. I'm sure Mr. Lucas is in a corner crying because you were so offended. Frankly I loved all the movies, and enjoyed even the digital remasterings. I didn't agree with the whole Greedo shot first thing, but meh, it's his film, he can do whatever he wants with it. It certainly didn't make me angry, I just thought "wow, that's a little cheesy" and went on with my enjoyment of the films. Why people cling to their childhood with such a zealotry that would make suicide bombers question their faith is beyond me.

Anyway, someone really needs to gather up a life and live it and stop writing incredibly pointless articles.

While I agree that some of the alterations are not the greatest, I still think it's better than what Spielberg did to E.T. I mean, come on; a director as talented as he should know that replacing guns with walkie-talkies is stupid and will never look right.

Your bootleg copy is also anamorphic, isn't it? The originals on the 2006 DVDs, which I did buy, are 4:3 letterboxed. Even if you aren't a huge Star Wars fan, you can still understand why that's kind of a kick in the teeth... So I downloaded the laserdisc versions.

BobIsTheBob:
...it's his film, he can do whatever he wants with it.

People like you make the world a worse place to live in.

@Author: I fully condone what you did. It is unfortunate that someone other than the copyright holder profited from the situation, but I blame that entirely on the copyright holder.

Personally, I'm holding out hope for a Blu Ray set (the masters magically turn up unharmed?) with all 6 films, including both options for the original trilogy. I would very much like to buy his movies once more (after buying the Specials on VHS when they came out) and never, ever, buy them again.

BobIsTheBob:
Uh. OK then. You just keep on whining there. I'm sure Mr. Lucas is in a corner crying because you were so offended. Frankly I loved all the movies, and enjoyed even the digital remasterings. I didn't agree with the whole Greedo shot first thing, but meh, it's his film, he can do whatever he wants with it. It certainly didn't make me angry, I just thought "wow, that's a little cheesy" and went on with my enjoyment of the films. Why people cling to their childhood with such a zealotry that would make suicide bombers question their faith is beyond me.

Anyway, someone really needs to gather up a life and live it and stop writing incredibly pointless articles.

You're complaining about someone else whining? Did you fail Irony 1101? Or wasn't that course offered at Malcontent U.?

No doubt you've grown acclimated to the miasma of your own opinion from years of living with comprehensive over-appraisal of an ostensibly nimble, though inwardly shallow intellect. Erudition without restraint or compassion is neither admirable nor sophisticated, sweetie, so why not go back to school and learn how to act like a human being?

People like you make me yearn for the good old days, when you could bust a bully in the chops and he'd get the message.

sammyfreak:
I cannot help but to notice that your writings seem to contain a unusually large amount of references to your childhood. If I felt so inclined I might draw certain...Freudian conclusions.

The ones about Star Wars and Superheroes do, yes, but my Booty Call, Psycho Poker Bitch, and Ninja Gaiden articles are fairly free from childhood references.

@Bob -- if the new versions work for you, that's great. I certainly don't think you should be denied access to them simply because I don't like them. That was my whole point all along. If Lucas wanted to put out his Special version, that's fine, just let me have the option to watch the originals if that's what I'd prefer.

BobIsTheBob:
... it's his film, he can do whatever he wants with it.

I wonder about this sometimes. What really is his? At some point, the fans of a product begin to outstrip the creator in terms of the amount of time, love and attention given to the lore. Our conception of physical property can't simply be transposed onto intellectual property. They're not the same things. Even in the context of physical property, don't you think that the natives who tend and till a land have some right to ownership of the land that they cultivate?

The difference is that ideas are what make human civilization truly amazing. The knowledge of generations past are our common birthright.

If the creator loves his work less than enthusiasts, does he really deserve to own it then? If it were the norm for any great thinker to clutch his ideas and knowledge close to his breast because of some selfish notion of ownership where would we be today? Where would we be without Newton's works? Without Einstein's musings made public, shared, discussed, enhanced by others?

This is the Information Age. It should be an age of sharing and enlightenment, why is the world dominated by selfish bickering over intellectual property and copyrights. We now have the technology and tools to share, collaborate and bring to life some of our wildest and most fantastic dreams. So let's start doing that.

i know exactly where your coming from, though i saw star wars on vhs in the early 80s. sadly i wasnt born in 77 and never saw the originals in the theater. the new star wars edits bugged the crap out of me and an older friend of mine had the lazer disk and he kindly made me a burned copy of his lazerdisks and thus i was happy.

Susan Arendt:

sammyfreak:
I cannot help but to notice that your writings seem to contain a unusually large amount of references to your childhood. If I felt so inclined I might draw certain...Freudian conclusions.

The ones about Star Wars and Superheroes do, yes, but my Booty Call, Psycho Poker Bitch, and Ninja Gaiden articles are fairly free from childhood references.

Or are they? I am never the one to let a reference to the master of the world slide.

It bothered me as well that Lucas didn't offer up the original version until it was way too late. Personally, Lucas pretty much destroyed all the love I had for Star Wars and by the time he gave me want I wanted... I didn't want it anymore. All that's left is fond memories and the hope that he'll relinquish creative control of the Star Wars universe to more talented and capable hands in the near future.

Bioware did more justice to the Star Wars universe than Lucas ever did... and that's kind of wrong on some important level, don't you think?

I don't think it's piracy if you did actually pay for the original and now need a different format. I own Pink Floyd's "The Wall" on cassette tape but no longer own a cassette player, so I downloaded it off the internet without a pang of guilt. It may seem odd to call as my example one of the most fanatical anti-piracy corporations in the world, but my right to use my Microsoft software is not tied to possession of the disk. If I bust or lose my disk, I can call and get a replacement disk without having to pay for the full copy of the software again. If I purchased a movie on VHS and can no longer play it because the technology is obsolete or the tape has worn thin, I feel I still have the license to watch that movie. This is doubly the case when the movie in question is no longer available.

I agree with this article to a degree however I don't know what it is like to be dissapointed by Star Wars as when I first I saw the remastered version I could see no difference between them and the originals. I never noticed that Han dodged a shot by standing still or the extra ring on the explosion, I didn't notice anything they added to the movie.

Maybe I'm not such a die hard fan as others but I like the remakes. The movies are still Star Wars and Star Wars still is good.

However I do not think the Lucas should twist his movies so much. When a movie is released to the public it becomes something that is beyond control by the creators, I suppose you could say that it becomes part of the public because it lives in the hearts of the people who watch it. You can't change peoples hearts.

I still always miss the fact that Greedo shoots first & dont mind the explosive ring (its what all films seem to have these days so it didnt strike me). THe added Jabba scene is unnecessary, & pretty ugly (watch Han walk over Jabbas tail) but I find it ignorable. Ultimately its just the price that has to be paid with an insecure director trying to perfect the masterpiece he'll be remembered for. (though personally, ill remember him for the monstrosity that was Revenge of the Sith)

mshcherbatskaya:
I don't think it's piracy if you did actually pay for the original and now need a different format. I own Pink Floyd's "The Wall" on cassette tape but no longer own a cassette player, so I downloaded it off the internet without a pang of guilt. It may seem odd to call as my example one of the most fanatical anti-piracy corporations in the world, but my right to use my Microsoft software is not tied to possession of the disk. If I bust or lose my disk, I can call and get a replacement disk without having to pay for the full copy of the software again. If I purchased a movie on VHS and can no longer play it because the technology is obsolete or the tape has worn thin, I feel I still have the license to watch that movie. This is doubly the case when the movie in question is no longer available.

I'm sort of half with you here. When whoever owns the rights to "The Wall" decided to do a re-release on CD, did they just record the tapes to the CDs, or did they take the masters and do a higher quality release on CDs? When they do the transfer to DVD, (depending on the movie) they often do a higher quality transfer. They actually put resources and talent into making it a higher quality of release. If I have purchased a lo-fi copy of something, and wish for a hi-fi copy of said thing, I do not consider myself entitled to it. So that's the one half.

The other half is where I disagree with the industry. If I have purchased a hi-fi copy of something, and wish for a lo-fi copy of said thing, I consider myself 110% entitled to it. To some extent, it is because all of the information in the lo-fi copy is present in the hi-fi copy, and me, on my own, minus draconian DRM restrictions on my software/hardware, could get a reasonable facsimile of the lo-fi version being sold elsewhere. The same is not true of me, the owner of the lo-fi, gaining access to the hi-fi.

Example for clarity: I own LotR on DVD (480i resolution, 5.1 sound mix). When they are released on Blu Ray, I do not consider myself entitled to the 1080p, up-to-7.1 sound mix. But, when my LotR DVDs die, I consider myself wholly entitled to go torrent new copies of the DVD versions, or, if I'm forward planning enough, to produce backups (ignoring DMCA restrictions against my doing so). If I owned a PMP, and wanted to watch LotR on those, I consider myself wholly entitled to make a copy of my DVDs, shrink and compress them to a resolution and sound-mix apppropriate to the device, without paying Apple, or the media company holding the rights, again.

Ugh, I need to practice my brevity. Wit, that I've got in spades... brevity, notsomuch.
*EDIT* Sentence out of order.

Fire Daemon:
I didn't notice anything they added to the movie.

Really? Not even that Hayden Christensen is at the end of Return of the Jedi? You could be the least observant person ever, not offense intended mind you, I'm just suprised.

Geoffrey42:

BobIsTheBob:
...it's his film, he can do whatever he wants with it.

People like you make the world a worse place to live in.

Why? Because you don't agree with him?

I don't see what the big deal is, personally. The man wanted to remake his movies, so he did, and if you don't like the changes it's not like the originals are gone forever. You can still get them. Even if it is on bitTorrent. If all else fails, you can be like me and pretend it never happened. You people make the guy out to be the devil for doing what he wanted in the first place. Just because Lucas only wanted to re-release the version he thought was superior, doesn't mean he's the spiteful jackass some of you would make him out to be. Honestly, if your favorite Fictitious Universe getting a bad RetCon is the worst thing that ever happens to you, you live a very charmed life. In my opinion, there's too many Shenanigans to get pissed off about in this universe to be getting angry about others.

That said, having Greedo shoot first was a terrible idea.

SilentHunter7:
Why? Because you don't agree with him?

I don't see what the big deal is, personally. The man wanted to remake his movies, so he did, and if you don't like the changes it's not like the originals are gone forever. You can still get them. Even if it is on bitTorrent. If all else fails, you can be like me and pretend it never happened. You people make the guy out to be the devil for doing what he wanted in the first place. Just because Lucas only wanted to re-release the version he thought was superior, doesn't mean he's the spiteful jackass some of you would make him out to be. Honestly, if your favorite Fictitious Universe getting a bad RetCon is the worst thing that ever happens to you, you live a very charmed life. In my opinion, there's too many Shenanigans to get pissed off about in this universe to be getting angry about others.

To your first question, yes. One, I disagree with his attitude, and two, I disagree with his point of view. "It's his _____, he can do whatever he wants with it." In other cases, with more important things, society sometimes deems this untrue (see: monopolies and anti-trust law). Sure, Star Wars isn't that important, but that doesn't necessarily exempt it from the part of society's current moral framework which endorses caveats to the above template statement. In the case of Star Wars, I find fault with the way that Lucas has executed this whole thing, and am much in line with the criticisms in the article.

The originals are not "gone forever", no. But, they have been ghetto-ized. I cannot go out and obtain them legally, in the format of my choosing. They can either be had black-market (Laserdisc DVD copies like the author's, or bit-torrented copies of the Laserdiscs), or, I can get the gimped 4:3 aspect ratio versions from the copies done with the re-release. Neither option appeals to me. As stated by others (including the author), we don't mind Lucas striving to perfect his work, and releasing better versions. We are angered by his schemes to prevent us from obtaining the original, the one we fell in love with, and the entire reason he has an empire at all. In my opinion, that DOES make him the spiteful jackass we claim him to be.

Also, I have plenty of "pissed off" for everything else that is wrong in this world, and plenty of "love" for everything that is right and good. Being angry at Lucas about this neither detracts from the good in the world, or prevents me from directing appropriate amounts of ire at other things. This is NOT the worst thing that has ever happened to me, and I think your implication there is logically unsound.

Geoffrey42:
We are angered by his schemes to prevent us from obtaining the original, the one we fell in love with, and the entire reason he has an empire at all. In my opinion, that DOES make him the spiteful jackass we claim him to be.

Just be thankful he's not your father...

http://www.fightlinker.com/blog/george-lucas-talks-about-his-daughters-fight-career/

...if that's George's idea of supporting his daughter's career choice ("I can't say I'm enthusiastic about it, but I support her in it. She got trounced, but she got back up and she continues to do it."), no wonder he didn't clue in on how much people (who grew up with Star Wars) love the original just as it was, flaws and all... and how badly he writes dialog.

I don't hate George, I just think he's the most imaginative, creative and greedy idiot ever. ;-)

Echolocating:

I don't hate George, I just think he's the most imaginative, creative and greedy idiot ever. ;-)

Forget imaginative, Star Wars itself is a carbon copy of Joseph Campbell's "A Hero's Journey".

Lucky would be a better word; and it's why the changes are so bad, he's trying to re-write one of the oldest stories in creation.

Just be thankful he's not your father...

Lucas, I am your father... ;)

Notice how the next CGI Star Wars is just a cash in with more pwee pwee (blasters) vwoom vwoom (lightsabers) and twee pee tuluitee (R2D2), where our favorite actor fights Count Docu... I could swear that in the third film of the prequels, him and the young Jedi exchanged words about their last duel where one lost an arm and how it would play out differently then. Well, looks like they were not talking about the duel everyone thought about.
There's also that apprentice chick. Since when that brat has shown any form of maturity besides flashy moves to ever be granted the supervision of a pupil on the battlefield?
Hello?

Geoffrey42:
To your first question, yes. One, I disagree with his attitude, and two, I disagree with his point of view. "It's his _____, he can do whatever he wants with it." In other cases, with more important things, society sometimes deems this untrue (see: monopolies and anti-trust law). Sure, Star Wars isn't that important, but that doesn't necessarily exempt it from the part of society's current moral framework which endorses caveats to the above template statement. In the case of Star Wars, I find fault with the way that Lucas has executed this whole thing, and am much in line with the criticisms in the article.

The originals are not "gone forever", no. But, they have been ghetto-ized. I cannot go out and obtain them legally, in the format of my choosing. They can either be had black-market (Laserdisc DVD copies like the author's, or bit-torrented copies of the Laserdiscs), or, I can get the gimped 4:3 aspect ratio versions from the copies done with the re-release. Neither option appeals to me. As stated by others (including the author), we don't mind Lucas striving to perfect his work, and releasing better versions. We are angered by his schemes to prevent us from obtaining the original, the one we fell in love with, and the entire reason he has an empire at all. In my opinion, that DOES make him the spiteful jackass we claim him to be.

Also, I have plenty of "pissed off" for everything else that is wrong in this world, and plenty of "love" for everything that is right and good. Being angry at Lucas about this neither detracts from the good in the world, or prevents me from directing appropriate amounts of ire at other things. This is NOT the worst thing that has ever happened to me, and I think your implication there is logically unsound.

Where I start to really disagree with your, and others' arguments is the implication that Lucas not releasing the originals in 16:9 digital format was a part of some underhanded "scheme" to ruin your childhoods. The worst I see it as is extreme misjudgment; No sane man purposely alienates his fanbase with the sole purpose of alienating his fanbase. So I cant agree with the notion that he's a spiteful jackass. However, I'd have a hard time fighting the idea of him being a greedy bastard, considering the recent raping of established canon to expand the franchise. But that's just textbook capitalism, and something I can't really begrudge him for.

SilentHunter7:
The worst I see it as is extreme misjudgment; No sane man purposely alienates his fanbase with the sole purpose of alienating his fanbase. So I cant agree with the notion that he's a spiteful jackass. However, I'd have a hard time fighting the idea of him being a greedy bastard, considering the recent raping of established canon to expand the franchise. But that's just textbook capitalism, and something I can't really begrudge him for.

Trust me, George knows what he's doing. He's purposefully making it so people have to buy the same product over and over again with something just a little better in it each time. There is no "extreme misjudgment" happening here; just "textbook capitialism."

But hey, as long as it's in the name of capitalism... *cue The Star-Spangled Banner* ...then it's okay, right? ;-)

Echolocating:

But hey, as long as it's in the name of capitalism... *cue The Star-Spangled Banner* ...then it's okay, right? ;-)

If there's still idiots who keep buying his crap, I blame them. ;)

Considering that new films are coming out, that more series are being done, and that the lightsaber effects in some of the rereremastered old films suck plain shit, you can be sure to get a new new new edition some time, with maybe a bonus edition with the Journal of Bruce Willis.

SilentHunter7:
Where I start to really disagree with your, and others' arguments is the implication that Lucas not releasing the originals in 16:9 digital format was a part of some underhanded "scheme" to ruin your childhoods. The worst I see it as is extreme misjudgment; No sane man purposely alienates his fanbase with the sole purpose of alienating his fanbase. So I cant agree with the notion that he's a spiteful jackass. However, I'd have a hard time fighting the idea of him being a greedy bastard, considering the recent raping of established canon to expand the franchise. But that's just textbook capitalism, and something I can't really begrudge him for.

What you have to understand, as an assumption of interacting with me, is that I don't believe in evil. I don't believe in people doing what they think is the wrong thing to do. (This does not qualify for Godwin's) I honestly believe that Hitler thought what he was doing was right, and true, and just, and for the betterment of the world. This does not mean I agree with it. I think Lucas is doing what he thinks is best: ridding the world of an inferior product and replacing it with something better. It just turns out that we all really like the "inferior" product, and think his attempt to fix it is heresy. THAT is what makes him a jackass to me. Not because he is an asshole in the unsubstantiated John Van Maanen sense, but because he is doing something that I simply can't empathize with.

If Da Vinci were still alive, would it be okay that he took the Mona Lisa and drew his beard on it, to emphasize that it's really his face, and not some merchant's wife? No.

I felt similarly about Star Wars. It has sparked my interest in science fiction and the arts since an early age. I really liked the special addition (the explosion didn't bother me). The only thing that really bugged me was they made Greedo shoot first and they had that stupid scene with Jaba the Hutt in the first film (or no. 4 depending on how you want to look at it). The way Han just "jumps" on the screen when he steps on Jaba's tail was so fake, and it's just plain offensive. What's next? Are they going to re-release Jedi where Luke's lightsaber is a slightly different shade of green?

The one's I find truly disgusting are the new films. They are a horrible horrible blight on an otherwise great story, and while the prequels were demanded by the audience, they could have done so much more than the bad acting, CG cluster**** that was the final product. Like Alien Resurection, I just like to pretend that these films never existed.

Geoffrey42, I'm curious if you actually mean what you say without exception when you say you "don't believe in people doing what they think is the wrong thing to do"? There are many case studies of serial killers who openly acknowledge that what they are doing is evil, but do it anyway. Jeffrey Dahmer was one such. In his confession he called himself "evil" and said "it's hard to believe a human being could have done what I've done." Yet he did it anyway because he felt like it. Isn't doing what you think is the wrong thing to do just because you feel like it the very definition of evil? (Sorry to de-rail, that was just a a broad thesis to include as a throwaway line in your argument!)

Archon:
Geoffrey42, I'm curious if you actually mean what you say without exception when you say you "don't believe in people doing what they think is the wrong thing to do"? There are many case studies of serial killers who openly acknowledge that what they are doing is evil, but do it anyway. Jeffrey Dahmer was one such. In his confession he called himself "evil" and said "it's hard to believe a human being could have done what I've done." Yet he did it anyway because he felt like it. Isn't doing what you think is the wrong thing to do just because you feel like it the very definition of evil? (Sorry to de-rail, that was just a a broad thesis to include as a throwaway line in your argument!)

I don't mind the derailing, especially if you're the one acting as the derailleur; less likely to get in trouble for it, as I see it. Also, I did not intend it as a throw-away line, simply one that I felt helped to set expectations about why I believed what I did about Lucas. Oftentimes I find that my internal ruleset differs enough from others that making some of my assumptions known helps out.

The bit you quoted, I don't believe, as it was poorly phrased. People do what they think they shouldn't do all the time. Myself included. So scratch that. Let's focus on "evil" and whether or not it exists. I'm not sure I like your definition though, so I proffer the following alternative: Evil is the motive or force behind doing the wrong thing, specifically because it is the wrong thing to do. (Even this is wishy-washy. I have a friend who does things specifically because there is a societal stigma to not do that thing; she has no real rationale for kissing her ex, but knows that society says she shouldn't, and she has a thing about giving into societal pressure. Not really evil, just really messed-up.)

Let's put it in a Yahtzee context.

"Imagine you're in your favourite restaurant and you order a big plate of sausage and mash, but as soon as you've tasted a little, the chef runs out and pours sticky honey all over it, because he wasn't happy with it.

Now you've got to contend with the lingering taste of heaven in your mouth as well as trying to finish the overglazed nonsense ahead of you. No jury would convict you of chef-a-cide in those circumstances."

I couldn't stand the rediculous "special editions". I, like you, was furious with his total disregard for the fan base that if it weren't for them, his career would have been over a long time ago. I bought the special editions because of my overwhelming love of the series but I still to this day watch my original VHS editions that my dad passed on to me.

I first saw the Original Star Wars (Favorite one) when I was attending a space camp at a local elementary school. I loved it because it had everything a hyperactive, nerdy kid like me could enjoy, spaceships, aliens, and an evil dude with a kickass red lightsaber. I then went on to go see Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi which made me fall in love with Sci-fi and Star Wars even more. I can only say that forcing fans to buy what the movies "should" have been instead of what they orinially ARE is a metephorical slap to the face. Sorry, just really thought this article touched on something that has really bothered me for a while.

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