We're The Good Guys Now

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AlwaysPractical:
That's pretty much how I hope this turns out. I really hope this upset so many people that they still massively lag behind the ps4 with launch sales. However, I'm also getting ready to be dissapointed again when the ssales still turn out well because fanboys will be fanboys.

As a self-proclaimed PS4 fanboy, I actually hope the XB1 sells really well now. Microsoft got it handed to them for being anti-consumer, they listened to the consumers, and hopefully, the consumers vote with their wallet to show support fo consumer-friendly products.

I have no plans for buying an XB1. But, look at all the 360 did for PS3. If Sony was the only player in town, would they have dropped the cash to build exclusive "hardware moving" titles like Uncharted 2 or God of War 3? We only have PS Plus (with its free game collection) because of XB Live. And, would Sony have spent the effort creating a next-gen machine if their only competition was the Wii U?

Generally, competition in a market is a very good thing for consumers. I like seeing a company take some lumps for being anti-consumer, but I want to see XBox bounce back.

Sorry, Microsoft. You screwed the pooch hard on this one. You'll have to try again on the next console generation after this upcoming one. Maybe, by then, people will have calmed down enough to be willing to give you a second chance, assuming you've actually learned your lesson in that time. However, for this upcoming generation, chances are good you lost the war on the very first salvo due to your sudden nervous break-down. We'll see you again sometime between 2019-2022; we'll discuss the progress of your rehabilitation and re-education then. You can see the secretary at the front registration desk to schedule an appointment; oh, and don't forget to pay the bill on your way out.

Grey Carter:

The tale of the boy who cried anti-consumer bullsh*t

Actually, "Just Kidding!" would have been a better response than what they actually dropped.

Yes this is kinda how I feel about it. Worrying isn't it just how bad they are treating customers. Luckily customers did what they did.. they voted with their feet. And pre-ordered the other one more.

That was a big thing.. sometimes companies need to be pulled back at the only only leash they understand.. the wallet.

tdylan:

Lilani:
I'd still go for the PS4 if I were you. Apart from Kingdom Hearts, the x-bone still requires that registration connection, and from what I understand it needs to be connected every time you install a game from disc. So...yeah. Every time you load a new game you have to be connected, that'll be annoying.

What? No ****ing way! If true, that didn't really fix the problem. If I'm deployed overseas, I can't have my family send me any new games, and I can't buy new games on base because each game will require me to be connected to the internet to install it? If so, they're still screwing the people with no internet.

Okay, actually I just researched it, and that might be wrong. You can install a game to the cloud if you want, but after that first-time registration no more internet connection is required for disc-based games, if I'm reading right. Using the cloud isn't required. So either what I heard is an unjustified rumor spawned from hate, or I just misunderstood.

Either way I'm still getting the PS4, though. We're three weeks post-announcement and we still aren't 100% clear on how the x-bone works. Even before this change there was still misinformation and questions floating around. That's ridiculous, and very sketchy. And the pressure doesn't change the fact that they still saw people without Internet as a disposable part of their customer base.

Nimcha:
All this focus on tangential stuff is very annoying. With a new console come new games, that's what all the attention should be on. But neither Microsoft nor 'the internet' seems to care about that. :(

However, consoles are what makes playing those games possible. So how the consoles run is a pretty big deal ;-)

More like they tried to mug us but gave the wallet back after we kicked them in the balls.

A Critical Miss comic i find funny, and not obtuse or pretentious.
Hooray.

scienceguy8:
Man you guys work fast. What was it? Wednesday?

Still, no desire to buy an XBox One. My PC/Mac does just fine, thank you very much. Plus if they were willing to do this once, they'll be willing to do it again someday.

I have no reason to believe they won't reverse the policy in the long run. Nor do I believe Sony won't eventually do the same. Both platforms represent a huge push to digital distribution as the only means of getting software and, one way or another, the days of trading games are numbered.

Z of the Na'vi:
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That is the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

I like how they accurately captured how much of a shitbag this guy usually looks like. Seriously, have you ever seen a person you trust less than that picture where he's supposed to be showing off the xbox one? The one with the dead, soulless eyes and the least convincing smile ever?

OT: Yep, they may have turned back the decision, but the damage to people's trust in microsoft is already done, and may still lose them the next gen.

Nimcha:
All this focus on tangential stuff is very annoying. With a new console come new games, that's what all the attention should be on. But neither Microsoft nor 'the internet' seems to care about that. :(

An opinion this... questionable I feel deserves a hyperbolic response:

This is like "I came to this restaurant and the waiter ****ed me in the *** while he was serving me, but that's beside the point since the food was quite good."

It really bothers me that there are so many people willing to accept this kind of thing just so they aren't inconvenienced. In my eyes it's the same as the PRISM thing, whether it's 'I don't have anything to hide' or 'I have good internet' that's not the point, the point is wanting to be treated like an citizen and not a preemptive criminal.

I want to know whose head that is.

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

Is it though? honestly I doubt that it is, the XBone came out the gate like a prisoner telling his cellmate that he is gonna fuck him in the ass whether the cellmate likes it or not, the appearance of a well sharpened shiv changes his tune a bit but he is still a threat to the cellmate.
M$ will sneak their bullshit in again one way or another eventually and anybody with a lick of sense knows that and wont buy their 1984-brick

Hey, I actually recognised the lyrics this time.

Honestly I hope the XBL " 360xxNoSC0P3xxSmokeSpaghettiEveryday xXx " type people stay on XBL when I switch to Playstation. That was the only thing I hated when playing multiplayer games on Xbox 360 -- the cyberbullying was off the charts.

SurfKansas:
As a self-proclaimed PS4 fanboy, I actually hope the XB1 sells really well now. Microsoft got it handed to them for being anti-consumer, they listened to the consumers, and hopefully, the consumers vote with their wallet to show support fo consumer-friendly products.

I have no plans for buying an XB1. But, look at all the 360 did for PS3. If Sony was the only player in town, would they have dropped the cash to build exclusive "hardware moving" titles like Uncharted 2 or God of War 3? We only have PS Plus (with its free game collection) because of XB Live. And, would Sony have spent the effort creating a next-gen machine if their only competition was the Wii U?

Generally, competition in a market is a very good thing for consumers. I like seeing a company take some lumps for being anti-consumer, but I want to see XBox bounce back.

Yeah, the horrible compromise. You can either have people supporting companies that make s*** hardware, or you could have a monopoly. And no-one wants the second one, for sure. I guess that'll always have to be the case in a capitalist market, and it has its ups and downs. I certainly don't want the Xbone to be a complete failure, but I do want it and, in turn, Microsoft, to suffer and to feel the impact of embracing extremely anti-consumer practices to begin with and then having people like "#dealwithit", "no xbox one potential customer doesn't have an internet connection" and "I can't flip the switch" defend them against an upset consumer base.

I don't want it to fail, but I want to be able to stand proud as part of a consumer base that shouted a giant company into the ground and made it feel that its customers are still their most viable asset. I know the Xbox won't fail, that's for sure. But if at the end of the generation can stand together and clearly say the PS4 as the winner, I will be happy.

l3o2828:
A Critical Miss comic i find funny, and not obtuse or pretentious.
Hooray.

Wait, really you find this comic series obtuse and pretentious? can you cite some examples? They've all been pretty straight forward in there point to me. I have yet to see one that I didn't understand right away.

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

For consistency with KH3 I'd suggest using the PS4 instead of an Xbone. Plus I think KH HD 1.5 Final Remix Super Explosion Money Fun Time (seriously, just call it the KH HD Collection; rolls off the tongue much better) will be exclusive to the PS4.[sic] Plus it's cheaper, so if anything I'd say buy the PS4 first if you're really hankering for a console and then wait for the Xbone to drop down from its $500 price point; or buy one used just to give MS the finger. (which I assume will happen right after they realize nobody is hooking up their Kinects)

Treaos Serrare:

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

Is it though? honestly I doubt that it is, the XBone came out the gate like a prisoner telling his cellmate that he is gonna fuck him in the ass whether the cellmate likes it or not, the appearance of a well sharpened shiv changes his tune a bit but he is still a threat to the cellmate.
M$ will sneak their bullshit in again one way or another eventually and anybody with a lick of sense knows that and wont buy their 1984-brick

Can I just say, that is the most apt analogy I've ever read to my feelings on this whole situation.

Yep this is why them changing their plan ultimately doesn't mean much unless they actually stick to it. With how easy it was for them to apparently reverse it who's to say if they'll suddenly change policies some day and reapply all their nasty anti-consumer restrictions.

I'm glad M$ recanted, but I still won't be buying their product anytime soon.

While I know this isn't likely, there's nothing to keep them from reinstituting the policy after the consumer base has purchased their product. The outcry would be unthinkable, but they will find a way I'm sure.

I still think that M$ should eat more crow, and that the XBONE's sales should suffer as a result. Such results are the only way to dissuade such anti-consumer policies.

Still, PS4 is $100 cheaper, and XBONE is like the abusive spouse who promises to be good. Sure, the internet may turn the consumer base into a mob from time to time, but we're a well-informed mob.

Oh did they undo that?
I've been too busy.

i dont know whats scarier.the first panel or the nightmare fuel second panel....

Z of the Na'vi:
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That is the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

That is sime High Octane Nightmare Fuel right there. Why would you do this to us?

scienceguy8:
Man you guys work fast. What was it? Wednesday?

Still, no desire to buy an XBox One. My PC/Mac does just fine, thank you very much. Plus if they were willing to do this once, they'll be willing to do it again someday.

this is pretty much my stance. This wasn't a PR stunt, this is something they completely felt justified;righteous even; in doing and we were the ones with the problem. They're only falling back because they realized they wouldn't get away with it, which isn't the same a being wrong. If they had no problem this time it means they won't have a problem doing it or worse again in the future.

Any commenters care to take a guess as to what percentage of the buying public will let this reversed decision affect their purchase choice? What percentage will even know there was a controversy?

My guess: 1-2% on the buying choice, less than 5% will know there was a policy decision made at all.

While there was a small chance that this debacle could have been the butterfly wing flap that caused a hurricane (and thus was probably worth MS reversing their decision), this will mostly be forgotten by the next news cycle.

The 10,000 knowledgeable hard-core that might decide to punish MS will be completely lost in the millions that will buy from Walmart and don't even know what DRM is... (Among my non-geek XBox 360-owning friends, only 1 of 5 had heard of the Red Ring of Death.)

It's fun to debate, but it's helpful to remember that we all exist inside a bubble that is statistically insignificant as far as real sales goes.

He was less scary when he was Jason. o.o

TomWest:
Any commenters care to take a guess as to what percentage of the buying public will let this reversed decision affect their purchase choice? What percentage will even know there was a controversy?

My guess: 1-2% on the buying choice, less than 5% will know there was a policy decision made at all.

While there was a small chance that this debacle could have been the butterfly wing flap that caused a hurricane (and thus was probably worth MS reversing their decision), this will mostly be forgotten by the next news cycle.

The 10,000 knowledgeable hard-core that might decide to punish MS will be completely lost in the millions that will buy from Walmart and don't even know what DRM is... (Among my non-geek XBox 360-owning friends, only 1 of 5 had heard of the Red Ring of Death.)

It's fun to debate, but it's helpful to remember that we all exist inside a bubble that is statistically insignificant as far as real sales goes.

This is - unfortunately - depressingly true. I hope some people do their homework before buying a console, but it won't be enough. Damn the uninformed masses. Damn them

KeyMaster45:

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

For consistency with KH3 I'd suggest using the PS4 instead of an Xbone. Plus I think KH HD 1.5 Final Remix Super Explosion Money Fun Time (seriously, just call it the KH HD Collection; rolls off the tongue much better) will be exclusive to the PS4.[sic] Plus it's cheaper, so if anything I'd say buy the PS4 first if you're really hankering for a console and then wait for the Xbone to drop down from its $500 price point; or buy one used just to give MS the finger. (which I assume will happen right after they realize nobody is hooking up their Kinects)

I can only find the hd collection for ps3, do you know of any links that confirm ps4 as well?

OT: Speaking as someone who only had an original xbox and xbox 360, yeah that's what happened.

Lilani:

tdylan:

Lilani:
I'd still go for the PS4 if I were you. Apart from Kingdom Hearts, the x-bone still requires that registration connection, and from what I understand it needs to be connected every time you install a game from disc. So...yeah. Every time you load a new game you have to be connected, that'll be annoying.

What? No ****ing way! If true, that didn't really fix the problem. If I'm deployed overseas, I can't have my family send me any new games, and I can't buy new games on base because each game will require me to be connected to the internet to install it? If so, they're still screwing the people with no internet.

Okay, actually I just researched it, and that might be wrong. You can install a game to the cloud if you want, but after that first-time registration no more internet connection is required for disc-based games, if I'm reading right. Using the cloud isn't required. So either what I heard is an unjustified rumor spawned from hate, or I just misunderstood.

Either way I'm still getting the PS4, though. We're three weeks post-announcement and we still aren't 100% clear on how the x-bone works. Even before this change there was still misinformation and questions floating around. That's ridiculous, and very sketchy. And the pressure doesn't change the fact that they still saw people without Internet as a disposable part of their customer base.

Nimcha:
All this focus on tangential stuff is very annoying. With a new console come new games, that's what all the attention should be on. But neither Microsoft nor 'the internet' seems to care about that. :(

However, consoles are what makes playing those games possible. So how the consoles run is a pretty big deal ;-)

Actually, I heard a rumor that the game sharing was more of a glorified demo. Your friend downloaded the game and could play it for 15-60 minutes and then would be stopped, taken to the store and asked if they wanted to purchase the game.

Not sure if it's true, but I only just got home and haven't looked to see if the rumor has any teeth.
Also, I totally expect to see a Neo RROD from what I heard of the production.

Dark Knifer:

KeyMaster45:

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

For consistency with KH3 I'd suggest using the PS4 instead of an Xbone. Plus I think KH HD 1.5 Final Remix Super Explosion Money Fun Time (seriously, just call it the KH HD Collection; rolls off the tongue much better) will be exclusive to the PS4.[sic] Plus it's cheaper, so if anything I'd say buy the PS4 first if you're really hankering for a console and then wait for the Xbone to drop down from its $500 price point; or buy one used just to give MS the finger. (which I assume will happen right after they realize nobody is hooking up their Kinects)

I can only find the hd collection for ps3, do you know of any links that confirm ps4 as well?

Sorry, that was me being uninformed and having the release date of the collection wrong. As it stands there's no mention of the collection being on PS4; though frankly they really should release it for that as well since we'll all be relegating our PS3's to the closet soon.

Only reason I'm disappointed in microsoft is because they didn't have the balls to stick with it.

Z of the Na'vi:
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That is the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

My thoughts exactly. With a face like this, why would you even need a mask?

KeyMaster45:

Dark Knifer:

KeyMaster45:

For consistency with KH3 I'd suggest using the PS4 instead of an Xbone. Plus I think KH HD 1.5 Final Remix Super Explosion Money Fun Time (seriously, just call it the KH HD Collection; rolls off the tongue much better) will be exclusive to the PS4.[sic] Plus it's cheaper, so if anything I'd say buy the PS4 first if you're really hankering for a console and then wait for the Xbone to drop down from its $500 price point; or buy one used just to give MS the finger. (which I assume will happen right after they realize nobody is hooking up their Kinects)

I can only find the hd collection for ps3, do you know of any links that confirm ps4 as well?

Sorry, that was me being uninformed and having the release date of the collection wrong. As it stands there's no mention of the collection being on PS4; though frankly they really should release it for that as well since we'll all be relegating our PS3's to the closet soon.

Na that's fine mate, thanks for the info :)

And yeah I'm hoping the same thing because I don't have a ps3 and it's a bit late to justify one until prices start dropping but hopefully this cloud emulation will get all the games I want to try.

oskalaboska:

Treaos Serrare:

Rafiuddin Alauddin:
I was planning on buying Kingdom Heart 3, since Microsoft reverse their decision on the important issue, it gonna be a bitch deciding which one to buy now. Its 180 moves like that makes it hard for consumers to make any easy decision. Hopefully, that will change in the near future

Is it though? honestly I doubt that it is, the XBone came out the gate like a prisoner telling his cellmate that he is gonna fuck him in the ass whether the cellmate likes it or not, the appearance of a well sharpened shiv changes his tune a bit but he is still a threat to the cellmate.
M$ will sneak their bullshit in again one way or another eventually and anybody with a lick of sense knows that and wont buy their 1984-brick

Can I just say, that is the most apt analogy I've ever read to my feelings on this whole situation.

it seemed appropriate, since M$ comes on like some horribly bastardized version Jekyll and Hyde where both personalities are wretched examples of humanity

Mehall:

Z of the Na'vi:
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That is the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

Scary, but not as scary as Lemongrab creepers.

Fuck this video:

0_0 Good, God.......

Anyway, I wonder how the X-box one will do. From what some people have been saying it sounds like even with the online check-ins gone it will still need an internet connection to "really" work.

I guess we'll see, when we see.

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