Jimquisition: Gamer Guys

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No current issues, huh?

I wonder what the next bomb will be, but I'm sure it will be hard to top the nextgen console reveals.

oh crap ive never played shadow hearts i guess that makes me one of the guys Jim is talking about i mean i do have awesome calf muscles, and don't get me started on my nipples. although one thing i don't get was Jim supposed to be a girl in the premiss of this video cause that would be a little scary.

piscian:

I agree I think this issue was like 2 years ago now. Ive never personally seen a fake gamer girl but as long as they aren't interrupting my good time I don't care.

th3dark3rsh33p:
People still think there is an issue with fake gamer girls? Well that sure is interesting. However, it was funny as always Jim.

Well, it seems it sprang up a few weeks ago in the interwebz as I saw Jim ranting about it the half the last week on Twitter (as well as several other big industry names I follow there).

While I loved this video, and I fully appreciate this problems exists. I have to wonder, who has actually experienced it?

Male or female, where and how did you experience a "Fake girl gamer" insult?

I can't say I have but that said, I rarely engage in talks ingame and I don't otherwise socialise with people I'd consider ignorant

Shadow Hearts is not an obscure video game, goddammit!
also the answer is Amon, it's always Amon :)

Jim should have positioned fantasy Willem Dafoe on the other side of the podium, to illustrate that it's another universe.

Kurt Cristal:
Jim should have positioned fantasy Willem Dafoe on the other side of the podium, to illustrate that it's another universe.

Actually he should have worn a Goatee :)
Mirror Universe ftw!

Monxeroth:
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B-b-baka Jim!
I-it's not like i..i enjoyed the..episode or anything...stupid!

All is forgiven. You've won now. Possibly forever.

Goliath100:
Oh Jim Sterling, fighting and kissing their butt, you do love your straw men. But really Jimmy, your filler is getting dumber and dumber.

How fucking DARE you talk about my filler? That's way too personal for a public forum.

Well that was a hearty laugh. Thank god for Jim, I needed that on a Monday :)

*sigh* Get back on your meds Jim.

Y'know what? Imagine if there were such things as fake gamer girls and everyone integrated them into the community anyway! That way, the 'real' geeks would be accepted without protest, and the 'fake' ones would be forced to suffer an eternity of desperately pretending to enjoy something they don't.

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EDIT:

Monxeroth:
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B-b-baka Jim!
I-it's not like i..i enjoyed the..episode or anything...stupid!

This does strange things to my undercarriage. But....please continue.

Just clicking on the title, I knew "dis gon be gud."

Unfortunately, I think the people who most need to understand the content of this video won't understand it.

Also, I have no idea what "fusions" are in this context. I feel so ashamed.

WaitWHAT:
Y'know what? Imagine if there were such things as fake gamer girls and everyone integrated them into the community anyway! That way, the 'real' geeks would be accepted without protest, and the 'fake' ones would be forced to suffer an eternity of desperately pretending to enjoy something they don't.

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Kinda like ponies :D
..hey wait a minute :L

I'm a bit lost here. Are "gamer girls" really such an issue? I've actually never met any of these caricature gamer girlz that some people seem to be complaining about. What year is this?

I reckon this is jims wonderful way of responding to some of the comments from the zelda maybe getting her own game finally article on dtoid. Cause according to some sexist idiots apparently if that happens the universe will invert and all that is good in it will cease to be. -__-

spplmj:
Aww man... from the title I thought he was going to talk about the Dudebro gamers that the majority of publishers seem to cater to now.

So did I.

Kind of boring video to be honest, because it is the equivalent of mocking people who comment on youtube videos, 95% of us don't take them seriously in the first place. Plus the whole gender thing was finally starting to die down on here, but then again so have the forums in general, so perhaps a controversial topic was needed to boost it a bit.

Legion:

spplmj:
Aww man... from the title I thought he was going to talk about the Dudebro gamers that the majority of publishers seem to cater to now.

So did I.

Kind of boring video to be honest, because it is the equivalent of mocking people who comment on youtube videos, 95% of us don't take them seriously in the first place. Plus the whole gender thing was finally starting to die down on here, but then again so have the forums in general, so perhaps a controversial topic was needed to boost it a bit.

Yeah, well ... your avatar is cool.

Imre Csete:
No current issues, huh?

I wasn't aware this one had been resolved yet.

Gonna need a gif of your little dance at the end there.

Dat subtle exposition of about smooth bodies and nipples over Johnathan Holmes playing games ;).

I think Jim is just trying to pre-empt anything that might emerge from this years Con season, which isn't really in full swing until SDCC or so I'm told.

This is fairly relevant, if only as reference material.

TreuloseTomate:
I'm a bit lost here. Are "gamer girls" really such an issue? I've actually never met any of these caricature gamer girlz that some people seem to be complaining about. What year is this?

Pssst. It's cause they're not real.

OT: Loved it. I've always been confused by the vanity of some people. As if I would have spent all this time and money just to impress someone else.
The thing is, I'd love to have more nerdy friends IRL but I don't ever bring up that I like games because of the freaking nerd-police. In fact I'd love more people to play online with but I don't ever really use my voice or get to know people for the same reason.

EDIT: Seriously this video was too subtle for some people????

I agree here, a phrase I hear way too often for saying 'out of all the call of duty games I prefer the first one, the more recent ones seem to have lost the plot of what the game was about' that "Oh you're one of those guys..."

On the other hand I never finished Zelda or Mario, mostly because when I was young we never had a console, I got to play games on my father's work computer after hours, meaning that what most memorably what I got to play was along the lines of Doom and Quake, and later Age of Empires.

So then you get scoffed for being an old gamer who dislikes the way the industry is going, but then get scoffed for not playing the same titles the others did. A few friends are in the same situation, we get flak from all directions and ended up withdrawing from the community as a whole, playing by ourselves or amongst ourselves.

That being said, what is a true gamer, does our dedication to making the best of a situation, finding a way to play games even when we had such restricted access not count. That by the time we could have our own PCs, we spent the majority of our free time in a garage to LAN, sometimes for weeks on end. Does that not warrant the term gamer?

My point here being that if I was to be given Jim's test I'd likely fail, but then it doesn't change the fact that I've been gaming since I could create cognitive thought and have dedicated my life to it.

I realise that it's satire to a degree and that it's disproportional but at the end of the day true feeling lays behind it and in effect is an attitude no different to those you describe so flatteringly.

If people, corporations, like MSi would stop creating "fake PC techie gamer girl" then maybe the problem would vanish. If you're going to have a guide on how to build a gaming PC done be a Girl in a brae and panties don't have her touch the gold plating on the ram, or touch the leads on the CPU. And for heavens sake you need to be grounded before you take them out of the static bag, and stay grounded while you work. Other than the event with MSi I don't really see fake gamer girls anywhere as a problem or issue.

Jimothy Sterling:

Legion:

spplmj:
Aww man... from the title I thought he was going to talk about the Dudebro gamers that the majority of publishers seem to cater to now.

So did I.

Kind of boring video to be honest, because it is the equivalent of mocking people who comment on youtube videos, 95% of us don't take them seriously in the first place. Plus the whole gender thing was finally starting to die down on here, but then again so have the forums in general, so perhaps a controversial topic was needed to boost it a bit.

Yeah, well ... your avatar is cool.

Okay, now you just made me feel bad, and thank you, I like my avatar very much.

I think my problem with the gender debates isn't so much that the points are invalid, it's that it's like dripping blood into the ocean. It just causes a frenzy and makes me want to get the hell out of the water. (I like metaphors)

So please do not take it personally that I didn't like the video, it's just that for me the topic has been discussed so much and so aggressively that it's almost off-putting.

That said, apparently this was in response to something on Destructoid as opposed to a general rant, so perhaps I ought to see the context that caused it.

Dayyyymn... it's all sorts of seven ways of gay up in here at the moment.

Is it a VIP thing? Do I need a ticket?

How much to cuddle with the big man with a red tie?

That belt buckle one hurt my feelings :'(

Apart from that "Nyahahaha! Good one"

TreuloseTomate:
I'm a bit lost here. Are "gamer girls" really such an issue? I've actually never met any of these caricature gamer girlz that some people seem to be complaining about. What year is this?

The next guy posting can cover this:

LazyAza:
I reckon this is jims wonderful way of responding to some of the comments from the zelda maybe getting her own game finally article on dtoid. Cause according to some sexist idiots apparently if that happens the universe will invert and all that is good in it will cease to be. -__-

As terrible as the thought of Zelda getting her own game is, it could be worse. At least she's a girl. Could you imagine a world where they took a wholesome, mach dude like Samus Aran and made him into a chick just to appease those rabid feminazis who exist predominantly in my head? Or if they made that guy from Tomb Raider (forget his name) into a girl. I mean, at least in those games I could childishly stare at "her" bum, but it would be too weird to play as a girl for me to handle.

Awesome special FX Jim. :)

That said, after I got done laughing I decided I'd toss out something similar to my usual comments about the overall point of this episode.

Like it or not there are differences between guys and girls as far as perception and manipulation goes. In general dudes can be manipulated through media by an attractive girl, or the belief they are dealing with one, far more easily than girls can be manipulated by hot guys. This is why you see so many companies using spokesmodels, filling events with party girls (or booth babes), or in the case of Japan doing things like getting female voice operators to talk in higher pitched tones of voice (attractive for the culture apparently).

The reaction to female gamers is what it is because of how saturated the market has become with women trying to manipulate guys, to the point where it's become expected. This goes so far as to get girls who pretend to hang out at social events, cons, etc... to create a scene and to also lead guys in specific directions. You even see it at Renfaires and such where the people running booths will hire the cutest girls they can get to walk the grounds showing off whatever they are selling, and pretending to be other tourists. When you go to conventions, and not just gaming ones, you see the same exact thing going on. That's not paranoia either, I've met a good number of women who have done this kind of thing. As a matter of public record companies like Ubisoft formed things like the "Frag Dolls" as a
promotional gimmick to sell their products, which is a variation on this.

On a more personal level a lot of girls, especially young girls, learn at an early age to manipulate guys. Whether it's football or video games, a lot of girls feign interest in whatever guys like to get things out of them. This can be anything from a "Camwhore" trying to get guys to buy her things off her Amazon gift list, to a girl trying to get you to do her homework or be her personal free taxi service.

Geeks, by being social outcasts who really wish they could have hot girlfriends, become prime targets for manipulation. Once you get burned a bunch of times, paranoia of a sort sets in, and it's a fairly justified paranoia.

One thing I will point out that rarely enters into these discussion is that the less attractive and/or more freaky a girl is, the more likely she is to be accepted as a gamer or within the geek culture. As a general rule, if a girl could be hanging off the arm of some Jock or successful/socially apt dude, the more suspicious a geek is likely to be of her ultimate motives.

Obscure gaming questions tend to be "touring questions" in cases like this. Sort of like what a real lesbian might do to root out guys pretending to be lesbians online (lol). It's less about there being a correct answer, or an actual test of knowledge, but rather a matter of reaction. To give an example, if someone comes up to a real geek and asks a question about some obscure Japanese video game, he might not know the answer but the way he inquires about it, and mentions ones that he has plays is what is going to make him genuine. When it comes to some geek girl being asked say "what is your favorite Shadow Hearts transformation?" (if such came up) it's less about her having to have played that game to be real, but more about whether she becomes defensive. A "proper" answer for someone that was ignorant would be to say "I haven't played that is it similar to [insert other RPG where you combine and transform characters, like say Soul Fusions in Persona or Demon Combining in other SMT games or whatever)" or something similar that fits
into the conversation.

To be honest one of the reasons so many people (including me) laugh at pics with geek girls making snappy comebacks "Oh I haven't read the entire run of Batman, but neither have you" is that they miss the point in the course of trying to defend the trend. If you like Batman you might not know every bloody obscure thing he's ever done (like say using a Bat-Monster truck loaded with fully automatic tranquilizer guns) but if your a serious fan you can turn something you didn't know into quite a conversation and that's kind of the point.

Ah well, I doubt many people read this far, and very few will agree with me, but that's my two cents.

When it comes to the acceptance of geek girls of all stripes and physical apperance into the "community" (such as it is) it's not something that can be forced. It will happen over time, but understand that the social intertia of decades upon decades of geeks being manipulated by cute girls is not something that is going to disappear comparatively overnight because more girls are gaming and discovering/getting involved in fandom for real.

Legion:
for me the topic has been discussed so much and so aggressively that it's almost off-putting.

Hello, I'm a person, allow me to debate you on gender ethics in video gaming and contextualise my argument with several paragraph long posts raising roughly the same point repeatedly in succession without actually responding to anything you've said.

I hope you enjoy your day :)

Therumancer:
a lot of girls feign interest in whatever guys like to get things out of them.

An ex of mine wasn't particularly into video games and took the time to get involved with what I was I playing so we could have more common interests, that interest carried on after the relationship and she (like many people) was suitably annoyed at the ending of ME3. Similarly I took an interest in LotR, not just the films but the books and all associated elements of the overall mythos, for that same woman and that interest has similarly carried on beyond the relationship.

People tend to incorporate elements of those who they interact with into their personality, its perfectly normal, and rarely in a relationship will you find someone who is just as into everything you're also into. That isn't expressly manipulation, although it might work out that way in some cases I can assure you that that kind of manipulation isn't exclusively restricted to the female gender.

I'm regularly into all sorts of things I have no actual interest in, like theatre or Downton Abbey, if the girl I'm hitting on in that moment happens to be into something that I can easily bullshit an interest in. It works too... so why is somehow a bad thing?

I have no idea what I just watched...
Whatever the joke was it went completely over my head.

Was he commenting on wannabe girl gamers as portrayed by the media and switching gender to male was the joke?
Was he just mocking the 30 year old hardcore gamer who feels threatened by others who only now enjoy their hobby?
Or were the words supposed to be taken as is and being a wannabe male gamer is actually a thing now?

Either way, I've never been exposed to any of the above beyond forum trolls.

Heh, I was expecting this to be about dudebro gamers as well.

I have to say that I didn't think the satire was very good, but he got it to work on the back of excessive homoerotica. Wouldn't have pulled it off if it wasn't for him talking about penises.

babinro:
Was he commenting on wannabe girl gamers as portrayed by the media and switching gender to male was the joke?

That was it, yeah.

Zachary Amaranth:
Just clicking on the title, I knew "dis gon be gud."

Unfortunately, I think the people who most need to understand the content of this video won't understand it.

Also, I have no idea what "fusions" are in this context. I feel so ashamed.

When I saw the title, I thought to myself "uh oh, this is going to be painful to watch" hmm, it was ok.

wonder what he's going to talk about next

Captcha: power tools

oh, look at that. Wonder if he is going to talk about it next

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