derpa:

thetragicclown:

derpa:
Yea none of the fans would have liked it *eye roll*

I think you're a bit lost. You see, this is the Zero Punctuation forum.

The forums for never-satisfied, "It's not Van Buren!" Fallout "fans" are over here.

Hmmm, seems lots of people on here like to make assumptions, where did I say I never had any fun with fallout 3? hmmm?

Where did I accuse you of not having fun with it? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?

Like before, I haven't watched yet, but from what people people have been saying about his review, he likes it. I'm glad it's that way, because my friend bought it for his laptop, and we thought it was pretty cool. So now I'm definetely buying this game.

gunna take that as a good game review :D Gratz fall out 3 u have achieved the near impossible! impressing yahtzee!

I personally like the game, and played it more than I should have... 20 hours plus. I'd like to see Yahtzee play Left 4 Dead... I love that game... so much it hurts my arms playing it.

I was really, really wary of Fallout 3 being that I am somewhat of a fanboy of the first two plus I hated Oblivion. After playing a bit of the game so far, I have to say Bethesda may be heading in the right direction. There are alot of things that could be improved, a few things that NEED to be improved, but overall I think the "Pros" outweigh the "Cons".

Biggest gripes:
- I like VATS (reminds me of old Fallout), but whats with no Eyes or Groin to aim at? Plus seems like something is wrong with Real Time shooting as you spend probably 5x the ammo.
- Karma system needs improvement.
- Seems like everyone starts with the "Blood Mess" perk, but later you get the "Extremely Bloody Mess" perk where nearly everyone explodes off all their limbs. I think there are waaaay to many dismemberments without the perk while using weapons that this shouldnt be capable of happening (unless due to radiation, human bones tend to explode when struck hard enuff).

Edited to add:
As for serious Fallout fanboys. I understand their woes; however I think they dont even try to get over the move to non-isometric and realtime. I agree that I wouldve like to see another Fallout done up old skool Iso- and Turn-based in glorious 3D, but as far as sequels go from another company over a decade after the last "true" sequel... this isnt that bad.

I think one HUGE difference I miss is that in 1 & 2, SPECIAL really defined your character and it forced you to think, act, play as this character you made since your abilities are so limited and diverse.

Never posted before but a long time fan. but just wanted to say love your work and keep it up. makes humpdays something to look-forward to.

this is actually quite an awesome review.

Hey fellow Zero Punctuation fans (and Yathzee, who knows),

I'd like to simply point-out that...well..the review was sort of off target. What I mean is that he didn't play the game right. Before getting all offended and replying my comment, let me explain.

Yathzee's supposed to do a review, meaning playing the game as it is and giving-out his opinion of it. Therefore, with how the difficulties are set, the only way to fully appreciate the essence of the game (meaning VERY LIMITED ressources, attacks needing a minimal use of strategy and enemies quite harder to dispose of (making the V.A.T.S a almost indispensable tool and the gamer able to actualy appreciate it)) is at very hard (being the most difficult setting). With the content of the video, I can guess that Yathzee played Fallout3 on normal or eaven easy difficulty setting (I really hope he wasen't noobish enough to go on very easy).

Point is, I was rather deceived when, eaventho the review was intertaining, I found myself watching a comment video about a game that's hardly been played for what it is. So Yathzee, how about changing the difficulty level (if possible in-game, good thing about Fallout3) when things seems rather too easy, to the point where you normaly should feel like you're missing-out on something?

This game was outstanding until the ending. Very disappointed.

thetragicclown:

derpa:

thetragicclown:

derpa:
Yea none of the fans would have liked it *eye roll*

I think you're a bit lost. You see, this is the Zero Punctuation forum.

The forums for never-satisfied, "It's not Van Buren!" Fallout "fans" are over here.

Hmmm, seems lots of people on here like to make assumptions, where did I say I never had any fun with fallout 3? hmmm?

Where did I accuse you of not having fun with it? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?

I'll point it out for you.

I still don't understand all the hate. People are holding this game up to some huge standard it could never really meet no matter what. Its true that this is diffent than the last two games but that does not have to be a bad thing. Once you remove the rose tinted glasses Fallout 2 had alot of things fans complained about when compared to one anyways. Personally I think that most of the gripes with Fallout 3 and with bathesda's work in general are kind of too hard. After all they went though the work of picking up a series that most of the fans would hate them for no matter what they did, dusting it off, and putting alot of effort into making a really good game. It is good too. How many other companies put this level of overall detail into a game anymore, especially with all the cries for 'better graphics' and 'more content' from everywhere. How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?

The days of the Pen and Paper Iso are gone unless one of you guys wants to get tools and make one. It saddens me too but if you refuse to look past it then your crushing all the fun out of a wonderful game before you even touch the keyboard. I'm not even going to pretend to understand the hate towards the Elder scroll games, but it seems that most of the people who feel that way hated Fallout 3 for not being like the other two anyways. This is not an episode 1-3 situation people. They kept the continuity fairly well, kept the feel, did quite a bit to try and make old fans happy which frankly almost seems like a wasted effort for most fans.

I am sorry to say but the way I see it those who seem to have serious complaint about the game, well, I'm sorry to say that anything done by anyone but Black Isle was never going to be good enough and the game lost the ability to be fun for you when you heard about it it seems. You know this is a good reason though for people to homebrew Fallout into their favorite pen and paper system though as it would finally make those people happy.

TerraMGP:
I still don't understand all the hate. People are holding this game up to some huge standard it could never really meet no matter what. Its true that this is diffent than the last two games but that does not have to be a bad thing. Once you remove the rose tinted glasses Fallout 2 had alot of things fans complained about when compared to one anyways. Personally I think that most of the gripes with Fallout 3 and with bathesda's work in general are kind of too hard. After all they went though the work of picking up a series that most of the fans would hate them for no matter what they did, dusting it off, and putting alot of effort into making a really good game. It is good too. How many other companies put this level of overall detail into a game anymore, especially with all the cries for 'better graphics' and 'more content' from everywhere. How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?

The days of the Pen and Paper Iso are gone unless one of you guys wants to get tools and make one. It saddens me too but if you refuse to look past it then your crushing all the fun out of a wonderful game before you even touch the keyboard. I'm not even going to pretend to understand the hate towards the Elder scroll games, but it seems that most of the people who feel that way hated Fallout 3 for not being like the other two anyways. This is not an episode 1-3 situation people. They kept the continuity fairly well, kept the feel, did quite a bit to try and make old fans happy which frankly almost seems like a wasted effort for most fans.

I am sorry to say but the way I see it those who seem to have serious complaint about the game, well, I'm sorry to say that anything done by anyone but Black Isle was never going to be good enough and the game lost the ability to be fun for you when you heard about it it seems. You know this is a good reason though for people to homebrew Fallout into their favorite pen and paper system though as it would finally make those people happy.

All the important gripe can be summed in Beth going for a action/shooter rather then a good RPG.

Also big time ROFL at, "How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?"

Also no need for the excuse at the end, that only Black Isle could have only done it. Also think be better if they made released let Black Isle finished Van Buren or had Beth not got all uptight about the little project some small group of guys where making.

derpa:

All the important gripe can be summed in Beth going for a action/shooter rather then a good RPG.

And the fact that Fallout 3 doesn't even work particularly well as an action/shooter, either.

Yeah that review was pretty good. Ahurhurhur, get it?

Bring back the unique intro music Yahtzee, it made your old reviews all the more wittier.

You know there is no point in arguing this. If you guys want to make yoruselves miserable by ripping apart the game bit by bit over small things and convincing yourselves that its not good then really your only hurting yourselves. Bethesda makes good games. I personally adore the large open ended world thing and the do it really well in real time. I love the old games, but Oblivion and Fallout 3 are great games.

I will say this though. If your capable of keeping your standards realistic and not projecting hatred onto a game for the 'indie reason to hate it' you may find that alot of those games are actually fun. In the end isn't that the point?

HE LIKES THIEF! OMGOMGOMG! I AM CUMZING!

TerraMGP:
I still don't understand all the hate. People are holding this game up to some huge standard it could never really meet no matter what. Its true that this is diffent than the last two games but that does not have to be a bad thing. Once you remove the rose tinted glasses Fallout 2 had alot of things fans complained about when compared to one anyways. Personally I think that most of the gripes with Fallout 3 and with bathesda's work in general are kind of too hard. After all they went though the work of picking up a series that most of the fans would hate them for no matter what they did, dusting it off, and putting alot of effort into making a really good game. It is good too. How many other companies put this level of overall detail into a game anymore, especially with all the cries for 'better graphics' and 'more content' from everywhere. How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?

The days of the Pen and Paper Iso are gone unless one of you guys wants to get tools and make one. It saddens me too but if you refuse to look past it then your crushing all the fun out of a wonderful game before you even touch the keyboard. I'm not even going to pretend to understand the hate towards the Elder scroll games, but it seems that most of the people who feel that way hated Fallout 3 for not being like the other two anyways. This is not an episode 1-3 situation people. They kept the continuity fairly well, kept the feel, did quite a bit to try and make old fans happy which frankly almost seems like a wasted effort for most fans.

I am sorry to say but the way I see it those who seem to have serious complaint about the game, well, I'm sorry to say that anything done by anyone but Black Isle was never going to be good enough and the game lost the ability to be fun for you when you heard about it it seems. You know this is a good reason though for people to homebrew Fallout into their favorite pen and paper system though as it would finally make those people happy.

You sir, have a way of putting things on paper that I can't be bothered pointing out to people. I couldn't agree any more with all of your statements so far, it just irks me to no end that people had this certain game in their minds and they're just pissed it didn't get done to what they thought it should be. I shall name it 'Fanboi Tunnel Vision'.

Bethesda doing what they have done with the game opened up their target market by shitloads. I've seen so many comments stating that people will now buy this game even though they weren't fans of the previous isometric view games.

Imagine if GTA kept its top down view?

Bli$$ard on the other hand has done exactly what the fans want and kept their game to the same viewpoint as the previous 2. I'm happy enough with that as they probably have the sales figures to back up keeping it that way.

well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.

But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.

Black Ice:

DeusFps:
Review far cry 2 next?

That won't be disastrous. Oh wait, he called Fallout 3's environments monotonous...

Haven't played Fallout 3 yet for comparison, but yep, totally agree Ice. For his sanity I definitely recommend Yahtzee keeps finding something else to come out to keep him away from FarCry 2.

Spot on Sir, spot on.

Wow, he liked it? That's actually pretty extreme.

"And if you let it take you in, you'll be swimming in it 'til your eyes fall out... FALLOUT 3 that is."

That was just pure genius!

By the way, I'm too scared to buy Fallout 3 cause I'm afraid it'll steal 500 hours of my life away.

I have been wondering how you were going to review this game for weeks now.. Well done!

I think it's time for Yahtzee to release reviews bi-weekly.

So

TerraMGP:
well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.

But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.

Yeah so, all the other flaws that a bunch of people are complaining about don't exist then?

lol wut?

Its not the fact that its third person that bothers me, its the lame fucking ai,storyline, and illogical design choices that make me think that game barely elevates itself about "meh"
The question is, what more do you want from fans of the original? Do you want us tugging on bethesda's salty sack and run around proclaiming it's the second coming?

Boo hoo we have complaints, no game is perfect, we never figured fallout 3 would be. But when they've had 4 years, and still manage to fuck up as much as they did, you have to wonder maybe they spent to much of that time with pr.

I was expecting more of a review since this game had so many flaws. He isnt very consistent or tactful in his past reviews. I dont know if its all the games coming out or the people bugging him and telling him what to do. He didnt mention that this game got a 10/10 by some magazines and he doesnt put it down for that, yet...he will bash Halo 3 for that reason. 8/ Doesnt make much sense why he doesnt go full throttle with the hate? There is so much obvious bad things in this game maybe he doesnt even want to bother, so he nitpicks on things that only matter to him, like IMMERSION and LIAM NESSON and the Oblivion copy paste thingy (really, who doesnt know all about the Obvilion engine being reused again.) He could have at least mentioned, when using VATS, you have trouble trying to select a body part i want on the Xbox 360, if the percentage is 95% and you will still miss or even if there is a object in the way, when selecting mutiple targets why does he have to concentrate his fire on one guy and do the same thing AGAIN for the other enemy. Why dont they just combine the animation? Another thing............. NO SEX OR CHILD KILLING! The list goes on and on. I dont see possibly how this could be a sequel to the other Fallout games. Fallout fans should steer clear from this game because the ending will make the entire time you spent on the game like a waste of time. Better luck for Fallout 4 or maybe remaking Fallout 1 would be nice too.

Pablosdog:
So

TerraMGP:
well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.

But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.

Yeah so, all the other flaws that a bunch of people are complaining about don't exist then?

lol wut?

Its not the fact that its third person that bothers me, its the lame fucking ai,storyline, and illogical design choices that make me think that game barely elevates itself about "meh"
The question is, what more do you want from fans of the original? Do you want us tugging on bethesda's salty sack and run around proclaiming it's the second coming?

Boo hoo we have complaints, no game is perfect, we never figured fallout 3 would be. But when they've had 4 years, and still manage to fuck up as much as they did, you have to wonder maybe they spent to much of that time with pr.

I want you to accept that maybe, just maybe, its not so much a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to the original' and more a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to my unrealistic, Idealized view of the original'. Your right, people have alot of complaints about the game but frankly these seem to be similar to complaints some people had about 2. People complain about the story for example. You know if you look hard enough you will find inconsistancies in the first two games with the story and side quest stories as well. As for the AI what do you want exactly? A massive open world where each foe knows how to skulk around and then shoot you from behind while two teammates distract you?

The fact is that All of the fallout games like every other game in human history have flaws. This game just got ripped apart and seen as 'barely above meh' because its not VB and because its popular for the people who consider themselves Indie to not like Oblivion. There was nothing game breakingly bad about Fallout 3 and it kept the Mythos alive very well. Yes many games today are utter tripe but this was not. Its just that between the people trying to be cool by bashing bathesda and the people who will never be happy with a Fallout 3 no matter who makes it because it won't scratch that Nostalgia itch the game really doesn't stand a chance with the overly vocal 1% who are going to highlight every single thing that could be considered wrong with it regardless of how every other game past and present can be picked apart with at least as many flaws.

As for 360 problems for the game, well, why are you trying to play ANY game with a first person mode on a controller? honestly.

TerraMGP:

Pablosdog:
So

TerraMGP:
well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.

But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.

Yeah so, all the other flaws that a bunch of people are complaining about don't exist then?

lol wut?

Its not the fact that its third person that bothers me, its the lame fucking ai,storyline, and illogical design choices that make me think that game barely elevates itself about "meh"
The question is, what more do you want from fans of the original? Do you want us tugging on bethesda's salty sack and run around proclaiming it's the second coming?

Boo hoo we have complaints, no game is perfect, we never figured fallout 3 would be. But when they've had 4 years, and still manage to fuck up as much as they did, you have to wonder maybe they spent to much of that time with pr.

I want you to accept that maybe, just maybe, its not so much a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to the original' and more a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to my unrealistic, Idealized view of the original'. Your right, people have alot of complaints about the game but frankly these seem to be similar to complaints some people had about 2. People complain about the story for example. You know if you look hard enough you will find inconsistancies in the first two games with the story and side quest stories as well. As for the AI what do you want exactly? A massive open world where each foe knows how to skulk around and then shoot you from behind while two teammates distract you?

The fact is that All of the fallout games like every other game in human history have flaws. This game just got ripped apart and seen as 'barely above meh' because its not VB and because its popular for the people who consider themselves Indie to not like Oblivion. There was nothing game breakingly bad about Fallout 3 and it kept the Mythos alive very well. Yes many games today are utter tripe but this was not. Its just that between the people trying to be cool by bashing bathesda and the people who will never be happy with a Fallout 3 no matter who makes it because it won't scratch that Nostalgia itch the game really doesn't stand a chance with the overly vocal 1% who are going to highlight every single thing that could be considered wrong with it regardless of how every other game past and present can be picked apart with at least as many flaws.

As for 360 problems for the game, well, why are you trying to play ANY game with a first person mode on a controller? honestly.

You aren't getting the point, and no one is "indie" for not liking oblivion, that's utter drivel and you know it. Oblivion was a flawed game, it had less skills and again like fallout 3 had horrible ai, a horrible storyline and yes broken characters(every character could pretty much do every quest). Just because a game is beloved by the masses doesn't ignore the faults that it has. Fallout was largely a realstic depiction of a world gone sour. This is a suger coated game that just happens to have the fallout name.

I mean, when the creators themselves said that they made fallout strictly in mind to be isometric, turn based and complex. Figure out how bethesda fucked up, and in a way fucked them over from ever making a sequel to a game THEY FUCKING CREATED. No one is comparing this to vb, vb is long dead. What we are comparing it to, is and should be, how good it is compared to the originals. It's like you frown upon any sort of criticism to a game you like. Fallout 1 and 2 had there problems, but you know, since they were good enough for bethesda to steal the i.p away, they must have been worth something right?

Also, where the fuck did I complain about 360 problems relating to fallout 3?

Pablosdog:

TerraMGP:

Pablosdog:
So

TerraMGP:
well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.

But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.

Yeah so, all the other flaws that a bunch of people are complaining about don't exist then?

lol wut?

Its not the fact that its third person that bothers me, its the lame fucking ai,storyline, and illogical design choices that make me think that game barely elevates itself about "meh"
The question is, what more do you want from fans of the original? Do you want us tugging on bethesda's salty sack and run around proclaiming it's the second coming?

Boo hoo we have complaints, no game is perfect, we never figured fallout 3 would be. But when they've had 4 years, and still manage to fuck up as much as they did, you have to wonder maybe they spent to much of that time with pr.

I want you to accept that maybe, just maybe, its not so much a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to the original' and more a matter of 'The game doesn't live up to my unrealistic, Idealized view of the original'. Your right, people have alot of complaints about the game but frankly these seem to be similar to complaints some people had about 2. People complain about the story for example. You know if you look hard enough you will find inconsistancies in the first two games with the story and side quest stories as well. As for the AI what do you want exactly? A massive open world where each foe knows how to skulk around and then shoot you from behind while two teammates distract you?

The fact is that All of the fallout games like every other game in human history have flaws. This game just got ripped apart and seen as 'barely above meh' because its not VB and because its popular for the people who consider themselves Indie to not like Oblivion. There was nothing game breakingly bad about Fallout 3 and it kept the Mythos alive very well. Yes many games today are utter tripe but this was not. Its just that between the people trying to be cool by bashing bathesda and the people who will never be happy with a Fallout 3 no matter who makes it because it won't scratch that Nostalgia itch the game really doesn't stand a chance with the overly vocal 1% who are going to highlight every single thing that could be considered wrong with it regardless of how every other game past and present can be picked apart with at least as many flaws.

As for 360 problems for the game, well, why are you trying to play ANY game with a first person mode on a controller? honestly.

You aren't getting the point, and no one is "indie" for not liking oblivion, that's utter drivel and you know it. Oblivion was a flawed game, it had less skills and again like fallout 3 had horrible ai, a horrible storyline and yes broken characters(every character could pretty much do every quest). Just because a game is beloved by the masses doesn't ignore the faults that it has. Fallout was largely a realstic depiction of a world gone sour. This is a suger coated game that just happens to have the fallout name.

I mean, when the creators themselves said that they made fallout strictly in mind to be isometric, turn based and complex. Figure out how bethesda fucked up, and in a way fucked them over from ever making a sequel to a game THEY FUCKING CREATED. No one is comparing this to vb, vb is long dead. What we are comparing it to, is and should be, how good it is compared to the originals. It's like you frown upon any sort of criticism to a game you like. Fallout 1 and 2 had there problems, but you know, since they were good enough for bethesda to steal the i.p away, they must have been worth something right?

Also, where the fuck did I complain about 360 problems relating to fallout 3?

First the 360 refrence was not meant to be aimed at you, but the guy who posted after you. Apparenlty this forum does not like my quoting things.

But what I am trying to say is that a games popularity with the masses may be no reason to love it, but its also no reason to needlessly rip it apart. I fully admit the MAIN story of Oblivion was not as good as it could have been, but then that is part of what made it good. all the other stories were great. The side quests made the world feel more like a world. Yes they could put a better carrot on the stick but maybe instead of complaining about that people should start looking away from that carrot and enjoying the walk. Oblivion was a good game because it was fun. I liked the fighters guild quests, mages guild quests, knights of the nine quest, pretty much everything other than the way the main quest ended, up until the end, I adored.

I agree, Isometric Tabletop translation needs to come back, but as much as I would like to see that I have to admit when a game is good. Sure it has AI flaws but for a massive world it does well. Sure the main story falls a bit flat but the side stories and the sandbox of the world feels wonderful and fits the Fallout feel. Putting more scrutiny to a game because its popular or because it deviates from the way its predecessors worked is no more productive than excusing massive glaring flaws in a game. Fallout 3 had none.

You can rip the fun out of any game if you try hard enough, and I have the feeling that most everyone who is upset with it was convinced from the start it was going to be bad, and never gave themselves a chance to be open minded about it. I would bet that most of the detractors came into it wanting it to be bad, wanting Bethesda to be at fault. I love Fallout, I love the real Baulders gate, I love revenant and I am a tabletop gamer. Oblivion is still fun, Fallout 3 is still fun and both keep with their well established backstory, mythology and feel of the setting.

But frankly if people want to rip the fun out of the game for themselves I suppose thats their choice. Me I'll be playing Fallout 3, and working on writing up some tabletop rules since I'm sure anything produced to be 'almost like it' is a bit off for my taste.

I'm a huge fan of your reviews, but I felt like you've played the game for 10 minutes and based your review on what's written around the net.

Also, to all the people who say Fallout 1/2 fans are *insert whatever here*: I am a huge Fallout 1/2 fan and I actually liked FO3. I think the graphics were pretty good in FO3 (despite some minor design flaws like intact cities after 200 years, hehe) and the real-time / aimed shot thing never got old.

I have seen good things and I have seen bad things in this game.

Good:
- You get to see things in 3D, cool explosions (that nuke's explosion was great), etc.
- Good level design... great mood in the "dungeons".
- Many interesting characters / places. New content for the FO universe.
- Bizarre aimed shot / RTS mix that was actually pretty entertaining. Raiders falling from windows like bandits in western movies. :D

Bad:
- "Boo hoo I'm a villain!" characters and vampires. Oh man... vampires. Heh-heh. Some of the writing really sucks.
- A whole semantic layer is gone, and a lot of the dark humor and irony went away along with it. There are no item descriptions, no scenary descriptions, etc.
- The ending sucks. They said FO3 had 200 endings, no wait a thousand, NO A MILLION ENDINGS MWAHAHAHA all your endings are belong to us!!! - oops, sorry for that. What I meant is: so what the hell happened to the world after all my char's running around?

Finally, I'm still trying to understand why Bethesda decided to buy the Fallout franchise instead of just creating its own. I don't think the game would have sold less, and they wouldn't have angered so many fans/fanboys/whatever.

Also, playing FO3 made me apreciate Blizzard a bit more. I always thought: "bah, can't they make something new instead of the same old games?" But know what? That shows a bit of respect for the hardcore fans.

Also, the guy who said this game can be played like FO 1/2 has obviously never played those games and is just trying to act cool and start a flame war. Pissing in a sea of piss never gets old, I guess.

fallouts ending seemed anti climatic to me :/

i woulda liked it better if it was called "fallout adventures" or something like that...
i dont mind off-shoots in the fallout universe that explore different game styles...
i loved tactics...
but if its calling itself fallout 3... it shoulda been a real rpg.

anyways. yes beth did put tons of detail into the game... unfortunatly they didnt bother putting in much effort for the story or the dialogue or the setting. seriously... if we had a nuclear war tomorrow... any of us who survived would be fighting to survive however we could. and there would be bandits and raiders and so on.. as well as people banding together trying to make a decent life... (just like in fallout 3). however... our children would not have known life before the nukes... and thus would consider all this normal. and they would move on... in fallout 3 everyone still seems to be like "holy shit the world just ended!" and trying to scrape together without any cohesion or plans.

anyways. to sum it up. detail is good. but its poorly thought out.

Another great video.

i hope he either does LBP,or left 4 dead, or he woodsheds Sonic unleashed and reveal it as another fan game.