Jim & Yahtzee's Rhymedown Spectacular: Where the Hype Ends

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Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.
Metaphor isn't as trenchant if you have to say "Metaphor!" at the end.

I feel like Jim tipped his hand as to his true opinion of the relative intelligence of The Escapist viewers.

[Edit]
I neglected to add that I really enjoyed both segments and despite my criticism I loved Jim's metaphor. Well done.

I took Jim's metaphor to be referring to Microsoft not understanding why people are so dissatisfied with the Xbox One reveal. Microsoft doesn't understand because they don't even like games, they just want to sell the thing that makes them the money.

Thisfellow:

Doesn't that leave both parties clueless, though? Let's say I were to champion the CoD dog to Jathzee(Someone slipped something in my drink in this scenario), neither of us would have any grounds to base our respective opinions off.

The thing is, you can be hyped without being dogmatic. A lot of such responses are to fairly reasonable complaints.

It's the simple things like that that bring a smile to my face. Better than any poetry I've read of late. Much thanks guys, well done.

Formica Archonis:

RoonMian:
Jim rhymed "fuck" with "fuck"...

Bad style...

:D

Hey, now, Dante did that with Jesus's name. You don't drag down the name of your messiah by rhyming with other words.:)

What are you trying to tell me? That you are a member of the cult of the holy fuck?

Edit: Oh no, now I get it. Jim is a member of the cult of the holy fuck. Yeah, that makes sense.

Sorry then, rhyming "fuck" with "fuck" is totally OK.

JoeyMousepadd:
Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.
Metaphor isn't as trenchant if you have to say "Metaphor!" at the end.

I feel like Jim tipped his hand as to his true opinion of the relative intelligence of The Escapist viewers.

[Edit]
I neglected to add that I really enjoyed both segments and despite my criticism I loved Jim's metaphor. Well done.

If I now have to explain the joke of me saying metaphor to you, will it make it less funny?

Thisfellow:

zerragonoss:

Thisfellow:

Doesn't that leave both parties clueless, though? Let's say I were to champion the CoD dog to Jathzee(Someone slipped something in my drink in this scenario), neither of us would have any grounds to base our respective opinions off.

Its probably fanatics defending things from reviewers/ journalists of which Jim is one. so the reviewer has played or at least played a sample of the game while the fanatics has not

Ah, I see. I wasn't aware Jim did that kind of thing.

No it doesn't have to do with fanatics fan boys. Listen to the last verse; he didn't eat the cheese because it gives him stomach pains.

Probably this poem goes to Publishers (even console manufacturers).
Releasing a game , advertise it to you like it is the best game ever played, and while you are not able to see why, while you have tried it (cause of personal taste among other things), they are attacking you. And if you ask them "ok, why this was the best game for you?" they reply "To be honest I haven't even played it, because games are not my thing"

Beast one so far! Both equal. :D Grats you two!

And before I forget it: YAY LUTES! Thanks Jim. :D

Faffing around on a horse in an open plain? I don't think that's really a complaint since it sounds a lot like another game that Yahtzee likes, a game that may include colossi and their shadows.

jokulhaups:
I took Jim's metaphor to be referring to Microsoft not understanding why people are so dissatisfied with the Xbox One reveal. Microsoft doesn't understand because they don't even like games, they just want to sell the thing that makes them the money.

Now its not.
Jim is a games reviewer for Destructoid. He has had his share of fanboy bashing for giving games a score that's lower than the fans expected and they decided to insult Jim over that without even having played the game.
It has nothing to do with developers or the XboxOne.

Just replace "Cheese" with "Call Of Duty" and "The Wanderer" with "a horde of deranged fanboys" and you'll get the metaphor.

ZZoMBiE13:
As is the status quo
For this here webby show
Yahtzee throws down
Jim acts the clown
And we will call them pros

(heh. prose. Get it?!?!)

:) Well played, sir. Well played.

Yahtzee's a gent from Down Under
Or Old Blighty or some place over yonder
He did limmericks
( Which I thought that was my schtick! )
Stole my Muse, woo'd her and won her.

Good thing Fuck rhymes with Fuck or this poetry shit would be hard

Is it just me, or does this show (miraculously enough) manage to just keep getting better and better?

I definitely liked Yahtzee's better this week. Sorry, I just love poetry that rhymes over those that dont. especially as this is called the "Rhymedown."

Jim's ending was just great though.

I'm pretty upset about Stephen Russell not voicing Garrett as well, but surely his character is preserved in the writing as much as the voice acting? Also, the gameplay for Thief looks quite good, from the demos I've seen from E3, and although it's been kinda casualised with focus mode, at least that's optional. They've kept all the things that made the originals great- water arrows, rope arrows, light gem, expansive levels etc., I'm really excited for it, personally. Just an opinion, though!

Desert Punk:
I definitely liked Yahtzee's better this week. Sorry, I just love poetry that rhymes over those that dont. especially as this is called the "Rhymedown."

Jim's ending was just great though.

I agree. I think Yahtzee is a better poet, his work tends to have better flow.
Yahtzee's the more traditional, "classy" poet, favoring form and style, whereas Jim's a more bombastic and freestyle "modern" poet,(if that makes sense) but they both bring their A-game to this series.

I thought this would be good for two or three episodes, but you are going from strength to strength (apart from Jim's singing) - keep up the good work!

JoeyMousepadd:
Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.
Metaphor isn't as trenchant if you have to say "Metaphor!" at the end.

If you thought he said it because it needed to be explained, the failure here is on you, not on Jim. Everyone intelligent knew it was a metaphor the entire time he was saying it.

FFP2:

CorvusFerreum:

I supose it was about someone rigorously championing something (like a game or a console) she/he hasn't even tried yet and insulting people for not liking it, at it seems usual on forums.

MowDownJoe:

More like fanboys in general who'll defend a game before its out.

Ahh, I see it now. Thanks guys!

I guess I didn't get Jim's poem because I was still laughing so hard from Yahtzee's spot-on limericks. Followed by the weird sideways limbo he did!

Impluse_101:
Jim sounded a lot like Wallace.

Oh my god I was just about to post that! Cheese Gromit!

"fuck you up your fucking fuck"
- Jim Sterling, Master Poet

Yeah, I think someone needs to tell Yahtzee that he's the only one who gives that much of a shit abut the 'share' button thing. The whole being able to record and share game footage thing has been around for years, why does he feel it's an issue on par with Xbox One DRM?

Apart from that, great poetry as usual. I like how Yahtzee did the straight criticism while Jim went for the bizarre metaphor, since it's usually the other way around on this show.

CorvusFerreum:
They deserve some flak as well.

Yeah for not having a bigger touch screen on the controller dammit. How I am supposed to view porn on that piddle little thing?

Aside from the usual "this show is brilliant" which by now goes without saying, I like how you can go through these videos and watch Yahtzee become increasingly confident in front of the camera every week.

Man Yahtzee why'd you have to remind me? Poor Angelina, her cleavage will be missed.

Thisfellow:

MowDownJoe:

FFP2:
I didn't get Jim's one :-(

Was it something to do with the Xbone?

More like fanboys in general who'll defend a game before its out.

Doesn't that leave both parties clueless, though? Let's say I were to champion the CoD dog to Jathzee(Someone slipped something in my drink in this scenario), neither of us would have any grounds to base our respective opinions off.

You don't have to prove a negative.

"This has not impressed me. It lacks anything that impresses me."

is a logical argument.

"Anyone who doesn't like this game I've never played is wrong!"

is a fallacy.

The former is a negative statement; a statement that something isn't.

The latter is a positive statement; a statement that something is, and yet the person has no reasoning to back it up.

Remus:
Man Yahtzee why'd you have to remind me? Poor Angelina, her cleavage will be missed.

I only just found out! Still cancer is a bitch. After some googling, I found out she had a boob job to cover it up. So good news I suppose.

Innegativeion:

Thisfellow:

MowDownJoe:

More like fanboys in general who'll defend a game before its out.

Doesn't that leave both parties clueless, though? Let's say I were to champion the CoD dog to Jathzee(Someone slipped something in my drink in this scenario), neither of us would have any grounds to base our respective opinions off.

You don't have to prove a negative.

"This has not impressed me. It lacks anything that impresses me."

is a logical argument.

"Anyone who doesn't like this game I've never played is wrong!"

is a fallacy.

The former is a negative statement; a statement that something isn't.

The latter is a positive statement; a statement that something is, and yet the person has no reasoning to back it up.

They are both fallacies, because Yahtzee hadn't tried the share button, so his argument is not better than someone saying "this movie, which I haven't seen, must be garbage ".

hermes200:

Innegativeion:

Thisfellow:

Doesn't that leave both parties clueless, though? Let's say I were to champion the CoD dog to Jathzee(Someone slipped something in my drink in this scenario), neither of us would have any grounds to base our respective opinions off.

You don't have to prove a negative.

"This has not impressed me. It lacks anything that impresses me."

is a logical argument.

"Anyone who doesn't like this game I've never played is wrong!"

is a fallacy.

The former is a negative statement; a statement that something isn't.

The latter is a positive statement; a statement that something is, and yet the person has no reasoning to back it up.

They are both fallacies, because Yahtzee hadn't tried the share button, so his argument is not better than someone saying "this movie, which I haven't seen, must be garbage ".

A lack of interest is not the same thing as an abundance of contempt.

Innegativeion:

hermes200:
They are both fallacies, because Yahtzee hadn't tried the share button, so his argument is not better than someone saying "this movie, which I haven't seen, must be garbage ".

A lack of interest is not the same thing as an abundance of contempt.

It would seem to me that Yathzee is expressing contempt to the share button*, after all, he is not contemplating to instal one on an existing console. He knows the PS4 comes with this feature and finds the console less desireable for it. If he merely had disintrest for the feature, it wouldn't have made the console any worse for him, would it?

*I don't like the sound of it myself, mind. I'm not trying to defend the PS4 here.

Trishbot:
Am I the only one that still enjoys the appropriate irony of Microsoft continually hyping the Xbox One by mentioning a game called "TitanFall"?

Also, as someone that lives in rural Oklahoma with unstable internet, I look forward to their offline policy!

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Hahahahahahahahahaha! I really hadnt thought about that, but thats as delicious as irony gets.

OT: I just cannot have enough rhymes! Thanks for bringing it Jim and Ben!

If Jim's metaphor was about Microsoft it would have been odd, since I'm pretty sure at the very least the dudes who designed and marketed their product would have playtested it (at the very least, Major Nelson would have, lol). Seems to me to be more of a general metaphor about people hawking their product, anyway.

I'd side with Yahtzee by principle on this one (although not to the same apathetic extremes), seeing as it's been little but hype and bullshit (and sometimes bullshit hype) for the past few weeks.

Innegativeion:

hermes200:

Innegativeion:
You don't have to prove a negative.

"This has not impressed me. It lacks anything that impresses me."

is a logical argument.

"Anyone who doesn't like this game I've never played is wrong!"

is a fallacy.

The former is a negative statement; a statement that something isn't.

The latter is a positive statement; a statement that something is, and yet the person has no reasoning to back it up.

They are both fallacies, because Yahtzee hadn't tried the share button, so his argument is not better than someone saying "this movie, which I haven't seen, must be garbage ".

A lack of interest is not the same thing as an abundance of contempt.

But in your example, both phrases are not equivalent. One is stated as a fact (wrong), the other is an opinion (acceptable). If they were the same, it would be a fallacy both by the negative as the positive, and you would have to prove a negative.

Saying "I am not interested in this" or "I am looking forward to this" is not a fallacy. Saying "this game/system/feature that I have never used is great/horrible" is the same kind of argumentative fallacy. And I think Yahtzee's attitude is closer to "contempt" than to "disinterest".

JoeyMousepadd:
Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.
Metaphor isn't as trenchant if you have to say "Metaphor!" at the end.

I am not a fan of the "Metaphor!" at the end, for the same reason I am not a fun of the laugh track. Not because I wouldn't get it, but because he felt he needed to state it as a punchline in case someone would say "What does cheese has to do with it?"

satsugaikaze:
If Jim's metaphor was about Microsoft it would have been odd, since I'm pretty sure at the very least the dudes who designed and marketed their product would have playtested it (at the very least, Major Nelson would have, lol). Seems to me to be more of a general metaphor about people hawking their product, anyway.

It is a weird metaphor, considering the last couple week we had. It has all been built up around people telling us about how great things we haven't tried (but they have) are.

It works both in the negative (someone attacking a movie/book/game/TV show as "the worst", even when they haven't see/read/played it, but heard about someone that did) or the positive (someone defending it as "the best", despite having only indirect information about it). So (I am playing devil's advocate here) at some level, Don Mattick could use it with us, since all of us had only read about (and then repeated) opinions on the XBox One, while he has (presumably) personally used it.

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