Jimquisition: Gamer Guys

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Magog1:
I've never met people who bitched about girls being there. Is this really a huge problem?

In short:

A: There are people pretending to be gamers to be part of a social club they have no interest in.
B: There are people complaining about the above.

Neither is a huge problem, but as we all know, you aren't allowed to complain about women in any form or way, unless you want to see 48 articles and 5 Jimquisitions about it.

Basically some are butthurt that gaming is becomming mainstream culture that includes jocks and popgirls.
What Jim doesn't mention, likely because it's satire, is that this isn't exclusive to girls or that it's not a huge following of people that believes it's an offensive wave of injustice towards gamers and the gaming culture.

Also, the more we see these articles and videos, the more people believe the gaming culture is completely intolerant and so we strike down hard on anyone who might say something potentially offensive about women, gay people, people with religious beliefs or with a different skin color(But never men in general. Because we can take it.).

So, there's not a huge problem, but there is a lot of intolerance going around and you'll meet it anywhere, just like in real life.

Here are a few visual examples(NSFW):

thebakedpotato:

I thought that in order to be considered a gamer you just had to... y'know... like playing video games?

I really don't get the whole "we're all gamers, everyone hold hands and sing" mentality. This isn't a Dr. Seuss book, it seems like we should be allowed to make distinctions between people who clearly have different interests from one another, it's not a bad thing. It just seems like the person who actually enjoys the medium, blogs about it and/or (at least) goes to the escapist to talk about it is a much different person then the individual who only plays Angry Birds on their phone to pass time in waiting rooms, or the guy who only plays the newest CoD because "Fuck yur Amurrrrrica" is going through his head 24/7. It just seems like the term "gamer" should denote some sort of genuine interest in games? It's not like it's hard, or this is an exclusive club or something. It's something everyone is fully capable of doing and being part of, they just choose not to.

SonicWaffle:
The one thing that still puzzles me about the whole Fake Girl Gamer thing is why people are so sure this happens. The rationale seems to be that attractive girls will pretend to enjoy things they don't, just to get male attention.

Because this is the only way for an attractive girl to get attention, obviously.

Maybe it's my lack of understanding regarding the fairer sex, but it seems to me that there are probably easier ways than faking an entire hobby, if all you're after is attention. It's quite egotistical when you think about it, that the people who rage loudest about the supposed phenomena are so sure that women want their attention, sure enough that they believe women are willing to pretend to be what they aren't just to earn their interest.

Gamers are outcasts, or were, they built an enclave

Now Cute Girl comes along, I mean does her her, lipstick absolute pinnacle of trendy cute.
This is Not An OutCast, what the hell is she doing here and why?
Its the same thing as Samus Aran a player avatar getting all this attention because she's a female with a gun while simultaneous we have this thing about gamers misrepresenting strong independent women.

Not only is she not an Outcast but she can leave at any time. Maybe she's just looking good AND nerdy. So you ask just to be safe/sure.

Only this keeps happening And there have been big women in fandom for YEARS. Its insulting and prejudiced.

xPixelatedx:

thebakedpotato:

I thought that in order to be considered a gamer you just had to... y'know... like playing video games?

I really don't get the whole "we're all gamers, everyone hold hands and sing" mentality. This isn't a Dr. Seuss book, it seems like we should be allowed to make distinctions between people who clearly have different interests from one another, it's not a bad thing. It just seems like the person who actually enjoys the medium, blogs about it and/or (at least) goes to the escapist to talk about it is a much different person then the individual who only plays Angry Birds on their phone to pass time in waiting rooms, or the guy who only plays the newest CoD because "Fuck yur Amurrrrrica" is going through his head 24/7. It just seems like the term "gamer" should denote some sort of genuine interest in games? It's not like it's hard, or this is an exclusive club or something. It's something everyone is fully capable of doing and being part of, they just choose not to.

I could do all that... Or I could... Ya know... Play video games. Something that I enjoy doing.

I can think of sooooo many male gamers of my acquaintance who need to see this video...

itsausernamewhatofit:

Andy Shandy:
This video is clearly bullshit.

Are you trying to say that Jonathan "Hot Scoops" Holmes has no talent?!

Shame on you, Jim!

The issue with Jonathan Holmes, star of the hit program "Soda Baby" is that he seems to want to bring up video games at the most inappropriate times just to try to show off. It's like, you're listening to a wonderful bout of life advice or some brilliant plan for a film and he just HAS to bring up video games because he runs around playing them in a tight shirt. It's just obnoxious and offends me personally.

Personally, I think if you give the performance of a lfetime that he gave in V For Vendetta 2: D For Deep Dicking, you're allowed to talk a tiny little bit about video games, every now and again.

I mean, this poster is beautiful but it doesn't convey even an iota of the sort of performance that they man who would be Freaky Constantina gave.

The trailer only helps a little more

Jandau:
I get the impression that Jim might be gay...

Jim has trancended your puny concepts of "gender norms" and has become a god of sensuality.

Smilomaniac:

Also, the more we see these articles and videos, the more people believe the gaming culture is completely intolerant.

Something I think bears quoting. I do believe that the over saturation of such things has led to people believing it is a far more common issue than it actually is. Much in the same way that Western media so frequently portrays Muslims in a bad light that many cannot seem to understand that most Muslims are not in fact terrorists.

When your input on a particular subject is always the same thing it starts to seem common because there is no alternative discussion. We hear about the idiots who make sexist comments on a regular basis, but nobody mentions the tens of millions of gamers who don't make them. The millions who are perfectly normal people who are pleasant to game with. Much like the general media, we only ever hear about the bad news, because it stands out.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen and that it isn't a problem, but I think some people need to take a step back and gain a more realistic perspective of it all. The way some people on here talk about it, you'd think we are back in the time of the suffragettes and slavery in America.

Windknight:

http://www.themarysue.com/rae-johnston-fake-geek-girl-gamer-tweet/

bit of a corrections though - she was a gaming editor on a techsite, so not exactly as I described her.

I laughed a lot when I originally read that, serves the idiot right.

FizzyIzze:

Legion:

That would be The Last of Us. The multiplayer by the looks of the coloured parts. I recognise the inventory, but the red/blue thing I don't, but I did not play the multiplayer myself.

Ah, okay. "Survivors".

Thank you.

You are welcome.

Darmani:
Gamers are outcasts, or were, they built an enclave

I'm more of a Brotherhood of Steel guy, myself.

Darmani:
Now Cute Girl comes along, I mean does her her, lipstick absolute pinnacle of trendy cute.
This is Not An OutCast, what the hell is she doing here and why?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's probably to play videogames. What I don't get is the logical leap from "that is an attractive girl" to "that is an attractive girl, she must be here because she thrives on the attention of self-designated outcasts, what a fake". It doesn't really follow - I just can't see why the next step is to assume that this hot girl can only be bothering with the hobby for attention when there are probably easier ways.

Darmani:
Its the same thing as Samus Aran a player avatar getting all this attention because she's a female with a gun while simultaneous we have this thing about gamers misrepresenting strong independent women.

I don't follow you...

Darmani:
Not only is she not an Outcast but she can leave at any time. Maybe she's just looking good AND nerdy. So you ask just to be safe/sure.

Anyone can leave at any time. Playing video games isn't something inherent to our DNA that we can't stop doing in case it kills us.

uanime5:
Unfortunately human can't just get over these things. For some reason humans have evolved so that when they've been hurt by someone they regard as different they're less willing to trust other people who are different in the same way. For example if a white man is mugged by a black man he'll become more distrusting of black people but if he was mugged by a white man he won't be as distrusting of white people. So while a woman might find it easy to get over being hurt by other women a man will find it much more difficult. Similarly a woman who's been hurt by a man will find it much more difficult to trust other men than a man hurt by another man.

But again I ask: is that any excuse to treat people who have done nothing wrong poorly? If you have psychological baggage, then you should either deal with it, or at least accept responsibility for what happens. If someone has a bad experience with a black person, that doesn't make them becoming a flaming racist "okay." They're still going to be responsible for what they say and do, and being racist is still not acceptable. If they can't bring themselves to treat people with respect, then the only responsible course of action is to get help and separate themselves from those situations as much as possible.

So if a person's baggage regarding women is really so great that it's preventing them from treating them with a certain level of respect and decorum, then they need to isolate themselves until they've got it under control. You can't just run around for your entire life being a total asshole and hiding behind "Oh, but I have issues with my past!" every time someone calls you out on it.

thebakedpotato:

I could do all that... Or I could... Ya know... Play video games. Something that I enjoy doing.

And I certainly believe you do, the one calorie of energy it took to type something on the escapist is evidence enough of that. That fact that you are even willing to debate this shows you like video games. There are people out there who wouldn't even expend that much effort, they just don't care. Even I am that way with other things.

I have seen some football games in my life, but I don't really give a damn about it. I only watched them because I was at a friends house and that's what everyone was doing. I couldn't tell you anything about football, because I didn't care to find out about any of it, still don't. I'm not a football fan. My friends - on the other hand - just can't stop talking about it, they even have fantasy football leagues. They're football fans. I could easily be if I wanted to be, but I don't. I just don't care enough.

Darmani:
Gamers are outcasts, or were, they built an enclave

Now Cute Girl comes along, I mean does her her, lipstick absolute pinnacle of trendy cute.
This is Not An OutCast, what the hell is she doing here and why?
Its the same thing as Samus Aran a player avatar getting all this attention because she's a female with a gun while simultaneous we have this thing about gamers misrepresenting strong independent women.

Not only is she not an Outcast but she can leave at any time. Maybe she's just looking good AND nerdy. So you ask just to be safe/sure.

Only this keeps happening And there have been big women in fandom for YEARS. Its insulting and prejudiced.

Your profile says you're from America, and if that's the case then I'm afraid you really need to work on how you write. Because if you reread this word for word, exactly as you punctuated it, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

What are you trying to say here? That it's alright to check to see if someone is a "real" nerd because they aren't fat? I'm fat, but I'm also running 2.5 miles four times per week. Will my nerd credentials expire when my pant size drops below a certain number? Will I then be subjected to these "checks" because I'm just "too cute" to be accepted on face value?

So who else didn't think this was a satire until the halfway mark?

Darmani:

Gamer Girls... maybe but its really just a whole thing. Earlier this year an ACTUAL comic book creator tweeted a rant about females and conventions and cosplay being attention whores with no respect for their work or the medium.

A professional in his industry publically said that.

And there was the Cross games last year and other stuff.

So he made a moron out of himself? Did you actually read his rant, it was EXACTLY how Jim behaved in this episode.

I cant remember if Ive said this before, but Im gonna say it anyway. I dont give a crap.I appreciate a pretty Gal as much as the next Hetero Male. Sometimes I even go in for some racy type stuff ( keeping the comments PG for my Ladies sake) but dammit, dammit, dammit I am so sick and tired of the whole COSPLAY-Chiks. I know a few who are actually pretty cool-and BIG Shocker, love and read Comics.So as in all things, they are the exception to the rule. Heres the statement I wanna make, based on THE RULE: "Hey! Quasi-Pretty-NOT-Hot-Girl, you are more pathetic than the REAL Nerds, who YOU secretly think are REALLY PATHETIC. But we are onto you. Some of us are aware that you are ever so average on an everyday basis. But you have a couple of things going your way. You are willing to become almost completely Naked in public, and yer either skinny( Well, some or most of you, THINK you are ) or you have Big Boobies. Notice I didnt say GREAT Boobies? You are what I refer to as "CON-HOT". Well not by my estimation, but according to a LOT of average Comic Book Fans who either RARELY speak to, or NEVER speak to girls. Some Virgins, ALL unconfident when it comes to girls, and the ONE thing they all have in common? The are being preyed on by YOU. You have this really awful need for attention, for people to tell you your pretty, or Hot, and the thought of guys pleasuring themselves to the memory of you hanging on them with your glossy open lips, promising them the Moon and the Stars of pleasure, just makes your head vibrate. After many years of watching this shit go down every 3 seconds around or in front of my booth or table at ANY given Con in the country, I put this together. Well not just me. We are LEGION. And here it is, THE REASON WHY ALL THAT, sickens us: BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT COMICS, BEYOND WHATEVER GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH YOU DID TO GET REF ON THE MOST MAINSTREAM CHARACTER WITH THE MOST REVEALING COSTUME EVER. And also, if ANY of these guys that you hang on tried to talk to you out of that Con? You wouldnt give them the fucking time of day. Shut up you damned liar, no you would not. Lying, Liar Face. Yer not Comics. Your just the thing that all the Comic Book, AND mainstream press flock to at Cons. And the real reason for the Con, and the damned costumes yer parading around in? That would be Comic Book Artists, and Comic Book Writers who make all that shit up.

His rant is targeted at cosplayer that are attractive, he assumes they don't know shit and is just overall an ass.

I've only seen this kind of attitude online, because in person, no one seems to care if you're a guy or girl who just got into the hobby, or if you've been playing games for the past 20 years. None of that matters, what matters is that everyone is enjoying something in common.

I always found the whole "I PLAY GAMES HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER THAN YOU" mentality laughable. You play games on superhardcoreextreeeeme, I play them on easiest. So what? You're better than me at pressing buttons.

I wish to hell some gamer girl would come up to me at a convention and talk games, anime or cosplay with me and we used that as a jump off point to become friends or more. Please gamer guys, don't screw this up for me..... because this sort of thing TOTALLY actually happens at cons.

I had to read 800 comments before understanding this video. I get it finally... I was just confused the entire viedo. Also, I have that add covering my comment box, so if my spelling is all messed up, it's not my fault.

SonicWaffle:

Goliath100:
. ...Why the game industry need to make more literature adaptations (aka Metro 2033) and fewer horrible adaptations of movies.

That's an odd assumption - why would the industry need more adaptations rather than more original IP?

Your question is somewhat malformed. I tried to say the industry need more literature adaptations instead of movie adaptations, not rather original IP. The answer of why I think that is simply that a adaptation of a novel is an adaptation of a story, not estetics that so many movie adaptations are. It will simply be a shortcut to a greater focus on meaningful narratives. That and Metro 2033 is a pretty sweet game.

xPixelatedx:

thebakedpotato:

I could do all that... Or I could... Ya know... Play video games. Something that I enjoy doing.

And I certainly believe you do, the one calorie of energy it took to type something on the escapist is evidence enough of that. That fact that you are even willing to debate this shows you like video games. There are people out there who wouldn't even expend that much effort, they just don't care. Even I am that way with other things.

I have seen some football games in my life, but I don't really give a damn about it. I only watched them because I was at a friends house and that's what everyone was doing. I couldn't tell you anything about football, because I didn't care to find out about any of it, still don't. I'm not a football fan. My friends - on the other hand - just can't stop talking about it, they even have fantasy football leagues. They're football fans.

I guess I just don't see the point of categorizing people into groups and generating anger and hate towards them when I could be spending that time playing video games and enjoying myself is all.

In the end they're people with free will and money to buy games with. And there's not a goddamned thing I could do to stop them in a free society, even if I wanted to. At the end of the day, sacrificing time and energy getting mad at complete strangers seems a waste of time.

Legion:

Imp Emissary:

Legion:

Vegosiux:

My main problem is that I simply haven't seen anything like what he talks int he video actually happen. Giving the benefit of doubt, this is either a geographical thing and much more prevalent elsewhere, or he's just plain fucking wrong. Still, I'm totally willing to believe it's a geographical thing.

Maybe because Slovenia, or the Balkans specifically still lives in the past. You're still an outcast if you're a gamer around here. No matter what your gender is. No matter what your job is. I mean what the fuck is wrong with you, you should be out there either making mad money or fucking everything that moves (or making mad money so you can throw it around so that everything that moves will want to fuck you). That's still the mentality here.

You could also be describing England. Although gaming is accepted in the sense that people on television and radio will admit to doing it, there is still that "Oh, I am such a loser for admitting it" kind of attitude around it.

Yeah. I kind of get what ya mean with the last part. Same here too, but it's getting better.

Anyway, you bring up some interesting stories, and some good points. I see what you're getting at. That said, I think getting the gaming community to become more inclusive over time isn't just possible, but rather something that is bound to happen.

But I digress. I have to disagree with you somewhat on the point about "how to fix the problem". (Also, I think we have had this conversation before. If so, sorry for repeating myself.

With you're example of the people who make the sexist/racist comments not because there racist/sexist, but rather just trying to hurt another person's feelings. I would argue that putting them in such a person in a behavior course even if they aren't "really" racist/sexist, could still help them to change for the better, and yes COULD is the operative word.

That said, most of the "PC crap" comes down to just trying to be nice to people. Yes, some take it overboard, but most find the middle. And you would be surprised what talking with someone can do for a person.

I had this one teacher for my Race, ethnic, and diversity studies class who once had a small group of racist skin heads sit in on one of her class lectures. It went as you would expect at first. Lots of interruptions and what not. Until my teacher started to ask them about them. In short, one of them would make a comment, she would ask who made it, find them(it was in a large auditorium), and keep asking why they said what they said. Why they think like that, what let them to think like that, and so on and so on. Until they just shut up.

Then at the end of the lecture, she saw one of the skin heads go up to one of her black students and hug her before leaving. (Granted the girls first response was to as the teacher if see was bleeding anywhere, but don't worry she was fine.) What I'm saying is sometimes even people with strongly held beliefs can change. So why not people who are just being jerks? The classes may not make them not sexist/racist as they already aren't overt bigots, but it could teach them to be a bit nicer. (Again, yes, COULD is the operative word, but it still operates in a positive direction from time to time.)

Again a good time to you.

(Side note: if you are "inebriated" while writing, so far I can't tell. Seems good to me.)
=w= b (<- Thumbs up face)

Lilani:
Will my nerd credentials expire when my pant size drops below a certain number? Will I then be subjected to these "checks" because I'm just "too cute" to be accepted on face value?

No, no. We won't throw you out. We'll just force you to sit a monthly check-up test to prove you haven't become one of the normals. You know, naming all the FFVII summons or reciting the steps to obtain the Biggoron Sword.

If you can't do it, then your credentials will expire, and you'll have to go away and be cool and popular.

Goliath100:

SonicWaffle:

Goliath100:
. ...Why the game industry need to make more literature adaptations (aka Metro 2033) and fewer horrible adaptations of movies.

That's an odd assumption - why would the industry need more adaptations rather than more original IP?

Your question is somewhat malformed.

Yeah, so's your face!

Ooooh. Sick burn.

Goliath100:
I tried to say the industry need more literature adaptations instead of movie adaptations, not rather original IP. The answer of why I think that is simply that a adaptation of a novel is an adaptation of a story, not estetics that so many movie adaptations are. It will simply be a shortcut to a greater focus on meaningful narratives. That and Metro 2033 is a pretty sweet game.

My point remains the same - why does the priority need to be adaptation at all? If novels work better than movies as the basis for a video game, then shouldn't something designed with a video game in mind be a better fit than either? Rather than adapting books because they might work better, we should be coming up with new ideas that will work better because that's what they were written for.

SonicWaffle:

Lilani:
Will my nerd credentials expire when my pant size drops below a certain number? Will I then be subjected to these "checks" because I'm just "too cute" to be accepted on face value?

No, no. We won't throw you out. We'll just force you to sit a monthly check-up test to prove you haven't become one of the normals. You know, naming all the FFVII summons or reciting the steps to obtain the Biggoron Sword.

If you can't do it, then your credentials will expire, and you'll have to go away and be cool and popular.

I thought we were the cool and popular now?

SonicWaffle:
No, no. We won't throw you out. We'll just force you to sit a monthly check-up test to prove you haven't become one of the normals. You know, naming all the FFVII summons or reciting the steps to obtain the Biggoron Sword.

If you can't do it, then your credentials will expire, and you'll have to go away and be cool and popular.

Hmmm, I see. Are any of these negotiable? Like, can I exchange the FFVII summons for the FFXI ones? Or instead of how to obtain the Biggoron sword, explain the difference between how Homunculi are made in the original series of Fullmetal Alchemist and how they are made in FMA: Brotherhood?

SonicWaffle:

Darmani:
Gamers are outcasts, or were, they built an enclave

I'm more of a Brotherhood of Steel guy, myself.

Darmani:
Now Cute Girl comes along, I mean does her her, lipstick absolute pinnacle of trendy cute.
This is Not An OutCast, what the hell is she doing here and why?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's probably to play videogames. What I don't get is the logical leap from "that is an attractive girl" to "that is an attractive girl, she must be here because she thrives on the attention of self-designated outcasts, what a fake". It doesn't really follow - I just can't see why the next step is to assume that this hot girl can only be bothering with the hobby for attention when there are probably easier ways.

Darmani:
Its the same thing as Samus Aran a player avatar getting all this attention because she's a female with a gun while simultaneous we have this thing about gamers misrepresenting strong independent women.

I don't follow you...

Darmani:
Not only is she not an Outcast but she can leave at any time. Maybe she's just looking good AND nerdy. So you ask just to be safe/sure.

Anyone can leave at any time. Playing video games isn't something inherent to our DNA that we can't stop doing in case it kills us.

Why? Only OUTCASTS play games here. We game here because we're outcasts and she's not just not one-of-us she's categorically from appearance never going to HAVE To be one of us, likely never went through the same things. I mean if a white couple joins a black church I assure you they will both stand out AND get talked about.

Samus Aran part...
Mainly the frustration with male nerd gatekeeping and the response to it by those against it. Gatekeeping IS wrong and a problem, to a degree. Most girls in gaming I know are perfectly legit. Others just dabblers, others are tangentially related (they like cosplay and its between conventions and this social gathering seems okay and they know who they cosplay as). They are all accepted. BUT also there is natural part where someone who who looks and acts say totally against nerd type joins. Lets say Brad Pitt got on an interview and professed his gamer credentials. It would seem ridiculous, at least to me. Male nerds are doing that to females who have been IN the culture and the vast swaths joining in recently. At least part of the initial rejection is they are new and different and not like them. And its underlining all response to them (women are reacting as a collective, experiencing as a collective, responded to as a collective).
If someone looks like they could hack it as normal and NOT socially rejected it feels off they just take a shirt FROM the socially rejected. They look like they are part of group that's trendy. So not just socially accepted but usually with recognition and social power/standing.

No one has to stay, but generally nerds leave nerd culture by "growing out of it" or ostracization. This person is just sampling. Also don't act like fairweather or faddish interest doesn't happen. Or that large amounts of female participation can break along familiar lines (ooh goggle at male model, cosplay, etc) And PART of the nerd culture is dealing with NOT being socially approved of as a whole and definitely not first pick in the eyes of women. So women who are likely first pick in the eyes of men, or higher up among their own gender, associating with them hits a skeptical response.

The prejudice is that it keeps happening and women are judged harshly for joining the boys when women have collectively realized. "HEY I've been hear as long as you have and deserve not to be treated as an invader, an alien, or an ornament to my male friends/boyfriend." And are making this known.

Guys have realized women are here and are changing things to more suit their interests and desires.

IF you desire more women in that social aspect, sure, that's great.

But also its another way to bring a social interaction and context you deliberately avoided or were shunned from INTO the subculture you went to. And women can bring things that are different from before.

Also if people can admit the hipster glasses are an affectation (and people need glasses to see) why is being put off by super hot girl posing sexily with consumer electronics (the new Car acceptable guy thing) with some reserve. Even extra creditz pointed this out in their early videos. Men feel pandered to and manipulated, women feel isolated. Booth babes and other things tie into this because its part of the experience of dealing with females in a context that feels insincere. And again there is the personal experience of the only interaction with the trendy cute girl being on their terms and interest and usually for something. Not shared interests or desperation due to being a sub-something. If you're fine with that, you're fine with that. But other people who joined the community not even longterm but just to escape from that. . .not liking having to deal with that same shit HERE.

Similar, again to say joining an open but predominantly black congregation. People will want to vet or just, hell, figure your deal because you seem THAT out of place.
Then add in the activities that can change when mostly mainstream girl joins or more likely to be into.

"Can I have that conversation with the person who looks like she would be anywhere but here? I mean she has that tshirt but.. uhm okay. I'll test her see if she's legit." That's assuming no cosplay, no glompme signs, no cross-interest stuff.

Jandau:
I get the impression that Jim might be gay...

Is he? I'd have sworn he mentioned being married to an American woman and having adopted her son. I could very well be misremembering that, though; I tend not to pay attention to the sexual orientation of anyone I'm not actively trying to have sex with.

Anyway, I like the video a lot. I'm aware of the fake gamer girl controversy, but I've never observed it myself, so the jokes didn't land as viscerally as they might have done. Still funny, though.

thebakedpotato:

SonicWaffle:

Lilani:
Will my nerd credentials expire when my pant size drops below a certain number? Will I then be subjected to these "checks" because I'm just "too cute" to be accepted on face value?

No, no. We won't throw you out. We'll just force you to sit a monthly check-up test to prove you haven't become one of the normals. You know, naming all the FFVII summons or reciting the steps to obtain the Biggoron Sword.

If you can't do it, then your credentials will expire, and you'll have to go away and be cool and popular.

I thought we were the cool and popular now?

Honestly, I'm pretty confused. On the one hand people are telling me that we're the cool kids now, and on the other people are saying we're a group of outcasts whose interests are still looked down on by the majority of society. It might be easier to think of it in terms of the latter - at least that way I can pretend that I'm uncool because of social prejudice rather than because I'm actually pretty lame!

Lilani:
Hmmm, I see. Are any of these negotiable? Like, can I exchange the FFVII summons for the FFXI ones? Or instead of how to obtain the Biggoron sword, explain the difference between how Homunculi are made in the original series of Fullmetal Alchemist and how they are made in FMA: Brotherhood?

Good lord, no. What is this, affirmative action? You want us to make things easier for you? We're not filling quotas here - either you're a proper gamer and you can recite every line of Half-Life 2 dialogue from memory, or you're just another of those poseurs trying to steal our hobby away.

Lilani:

Darmani:
Gamers are outcasts, or were, they built an enclave

Now Cute Girl comes along, I mean does her her, lipstick absolute pinnacle of trendy cute.
This is Not An OutCast, what the hell is she doing here and why?
Its the same thing as Samus Aran a player avatar getting all this attention because she's a female with a gun while simultaneous we have this thing about gamers misrepresenting strong independent women.

Not only is she not an Outcast but she can leave at any time. Maybe she's just looking good AND nerdy. So you ask just to be safe/sure.

Only this keeps happening And there have been big women in fandom for YEARS. Its insulting and prejudiced.

Your profile says you're from America, and if that's the case then I'm afraid you really need to work on how you write. Because if you reread this word for word, exactly as you punctuated it, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

What are you trying to say here? That it's alright to check to see if someone is a "real" nerd because they aren't fat? I'm fat, but I'm also running 2.5 miles four times per week. Will my nerd credentials expire when my pant size drops below a certain number? Will I then be subjected to these "checks" because I'm just "too cute" to be accepted on face value?

I will try.

Hmm. You believe I endorse this viewpoint for not vilifying it? OR I see it as understandable but wrong?

LUL ATTENTION, EVERYONE! I have penis and I <3 videogames! XD great episode jim.

JimB:

Jandau:
I get the impression that Jim might be gay...

Is he? I'd have sworn he mentioned being married to an American woman and having adopted her son.

"Marrying an American woman" is actually slang on the gay scene, and it means "endlessly fantasizing about David Boreanaz". "Adopting her son" means...well, it's not exactly work-safe, but you can find it in the footnotes to the most recent edition of The Gay Agenda if you're interested.

SonicWaffle:

thebakedpotato:

SonicWaffle:

No, no. We won't throw you out. We'll just force you to sit a monthly check-up test to prove you haven't become one of the normals. You know, naming all the FFVII summons or reciting the steps to obtain the Biggoron Sword.

If you can't do it, then your credentials will expire, and you'll have to go away and be cool and popular.

I thought we were the cool and popular now?

Honestly, I'm pretty confused. On the one hand people are telling me that we're the cool kids now, and on the other people are saying we're a group of outcasts whose interests are still looked down on by the majority of society. It might be easier to think of it in terms of the latter - at least that way I can pretend that I'm uncool because of social prejudice rather than because I'm actually pretty lame!

So am I... I go out and wear my company T Shirt to see if I can get a free drink. All that happens is I end up talking to the bartender about what games they like.

Darmani:

Why only OUTCASTS play games here we game here because we're outcasts and she's not just not one of us she's categorically from appearance never going to HAVE To be one of us. I mean if a white couple joins a black church I assure you they will both stand out AND get talked about.

Are you being held in gaming against your will?
Never `having` to be one of us? As if it's some terrible thing to resort to?
You don't sound like you enjoy it.

You know, you might have had a point if only conventionally attractive women who are new to gaming got this fake shit, but they don't. I'm kind of a plain-jane myself, and not new at all to gaming- and I was an OUTCAST too, and I still get this crap.
And it has to stop.

Sometimes I think that Jim completely forgets who his audience are. They are Escapists looking for some clever wit and a laugh or two or intellectuals looking for some sound knowledge/opinion being showered on an interesting topic. They are NOT goddamn teenage mouth-breathing Call Of Duty enthusiasts who constantly spout their hatred for gamer girls and therefore need a fucking lecture (no matter how "ironic") on how to behave. I got absolutely nothing out of this video, not even a laugh. I just said to myself "Oh, I see what you're doing here Jim" and then turned it off.

I mean what's next, a video about why homosexual people should be given equal rights as everyone else? Or a video explaining how girls can be just as intelligent as boys?

Oh dear god... even at their worst, the arguments here are sunshine and kisses compared to what they could be. I made the mistake of browsing onto some articles related to the topic over on PAR and... I couldn't take it. The level of blind idiocy... even the people I disagree with here, I can typically have a discussion with.

So, to all the people I disagree and argue with here... thank you.

SonicWaffle:

Honestly, I'm pretty confused. On the one hand people are telling me that we're the cool kids now, and on the other people are saying we're a group of outcasts whose interests are still looked down on by the majority of society. It might be easier to think of it in terms of the latter - at least that way I can pretend that I'm uncool because of social prejudice rather than because I'm actually pretty lame!

You have a large group (geeks) that have traditionally been outcasts, but someone (media companies) recently realized that there's a TON more geeks than was stereotypicaly acknowledged (due to many hiding said tendencies because of outcast status), and started widely catering to them. This happened alongside a sort of geek "revolution" with the geek culture coming to the same realization, resulting in the massive expansion of conventions and the like. Unfortunately, the perception of being an outcast continues, as does a strong (unhealthy) "Us vs. Them" mentality. So you have a group that has become a major target group of media ("cool kids", but only in the money-sink sense), that still gets horribly defensive about anything of theirs being questioned or any perception of threat, regardless of reality.

thebakedpotato:
So am I... I go out and wear my company T Shirt to see if I can get a free drink. All that happens is I end up talking to the bartender about what games they like.

I did once have a barman compliment me on my Penny Arcade t-shirt!

Well, I say compliment, he told me he wasn't going to mock me for ordering cider because Penny Arcade is awesome. Same thing, right?

Which company, out of interest?

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