Zero Punctuation: Soul Calibur IV

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Miniges:
I learned long ago, Noon on wendesdays is Yahtzee time. Also, DC v MK. This is news to me.

For everybody interested in what time ZP goes up, it's noon EST (USA).

For people interested in DC v MK, we have more video for you:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/e3-2008/164-Escape-TV-MK-v-DCU-This-is-Vegas

hilarious and absolutely true as always. also try pressing up+Y repeatedly, because quick attacks, from the looks of videos I've seen, work just as well as the throw button.

Shinkada:
I like Soul Calibur/er but I can't defend it.

I can defend the general fighting genre, though.

They're only just behind FPS games when it comes to a pure match of skill, so those who like actual competition are the ones most drawn to it.

Are you kidding me? Fighting games are pretty far away from games of pure matches of skill

Hrrm.... It's like Yahtzee just doesn't like games anymore. Why are the Escapist giving him games he doesn't actually like to review? It's hardly a testament to literature any more than giving Jeremy Clarkson a Caravan, or Jeremy Paxman a copy of Scottish poetry.

And the shitty music is still there.

JuJuTheDinosaur:
Your INDIVIDUALS, speak for yourselves dammit!

*chorus*: YES WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!

yay for Life of brian

frankly the story line in ANY fighting game has stopped me from playing it, soul whatever you spell it, is probably one of the few that i willingly play nowadays, then i figure screw it and find another game to play....like call of duty 4...............bye

Well, I liked the original Soul Blade, and had fun with my brother's copy of SC3. I have little love for games that get all pumped up on the graphics steroids and have no original gameplay or stories. It's developer arrogance and game companies greed that turns our games into pig swill.

I agree with Yahtzee in his core beliefs in what games should be. I think he has started to become less laugh out loud funny, and more commentary-ish on the way the VG system is falling so far below par, and we as consumers keep snatching it up like it was gold.

I've been all over some low key games lately, and I'd rather play Earthbound or any other original game from the early days of games, but then, I'm just an older guy who has no love for new regurgitation of the same old stuff, time and time again.

Just my two bits... still love the shows, just not what they used to be.

Guys, has anyone else noticed that in this and the last couple of episodes Yahtzee has been running out of breath towards the end of his sentences?

See! Thank you Yahtzee! I wasn't the only one who found myself winning by using the throw attacks constantly... not to mention broken combos you can use to easly beat Arcade mode, I mean this was the first Soul game I played (save for the DLC on XBL blah blah) and yet I managed to rank 15th in the whole world because of it!

Oh and thank you for not reviewing the Star Wars characters, I know they're crap... its basically common knowledge! Meh, atleast they were better previous guests like than Link who is less menacing than Yoda for crying out loud and Hei- etc etc from Tekken because since we have Yoshimitsu already in the original line-up the Tekken wow factor is lost on him. And Spawn? Whats that got to do with the Xbox? I mean Master Chief would have made more sense (which is still little given we know how it played out in DOA4... also badly given it wasn't even him). But then again they were more balanced than the SW characters...

Whatever though... great review as usual...

absinthe21:
Guys, has anyone else noticed that in this and the last couple of episodes Yahtzee has been running out of breath towards the end of his sentences?

Are you gonna pull a "Dr. House" now and tell him he's got some crazy heart condition and needs immediate attention? :-)

JakobLogan:

Shinkada:
I like Soul Calibur/er but I can't defend it.

I can defend the general fighting genre, though.

They're only just behind FPS games when it comes to a pure match of skill, so those who like actual competition are the ones most drawn to it.

Are you kidding me? Fighting games are pretty far away from games of pure matches of skill

You clearly have never played a proper fighting game.

Oh, c'mon. I don't see why Yahtzee has such beef with fighting games. The main complaint I've heard is that it's easy to lose against a button-mashing newbie. Yeah, that's only the case in the Super Smash Bros. games... and those aren't even necessarily fighting games.

If you find yourself beating the game easily with throws, then there's a problem with the game's AI. It's a little harder to beat an actual person if all you do is throw. I'm not a huge fan of the Soulcalibur games (oh, Excalibur, I get it now) but I do like playing Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Capcom vs. SNK 2.

Gotta love Blanka.

I was worried about his... alright, if a person who doesn't like fighting games can beat most levels with only throw, then it's not worth my time. Back to Guilty Gear XX: Slash, then.

On another note Mortal Kombat series is probably the worst mainstream fighting series in existence.

It was a good review - I bought Soul Calibur 4 - but after playing it for about a week it got really boring. And he's right about online - people button mash like crazy - no skill involved.

Funny as always. I'm afraid I can't get behind his slagging of the character creation feature, which I'm still having a blast with. Great fun.

Really though, isn't SCIV custom-designed to be hated by Yahtzee? Think about it: it's an extremely Japanese, anime-flavoured fighting game featuring a preposterous web of fan service masquerading as a story and the world's most impossibly huge swords.

Everthing he hates, in other words. The game would have to have been phenomenally good for him to like it, so no surprises here.

Irysa:

JakobLogan:

Shinkada:
I like Soul Calibur/er but I can't defend it.

I can defend the general fighting genre, though.

They're only just behind FPS games when it comes to a pure match of skill, so those who like actual competition are the ones most drawn to it.

Are you kidding me? Fighting games are pretty far away from games of pure matches of skill

You clearly have never played a proper fighting game.

You're right, on second thought there are a few that come to mind, i was just thinking mainly of the Soul Calibur Series. I still wont give in to the point that they are "Just behind FPS when it comes to a pure match of skill"

another great video, always something to look forward to every week

As much as I'm a fan of this game, I can't refute a single point Yahtzee makes. Nor refute the fact that I was giggling away my morning. Fighting games are meant to be played by two live people. They're complete arcade games. The best thing SC4 has going for it over it's predecessors is the online gaming. No one's really figured out how to make fighting games fun in single player.

Actually SC1 and SC2 had some decent single player missions, with quirks like drifting battlefields, quicksand, mice that would nibble on your toesies if you didn't jump once in a while, and missions where you could only do damage if the enemy was in the air, or when only throws would be effective. (Though Yahtzee probably wouldn't have a problem with that one.) Instead of the somewhat creative bits they used to have, SC4 just chucks more guys in different armor at you to kill.

Other than online play, I could see why someone wouldn't be all that keen on the Caliber, or Calibur, or Calibre, or whatever...

Did he just complain about the AI? Thank God, I'm not the only one... :D

Actually, this episode is the most bland one i have ever heard of in a while. Somehow, yahtzee's humour isn't getting to me, even though i'm watching them. But he does mentions that he did this video very cheaply.

Maybe it's only me, but it's humour changed from smart to dumbfounded.

Meneguzzi:

absinthe21:
Guys, has anyone else noticed that in this and the last couple of episodes Yahtzee has been running out of breath towards the end of his sentences?

Are you gonna pull a "Dr. House" now and tell him he's got some crazy heart condition and needs immediate attention? :-)

it's not lupus.

I agree with Yahtzee's POV on Soul Calibur 4. I personally liked Soul Calibur 2 because most of the characters looked "normal" cool (for a Japanese game) and their motivations at least make sense in an embrionic (not overtly elaborated state)and fighting is viseral

But Soul Calibur is crap compared to it, I mean seriously, the combos and fighting moves are MUCH slower, the swing is so god damn blockable and customization utterly pointless (but since the characters are "buffed up" in every game, as seen by the ridiculous growth of IVY's TITS in each Soul Calibur 4, and some of the really genuinely wonderful costumes in 2 gave way to flashy gay pants in later games that are all about spectacle.

About Yoda and Darth Vader, WTF? I mean I expected that Japan will endlessly and pointlessly try to bring popular characters from the west and interact with their spiky haired unlikable remake catastrophies (Kingdom Hearts, "Kenny" the anime, and now THISSSS) WHY the hell does Japan actually think that it's a good thing, or even relevant for this merge (Anakin is still a little Douchebag)? Can't they grasp its not about spectacle but about interactivity, immersion, achievement and appreciation? Fuck those clowns (Sigh, those casual gaming, exposition loving, misogenistic bastards whose utterly addicted with what the hell Sephiroth will do next~) At least there is a Korea, O wait, now they are into animes these days, and their MMORPGS are even more horrible

Soul Calibur is but a casual game because there really is little single playing potential, no narrative, motivation, or cinematic asides. No long term value

I want more games that I can love not crowbared into the Pathos oriented part of my brain~

JakobLogan:

Irysa:

JakobLogan:

Shinkada:
I like Soul Calibur/er but I can't defend it.

I can defend the general fighting genre, though.

They're only just behind FPS games when it comes to a pure match of skill, so those who like actual competition are the ones most drawn to it.

Are you kidding me? Fighting games are pretty far away from games of pure matches of skill

You clearly have never played a proper fighting game.

You're right, on second thought there are a few that come to mind, i was just thinking mainly of the Soul Calibur Series. I still wont give in to the point that they are "Just behind FPS when it comes to a pure match of skill"

And why would that be? Both effectively rely on what I exemplified on earlier, ability to read and understand an opponent's strategy and have effective reactions to be able to counter them.

Besides, I think he was reffering to videogames specifically. Not all competitive forms of sport of what have you.

Long time since I've seen more crap posted. Fighting Games are the most annoying and lame games in existence. So let's bust some myths here.

- They are about skill
A nice myth sticking around like stench to a toilet. They are not about skills especially if any twat just button-mashes his way to victory. I've played numerous fighting games and it is always the same. Some or less prone to trashing others more. In the end memorizing move sets is not a "skill" at all. Timing? Yeah my ass... Huffing down a combo chain by pressing buttons in a sequence in the right timing gives you kudos for having too much time at your hands to learn finger twist but shows your lack of any "combat" skills or gaming skills in general. So forget the one with the skills, it's just a nice myth

- Fun playing against buddies
Skill games are fun if played with buddies ( or party games if you are drunken like hell ). Luck and memory games are boring together since after a short time you know all the combos. Finding holes in his defense? There isn't much looking or finding in a game type which ends after 5 seconds if you just mash the buttons. The main problem with fighting games is that they are boring very quick since they lack anything new or different. After 5 minutes you've seen all the game has to offer. And don't come me with "goodies". If you think a game is good because it has goodies go bury yourself since you are a nerd with no life... and no taste :D

- Characters are good
Really? You should know it better nerd. You are playing this only because of the nearly naked girls with bigger boobs than they have swords. Granted not all fighting games are like this ( try to find a booby wielding girl in a godzilla beat'm up ;) ) but the ones with the big fellowship are. If I want naked women I can go get myself some pr0n... much cheaper and lasts longer ;)

There are other things but in general the main problem in this games is that they are exhausted after very short time. And comparing a fighting game to chess should get you arrested on the spot. Comparing a pure skill and tactic game with a button mashing memory game is like comparing a cake to a bag of poo ( to stick with the analogy given by Yathzee ).

Now I looking forward to get Minimap-Quest.

The whole inclusion of Star Wars characters is immensely retarded.

Irysa:

JakobLogan:

Irysa:

JakobLogan:

Shinkada:
I like Soul Calibur/er but I can't defend it.

I can defend the general fighting genre, though.

They're only just behind FPS games when it comes to a pure match of skill, so those who like actual competition are the ones most drawn to it.

Are you kidding me? Fighting games are pretty far away from games of pure matches of skill

You clearly have never played a proper fighting game.

You're right, on second thought there are a few that come to mind, i was just thinking mainly of the Soul Calibur Series. I still wont give in to the point that they are "Just behind FPS when it comes to a pure match of skill"

And why would that be? Both effectively rely on what I exemplified on earlier, ability to read and understand an opponent's strategy and have effective reactions to be able to counter them.

Besides, I think he was reffering to videogames specifically. Not all competitive forms of sport of what have you.

Ever play an RTS?

haha, the flowchart joke was nice, got myself a bit confused when I say all those lines and faces for the first time

Oh and the custom character redeems the entire game 'cause of the fact that you can make Steven Seagal.

Lol.

An entire review of a fighting game based entirely off of the one-player modes. Hahaha.

i must say as a fan of the soul calibur series 4 was quite disappointing all together 2 and 3 are much better and you can tell this one was just for money

BloodMoon54:
i must say as a fan of the soul calibur series 4 was quite disappointing all together 2 and 3 are much better and you can tell this one was just for money

I'm not sure about "Just for the money" but you're right 2 and 3 were far superior

As long as you can play as Vader in a game, I'm in! Well, perhaps not but...

I don't think it reeks of desperation, but it does reek of something. It is to be noted that his "secret apprentice" is also in the game regardless of version. This is more of an "everyone profits" situation between companies. LucasArts get to promote The Force Unleashed and Soul Calibur will sell a few extra copies to the SW-fanatics whom otherwise wouldn't look twice at this game.

While there is at least one battle that I know of that you can't win with throws only (since that character auto-techs all throws) I do hate throws in SC games. They have much longer reach than they appear to, they do lots of damage and interupt any other attack (almost). Me and my friends have banned throws except for if the opponent just missed an attack that has long cooldown (like Yoshimitsu jumping past you by mistake).

As for this game in particular it is imo not nearly as good a game as the last one. The story mode has been reduced to absolutely nothing, the adventure mode is complete rubbish and the game has been slowed down for online play (which is too laggy to play in any meaningful manner) that I can deflect almost any attack; even the really quick ones!

Multiplayer was not brought up in the review here, and without multiplayer there are scant few fighting games worth playing. If I had to liken fighting games to something else in the gaming world I'd say they compare like a constant FPS duel where you're faced with a single skilled opponent and you're both trying to trick each other into sucking a rocket by stepping in the wrong direction or running into an enclosed space. Mastering a character, learning how to exploit frame-by-frame differences in move speed, varying up your attacks to keep your opponent guessing, and reflex-saving against powerful moves and combos makes fighting games a unique and satisfying experience in its own right.

Unfortunately, just like Yathzee said in the Ninja Gaiden 2 review, sometimes the adolescent minds of the desginers make you feel ashamed you're the intended audience ~~

Yahtzee usually makes funny game reviews. Unfortunately this wasn't one of them.
The main problem in this one was that Ben doesn't like fighting makes. So he clearly desperately tried to find something to complain about -- which was just too obvious.

I'd like to hear Yahtzee's opinion about a PS1 figting game called Bushido Blade. BB doesn't have blunt swords nor epic, but stupid backstories.

Usually I would agree whole heartedly with Yahtzee, but Fighting Games are my favorite genre. The deconstruction of the single player portion of a fighting game is just a tad ridiculous. Of course its crap. However as Mr Croshaw is so fond of mentioning, he doesn't play the multiplayer of anything, though if I remember correctly he did play Brawl with "friends". I will say this, I'm not defending Soul Calibur, I dislike 3D Fighters, I'm just defending the genre...mostly Street Fighter and King of Fighters.

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