Zero Punctuation: Dead Space

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ElArabDeMagnifico:

YoungZer0:
Oh come on Yahtzee. You love Half-Life and Gordon Freeman also doesn't talk at all, so why is it here a problem?

First person perspective, and attachment to characters, and well-written script.

Really? At times during the review I had to keep reminding myself he was talking about Dead Space and not Half-Life 2.

mspencer82:

ElArabDeMagnifico:

YoungZer0:
Oh come on Yahtzee. You love Half-Life and Gordon Freeman also doesn't talk at all, so why is it here a problem?

First person perspective, and attachment to characters, and well-written script.

Really? At times during the review I had to keep reminding myself he was talking about Dead Space and not Half-Life 2.

...Your joking right? Because the Gravity Gun was useful in half life 2, the weapons were great, there were no annoying swarms of stupid bugs, I don't think you've played HL2.

Aries_Split:

mspencer82:

ElArabDeMagnifico:

YoungZer0:
Oh come on Yahtzee. You love Half-Life and Gordon Freeman also doesn't talk at all, so why is it here a problem?

First person perspective, and attachment to characters, and well-written script.

Really? At times during the review I had to keep reminding myself he was talking about Dead Space and not Half-Life 2.

...Your joking right? Because the Gravity Gun was useful in half life 2, the weapons were great, there were no annoying swarms of stupid bugs, I don't think you've played HL2.

The gravity gun was only useful to get the insane amount of crates out of your way in overly cluttered hallways. Other than that it was just an overly complicated way to make use of the physics engine. Yeah, you don't have to shake off bugs but the headcrabs were annoying as hell. I notice you didn't bother refuting the fact that HL has a mute protagonist that could easily be replaced by a plank of wood.

I played Half-Life 2 on PC shortly after it came out and later bought the Orange Box for Xbox 360 (check my gamer tag on my profile if you don't believe I played Half-Life 2 and its episodes). I don't hate Half-Life 2, I just think it's a really average, bland game. From the way the review makes it sound, Dead Space is just as bland, but I can't say for sure since I haven't played it.

Concealed101:
I'm honestly disappointed by all the people in this thread who mock the game then end with "I haven't actually played it but I've watched videos (or something similar)." Seriously? Just because Yahtzee tells you something is "meh" you automatically believe him? Go read other reviews. Gamespy gave it a 5/5 and compared it to HL2 and Bioshock in terms of quality. That's not to say that they're right and YAhtzee is wrong but merely that opinions differ and if you only listen to one person how will you be sure you're truly experiencing the best games for you?

Thank you. ZP still makes me smile once every so often, but I'm getting utterly sick of the "Well, Yahtzee says it's bad, might as well not even try the game out for myself" mentality that seems to pervade these forums.

Am i the only person who notice 'Bleep Bloop'? i think it's an 'obscure internet referance, and if it is Yhatzee has just put an even bigger gap between himself and my other favorate (non-fictonal) people!! love the reviews anyway - even if i dont always agree.

PS am i the only person who really likes his opening theme? i donno, my friends do, but maybe it's a british thing ... or maybe he's just as mad as us!

hilarious as always!

This review was ok but not that funny. can i haz Far Cry 2 or TES:Fallout 3 review now?
"the marsupial answer to Stanley Kubrick" LOL

*edit* btw after watching again i must say i am surprised by how little Yahtzee appears in this review, we see him sitting reviewing stuff but i like it better when he inserts himself into to game but maybe that's joust me.

Spot on. I laugh at people who say this game is scary.

Condemned was scary, Silent hill was scary.
This thing makes your hearth jump out sometimes but that's about it.

Indrid Cold:

Concealed101:
I'm honestly disappointed by all the people in this thread who mock the game then end with "I haven't actually played it but I've watched videos (or something similar)." Seriously? Just because Yahtzee tells you something is "meh" you automatically believe him? Go read other reviews. Gamespy gave it a 5/5 and compared it to HL2 and Bioshock in terms of quality. That's not to say that they're right and YAhtzee is wrong but merely that opinions differ and if you only listen to one person how will you be sure you're truly experiencing the best games for you?

Thank you. ZP still makes me smile once every so often, but I'm getting utterly sick of the "Well, Yahtzee says it's bad, might as well not even try the game out for myself" mentality that seems to pervade these forums.

Except I wasn't going to try the game in the first place because I'm boycotting all things EA until they grow the fuck up and stop treating their paying customers like criminals.

Also the thing to remember about reviewers for review sites and magazines is that if they don't give good reviews then companies get their panties in a bunch and threaten to pull advertising.

And you can't have that. Ever.

Now I'm not say EA is using their industry power to influence reviews, but that's entirely likely.

I am also not saying this game can't be enjoyable.

Hmm. It's half the concept of Event Horizon and hhmmm.. let's say 60% of space horror movies. true but i had a good time playin it and it's not so bad... it is just that the plot completely lackin' of ingeniosity and phony as possible.

[Out of subject] http://bizarrocomic.blogspot.com/ > Look! Yathzee got cloned... :D [/Out of subject]

Again, I think many people here are missing the point here. From his very first review, Yahtzee has been different in that he focuses on the things that deaden the game experience, or make the game less enjoyable. In some respects, Yahtzee has a theoretically much easier job with his reviews: The good aspects of a game vary for most (some would rank story, gameplay, graphics as their most important quality or some prefer a mix), but the things that make a game bad (poor programming, lazy texturing, strange dialogue, weird gameplay mechanics) are usually easy to agree upon. Yahtzee just has to then interject his trademark humor into the mix, and BLAM! instant classic.

Unfortunately, basing your choice of games on Yahtzee's approval alone means you are not a gamer at all. You would probably own The Orange Box, Call of Duty 4, Psychonauts, Painkiller, and Saints Row 2 (judging on games (that I can remember) that had positive receptions), and that's it. This brings me to my point: The best review is the one you give yourself. You will find aspects you can't stand, things you absolutely love, and decide if you really like this game. Often this happens after you've bought the game, so it's too late to make any budget constraints; but things like demos, previews, videos, and Gametap rentals help that. Instead, do what I do: laugh your ass off at Yahtzee and how funny he is when he lampoons a game.

But, hey, what do I know; I only read game reviews to give me selfish vindication that "Damn, I liked this game. I'm glad people agree with me."

I'm about 2/3 through the game, so; grain of salt here.

The crack about the name of the character was pretty weak, especially since the developers came right out and said that they were doing it in honor of those two authors. Making fun of that was the fish in a barrel comment.

Dead Space does wear its influences on its sleeve, and that's legit for critique; however, I don't exactly see what they problem is with the environments. They would be pretty, (the atrium level shows this off) but the ship is a wreck; that's kind of the point, you know?

I'd also agree, very strongly, with the point that the main character isn't fleshed out and so is difficult to identify with. It's the new millennium; main characters can speak now without the memory drag sound once presented. Hell, even a few lines about how fucked up this was would've been fantastic, but to make the game Isaac would've had to converse with the other characters, and that's an issue to me.

I don't think you can just rely on having the player automatically identify with your protagonist b/c s/he is playing the hero, anymore. (Not that you always could)

Finally, while the story isn't awesome, it's solid and while you do have to backtrack, they give you reasons for it, and open up new areas. I haven't found it to be a problem, and for me, going back to a place I left--where I KNEW things were fucked up-- made it more intense for me. YMMV.

Anyway, I'll save the rest for when I've finished the game and can do a little review of my own.

I really really enjoyed Dead Space and thus disagree with Yahtzee almost entirely for the first time as I can't help but think this was bitter for the sake of bitter due to his praise of Saints Row 2 last week, given his enjoyment appeared to creep into this review as his quick praises we big ones... not really emphasized though (plus due to the monsters reminded me of The Thing, not so much Event Horizon just because it was on a ship).

The review was funny still!

Review for next week has to be.....GEARS 2!

I don't mean to try to either sound like an asshole, or to be offending anyone......Actually, I sorta am, but....

Is it just me, or is it extremely depressing to see so many god damn, and yes I'll say it, ASS KISSERS; towards Yahtzee... I hope even he can see it himself every time he or anyone else looks through the list of comments for every review that is made. No one should deny the alarming and pathetic nature of what would be considered Yahtee's fanbase, they sound nothing more than a bunch of ass sucking mindless ravaging Yahtsee-worshipers who know matter what will go all out and say:

ZOMG THIS WAS BEST REVIEW YET!!111! GJ YAHTSEEe! I LOL'D HARD!!!1one!1

The notable fact that they, or a great number of people say this for EVERY SINGLE REVIEW!....

Obviously since they are to be considered the fanbase, they will be of the first people to post a comment to each video, because they anxiously await each video as a force of habit or something, from their almighty lord! Hah. So if you clearly try to look up what I'm talking about, your best bet is to look at the obvious kiss-asses' at the first page of comments.

Honestly. I hope others see this too, or have been noticing this for quite some time, I just felt I had to blurt it out because I felt like it.

CHEERS!

- Mounce

Funny review.

I'll be waiting for a Wii Music review next week.

Or maybe a review of Mother 3 using the translation patch.

Mounce:
No one should deny the alarming and pathetic nature of what would be considered Yahtee's fanbase, they sound nothing more than a bunch of ass sucking mindless ravaging Yahtsee-worshipers who know matter what will go all out and say:

ZOMG THIS WAS BEST REVIEW YET!!111! GJ YAHTSEEe! I LOL'D HARD!!!1one!1

The notable fact that they, or a great number of people say this for EVERY SINGLE REVIEW!....

What I always find silly and ironic whenever someone says this, is that they have often overlooked pages of comments where everyone has bashed Yahztee for tarnishing the game they know and love, whether or not they really do and/or are just fooling themselves. What I like about Yahztee is that unlike Gamespy, Gamespot and all these other people who want you to LIKE/BUY the games and praise every little bit of it, Yahtzee tells you what's wrong with the game, with is often quite hard for people who've already made up their mind to accept. That's why I like him, because here is someone who instead of focusing on the few positive things and blowing it out of proportion, tells you all the faults that the games have, and often there are many more negatives than positives.

What people are failing to see here, is that Yahtzee gave Dead Space both positive and negative marks, meaning that he actually liked the game to a small degree, but it will never be up there among his favourite games.

Never had high hopes for this game. Looks WAY to much like Cold Fear and that game was just play shit.

Mounce:
I don't mean to try to either sound like an asshole, or to be offending anyone......Actually, I sorta am, but....

Is it just me, or is it extremely depressing to see so many god damn, and yes I'll say it, ASS KISSERS; towards Yahtzee... I hope even he can see it himself every time he or anyone else looks through the list of comments for every review that is made. No one should deny the alarming and pathetic nature of what would be considered Yahtee's fanbase, they sound nothing more than a bunch of ass sucking mindless ravaging Yahtsee-worshipers who know matter what will go all out and say:

ZOMG THIS WAS BEST REVIEW YET!!111! GJ YAHTSEEe! I LOL'D HARD!!!1one!1

The notable fact that they, or a great number of people say this for EVERY SINGLE REVIEW!....

Obviously since they are to be considered the fanbase, they will be of the first people to post a comment to each video, because they anxiously await each video as a force of habit or something, from their almighty lord! Hah. So if you clearly try to look up what I'm talking about, your best bet is to look at the obvious kiss-asses' at the first page of comments.

Honestly. I hope others see this too, or have been noticing this for quite some time, I just felt I had to blurt it out because I felt like it.

CHEERS!

- Mounce

I was once Yahtzee's ass kisser, but not anymore after this review, meh.

empty_other:
Red Alert 3 (still to buggy to be reviewed at this date, though).

Ever noticed the fact Yahtzee made more JRPG reviews then RTS ones? Right, considering he never reviewed a RTS it's not that hard.

I would guess FarCry 2 (considering he primarily plays shooters) Fable 2 (considering Fable was the first full game he ever reviewed in ZP) or Little Big Planet (considering his room mate is a die hard fan of that)

@Topic: Can't actually agree with the thing about Isaacs speechlessness breaking immersion. I actually prefer that to some bad ass action space marine protagonist synchronized by some uninspired third rate Hollywood actor so he can afford himself a can of peas. Right, the wifey thingy looks weird on the first glance but ... ah well, others already said it so why be redundant.

But then again, I had fun watching this ZP episode. Because that's what it is about. People actually hoping for a go or no-go from a single reviewer on a game in this day and age is pathetic and a sad reminder of why fascism worked so well. And people ranting out of their fanboy hearts here because Yahtzee rips on their little lovechild is actually far beyond pathetic and more of a reason for you to be put on the governments depopulation list. No, seriously.

Mounce:

Honestly. I hope others see this too, or have been noticing this for quite some time, I just felt I had to blurt it out because I felt like it.

I've seen it too. Welcome on Earth dear visitor from planet Zog, here is your free t-shirt! Seriously, what do you expect? It's nice and comfy in your little niche but as soon you enter the mainstream you attract everyone and not just the few people that stumbled upon you by pure chance. And guess who that "everyone" is? Retards, primarily. And nowhere is it that obvious then in the big junkpile called the Internet. Ever played a multiplayer game? Welcome to shitty town. Do you really expect these people to morph into intelligent human beings when they enter a forum? Then you should read the comments on a youtube video - ANY youtube video. That should cure your delusions.

The review is dead on... Dead Space is an overly-hyped waste of time. You feel no sense of accomplishment, levels are cramped, and the monster interactions are so damned repetetive. I sold my copy the same day I bought it. What blows is that publishers keep pumping out this crap because consumers' standards are so low... they want the same old stuff with a new coat of paint. It's like Event Horizon without a story. Go out and buy a plastic paint suit, crawl through some rusty drainage pipe and have your friend throw rabbid possums at you while you swing at them... it'll cost you a fraction of what the game does, entertain you infinitely more, and provide a lifetime of memories. You'll foget about this game 3 months after you beat it.

Hiroshi Mishima:
What I always find silly and ironic whenever someone says this, is that they have often overlooked pages of comments where everyone has bashed Yahztee for tarnishing the game they know and love, whether or not they really do and/or are just fooling themselves. What I like about Yahztee is that unlike Gamespy, Gamespot and all these other people who want you to LIKE/BUY the games and praise every little bit of it, Yahtzee tells you what's wrong with the game, with is often quite hard for people who've already made up their mind to accept. That's why I like him, because here is someone who instead of focusing on the few positive things and blowing it out of proportion, tells you all the faults that the games have, and often there are many more negatives than positives.

What people are failing to see here, is that Yahtzee gave Dead Space both positive and negative marks, meaning that he actually liked the game to a small degree, but it will never be up there among his favourite games.

I understand that people also bash him of course, when someone or something is popular, it is never judged the same by everyone, always different opinions. That is life! Hence why I added the little 'At the first' or first few pages, the first comment-posters at most XD

Anaphyis:
I've seen it too. Welcome on Earth dear visitor from planet Zog, here is your free t-shirt! Seriously, what do you expect? It's nice and comfy in your little niche but as soon you enter the mainstream you attract everyone and not just the few people that stumbled upon you by pure chance. And guess who that "everyone" is? Retards, primarily. And nowhere is it that obvious then in the big junkpile called the Internet. Ever played a multiplayer game? Welcome to shitty town. Do you really expect these people to morph into intelligent human beings when they enter a forum? Then you should read the comments on a youtube video - ANY youtube video. That should cure your delusions.

I at least wish to cherish my 0.5% of my faith left in humanity!!! T_T...... DO YOU MIND?! Lol. Idiocy is everywhere, especially the internet, yes, I know that well, but either way. Just felt like saying what was on my mind for so long, one of those 'itchy' moments that you want something off your chest for the hell of it and to see what comes of it, whether a ban awaits or not.

Looking at the commercials, I had a definate feeling of Doom 3 all over again. WITH SPACE LAZORS.

Sounds like Yahtzee really just wants to see something new or fresh. A really well executed formula, no matter how creative and polished, is still a formula. I haven't played the game, so I can't say.

In terms of horror, a really well done horror film in my opinion is The Descent, btw.

I'm about a 1/4 way through this game and am enjoying it so far. Not the best game I've ever played but definitely woth my attention. I also wanted to post "Puke and Fuses" is fucking hilarious! http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/games/Thing/

Thanks Yahtzee

By the way Super Smash Brothers Brawl sucks Ox Balls.

I don't entirely agree your your review. I'd give it a 50% agreeability score (cause I know how much you like tagging a number value to what is essentually opinion). :)

I'll agree that the game is more of a Spook fest than real horror. The game was atmoshphereic and scary before I realised 1 minute later the back ground "music" was static and looped in its own way.

The movie comentations were also spot on. While playing Dead Space-- and enjoying it I might add, I thought, "This is basicly 'Aliens,' practicly verbatim." I later thought of Event Horrizion, but the spook tactics seemed to be much more Aliens to me. The nail that drove that opinion home was when help arived. I sighed, and placed a called it right then and there. I won't spoil it for the readers, but you know what happened. And yeah, it happened just like that in Aliens. ;)

Anyway, it was a fun game, utilsed all the genre staples that have been used in FPS and Horror games alike, and has warrented a few play throughs for me. :)

Has anyone noted how the plant-growing section of the Ishimura actually looked exactly like the "disco floor" in System Shock 2?

If it rips of anything, it's System Shock2, not Event Horizon (the Space Ship is EMPTY, the horror is psychological, all in the heads of the visitors), not Resident Evil (oh come on! Because of the same perspective? I guess all FPS rip off Wolfenstein, then).

____

I just have to add one thing.
At the moment, I have the opportunity to play 3 brand new games: Fallout3, DS and Command & Conquer. Regardless of anything that has been said here, I chose to keep on playing Dead Space. This, in my opinion, is worth it all. A game has to make you keep on playing. Like any other work of art or media like books, films or music, it has to be interesting first and all. I started to play them all, but DS kept my interest, Fallout will catch it later maybe and C&C will never make it past the first 5 minutes.

i think the game was righteous - the only negative thing i can say i agreed w/in this review was the bit about the main char not speaking. that bugged the hell outta me. the action was awesome, the sci-fi aspect was done very well and if u used the pulse rifle the little dudes r easy to kill. neway - i am starting to lose my respect for yahtzee's reviews that go way overboard on good games...and the silent hill review was uncalled for...

Well I guess I had it coming. I loved the game but still enjoyed the hell out of the review. But I laughed at my grandma when she threw her prostetic leg across the room so maybe Im messed up. By the way for any one who reads this, the Avatar pic is a joke. Get it, [Avatar]? Never mind.

For me personally, I agree to a point of view of course but even as Yahtzee had said that opinions exist and you play the game for what it is and fuck the reviewers, if you like it, that's all that matters.

For me I enjoyed the action and gameplay, story-wise is pretty much true, and I extremely hated that female that just bitches and whines and PMS's at you over the video every level, I despise that character.

Thankfully I had rented the game, played it 2 times, and grabbed every trophy, and so I'm at 100%, and will never have to play the game ever again unless I wish to buy it at a bargain bin 5 years from now to add to my gaming collection, it was good, and great, nothing bad as well as nothing mind blowing, but of course who would have thought a shooting-related game would have been mind blowing? (This doesn't queue anyone to say the name 'Bioshock', it wasn't mindblowing in any department as well, 'In my professional opinion'.)

Concealed101:
I'm not going to say that Yahtzee didn't get the game because honestly every single person takes something different away from the game; however, I feel like he was looking for the wrong things in Issac's occasional interactions with Nicole. They weren't intended to create empathy with the character, they were intended to make you question whether or not Issac was hallucinating. The idea that an unarmed girl could survive alone on the Ishimura when trained military professionals were slaughtered makes no sense, especially considering that she seems to just walk out of the room without worry whenever you see her. Issac's lack of emotional reaction is more of a sign that on some level he understood he was fooling himself. And he was characterized, just never verbally. If you read his notes on each objective, you got a clear sense of who he was as a person-- utilitarian, logical, and level-headed. Which is precisely why he survives when others die.

I haven't actually played the game, but I have wonder about praising the characterisation of a protagonist who's simultaneously logical and level-headed, and possibly a hallucinating crazy. Combining paradoxical traits can make for great and very personal characters, but there needs to be something to tie the opposites together, otherwise you're just mixing random stuff in no coherent fashion, and that's bad writing.

Also, his comments about the level design being cliche strikes me as odd. You can clearly see a practical theme to everything. And the gothic influences are astounding. You can see an amalgamation of old architecture and science fiction. I mean, a ship with influences clearly derived from flying buttresses? How is that not original?

LOLWUT

Also, even though the story is cliche the religious overtones provided by the unitologist add a lot more depth than the standard sci-fi horror story contains. The obvious criticisms of accepting everything on blind faith and inadvertently worshiping the necromorphs as almost god-like because they have a relation to the marker, when in actuality the marker is meant to contain the necros? That's at least somewhat interesting on a story-telling level and it was certainly never explored in Alien/Aliens or Event Horizon.

Religion in a science fiction story? What a new and fascinating idea... Sorry. Didn't Alien 4 already include some speculation along those lines, Xenomorphs as inherently superior beings - the next step of evolution which we should embrace? I'm sure at least one of the movies explored, or at least mentioned the concept. Just replace a belief in the infallibility and necessity of evolution with religion and there you go, hardly a very long jump...

Techni:
I disagreed with the review completely.

1) Ripping off Event Horizon.
Yeah, the devs admitted it was one of their sources. It was the point of the game.

3) Your comment about it being a combination of other games
I felt it was the result of taking lesser games and getting a better game in result.
And the devs admitted RE4 was one of their sources. All the other games you listed I actually gave up playing out of boredom.

4) Your comment about it not looking like a place worth living in before the disaster
The place did look significantly better before the disaster. Lights weren't always out like that in every section. The unlivable conditions are a result of the disaster. They even said it was odd how all the lights were out during the opening cinematic.

So the point of the game was to be unoriginal? (Sorry, a rather inflamatory way to put it.) Not necessarily a bad thing as such, but everything else being equal, I'd say unoriginality is inferior to originality, and thus a valid target of criticism, even if the devs admit it.
While the dilapidated status of the ship might make perfect sense in the context of the game, it's still unoriginal. The devs could have had the game take place before the environment deteriorated, but apparently they decided against trying something new, and it should rightfully be a strike against them.

I'd say it's basically a question of which half of WALL-E you want to put your Zombies in. Why does no one ever go for the second half I wonder? Seeing a futuristic Utopia overrun by slavering undead would make for a much more effective setting simply by way of shocking juxtaposition. But what do I know...

6) Arthur Clarke reference in the name, etc.
Yeah, it was intended.

Still lame... Like a fantasy adventure starring the ever-heroic J.R.R. Lewis von Eddings.

Still better than "Superfly Johnson", tho.

Wait, what's the name of the black character again?

In short, I was excited you choose this game. I found the game very likeable, the singular best EA game I've ever played and one of the best games this gen. I expected your review to be a lot more positive. But I found most of your complaints to be either invalid, or picking on the point of the game

Making an homage/parody/imitation is, in my opinion (and, like I said above, all else being equal, there are always other factors to consider) automatically inferior to creating (or at least trying to create) something that's actually original. Thus it's a perfect valid target of criticism, whatever the devs might say.

("It's not a bug, it's a feature; and it's not an imitation, it's an homage!")

Might still be a very good game, of course, but that would probably be as a result of solid craftsmanship as opposed to any inspired genious...

Of all the spaceships you could choose Yahtzee, why the Pyro GX? You're not trying to make some statement about Descent are you?

Anyway, great review as always.

wrong Yahtzee wrong. this game was awesome and was not as terrible as you made it seem in your "review". the best you could say about it was that the good parts were "fine"? do you have some sorta bias against EA or what? this game was polished and fun. even if they borrowed elements from other games, that doesn't automatically make it bad or generic.

your negative schtick is getting mad old. you call Dead Space repetitive? maybe you should look in the mirror.

Dead space completed it in 2days...brilliant graphics...but same old stuff, and for those who haven't noticed, but Yahtzee is wrong about the system shock. its more bioshock if you ask me, weapon upgrades, and the lack of nodes to upgrade with, other then the over the shoulder spaz look, the body armor looks like a smaller big daddy.

ALSO! one more thing before i leave this to rest, a big 1930's posters everywhere and the story line is pretty much the same as Bioshock......i shall leave it now because it has been punished enough.

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