Jimquisition: Xbox One No DRM Emergency Special!

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Xbox One No DRM Emergency Special!

Xbox One Eighty more like HA HA HA HA HA!

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Got me really excited, this is going to be sooooo embarrassing for MS and I suspect you're going to tear them another one :D

edit: Video is up and working now. Yeah, I guess it's a positive thing and gamers win in the end. Can't really complain about that.

My thoughts about this, copied from the other thread:

I'm very confused at the moment.

Confused as to whether MS planned this whole thing from the beginning as a publicity stunt (riding on the "no such thing as bad publicity" chestnut) OR whether they were genuinely behind this whole thing and then had a change of heart after seeing people's feedback.

On one hand, the hosts and devs who enthusiastically talked about XBox One's "features" looked COMPLETELY into it, they looked like they truly believed in it deep down that this was the way to go, that gamers would thank MS for these features down the road. It's hard to believe that MS had planned on hitting the reverse gear from the start, because the devs spoke like they didn't even have a shadow of a doubt. You could see it on their faces and hear it in their words, they were standing behind it with resolve.

On the other hand, literally EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE ASPECT of the XBox One (except for the price, but who knows they might cut that down too at this rate) is being reversed. All in one swoop. That's where I start thinking that they planned this whole thing from the beginning, it looks way too easy and way too convenient to have pulled such a thing off so easily.

Either way Microsoft are still colossally thick idiots. Every single MS employee who preached things about the XBox One during the unveil and E3 is going to have jokes and memes made about them for a long time. Whether they already knew or not, it's utterly embarrassing...nothing changes that part.

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Also I'm looking forward to future interviews with MS and how the interviewers will be silently laughing under their breath as MS try to answer the same endlessly-asked questions again and again:
1) "Why did you even think this would be positively received in the first place?"
2) "Why did you have a change of heart, do you believe first impressions have caused lasting damage?"
3) "Does this all come off as terribly embarrassing for your company and your employees, especially the presenters?"

(to so many who asked, yes it's a microphone on the right guy's face)
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Man, they back-peddled quicker than an Elder Scrolls archer :D

Still not buying one though.

Not unless all my favourite things happen.

Exactly my thoughts, Jim.

I'm delighted that they've backtracked for whatever the reason they chose to do so, and may now actually buy an Xbox One, but because of this I will definitely be wary of Microsoft in the future.

Very well put, Jim; forgive, but don't forget.

Seeing as how the PS4 seemed to be doing alright (although let's be honest here, we all remember the 'mneh' feeling we got after the first reveal; it really got this far because of MS), it would've been a bad thing for Microsoft to screw everything up and give them a monopoly over the console market.

I am glad we have two options now, but I am still somewhat disappointed by both.

I liked the intro, very funny indeed. I expect suitable poetry from you and Yahtzee on this next week. It is far too good to miss.

I still don't want one.

I agree that it is good that they have done a 180 but I will still not buy one. Like Jim, I will not forget what they tried to do. It is to late to take it back.

Anyway even without the DRM and used games stuff it still comes with big brother kinect. So I will stick with my PC this gen. Maybe get a PS4 after some time has passed.

Unfortunately with Microsoft's habit of changing their console after release (dashboard and advertising)I don't think this decision will stay. I won't be buying an Xbox One simply because of this threat. I'll stick with a PS4 this generation, but I am a bit happier to see them actually changing their policies as a result. In order to get me back, they'll have to prove that they can be consumer friendly for awhile and rebuild a track record they've destroyed over the past few years and ultimately dropped a nuke on at E3.

WOooooooOOooooOOooOo!

Now if they can prove to me how XBL Gold will be valuable this time 'round instead of a subscription service to video adverts & early CoD maps I don't care about, and that kinect can me POWERED off,

I'd be happy enough to buy One80.

To mangle Winston Churchill: You can always count on Microsoft to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else.

I'm glad. In part because I was getting angry enough to start writing letters to the editor in about four months to say, "Hey, people who still read newspapers, don't buy your game-playing kids an XBox One for Christmas, here's why."

Yes, seriously.

Microsoft has made the smart move here, but I think they may still find it hard to make up for lost ground. In part because people like me were more than willing to evangelize against the world Microsoft saw for the future and thought was its to claim, but don't feel quite the same pressure to laud Microsoft to the heavens for grudgingly doing what it should have done in the first place.

Yuuki:

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Thank god for Joe and Jim for giving us no Bullsh!t

:D

Of course there's also the possibility that they planned this all from the start, that they'd announce horrible policies, "listen" to the outcry, and then pretend to change based on "customer feedback"

I won't buy one because I'll be damned if a quick change of heart will be enough to make me forget - but this *is* absolutely wonderful news. If only this spells the end of Microsoft's recent policy of shafting its own userbase and telling them "Like it, you fucking monkeys, IT'S THE FUTURE!", then I'll remain absolutely jubilant over this.

As, you know, Windows 8 pretty much did exactly that.

Well, Microsoft is still a bit too late (pre-ordered PS4, $100 less, better hardware, upgradable hard drive, etc.), but this IS a good thing.

Granted, I'm not going to THANK them for this. You don't say thank you to someone for NOT kicking you in the balls when they wanted to.

Still not getting one (to be fair, never planned to), but yeah, good news. Both because of consumer power and because it means healthy competition in the console market. Still, Microsoft has been twisting and turning and blatantly lying for quite a while now, so my best wishes to people still seriously considering an Xbox One.

Wow, you got this episode out quick Jimmy boy.

They've still made this decision too late for me, but I was always set on a PS4 anyway. Microsoft lost my vote in the console market waaaay before the One80 was even in drawn up in blueprints.

Well, this is good news. Ok, one step in the right direction is only an improvement if you hadn't previously taken five in the wrong direction, but at least Microsoft are listening. As you point out Jim, they're more likely listening to developers and investors rather than the gaming community, but they at least deserve some applause for this if for no other reason than if their reversal of policy regains none of the goodwill they've recently lost then they may begin to U-turn on the U-turn.

So well done Microsoft - you have finally done what you should have been doing from the beginning.

>genuine nod of appreciation accompanied with sarcastic slow clapping<

What they need to do now (if they want to have the future that they want) is to make digital-only download games $10-$15 cheaper than physical discs. Imagine the ripple effect that would have.

Also, XBox 180 seems like a hilarious alternative over XBone now.

Salieri82:
To mangle Winston Churchill: You can always count on Microsoft to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else.

As a history enthusiast I found that most amusing.
Also OT: Thanks god for Jim.

The North remembers...

That said, this is good for consumers!

Jim said it right "Forgive, but not forget". I'm really worried that now everyone will just forget about all that DRM bullshit and gleefuly jump back to MS train. There should be some consequences for their actions.

Yuuki:

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the guy in grey, what the hell is that on his cheek? is that a piece of captain crunch cereal? was joe yelling at the guy so much food was flying out of his mouth?

Well, my worry is now which company will be the first to reverse the policies and institute DRM?

As a more important question, since I seem to be way behind on game trailers, what was the game with stopping time during an explosion or whatever? That looked interesting.

Wow, that was quick.

Why should we forgive when they have in no way, shape or form apologized? They pulled back DRM and Used Games policies because they felt the pressure. Nothing more. What they did was a start, but it's nowhere near sufficient enough to be called a good start.

Also a great new proof of the truth of the older "why complaining is more effective than boycotts" episode.

For everyone who was moaning about how people should just shut up on online forums and vote with their wallet, well, here is the result of not shutting up.

It's still not enough for me to want to get an Xbox ONe. It's still 100 bucks more and comes with a camera I dont' want. but good on Microsoft for actually hearing the outcry instead of shoving your fingers in your ears. though I have to wonder if this sets their production back at all seeing as now they have to remove shit from their console. Actually waht if that made it cheaper. This generation won't look so one sided anymore. though I am still for the PS4.

I'm still not getting one. They have been forced into this reversal by over weeks worth of condemnation from every gaming website and few larger news outlets too. They're still miles behind Sony and Nintendo when it comes to respecting their customers.

Still not buying it. Damage is already done as they've shown their true 'controlling' color.

This is not action of kindness. It just took them this long that it would affect their sales.

shadowstriker86:

Yuuki:

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the guy in grey, what the hell is that on his cheek? is that a piece of captain crunch cereal? was joe yelling at the guy so much food was flying out of his mouth?

Microphone

bojac6:
As a more important question, since I seem to be way behind on game trailers, what was the game with stopping time during an explosion or whatever? That looked interesting.

Quantum Break.

OT: I'm still predicting that this was not planned, and they quickly patched code... which will break.

shadowstriker86:

Yuuki:

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the guy in grey, what the hell is that on his cheek? is that a piece of captain crunch cereal? was joe yelling at the guy so much food was flying out of his mouth?

That's just a mic.

Freyar:
Unfortunately with Microsoft's habit of changing their console after release (dashboard and advertising)I don't think this decision will stay. I won't be buying an Xbox One simply because of this threat. I'll stick with a PS4 this generation, but I am a bit happier to see them actually changing their policies as a result. In order to get me back, they'll have to prove that they can be consumer friendly for awhile and rebuild a track record they've destroyed over the past few years and ultimately dropped a nuke on at E3.

I agree it is unwise to trust microsoft due to their changes to the xbox 360 dashboard alone. Sure they might give a slight pass to the always on DRM stuff for now, but next year they will have a brand new strategy and name to try and force people back into it.

And once they have already invested in the Xbox one, people will be more willing to overlook getting abused like they do now with the xbox 360.

Big piece of humble pie for Microsoft. Thought I think the damage may be already done. It will take a lot to win back consumer good will now.

I'm really disappointed with the reversal of opinion. What made the Xbone interesting to me - the always online connectivity, family sharing and mandatory Kinect - has been somewhat put down. I was looking forward to what exactly 'cloud computing' can do, I was interested in more games adopting systems like Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. You know, integrating the single and multiplayer experience? Game developers can no longer guarantee that every user has access to the internet, which could have been an interesting point to develop from. Now, well, we'll never know.
And that's what hurts about this. What the Xbone was doing was unprecedented. Don't get me wrong, I know that doesn't mean good, inherently. It's just, and bear with me here, nobody has to buy the Xbox One. The PS4 was always an option, and a cheaper one at that. If you don't have an internet connection, you have the option of - no, not the xbox 360 - the PS4. It's there. It's a choice. A safe choice. It's not changing anything. The Xbone? Previously we didn't know if it would be a safe choice. We didn't know if it was what we wanted. It certainly wasn't a rich dark roast. And that's what we want, isn't it? We all want a rich dark roast. We all sing together that we know what we want and what we want is a rich dark roast.

The Xbone could have been a game changer. Microsoft has decided now to go where the money is, abandon it's backbone and chase after every ounce of hype and every last dollar. And now we will never know, at least not for another 8 years, if the Xbone's original system is in fact a great one.

For posterity, I wholly support being able to just, you know, give people discs.

EDIT: I just thought I'd point out something that really irks me about this whole Xbone situation, as I feel it represents the gaming industry and culture as a whole.
People complain, day in and day out, about the lack of change in games. The repetition of the exact same systems and stories from past generations of game. And yet, when Microsoft tried something new with a console, everyone cried 'What's wrong with the way things are? Can't everything just be the same? Everything is fine here, we don't need change!'.
Food for thought.

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