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Korten12:

uchytjes:

TiberiusEsuriens:
I've had people tell me FMA wasn't good anime because it was "too westernized." Ha.

Also, Elric brothers are kick-ass.

By that logic, Cowboy Bebop was horrible. (Spoiler alert: It was awesome)

Well I did hear that Cowboy Bebop was a lot more popular in the west then it was in Japan where it sort of just faded away. If I am wrong someone correct me.

You are completely correct. Honestly, its the reason why most people thought the show didn't get a second season. Japan didn't like it when it came out, so they assumed it'd flop if a second season was made.

Great punchline. It got a chuckle out of me, since I love both shows and stories for different reasons.

Evangelion was anime's Watchmen. The heroes and side characters made all the most selfish, cowardly, and wrongheaded choices imaginable and then savoring the moment these characters turn around and realize how terrible these choices were. Shinji, Misato, Gendo, Asuka, Ritsuko, Kaji, all of them had these moments and they are still indelible to me. Did the studio make some terribly cheesy and contrite money grab licensing deals? Without a hesitation or doubt, YES. This emerged from how EVA itself was made on a shoestring budget and the last 2 episodes suffered for this.

FMA original and Brotherhood were 100% undiluted awesome and homage to the hero's journey as experienced through 2 heroes with the same goal yet occupying different shades of the same worldview.

Daystar Clarion:

Izanagi009:

Daystar Clarion:
Gendo Ikari, best dad ever.

Shinji Ikari, only person to complain that he gets to pilot a giant robot and live with MILFsato.

Oh boy, here we go again. Let's see, he also has had various tragedies that we are lucky to never happen as stated in the comic: abandonment, low self-confidence, and extreme pain and agony to the point of wanting to die.

that giant robot, it will literally torture you as you fight because of the pain transmission, everytime an angel blast or rips a chunk of flesh off, you feel that agonizing pain and since the actual damage is not occurring on your body, it tend to cause a mental drain

as for the women, Misato has her own problems and as of Eva 3.0 kind of hates Shinji for third impact. Asuka is extremely closed off and pushes Shinji away so hard that he feels even greater abandonment. Rei is pretty much a empty shell that can be replaced over and over and that continual cycle of having someone you are close to die and come back with no memory of your experience together would have an effect.

I'm honestly tired of people who say that Shinji should stop whining. The pain he goes through and the timeframe he experienced them would crack many people in real life.

Called it.

I'm very well aware of the actual implications of the show.

See, we have these things we do for comic effect.

You may of heard of them before, they're called jokes.

Now you see kids, this is what we call failing to read between the lines. As much as I love FMA it's also extremely formulaic. The evangellion angle is getting rehashed again. To reiterate that Shinji's an emotionally stunted character. Again. The joke isn't even funny and there's no actual punchline.

Jokes only work so far as they're funny. This isn't. On the plus side of things at least the Escapist can't say they're not green.

acosn:

Jokes only work so far as they're funny. This isn't. On the plus side of things at least the Escapist can't say they're not green.

I thought it was funny, and laughed. Maybe the problem is with you?

Just because you dont like a joke, doesnt make it any less of a joke.

Desert Punk:
[quote="acosn" post="6.820162.19797057"]
Just because you dont like a joke, doesnt make it any less of a joke.

It just makes it an unfunny joke, doesn't it?

Are Grey and Cory in love with Eva? How many comics have there been so far about this anime? You can't make this many without having some sort of liking for the show.

Eri:

Casual Shinji:

Daystar Clarion:
Shinji Ikari, only person to complain that he gets to pilot a giant robot and live with MILFsato.

29-year old women are milfs now?

Damn, I'm getting old.

Age has no bearing on milf status. If you have a kid as a woman, you are a mother.

And hopefully a Hot Mother who gives Juice Boxes after a night of fun. It's those extra things in life that make dating older women all the more worthwhile.

Smilomaniac:

Grey Carter:

He is a bit of a bamf when you think about it.

Because the responsibility of thousands of lives and being manipulated and tested by your sociopathic father in a modern day world is just a peachy life :)

Y'know, if you really have to think about it.

Lelouche was used as a bargaining chip by his dad after he had his mother killed, then abandoned and left to rot as a hostage in another country; alone and unloved, far away from home. He destroyed the most powerful empire in human history and then built a new world order through fear before doing what needed to be done to ensure peace. He killed several billion people when he dropped a nuke on Tokyo. His father attempted to wipe out all of time, and he had to kill his own mother. He killed his best friends lover who was preaching peace because his plan required there to be no peace until HE ensured it.

Yes, the life of a savior of humanity is harsh. No one of us would do better. But Lelouche and Al sucked it up and forged legends, dropping a few tears every so often, but never letting that bog them down.

AsurasEyes:

Smilomaniac:

Grey Carter:

He is a bit of a bamf when you think about it.

Because the responsibility of thousands of lives and being manipulated and tested by your sociopathic father in a modern day world is just a peachy life :)

Y'know, if you really have to think about it.

Lelouche was used as a bargaining chip by his dad after he had his mother killed, then abandoned and left to rot as a hostage in another country; alone and unloved, far away from home. He destroyed the most powerful empire in human history and then built a new world order through fear before doing what needed to be done to ensure peace. He killed several billion people when he dropped a nuke on Tokyo. His father attempted to wipe out all of time, and he had to kill his own mother. He killed his best friends lover who was preaching peace because his plan required there to be no peace until HE ensured it.

Didn't he just mess it up at the peace conference table?

I felt it was his most Mr. Bean-like moment.

Not gonna lie, I wanted Shinji to get a verbal-smackdown from Sergeant Hartman of real Marine-core fame.

Daystar Clarion:
Called it.

I'm very well aware of the actual implications of the show.

See, we have these things we do for comic effect.

You may of heard of them before, they're called jokes.

I think you mean flame-bait ;P.

Oh come on, it's like the 4th Critical Miss on Evangelion don't try to deny it! There are two running gags with these strips, one is Shinji being a pussy and the other is outraged Eva fans.

AceRay:
It just makes it an unfunny joke, doesn't it?

Are Grey and Cory in love with Eva? How many comics have there been so far about this anime? You can't make this many without having some sort of liking for the show.

He's said a few times he liked Evangelion 2.0. Makes sense considering it's all about advancing. Then 3.0 happened BWHAHAHAHA!

acosn:

Daystar Clarion:

Izanagi009:

Oh boy, here we go again. Let's see, he also has had various tragedies that we are lucky to never happen as stated in the comic: abandonment, low self-confidence, and extreme pain and agony to the point of wanting to die.

that giant robot, it will literally torture you as you fight because of the pain transmission, everytime an angel blast or rips a chunk of flesh off, you feel that agonizing pain and since the actual damage is not occurring on your body, it tend to cause a mental drain

as for the women, Misato has her own problems and as of Eva 3.0 kind of hates Shinji for third impact. Asuka is extremely closed off and pushes Shinji away so hard that he feels even greater abandonment. Rei is pretty much a empty shell that can be replaced over and over and that continual cycle of having someone you are close to die and come back with no memory of your experience together would have an effect.

I'm honestly tired of people who say that Shinji should stop whining. The pain he goes through and the timeframe he experienced them would crack many people in real life.

Called it.

I'm very well aware of the actual implications of the show.

See, we have these things we do for comic effect.

You may of heard of them before, they're called jokes.

Now you see kids, this is what we call failing to read between the lines. As much as I love FMA it's also extremely formulaic. The evangellion angle is getting rehashed again. To reiterate that Shinji's an emotionally stunted character. Again. The joke isn't even funny and there's no actual punchline.

Jokes only work so far as they're funny. This isn't. On the plus side of things at least the Escapist can't say they're not green.

I find it funny that you think jokes being funny or not is an objective thing :D

Funny that.

AceRay:

Desert Punk:
[quote="acosn" post="6.820162.19797057"]
Just because you dont like a joke, doesnt make it any less of a joke.

It just makes it an unfunny joke, doesn't it?

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I thought it was pretty funny, and I'm only loosely familiar with the source material.

You must like pocking NGE fans for views, I don't mind i find it hilarious, also helps FMA I so much better than NGE by a large margin. NGE you ether love it or hate it, put me in the later group.

I think it is worth pointing out that Shinji never has the amount of agency that the Elric brothers have. Where they slowly unravel the underlying conspiracy and know the stakes at the end, Shinji remains an unaware pawn in a game he doesn't know exists, and at end he just happens to have crossed the board.

And he really doesn't get to the "ready to cry" stage, before at the end, where it is pretty much justified, as he really has no one left to confine in.

The Gentleman:
Alphonse: making the best of a horrifying situation.

When your parents die, throwing yourself into martial arts is actually a pretty good coping mechanism.

That and tea appreciation.

Saltyk:

SadakoMoose:

Daystar Clarion:

For someone who claims to know how jokes work, you did real number missing the point of this one :D

Is it so much to ask that you actually read what I wrote and directly respond to me? Listen, if you didn't have anything to add or rebut regarding my argument, don't make another post and just let it go. If you want to have a discussion, then have a damn discussion and don't come back with one sentence "take downs". It's very clear that neither of us respects each other at this point, and I'm fine with that if it ends here.

Okay. Step away from the keyboard. Take a deep breath. Relax. You are taking this all way too seriously. And I take shit way too seriously!

This is a joke. If you didn't like it, you are entitled to your opinion. But realize others disagree. Daystar obviously disagrees. So do I. I found it funny. Relax. If you like it, this comic doesn't take away from that fact. Hell, I'm sure even people who liked EVA found this funny. I've found jokes mocking things I love hilarious. Why else would Little Kuriboh and Team Four Star be so popular? It's okay to laugh. Even at things you enjoy.

Also, I don't think Daystar was actually being rude. Just not taking it as seriously as you. Trust me. He's like that.

No no no, don't stop them! *pull up chair with a bag of popcorn* This is fun to watch.

OT: Welp, that puts FMA Brotherhood on my list of
"Animes to watch to watch that no matter how good they are will never erase my horrible memories of watching the EVA series/3.0 film"

Don't know who this Al fellow is, but he already gets points for 1. Having a design fit for a badass 2. He seems to cope with "his mother dying a horrific death" awfully well with a simple hobby, and 3. Still a better character then Shinji (But who isn't? I mean c'mon)

Daystar Clarion:
Gendo Ikari, best dad ever.

Shinji Ikari, only person to complain that he gets to pilot a giant robot and live with MILFsato.

A giant robot which he has no experience with and tortures him whenever he gets in it.

I can't tell now if these guys make these comics to piss off eva fans or are genuinely ill informed about eva. Or both.

ZexionSephiroth:

TwiZtah:

RJ 17:
I'd say that Al definitely copes better than Shinji. But then again, no one ever said Shinji was good at coping. Whining and refusing to hit on any of said hot chicks despite the fact that a number of them practically throw themselves at him: Shinji's got that one covered. But coping with emotional distress? Not quite his thing.

I've always said that if you need therapy, you won't after watching the last two episodes of Evengeleon. But if you don't need therapy, you most certainly will after watching the last two episodes of Evangeleon.

I'm sorry, it just doesn't make sense. Granted it's been damn near a decade since I've watched the series, but I remember leaving with the impression "WTF just happened? Soooooo was the entire point of the Angel Invasion just to get Shinji to stop being such a sniveling little bitch? Also apparently to get him to choke out that loudmouth redhead?" Some gay guy gets his head popped off and it brings about the end of the world as Shinji is sent to a purgatory that he can't escape from until he realizes "I am me and the me that matters is the me that I see me as. Other people might see a different me than the me that I see myself as, but those "me"s don't matter since they're not the true me. The true me is the me that I see myself as by reflecting the "me"s that other people create about me, but what's important is the me that I want to be because I'm me!" "CONGRATULATIONS!"

Neon Genesis was just created to be therapy for Hedaki Anno. He was struggling with depression when he wrote that piece of shit series.

It's overrated to fuck.

Here, here!

However... I can only wonder how confusing that Monologue would have been if the creator was suffering from Borderline Personality instead of Depression.

Instead of going "I only really need to worry about being myself", it would be an infinite loop of "Who am I? I Don't Know!"

Actually, lots and lots of great stories are written by depressed fellows.

Doesn't mean that EVA is great. I watched the first 4 episodes and it was boring and uninteresting. I seriously don't get what anyone sees in this show.

Izanagi009:

I'm honestly tired of people who say that Shinji should stop whining. The pain he goes through and the timeframe he experienced them would crack many people in real life.

Just because it's "good character development" in your mind doesn't mean we aren't all going to crack jokes about it.

Nobody likes a sad-sack and the joke that "Shinji needs a good lay" is probably pretty accurate. And made doubly funny by the fact that the plot has him as a bad-ass, robot-piloting, action-hero who saves the world while completely surrounded hot girls.

Doesn't mean that EVA is great. I watched the first 4 episodes and it was boring and uninteresting. I seriously don't get what anyone sees in this show.[/quote]

It starts out as just a generic giant robot fighting show and you think that its going down the same tropes. This is to trick you. around episode 12, things start to go... different and it deconstructs the genre. I actually think you should watch the last two episodes, seriously here, and then tell me if that's how you thought it would end. Its honestly a good idea

Alssadar:
I'm not going to say much, as I haven't watched Eva, but I thought this would be related:
EDIT: Picture related too small; I'm going to post a direct link, and I hope that's okay.
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1351/37/1351375431682.png

That aside, Alphonse definitely coped better.

lol the last sentence was too much for me

Flamezdudes:

Daystar Clarion:
Gendo Ikari, best dad ever.

Shinji Ikari, only person to complain that he gets to pilot a giant robot and live with MILFsato.

A giant robot which he has no experience with and tortures him whenever he gets in it.

I can't tell now if these guys make these comics to piss off eva fans or are genuinely ill informed about eva. Or both.

Because it's really easy to get their backs up?

I watched Evangelion, hell I still really like the show, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the humour of one aspect of the show blown out of proportion.

Maybe that's just me, but I always like jokes at the expense of things I like.

Kargathia:
To be fair though, if the roles were reversed, then Al still wouldn't (and couldn't) do much about the NGE harem throwing themselves at him.

Oh, you don't know Al. He'll have every one of them hoping their heart out that one day he will realize his dream and become a real boy again. And that they will be there when it happens.

And that he has no clothes on when he comes back. AND NEITHER DO THEY.

Alphonse Elric. Taking the title of Boss to new heights.

Darth_Payn:

Casual Shinji:

TiberiusEsuriens:
I've had people tell me FMA wasn't good anime because it was "too westernized." Ha.

Replace 'too westernized' with 'tonally schizophrenic', and I'd say they're onto something.

What do you guys mean "too westernized"? Was it because it wasn't set in Japan and the characters had no Japanese names? That's what didn't click for me with FMA, they didn't tell you where or when it's set, until the last few episodes, where they reveal it's an alternate universe 1920's Germany, I think. Although you are spot on about the tonal schizophrenia; they flipped back-and-forth between slapstick goofiness and depressive seriousness so much it gave me a new form of whiplash (seriously, there are way too many scenes of Edward speaking like he's a few seconds away from crying). I thought the last two panels of today's comic captured that wonderfully.

Were you watching the dubbed version? The voice of Ed - no, the whole dubbing of Ed changes his character a good ways towards "immature punk who screwed up and can't deal". I can't describe the real char in a few words, so I won't try.

But suffice it to say I started watching shows with subtitles at all because I once left them on by accident when Scar was showing Ed the graveyard at Lior. The dubbed dialogue was far enough off of the subtitled words that they weren't actually "saying the same thing" if you get what I mean. It was enough to make me aware that the characters weren't even sounding like the subtitled ones would, so I replayed the scene with the Japanese voices. I found that the characters were played *deeply* differently and they (and the scene) were way better for it.

I restarted the series with subs and haven't ever watched a foreign show with dubs since :)

mrhateful:
I've been wanting to see Neon genesis since everyone says that it is very good. However, from what I have seen of it is that it show cases the very worst stereo types of anime, (Weak main character, excessive fan service, all female characters clinging to the protagonist like flies around a turd, oh and that stupid thing anime does where the main character slips and land body first on a female touching her breasts looking embarrassed)

Yes Neon Genesis is flawed in many ways but for me it actually has some of the best characterisation I have ever seen (even if you may get INCREDIBLY frustrated with the characters at times). So give it a whirl and see if you enjoy it. If you do make it to the final two episodes you will be confused so watch the film (where it is neever explained how it sits in relation to the final two episodes). You will still be confused but you can then try come up with your own explanation, which is surprisingly fun. The fanservice in so far as it exists is there to reveal how incredibly creepy that shit is.

[/quote]Neon Genesis was just created to be therapy for Hedaki Anno. He was struggling with depression when he wrote that piece of shit series.

It's overrated to fuck.[/quote]

Just want to say it was the second anime series I picked up having no idea of it's significance and the controversy that surrounded, or the slavish devotion of some of the fans, or who Hideaki Anno is. And I fucking loved it. I suppose it's not to everyone's taste but to claim it's popularity is in some way fake isn't true.

If you don't like anime stereotypes, you will HATE Evangelion. I know I did. Stick with Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, Full Metal Alchemist (the other series in this comic, if you are unaware), and other stuff I'd call "anime for people who hate anime".

Hey I liked FMA and NGE. Maybe because I saw NGE before I saw much other anime so don't know the stereotypes.

Another solid comic showing why NGE has always bothered me as an anime.

Yes, Shinji deals with a lot of shit. But compared to other anime in general, it's not quite as awful as people make it out to be, and those other animes have their characters cope in much more sensible and constructive ways. Not to mention in many cases these other characters had to EARN that world-saving power. Shinji's literally just handed the keys to it, and yet he can't make up his damn mind whether to save the world or help destroy it.

RedmistSM:
-snip-

It's not that he "forgot" to turn it off. He lost control of his Geass at that moment. That's why he made the switch to the special lens to contain it, because he could no longer switch it on and off at will.

This is rather directly stated in the show itself, in multiple extended-length scenes no less. They make a pretty big deal about it. So I'm not sure how you missed it shy of just not paying attention.

In Shinji's defense Al doesn't have tear-ducks anymore.

Izanagi009:

Daystar Clarion:
Gendo Ikari, best dad ever.

Shinji Ikari, only person to complain that he gets to pilot a giant robot and live with MILFsato.

Oh boy, here we go again. Let's see, he also has had various tragedies that we are lucky to never happen as stated in the comic: abandonment, low self-confidence, and extreme pain and agony to the point of wanting to die.

that giant robot, it will literally torture you as you fight because of the pain transmission, everytime an angel blast or rips a chunk of flesh off, you feel that agonizing pain and since the actual damage is not occurring on your body, it tend to cause a mental drain

as for the women, Misato has her own problems and as of Eva 3.0 kind of hates Shinji for third impact. Asuka is extremely closed off and pushes Shinji away so hard that he feels even greater abandonment. Rei is pretty much a empty shell that can be replaced over and over and that continual cycle of having someone you are close to die and come back with no memory of your experience together would have an effect.

I'm honestly tired of people who say that Shinji should stop whining. The pain he goes through and the timeframe he experienced them would crack many people in real life.

Pretty sure he should just roll with the punches.

Anime coping is the best kind of coping! :)

hudsonzero:
did a eva DVD boxset fall on your dog or something because almost every comic has been making fun of it for the past few months.
also to many words in the second panel.

They make fun of it a lot because it brings in a lot of views which means a lot of money for them. Simple economics really.

I imagined Alphonse delivering his last line as if to imply that it was the obvious thing to do.

CriticKitten:

RedmistSM:
-snip-

It's not that he "forgot" to turn it off. He lost control of his Geass at that moment. That's why he made the switch to the special lens to contain it, because he could no longer switch it on and off at will.

This is rather directly stated in the show itself, in multiple extended-length scenes no less. They make a pretty big deal about it. So I'm not sure how you missed it shy of just not paying attention.

Sorry, I was exaggerating because it was a silly plot turn for the season one finale. Why would he ever say that specific commando he said, at that time, and his powers suddenly get turned on constantly? It would be like if Light was jotting down the names of his family and friends on a small notepad to remember who to invite to a party and, and OH NO! His powers have suddenly evolved and every notepad is a Death Note to him now.

RedmistSM:
Sorry, I was exaggerating because it was a silly plot turn for the season one finale. Why would he ever say that specific commando he said, at that time, and his powers suddenly get turned on constantly? It would be like if Light was jotting down the names of his family and friends on a small notepad to remember who to invite to a party and, and OH NO! His powers have suddenly evolved and every notepad is a Death Note to him now.

It's called bad timing. It happens in real life, too.

And the show directly states pretty early on that his powers will continue to evolve to the point where he'd struggle to control them. That's the whole reason for the introduction of Mao as a character (the guy who went insane because he couldn't shut his Geass off): to introduce the notion that Geass is a power that continues to grow, whether its user is ready for that growth or not.

So, again, were you paying attention when you watched the show? Because you're complaining about a "surprise" twist that was foreshadowed very blatantly. O_o

kailus13:

Legion:
Just admit you like NGE already Grey. Nobody makes this many strips about a single show they don't like.

Not that this stops this strip being 100% accurate. There is a strong argument for Shinji's attitude as being justified, but not so much when compared to a lot of other characters.

Both Ed and Al had a goal throughout the series though. Shinji doesn't have such a goal to keep him stable.

Because everybody would agree that totally justifies not biting the bullet and growing the fuck up.

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