Jimquisition: PS4 - Doing Nothing, Meaning Everything

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Well said Jim. Bravo.

008Zulu:

chozo_hybrid:
All this talk of cloud gaming and such make me wonder how quick my bandwidth would be used up by Xbox One, that's another thing that other countries have to worry about. These are things that someone with internet in other countries have to worry about, there will be problems.

Xbone will require, at minimum (it appears), a 1.5mb/s connection. For comparison, my phone has about an 8mb/s (at the best of times, horrible data plan [meh]). I downloaded a 1gb file in about 6 minutes. Cloud gaming could conceivably use 3-4gb per day depending on your usage.

Questing as i've never hear it vocalized. Is the 1.5mb/s connection required for XBox One a megabit or megabyte connection?

I can tell you now if it's megabyte then Australia is pretty much out for 2 -3 years of ever using this thing, unless one is lucky enough to be in an area that already has fiber connectivity. I could count on one hand the amount of times i've managed to get 1.5mb/second transfer with combined up and down.

A normal day in the PS4 marketing department:
1. Come to work.
2. Look up what Microsoft is doing.
3. Smile.
4. Go home.
5. Another successful day.

M$'s Xbone, and it's policies... I couldn't say it better, by kissing the boot of the publishers, M$ had declared the war on (not SONY, not nintendo, not apple, but no) YOU; the consumers... yes, the very people who are actually PAYING FOR EVERY STINKY BREATH COMING OUT FROM THIS CORRUPTED INDUSTRIES ASS-MOUTH...

One thing, I hated as I was young, my mother calls video-games as "DRUGS", I had always refuted it harshly, telling her that it was totally just having fun, like a toy for older people.... simply a hobby, like movie watching... But lately, after the M$ revealing... I wondered... the steps this industry took to "get control over our wallet"... isn't it "like drug"? First, it was free, then, little money, then price go up, then they want us to jump hoops to get more, now they want us to check up daily, and have registry... Even paid, AAA games have strings attached... like Jim said a while ago... You don't OWN the game you spent 60 bux to buy, you get license to run/play it.

I call piracy a lie/myth/conspiracy cooked up by the publishers, it MAY damage the sales, but when a company makes a game, and millions of copies sold, but they still claim it came "short", something is wrong... it's not that people are not buying, it's NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE BUYING to satisfy the company's dream...

simwaroar5:

{theultimateend}:
Ok I'll bite.

What does the Xbox One provide me that my Gaming PC that does not?
better.

Also for anyone that had a Kinect at the time, hoe cool was it to be able to yell "FUS RO DAH" to use shouts. It has its benefits. I am looking forward to the day it becomes the home Jarvis.

Yeah, ThuuMic was pretty fu...

Kinect?

I thought you were talking about the Mod.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/5626/?

WWmelb:
Questing as i've never hear it vocalized. Is the 1.5mb/s connection required for XBox One a megabit or megabyte connection?

I can tell you now if it's megabyte then Australia is pretty much out for 2 -3 years of ever using this thing, unless one is lucky enough to be in an area that already has fiber connectivity. I could count on one hand the amount of times i've managed to get 1.5mb/second transfer with combined up and down.

Interesting first question. I would think megabyte due to the data being transmitted. In Australia, you'd likely be fine if you were in either Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. Adelaide is a hit and miss affair from what I'm told. I have only gotten the speeds I mentioned because I am right on the edge of the 4G envelope from my nearby airport.

But yeah, most (80-85%) of Microsoft's current consumer base in Australia probably won't be getting the Xbone because of these speeds.

Another great vid with excellent points made Jim. I especially enjoyed your rendition of "Yeah" by Usher.

008Zulu:

thanatos388:
While you can still share disc based games you cannot game share and sony will most definitely move in a more digital centered market in the near future.

Once the global internet structure can handle it, yes they will. But they are smart enough to know the world's internet is less than perfect.

Right like Microsoft. I think if they feel they can push digital distribution they will as much as they can. They just won't be the pricks MS was about it and try to shove it down our mouths ASAP.

008Zulu:

WWmelb:
Questing as i've never hear it vocalized. Is the 1.5mb/s connection required for XBox One a megabit or megabyte connection?

I can tell you now if it's megabyte then Australia is pretty much out for 2 -3 years of ever using this thing, unless one is lucky enough to be in an area that already has fiber connectivity. I could count on one hand the amount of times i've managed to get 1.5mb/second transfer with combined up and down.

Interesting first question. I would think megabyte due to the data being transmitted. In Australia, you'd likely be fine if you were in either Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. Adelaide is a hit and miss affair from what I'm told. I have only gotten the speeds I mentioned because I am right on the edge of the 4G envelope from my nearby airport.

But yeah, most (80-85%) of Microsoft's current consumer base in Australia probably won't be getting the Xbone because of these speeds.

Living in melbourne, my average speed (combined down/up) is around 1.1mb/s. And that is when downloading from stable servers, soo.. i'd be screwed.

I'm actually disappointed by all this shit around this console, it's the first time some of the exclusives on xbox have actually made me interested in the console, but alas, no project spark for me :( Can't tolerate. Don't want.

captcha: red herring... hrmm oh really...

anthony87:

DTWolfwood:
Could have mentioned the one downside to the whole thing, having to pay for multiplayer now.

Microsoft just straight up gave its customers the middle finger and ram its cock into their asses! Sony was kind enough to buy their customers dinner before just slipping in the tip :P

Even with that there's a couple of....silver linings? Yes you have to pay but PS+ is cheaper, gives you PS Store discounts and you get monthly free games.

Plus while it's needed to play online multiplayer that only counts for games you buy, you won't need a subscription to play any of the F2P games.

Look you don't have to justify it to me i know PS+ is a better deal. I've never played online games with my console so its not even an issue with me. PS4 is the superior product in all respect. Just in the name of fairness, it should have been noted. What once was free now isn't.

This is exactly what I've been saying since the Sony E3 conference. They're being praised for not trying to shove barbed wire up our asses. They're heroes for doing absolutely nothing.

Dead Century:

Loki_The_Good:

MichaelMaverick:
People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

I love how defense for Microsoft has now devolved from justifying there terrible practices to trying to convince everybody that Sony will be just as bad at some fixed date. It's like "hey guys I know candidate A is going to make cutting off hands mandatory but vote for him anyways because even though candidate B is promising free puppies instead I think he'll eventually come on board to beheadings". Well you know what even if that's true (and I think that's more of a wishful assumption or overt cynisism) I'll take the two years of puppies to an immediate beheading any day of the week.

I fail to see how that's defense for Microsoft. I never put trust in any major corporation. Sony, Microsoft, or otherwise. Simple. Some cynicism is healthy. Sony's perfectly capable of doing similar tactics. But I don't think it's in their best interest right now.

It's a defense in that they're all the same in the end so theirs no reason not to buy an xbox mentality. As for trust like I said it's not about trust. It's about doing what you can with the information you have at the time. Maybe they will maybe they won't. I don't trust them to never do it. I just want to take advantage of it so long as they aren't.

MichaelMaverick:
People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

That depends entirely on how many people are cool about what Microsoft is doing. You know why Sony now is ok with charging people with online gaming? Because Players are cool with it. They are thinking it's fine to pay extra fee for Microsoft just so that they can use some party chat and play online.

If players choose to buy Microsoft's console and they are ok with DRM they are ok with always online and such. I guess I can see Sony turning around. It really is upto what players want.

So if you don't want that to happen, buy something else than XboxOne. Because if Sony finds this strategy working, it WILL continue doing it. If they won't, people will abandon the ship for sure.

CrossLOPER:
I think the truth is far darker....

In what way is this "darker", this is business at work! This is seriously what is always happening behind the scenes, and if you don't believe me go read any articles on MTV vs Much Music(or VH1 before an aggresive buyout) or Disney channel vs. Nickelodeon.

Yes, businesses target other businesses, but how is that "evil". That is the competition, and if the competition does something that could be considered unintelligent, you don't politely inform them, you kick their feet out from under them. I don't support Capitalism, I think it's a draconic and sad state of affairs to let greed be a determinant of power. Once upon a time it was important to civilization that business have the chance to bloom, but it's gone far enough.

However, I UNDERSTAND it. This is standard business practice 101, and where as it's interesting, it's not anything new, different, or creepy. If Sony was putting brainwashing chemicals in the water, that would be evil, them attacking Microsoft to get the love of the people? Standard practice: Microsoft has indirectly attacked the playerbase, and Sony ran with that info and managed to throw a pie in Microsoft's face. It's almost exactly like politics, and there a politician can find a reason to attack another politician EVEN WHEN NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG!!!(Just look up all the idiots who think Obama messed up in the middle east by not supporting the good guys...WHAT GOOD GUYS! ARE WE IN A COMIC BOOK!?!?!?)

Shdwrnr:

Mick P.:

Shdwrnr:
Does nobody remember the last time Sony promised a feature that people got really excited about? How are those Linux PS3's doing now anyway?

I installed Linux on mine. But it was a lot of work to switch between Linux and Xross. In Linux there were no hardware accelerated 3D graphics drivers. Last I checked that hadn't changed.

If anyone knows otherwise, please quote this so I will see your reply in the site's PM inbox.

The point was that OtherOS was a feature that Sony promised. They created it, they shipped it, then they changed their minds and stripped it out in a firmware update and started litigation on an enthusiest who showed people how to do it anyway. Sony has made promises of features in the past and thought nothing of tearing them away from you even post purchase. I don't see how people can trust their claims now after seeing what they think of their own promises.

hermes200:

MichaelMaverick:
People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

Perhaps, but so far we have no reason to believe so.

See above.

All this could be seen as an accident that Sony has spent much time righting. In fact, one of the reasons they obviously want to move to PS4 is all the MISTAKES on the PS3. Just so you know, the PS3 was my system last generation, and I'm probably going to wait for all THREE(because I'm honestly most impressed with the wiiu after playing it at my friends house, just Nintendo Land was a blast with hours of unlockables and very different gameplay from anything I've experienced. It's really not just another wii resort) until I see how the market goes, which I did with PS3, meaning I bought it when it was 300 for the best model, and they had fully paved out what they were offering.

All that said, the OtherOS option pissed me off too, but not as much as Microsoft's policy of charging me again for the internet I was already purchasing(something that may throw me off the PS4, but we'll see how they handle PS+ moving forward, if it still feels like being part of a cool club with free games and content, consider me all in.), so I got it anyway knowing it's primary purpose was going to be playing games.

Now, the REASON Sony made those decisions become obvious as you watch the shit storm that came after, the PS3 was a complicated system with holes all through it's infrastructure, and the company became very afraid of it being cracked and their industry secrets being destroyed. They made harsh decisions to protect, harsh decisions that are not easily forgiven for sure, but it's not the same situation at all.

After that generation Sony coming out and saying, "we don't want to attack our customers" is kind of them taking the first step in rectifying a long line of mistakes, and I can respect that. I don't think it's worth going to X-Bone(yeah, nice "NEXTBOX", real clever trying to give it a nice nickname) just because Sony made mistakes 5 years ago(longer probably but I ruled on the other side because I didn't want to look things up), I think these promises are the right move for Sony, and I'll probably wait a couple of years to see what is what.

MichaelMaverick:
People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

you misspelled Microsoft.

completely understandable though, Microsoft does act as if everyone who wants a Cable Box are dumb enough to have a video and voice recorder in their living room.

But it's okay, because it wont do anything you dont expressively allow it to do*.

bet you anything the EULA automatically allows the Kinect to do things, but it's okay, to turn off those restrictions features, you simply dont agree to the EULA and continue enjoying your brick of a console.

OT: It's sad when the best thing out of E3 is an announcement that a console developer is going to continue doing what it did in the last generation mechanics wise.

Thankfully Microsoft already told me that I should keep my 360, that if I only want to play games I should get a PS4, and that I'm not a real person because my internet sucks.

WWmelb:
Questing as i've never hear it vocalized. Is the 1.5mb/s connection required for XBox One a megabit or megabyte connection?

People really need to learn how to use units properly.

M = Mega
m = Milli
B = Byte
b = Bit

1.5mb/s doesn't make any sense - who would measure something in thousandths of a bit? It should be 1.5Mb/s.

Similarly, one megabyte is 1MB, not 1mb.

The standard unit for network throughput is in bits per second, not bytes. So, when people are abusing their units with improper capitalization, it's probably best to assume that mbps or mb/s are referring to bits (or assume that the person improperly using these units doesn't know what they are talking about).

Big_Isaac:
what do you think about Nintendo's more snarky remark "if you're worried about used games sales, make better games"?

If the Wii-U had more games in its Library, people wouldn't desperately hold onto anything that's good. Oh yes, I went there. I'm classy like that.

MichaelMaverick:
People are way more unjustified in applauding this. A year or two after launch, Sony's pulling a 180. Mark my words.

Possibly. Currently, my bathroom reading is an old OPM where Jack Tretton was claiming that the Cell would be easy to program for as long as you knew basic C/C+. As with many things about the PS3 that corporate was saying at launch, that turned out to be a lie. Then there are the other issues such as the whole credit card thing and Sony's marketing department being completely incompetent for both the PSP and the PS3 at the time of the PS3 launch.

But that doesn't matter. IF Sony pulls a 180, there will be time to rip them apart then Right now, while Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot to the point that it's hard to believe that Microsoft is not deliberately trying to sabotage itself, Sony has their act together. Their marketing is on track and they're taking note of what the market wants.

Maybe Sony will pull a 180. In fact, if the Wii U and the Xbone continue to flounder as badly as they are, it is not unreasonable to see the next-gen console race end up as a one-horse race. If that happens, Sony certainly will pull a 180.

But that's only a possible future. The present situation is that Sony is currently the best choice for the next-gen market and they're doing it through clever marketing and not screwing the customer over. Until there's any evidence of Sony pulling a 180, the applause is still somewhat justified.

I would go as far to say that it is doing something great by not giving into this greed, but your explanation is good too.

Love the ending, reminded me of Roger Waters in The Trial and you ended with a perfect fuck you.

Isn't it possible to use steam on the consoles? if valve bring game sharing to its steam program then the xbox one might just be the better choice (for me atleast). Now I don't own a console, and haven't owned one the last decade, but if steam add's game sharing (and if the xbox one can use steam) then I would probably be interested in buying one.

I hate having physical copies of my games, as the cd's always end up with a few scratches not to mention the number of a cd keys i've lost simply because I moved to a new home and the manual to the game somehow got lost or thrown away in the mess.

Sofus:
Isn't it possible to use steam on the consoles?

That is never going to happen. I recall Gabe Newell stating that MS tries to nickel and dime developers every time they try to add digital content to any of their games. Wither it be patches, DLC or updates. This is the reason why the orange box and Left4dead have no DLC updates. I also recall a similar thing for Fez when it was released.

Besides, Xbox live is already an online client. Why would MS allow a competitor service on its own device.

MrHide-Patten:

Big_Isaac:
what do you think about Nintendo's more snarky remark "if you're worried about used games sales, make better games"?

If the Wii-U had more games in its Library, people wouldn't desperately hold onto anything that's good. Oh yes, I went there. I'm classy like that.

If other companies made games with even remotely as much replayability, I'd consider this a good argument. There's just one problem. They generally don't. Want proof? Go look at the yearly sales for any notable Wii game from the console's early days. Mario Kart Wii and Brawl are still selling well, 5-7 years after launch. That's because they're still good.

Besides your whole argument hinges on the idea that anyone /needs/ to buy a Wii U to play Nintendo games, or that Nintendo is even relying on the Wii U to make them money. Your whole argument falls apart, because all we have to do is occupy our time with the 3DS and whatever else we feel like playing until the Wii U has a good enough gaming library, which for me, is around the last three months of the year.

ugxwolf:

If other companies made games with even remotely as much replayability, I'd consider this a good argument. There's just one problem. They generally don't. Want proof? Go look at the yearly sales for any notable Wii game from the console's early days. Mario Kart Wii and Brawl are still selling well, 5-7 years after launch. That's because they're still good.

Besides your whole argument hinges on the idea that anyone /needs/ to buy a Wii U to play Nintendo games, or that Nintendo is even relying on the Wii U to make them money. Your whole argument falls apart, because all we have to do is occupy our time with the 3DS and whatever else we feel like playing until the Wii U has a good enough gaming library, which for me, is around the last three months of the year.

Besides the fact I was being hyperbolic, if I was a retailer and some family bought a really cheap console (the Wii) the selection of games I would recommend them would be rather slim, only an asshole would push shovel ware (which the Wii has in droves). So yeah of course those games still sell, fuck any game still sells well that had a positive reception.

I'm not getting the Wii-U personally because there's nothing there that makes me jump out of my seat to buy it. It also suffers from having a gimmick that's harder to market than the Wii's motion controls, and the whole tablet market has been dominated by Apple and Android devices. I don't see the lightning striking twice, and whilst their initiative to get more 3rd party dev's interested is good, it's undone by the PS4 and Xbox 1 being vastly more powerful than it, leaving it on the same position the Wii was in.

If the system came out with a genuine Mario game (like 64, Sunshine, or Galaxy), Legend of Zelda, or a Metroid game. People would be really jumping onto it. I bought the Wii because I thought Twilight Princess looked cool, and Metroid Prime 3 is one of my favorite games from this gen. So I'm not railing against Nintendo here out of spite or something, just walking by a restaurant that's serving breakfast at lunch.

It's funny because realistically Sony had no other option than doing nothing. The most you can be thankful for is that they're not equally as retarded as Microsoft. I don't begrudge them their dressing it up as an act of kindness they went out of their way to do, but everyone who ate that PR bullshit up is shallow and should probably explode themselves.

Bit late in posting due to being away but all of this just makes me pleased for us as gamers. Microsoft was damning us and Sony kept the faith. Gave the standard we expected and the hope that this'll all be ok and we'll be treated resonably. They didn't do much but in a way they did a lot.

Amen Jim.
Microsoft is indeed against the consumer.
Or perhaps, more accurately, *for* corporations. Which nearly always falls against the consumer.

That Usher - Yeah showboat at the beginning was amazing.
Captcha: Spin doctor

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