162: Multiple Personality Disorders

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I feel NONE of this "I gotta be the alpha male so I'm gonna put down everyone and call them faggots" mentality. I consider myself WAY above that and to be included in this stereotype SICKENS me.

I don't know how many of you actually are this stereotypical "white adolescent male" but I feel like none of the comments I read (more than half the page) really touch on how I, a white adolescent male, really am in the gaming community.

I myself use many racial and homosexual slurs all the time. I can be rude or swear up a storm at an annoying n00b. But I can also be extremely nice and helpful. I'm not racist whatsoever. I don't really mind gay people. When I or ANYONE i know calls someone a "jew" or "fag" it's no different than jerk or asshole. It carries no racial or homosexual meanings with it WHATSOEVER!

As slightly touched on here, I think the MAIN reason for the online community's disgusting, hateful appearance is pure and simply it's anonymity and separation from the real world. There's no pressure to say and act the way society wants. Online I can use whatever slang and term I want to describe anything I want. To me it represents a freedom to say what I want, whether i mean it hurtful or not. All Political correctness is void and i can say midget, fag, jew, or n00b without knowing or caring who it MIGHT hurt.

The above post is just the sort of player I refuse to play with and ban from any servers I admin on.

I wouldn't necessarily link the crudity to anonymity - although it certainly helps, it's more of a perk than a cause. You'll find the same behavior in a mob. The reason behind it is mostly what's been touched on above - I feel bad about myself (or *you* make me feel bad about myself), and so I must put you beneath me. You can't yet reach across the internet and punch someone, so the most you can do is get them riled up, and angry. *The best way to do that is shock-value insults.* It's also the root of camping, tea-bagging, etc.

It's the *only* form of power the anonymous masses has over each other, and hence the one most used.

It's that simple, and 95% of the time, there's nothing more than that going on. Like the /b/tards say: As soon as you stop reacting, they'll stop acting.

now i do not trust any of you...

LOL

JK

Hmmm. This is a rather hot-button issue, isn't it? Personally, I subscribe to the "Yahtzee theory": a society in which anyone can call anyone else anything they want and just laugh it off is a truly accepting society. However, when we ostracise every singly bloody comment a person makes, we simply continue to create racial division, as people stop trusting in one another.

Take this example: let's say you're white, and you're hanging out with a Hispanic friend. The two of you are making jokes about one another's homelands, and your friend calls you "A haggis-sucking, dress-wearing bastard," to which you respond with something about equal on the "racial insensitivity chart." You both laugh your asses off, but a nearby man, who heard both your comments, gets up and chews you -only you!- out for what you said, inadvertantly using some slurs himself. When he stops, your friend agrees that the guy was being a dick, but now he's got a little niggling worm of doubt that says that maybe what YOU said was racist. So now, not only have you been condemned for something simply meant as a glib, meaningless insult, but now society itself is looking down on you for it. Furthermore, these notions of racism, sexism, and other things are hard to brush off: once you've been marked, I'm sorry to say, you're kinda fucked.

Not only that, but people label you as these things for such stupid reasons. I had a friend who called me racist because I didn't like a TV show. His reasoning: THERE WAS ONE MORE BLACK CHARACTER THAN THERE WERE WHITE CHARACTERS. Yeah, fuck'im. I just didn't enjoy the fucking show! And you know how he responded? He yelled out, in the middle of our middle school, which is filled with Hispanic kids, "Liam hates beaners!" Right then, I wanted to strangle the prick; yelling that out about the person on our campus was signing a death-warrant. I never did get beat up, but I still got pissed at him.

It seems to me that this system of judging racial injustice and insensitivity seems to leave white guys, like me, with the extremely short, pointed, "well-at-least-you-can-jab-yourself-with-it" end of the stick in daily conversation. We can't openly respond to the slurs of others without a cultural backlash, even if it's just to respond to a friend's comment. Now, there's obviously good reason for this- we've smashed just about every other culture in the world in the face- But even then, why should we descendants pay for the sins of our ancestors, when no-one except for white people have to? Why not give Egypt grief for enslaving the Jews? Why not hassle the Mongolians for their brutal conquests of hundreds of nations? Why not ostracise the descendants of the Aztecs for their horrific enslavement of other local civilizations? Want to know why? It seems that it's because they just haven't done it on the same scale as us Europeans. However, even the act of refusing to treat these injustices simply because of some racial background should be judged as racist in of itself.

Obviously, there are limits to this: there are areas that should be "verboten" even now, such as the Holocaust. But even then, the fact that we give these terrible things so much meaning simply shows how juvenile our society is, not the other way around, like a kid laughing at the word 'dick.' When one can't say something without ostensibly offending racial sentiment, it simply shows that our society has not, as a whole, progressed to the point of social maturity at which we can recognize these words for the meaningless, glib insults they are, and laugh them off like normal adults.

Pan1cz:
I feel NONE of this "I gotta be the alpha male so I'm gonna put down everyone and call them faggots" mentality. I consider myself WAY above that and to be included in this stereotype SICKENS me.

I don't know how many of you actually are this stereotypical "white adolescent male" but I feel like none of the comments I read (more than half the page) really touch on how I, a white adolescent male, really am in the gaming community.

I myself use many racial and homosexual slurs all the time. I can be rude or swear up a storm at an annoying n00b. But I can also be extremely nice and helpful. I'm not racist whatsoever. I don't really mind gay people. When I or ANYONE i know calls someone a "jew" or "fag" it's no different than jerk or asshole. It carries no racial or homosexual meanings with it WHATSOEVER!

As slightly touched on here, I think the MAIN reason for the online community's disgusting, hateful appearance is pure and simply it's anonymity and separation from the real world. There's no pressure to say and act the way society wants. Online I can use whatever slang and term I want to describe anything I want. To me it represents a freedom to say what I want, whether i mean it hurtful or not. All Political correctness is void and i can say midget, fag, jew, or n00b without knowing or caring who it MIGHT hurt.

Oi: I'm a white adolescent male, and I don't do shit like that. All I do is give my own ideas as to what we should do.

Where do these assholes come from? I guess there's some training camp somewhere.

Pan1cz:
I feel NONE of this "I gotta be the alpha male so I'm gonna put down everyone and call them faggots" mentality. I consider myself WAY above that and to be included in this stereotype SICKENS me.

I don't know how many of you actually are this stereotypical "white adolescent male" but I feel like none of the comments I read (more than half the page) really touch on how I, a white adolescent male, really am in the gaming community.

I myself use many racial and homosexual slurs all the time. I can be rude or swear up a storm at an annoying n00b. But I can also be extremely nice and helpful. I'm not racist whatsoever. I don't really mind gay people. When I or ANYONE i know calls someone a "jew" or "fag" it's no different than jerk or asshole. It carries no racial or homosexual meanings with it WHATSOEVER!

As slightly touched on here, I think the MAIN reason for the online community's disgusting, hateful appearance is pure and simply it's anonymity and separation from the real world. There's no pressure to say and act the way society wants. Online I can use whatever slang and term I want to describe anything I want. To me it represents a freedom to say what I want, whether i mean it hurtful or not. All Political correctness is void and i can say midget, fag, jew, or n00b without knowing or caring who it MIGHT hurt.

Here's the thing. When you use racial or homophobic slurs, regardless of intent, people can only read or hear the words. Unless you say BY THE WAY THIS HATE SPEECH I AM SPEWING, IT'S TOTES IRONIC AND NON LOADED YOU GUYS!!!!!, people can only hear the ignorant bullshit.

I fucking hate the asshole mentality that pervades so much of the internet. It's not limited to gamers, it's all over. People who think being edgy somehow makes them funny, and everyone is expected to roll with the hate.

It's just crap behaviour.

nohorsetown:
I was a picked-on nerd as a kid, called "fag", etc. Probably has something to do with why I don't treat other people that way. Or maybe I'm just a reasonably nice person with at least half a brain. It bums me out that most of my fellow nerds failed to make the connection. Do unto others, yeah? But nah.. the persecuted geeks, when they finally find somewhere to feel safe, just wanna turn it around and persecute someone else, to be on the other side of it, to feel cool and powerful, to be a macho asshole. When I was a kid, at first I romanticized my nerdy D&D/video games niche. I thought "cool, I wanna hang out with people like me.. we're probably all a bunch of smart, sensitive, esoteric motherfuckers!" Man, was I wrong.

Of course, I guess it's not all dorks anymore.. the "frat boy" types all have Xboxes now.. but I think the uh, "cycle of nerd abuse" accounts for a lot of it. (nothing against frat boys, necessarily. I'm sure there's plenty of nice fraternal fellas out there.. I'm just referring to the stereotypical "kick-sand-in-the-nerd's-face-at-the-beach" kind of macho bully thing.. uh, yeah, I'll shut up now) -anyway, my point is that, mostly, we (nerdy/insecure/picked on white kids) do it to ourselves, and if we're as smart as we think we are, we should freakin' get civilized already.

This is exactly what I think that gaming was a better place when it was forsaken by the macho people and the bullys and "frat boy types" because at least then most gamers since they were outcasted were reputable folk as they thought "well these guys are idiots I sure don't want to be like them" now they've joined our ranks unfortunately, like sawyer from the very first episodes of lost he was a jerk and everyone pretty much hated him but he was one of them. And correction even to those people it somehow STILL IS forsaken actually because those "macho" people even though they play halo and call of duty etc. etc. all the time will still make fun of other gamer for playing other gamers, for instance I am still in school and I'm sure almost every male in my school has played Modern Warfare yet when me and my friends talk about say Dragon Age we get made fun of so maybe we should all just start a gaming cult and maybe come up with a gaming god or two along the way WHO IS WITH ME?!??!?!

Undeadundertaker333:

nohorsetown:
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This is exactly what I think that gaming was a better place when it was forsaken by the macho people and the bullys and "frat boy types" because at least then most gamers since they were outcasted were reputable folk as they thought "well these guys are idiots I sure don't want to be like them" now they've joined our ranks unfortunately, like sawyer from the very first episodes of lost he was a jerk and everyone pretty much hated him but he was one of them. And correction even to those people it somehow STILL IS forsaken actually because those "macho" people even though they play halo and call of duty etc. etc. all the time will still make fun of other gamer for playing other gamers, for instance I am still in school and I'm sure almost every male in my school has played Modern Warfare yet when me and my friends talk about say Dragon Age we get made fun of so maybe we should all just start a gaming cult and maybe come up with a gaming god or two along the way WHO IS WITH ME?!??!?!

EVerquest MMO. A time when the "macho" didn't player with the "gamer"
Trolls and griefers existed well before them. Trains from Everquest highlight this.

"Another unique aspect of playing Everquest was trains. Not mechanical locomotives but long parades of monsters chasing a player or group of players. Trains arise from a combination of factors. The first thing required for a train is for a player or group to aggro more monsters than they can handle. Once the monsters start attacking a player they will not stop until either the player is dead or leaves the region by zoning out (crossing a line where the server removes them from the current area and loads them into the next)."

Trolls would then lead this train past lowlevel groups or people just trying to get somewhere to people resting or working on something. Near Instant death. I took the quote from http://mmoplayer.wikidot.com/everquest

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