Jimquisition: Xbox One No DRM Emergency Special!

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Awesome. Enjoy some sharing with friends now, along with retail specific pre-order bonuses, crappy dlc and digital games at the same price as the retail copies...
Welcome to the same next-gen.

deckpunk:

Mikeyfell:

Now... what about that Kinnect...

My thoughts exactly! Get rid of that dumb device, but the way microsoft have been talking the 'xbone 180' is built with kinnect 2.0 in mind, but then again they said the same thing about their drm policies. Maybe if enough people complain some more they'll remove the completely useless camera and drop the price by 100 quid.

They should drop the price 100 quid no matter what they do with the Kinnect,

Isn't 430 Pounds like 680 bucks?

Yeah, I know Microsoft is still bitter about the Revolutionary war, but still...

I still think Sony is going to win because there is a sizable demographic of "sane" people that don't want to put a camera in their living rooms.

Well they sure caved in fast didn't they? Way to stick to your guns M$.

Overall the gamers win here, but as we all know this may be just temporary just to manage to get more units preordered.

Let the console war spark anew like a phoenix, yay...*sits back near his PC and grabs his popcorn.*

Sorry, MS. Still getting the PS4. Regardless of what's gone on here, you've already proved too untrustworthy. Sony isn't exactly a saint, but they are better than you, and cheaper. You haven't got my business this generation.

Still not getting one. As an analogy, if I find out dude was plotting to murder me and then they were like "nah, not today" it still doesn't mean that we are gonna be friends. Because he still thought about doing it in the first place.

So a tiger can change it's stripes, but I'll still remember its a tiger that rips out innards and feasts on them. A little sad to not see Sony on top of the podium this gen, even though out of the big three they should get their just do's without coming in third place again. But stuff like the latest software update shows that they will find a way to do a massive cock up.

Captcha: Up and Away!

And now we wait for Microsoft to pull a 360...

PatrickXD:
I'm really disappointed with the reversal of opinion. What made the Xbone interesting to me - the always online connectivity, family sharing and mandatory Kinect - has been somewhat put down. I was looking forward to what exactly 'cloud computing' can do, I was interested in more games adopting systems like Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. You know, integrating the single and multiplayer experience? Game developers can no longer guarantee that every user has access to the internet, which could have been an interesting point to develop from. Now, well, we'll never know.
And that's what hurts about this. What the Xbone was doing was unprecedented. Don't get me wrong, I know that doesn't mean good, inherently. It's just, and bear with me here, nobody has to buy the Xbox One. The PS4 was always an option, and a cheaper one at that. If you don't have an internet connection, you have the option of - no, not the xbox 360 - the PS4. It's there. It's a choice. A safe choice. It's not changing anything. The Xbone? Previously we didn't know if it would be a safe choice. We didn't know if it was what we wanted. It certainly wasn't a rich dark roast. And that's what we want, isn't it? We all want a rich dark roast. We all sing together that we know what we want and what we want is a rich dark roast.

The Xbone could have been a game changer. Microsoft has decided now to go where the money is, abandon it's backbone and chase after every ounce of hype and every last dollar. And now we will never know, at least not for another 8 years, if the Xbone's original system is in fact a great one.

For posterity, I wholly support being able to just, you know, give people discs.

EDIT: I just thought I'd point out something that really irks me about this whole Xbone situation, as I feel it represents the gaming industry and culture as a whole.
People complain, day in and day out, about the lack of change in games. The repetition of the exact same systems and stories from past generations of game. And yet, when Microsoft tried something new with a console, everyone cried 'What's wrong with the way things are? Can't everything just be the same? Everything is fine here, we don't need change!'.
Food for thought.

Dark Souls existed on the current consoles. Destiny looks to be doing the same thing and will be on PS4, as well. Nothing you just said requires always online. And PS4 supports the Cloud as well. You come off more like you're apologizing to Microsoft. Nothing they wanted to do required online at all times or DRM. There's nothing stopping this from happening.

I actually was interested in what the Cloud COULD do, and my console will probably be online 99.9% of the time, but that didn't make these policies okay. Making it mandatory, just forces me to do something I did because I wanted to. I should be the one who decides how to use my console. And what about people who don't have strong internet service either because it's not available or they don't want it (Both exist in force, even in the US)? Are they just out of luck for even single player experiences?

Change for the better is good. But what few good things Microsoft put forward were married to horrible policies. Now that those policies are dead, the good can flourish.

Anyway, I'll be enjoying my PS4 when it launches and seeing how Cloud gaming works on it. But I will also enjoy being allowed to play offline if I should want.

For the record, something like half of all 360's never connected to the internet. They didn't even look at their own numbers.

Kudos for throwing that video together after such short notice! It actually turned out quite well!

Still not getting an Xbox 180 until they offer exclusives I care about, drop the price point and drop the mandatory kinect.

Riobux:
I may be alone in this, but just out of curiosity: Is anyone as bored and tired as I am with how PS4 and X-Bone One is being promoted? Or even just filled with apathy over this change?

You're not alone. The Xbone DRM fiasco has conveniently distracted everyone from the fact that the only really major change made in the next generation is the move to x86. Beyond that, nothing but gimmicks like the share button. These new consoles are boring, expensive and will no doubt be furnished with another cycle of bland AAA titles that are little more than expensive tech demos.

They're basically in a race to be the least shit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

inkheart_artist:
Okay, Jim Sterling. Can we now take a look at how shitty the PS4 and the Xbox One (really the whole next gen of consoles) are now that they're on equal footing?

but they are not, the kinnect still spies on you, constantly. Also I want no adverts on Xbox live, or a way to block the ads and having a better price point. Better yet free multi player. If all of these things happen, they will be on equal footing.

But I'm going to upgrade my laptop with a SSD and give it more ram over the
course of this generation, that seems more sensible, not getting a console.

Just to be clear, this was my response to another Xbone thread, so no low content warning for me thanks.

nevarran:
Awesome. Enjoy some sharing with friends now, along with retail specific pre-order bonuses, crappy dlc and digital games at the same price as the retail copies...
Welcome to the same next-gen.

You mean like major publishers still try to pull on PC all-digital platforms?

Don't pretend companies would magically turn over a new leaf with the Xbox One.

Jim's right, it's a step in the right direction, giving us a reason to be hopeful. But we shouldn't hold our breaths.

I'm still sticking with my PC and maybe getting a PS4 down the line.

Everything else aside, I think I'm developing a crush on Jim. He's so adorable!

Captcha: blinded by science ... Uh.

XBOX 180?
Haha! Much better than XBONE.

Jim, that opening was absolutely fantastic. I don't always laugh at your videos -- you bring up too many thought-provoking points for me to really laugh -- but this had me going back a few times to watch the opening before I even got to your main points. We need more emergency Jimquisitions like this. Kudos for making this so damn fast.

I'm not sure how many gamers this will sway into Microsoft's camp because the PR, and the acidic hatred they seem to have for consumers, makes this whole thing appear like a stunt. I'm not sure I believe this is a win for gamers, for, as you said, they may change it in the future, but it appears like "we won." However, it feels a lot like ME3's extended ending: we "won" but got something slightly less worse than the original. Some will also say that MS's PR nightmare is over when, in fact, they just renewed the debate all by themselves.

For me, MS has said too many anti-consumer "deal with it" bullshit that I don't trust them one bit. I would never buy this system from them because I don't trust them. Take away the Kinect and I may reconsider, although highly doubtful. Which isn't to say I trust Sony; they only feel more trust-worthy at this particular moment.

This is big, big news and MS got itself to the top of the gaming charts again except is it worth it? They go back on their word and we are to trust them now?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, then I'm a fucking moron.

redknightalex:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, then I'm a fucking moron.

I completely agree. I wonder how many people will jump onto the Xbox One now that they've removed the DRM (which could be put back in later). I don't trust them anymore, damage done. If they were for the consumer, those DRM policies wouldn't have been a thing in the first place.

Should make a poll.. Hmm....

What was the game with all the time freezing? I don't recognize it at all.

OT, I'm surprised and at the same time not surprised at this. For Microsoft to ignore this would have been suicide, but for them to hold to that much sudden change... it's suspicious to say the least...

MichaelPalin:
(answering #54)

Not good enough. It seems Valve saw the backlash and are preparing themselves for the potential splash. However, they wont move unless forced, unless people ask them en masse. Journalists need to do their job and put the heat on Valve and EA now and we gamers should start talking about it on the internet so the idea spreads as far as possible. No Steamworks requirement for PC disc-based games, period!

Its called a quote button, you really should learn to use it..

And you are just funny.

"They need to let us lend games!"
"They are working on the system to do that."
"Not good enough!"

Whats more likely, though I doubt this will register, is that Valve saw the family share option Xbox was going to be rolling out with and thought it was awesome, so decided to incorporate it into their own platform.

Valve doesnt have to worry about backlash against other people, they provide a good service that they are always trying to make better. If they WERENT planning on implementing it they wouldnt be putting code into their beta clients to test it.

PatrickXD:
I'm really disappointed with the reversal of opinion. What made the Xbone interesting to me - the always online connectivity, family sharing and mandatory Kinect - has been somewhat put down. I was looking forward to what exactly 'cloud computing' can do, I was interested in more games adopting systems like Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. You know, integrating the single and multiplayer experience? Game developers can no longer guarantee that every user has access to the internet, which could have been an interesting point to develop from. Now, well, we'll never know.
And that's what hurts about this. What the Xbone was doing was unprecedented. Don't get me wrong, I know that doesn't mean good, inherently. It's just, and bear with me here, nobody has to buy the Xbox One. The PS4 was always an option, and a cheaper one at that. If you don't have an internet connection, you have the option of - no, not the xbox 360 - the PS4. It's there. It's a choice. A safe choice. It's not changing anything. The Xbone? Previously we didn't know if it would be a safe choice. We didn't know if it was what we wanted. It certainly wasn't a rich dark roast. And that's what we want, isn't it? We all want a rich dark roast. We all sing together that we know what we want and what we want is a rich dark roast.

The Xbone could have been a game changer. Microsoft has decided now to go where the money is, abandon it's backbone and chase after every ounce of hype and every last dollar. And now we will never know, at least not for another 8 years, if the Xbone's original system is in fact a great one.

For posterity, I wholly support being able to just, you know, give people discs.

EDIT: I just thought I'd point out something that really irks me about this whole Xbone situation, as I feel it represents the gaming industry and culture as a whole.
People complain, day in and day out, about the lack of change in games. The repetition of the exact same systems and stories from past generations of game. And yet, when Microsoft tried something new with a console, everyone cried 'What's wrong with the way things are? Can't everything just be the same? Everything is fine here, we don't need change!'.
Food for thought.

What of countries without stellar internet need for the Online Connectivity? Suppose you live by yourself? Suppose you don't have a dedicated gaming room? MS isn't killing off the cloud gaming capabilities, Devs can still do that if they want to. A lot of people like single player and hate Multi, why should they have to suffer?

The Xbone might have changed the game, but look at all the legitimate complaints people have against it. Change isn't always good or for the best. That being said, people like variety in games, not the consoles to play them on.

Guys, they're doing this SPECIFICALLY so they can just put it ALL BACK IN once you've bought the system!

Firstly, they said all the DRM restrictions were built into the hardware, that it was "integral" to the way it worked. Four days later......not only does the X1 not NEED the DRM to function, but it was so easy to remove that it only took FOUR DAYS TO DO IT.

Second, circling back around, not only will M$ put this shit back on later, but the fact that they didn't "stand their ground" on this means Microsoft as a company now has the reputation (due to living examples) of flat out changing directions at the last minute. As good as it is the DRM is out, it only means MS can backpedal on the backpedaling any moment, and can do this re-reversal on ANYTHING (not just DRM policies).

Do not be fooled.

Microsoft? More like Damage Control-Soft!

Am I right people?

Dayum you work fast Sterling. You need a couple of extra pennies for your trouble, that was some epic dressing you magical Houdini man.

But seriously damn, now I'm wondering what Angry Joe's video is going to be (If it is NOT 20 minutes of him laughing on camera I might just be a little disappointed.)

So, quick question- will your games still need to download from the disc to the hard drive? Because I hated that the moment I read it, and I hope it's something that's flipped too.

Basically, what this does for me is move the Xbox One from "Not gonna happen" to "number three" on the New System List. I'm still getting Wii U first, and I intend to get PS4 and focus on it this time around. My 360 only got the attention it did because everybody I new had one, and games were cheap and easy to find. I'd like to reward Sony for not being dicks in the next run.

So, that said- put out some games I care about, guys- you wanna get me to pay up sooner? That's what it takes, nice and simple.

Really? REALLY?! I JUST FINISHED MY LETTER TO MICROSOFT.

[deletes letter]

Well now at least I know that the Xbox One will be up for consideration when the grand list of exclusives starts growing. Still, looking forward to the deal sweetening that Microsoft will have to do to get all the disgruntled players back.

Well that's good news. However I will not be getting an Xbox One until a price drop. I am glad I won't have to say goodbye to Halo forever, perhaps just see you later.

Though at the same time I was kind of wishing the xbone would crash and burn so Halo could maybe get released from its console prison.

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH! Hold the phone people! We are clearly forgetting the vastly more important question here, aren't we? The glaring one, that absolutely must be answered before anything else be brought up?

Jim (thank God for him) doesn't go around wearing a suit at all times?!

Now, for our next trick, can we get Microsoft to patch up Windows 8? Specifically:

~ Remove the Microsoft Certification requirement (at least allow alternative markets) for Metro apps.
~ Cease monitoring user activity and sending it back to Microsoft (yes, they really do this.)
~ Fix the interface so that the desktop and the Metro use the same conventions when possible.

Please?

Until then, Yo-ho, yo-ho it's Windows 7 for me.

238U

Honestly, and I know this isn't directly related to video games, but this is why I like Microsoft better than Apple. They're both evil to the core, but at least Microsoft is capable of recognizing when their evil is so bad it's seriously effecting their sales. Apple just glosses it over with some shiny design and an insufferable marketing campaign, which is why Microsoft consistently beats Apple even though everyone hates them.

I'm still leaning pretty heavily PS4 for this generation though.

Damn impressive turnaround time on this, Jim.

Let's be clear, this is still going to happen. Always online and no used and single activation codes are de rigeur in the PC market and they've had exactly the desired effect of killing that beast of many faces, the second hand industry.

The only problem is that Microsoft thought Sony were going to join them in doing it this time around. When Microsoft shot their load before E3, Sony just needed to say "nah" and they were free to point and laugh as Microsoft were totally caught with their pants down. Sony will do this too at some stage. And Microsoft will try again. Some lousy guesswork from Microsoft and some great poker faces from Sony mean that the can has successfully been kicked for another generation, but this is not the last we're seeing of this.

Still not planning on buying either, of course; I'll get a Wii U for Bayonetta 2, play FFXV on whatever my cousin buys and everything else will be on my new PC (as Uriel noted above though, I'd still like to see a proper fix for Windows 8). But for Microsoft to actually make this climbdown is still a huge thing that should be acknowledged.

Still waiting on that whole kinect thing to go away, the hassels indies have in getting on XBL, and the plethora of other problems miring the Xbone to go away.

Still, it's nice the combination of Jimmy Fallon, the consumers, the competition, and no doubt EA caused the change in policy.

PatrickXD:
EDIT: I just thought I'd point out something that really irks me about this whole Xbone situation, as I feel it represents the gaming industry and culture as a whole.
People complain, day in and day out, about the lack of change in games. The repetition of the exact same systems and stories from past generations of game. And yet, when Microsoft tried something new with a console, everyone cried 'What's wrong with the way things are? Can't everything just be the same? Everything is fine here, we don't need change!'.
Food for thought.

I'm all for trying to change the game, but not in a million years when that entails that I get my game ownership taken away and a have a MANDATORY big brother device installed in my living room.

hentropy:
Yeah strangely enough I think it was Jimmy Fallon. Not so much that one guy himself, but the fact that the pure anti-consumerism was starting to leak out into the mainstream media and everyone who looked at it thought it was BS. A video game system being openly mocked on late-night television might have been the final kick in the pants they needed to know it wasn't just boilerplate nerdrage from a vocal minority.

This is why I've been saying for years that gamers are terrible consumers. If, say, the film industry had tried to do with Blu Ray what EA did with Project $10, let alone what Microsoft was trying to do with the Xbone[1], the entire world would have flipped its shit. The fact that it took a move this drastic for gamers to stand up is pretty pathetic, and what's worse is it was probably the way it spilled over into the mainstream that caused the actual change.

[1] That just sounds so much better to me than "Xbox One." Whoever said it would have been an affectionate nickname if Microsoft hadn't screwed the pooch so bad was right.

Yuuki:
It says "stream not found" when I try to load the video. Was the thread created while the video was still being uploaded, or is there a genuine error with the video?

Got me really excited, this is going to be sooooo embarrassing for MS and I suspect you're going to tear them another one :D

edit: Video is up and working now. Yeah, I guess it's a positive thing and gamers win in the end. Can't really complain about that.

My thoughts about this, copied from the other thread:

I'm very confused at the moment.

Confused as to whether MS planned this whole thing from the beginning as a publicity stunt (riding on the "no such thing as bad publicity" chestnut) OR whether they were genuinely behind this whole thing and then had a change of heart after seeing people's feedback.

On one hand, the hosts and devs who enthusiastically talked about XBox One's "features" looked COMPLETELY into it, they looked like they truly believed in it deep down that this was the way to go, that gamers would thank MS for these features down the road. It's hard to believe that MS had planned on hitting the reverse gear from the start, because the devs spoke like they didn't even have a shadow of a doubt. You could see it on their faces and hear it in their words, they were standing behind it with resolve.

On the other hand, literally EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE ASPECT of the XBox One (except for the price, but who knows they might cut that down too at this rate) is being reversed. All in one swoop. That's where I start thinking that they planned this whole thing from the beginning, it looks way too easy and way too convenient to have pulled such a thing off so easily.

Either way Microsoft are still colossally thick idiots. Every single MS employee who preached things about the XBox One during the unveil and E3 is going to have jokes and memes made about them for a long time. Whether they already knew or not, it's utterly embarrassing...nothing changes that part.

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Also I'm looking forward to future interviews with MS and how the interviewers will be silently laughing under their breath as MS try to answer the same endlessly-asked questions again and again:
1) "Why did you even think this would be positively received in the first place?"
2) "Why did you have a change of heart, do you believe first impressions have caused lasting damage?"
3) "Does this all come off as terribly embarrassing for your company and your employees, especially the presenters?"

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I'm amazed that your first thought was so much alike my first thought! o_O
Already made a comment about it, so I won't post it again, but damn, it's interesting to see this happen for the first time with me! XD

I'm a sony fan this is awful news lol.

We had a gimmie win. it was in the bag LOL. GOD DAMN IT.

I'm still standing by my "not buying either new console" decision, but it's nice to see that Microsoft isn't totally out of touch with reality. I was starting to wonder.

Also, someone please please PLEASE tell me what that trailer is playing behind Jim's video? The one with the time-frozen explosion?

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