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I absolutely planned to go see this movie as soon as I heard it was coming out and saw the first trailer. I grew up on kaiju films. Some of my best Sunday afternoons as a teenager were watching double features of rubber suit Gozilla and Hong Kong films with horrible dubbing. And I love giant robots. And Del Toro. Throw all of these things together? Take my money, please!

And honestly, even it it turns out to be a horrible, laughable flop... That's okay for me. I love laughing at those sorts of B-rate silly action films too. So this really is a win/win deal for me.

Falseprophet:
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A very well made point that only helps my case. It's nice to see a movie that is not based on an established franchise. But let's not fool ourselves. It fits the established mold. Giant Robots fighting alien looking creatures is not genre breaking. It's an established crowd pleaser. It just never looked this good. I am excited for this movie but it's not a landmark in any way. I am more excited that Del Toro is finally getting the credit and resources he deserves. I was quite upset he didn't do the Hobbit.

Yeah, I was planning on seeing this one.

YOu know they made a knock off called "Atlantic Rim" right?

Smilomaniac:
I'm sick of going to the movies. It's a hassle, it's expensive, it's full of annoying people, the sound is either too loud or grating, the queues, the advertisements and so on...

Admittedly, buying a blu-ray or dvd or whatever is a bit more expensive, but it's so much nicer to just get a disc or through an online service and do it at your own pace, you choice of time, the ability to pause it and so on.

With that in mind, it's kind of scary that the people attending cinemas are something you judge a movie by. I could imagine it would be a problem somewhere down the line, when we're much more adjusted to online services and the home cinemas that an increasing amount of people own.

So I won't go support it in cinemas, but depending on the reactions, I'll likely get it on blu-ray.

I'll agree with this, but I will be going to see it opening weekend hopefully.

I think the big thing is (at least in America) movie audiences are largely baby boomers with a smattering of young adults and teenagers mixed in. While you and I might be more likely to say, watch a stream of a DOTA 2 or LoL match from the comfort of our own places in 1080p with quality sound, many people don't do that. It's still a foreign concept to think of that as entertainment over TV or Movies. Movies have always been a social place to go to with friends. Thing is, I never liked that about them. All to often people talk your ear off during the film, people get up to move, you might have to leave to go to the rest room, people can be assholes.

I think box office money will start to decline once the younger generations start to get a bit older. I say this because from what I've seen, the trend is this... The Stay at home experience is getting more appealing and seeing a rise i quality, the theater experience is getting worse and not changing.

Not really sold on the film, looks pretty generic to me, nothing really excites me.

And Bob, you had to bring up the Amazing Spider Man didn't you? Again. Great. Thanks. Getting sick of you doing this every few episodes or so.

I'm a fan of the film and the film is a hell of a lot closer to the original source material than any Raimi film so stop digging on it. It's getting old, you've been doing it for like a year now.

Hmm, wasn't this the movie where they "borrowed" the voice of GLaDOS, from Portal?

I have to tell you, I am lukewarm to disinterested in Pacific Rim. Kind of weird since I can like giant monster movies. But I didn't see Cloverfield, either. Turns out I made the right call on that one since they added man-sized monsters to the mix, which is bullshit. But Pacific Rim just doesn't look very good. It seems to always take place at night and the CGI doesn't look very real. The robots, the monsters, the water, the buildings, the ground, the fucking sky all look fake as shit. And it's dark, so we can't see very well anyway. One part of the movie where it's explained in the trailer that the two pilots have to mentally link and share memories to pilot the damn things, you know because that's how we drive cars and operate elevators too, is just stupid and a contrived way to have drama just appear into the story when the guy finds out his hot chick copilot has some shitty memories.

I get they're aping Japanese cartoons, but this is one aspect of them that I just don't get. Having multiple pilots for one robot seems unnecessary.

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I could probably buy it if they were actually piloting the damn things instead of using a Wizdish.

It's hard to look cool when walking in place. This is why I never score on the treadmill at the gym.

So, yeah. I don't even care that it's an original brand, because it's not an original movie. It's based on and inspired by a whole genre of crap from Japan.

Actually, that gives me pause. Pacific Rim isn't an original movie by a long shot, but an original brand. Why does supporting an original brand matter? Especially when it's the same damn thing as previous brands. How is a new IP better than a gross reinterpretation like Lone Ranger and that fucking Superman movie? How is it different, actually? What is Bob advocating here? Because it appears to be a very shallow form of originality. It's something with a new name. otherwise, it's very familiar. It's a giant monster, giant robot movie. It's a genre. A rather specific subgenre at that. It's nothing new at all. It wouldn't matter if this were called "Evangelion." In fact, the way the latest film adaptations have been going, they could call it Evangelion. It would fit right in.

:) It's actually coming out on my birthday. So I'm going to go see it with my Dad, and my friends.

:D Going to be a good birthday!

I'll tell you what, I wouldn't go see this film that will do spectacularly well (because, who are we fooling, it will do well without trying) and I'll instead use what little money I have for cinema trips to see Only God Forgives (which I'd argue looks to be more original than Pacific Rim) which will likely bomb in the box office because, like Drive, it will go under the radar.

Deal?

Deal.

Thunderous Cacophony:
I was already planning on seeing the movie for pretty much this reason; Getting out to a theatre is a hassle, but I'm willing to support Del Toro and giant robots any day of the week.

Plus, if we're lucky, someone might finally trust that chubby genius with a Cthulhu movie.

In The Mountains Of Madness. Thats Del Toros pet project. He came close, had Tom Cruise signed up and James Cameron as producer, but it fell through. An then made Pacific Rim. So im hoping for this movie to be a massive success and they will let him make that other movie.

While I agree with Bob's general sentiment, I'm part of the crowd that is wondering just what, really, is so new about what Pacific Rim is doing. I mean, It's nice that we're getting a big budget fancy looking Hollywood version of the story, but it seems kind of disingenuous to talk like most of what Pacific Rim is doing/saying hasn't been done before. In fact, most of it has been done nearly note for note multiple times in multiple anime series.

So, big budget Hollywood version of various anime storylines and tropes by a decent director? Doesn't sound bad at all, but also doesn't really sound "new."

Zero Serenity:
I was looking for a good analogy to convince my girlfriend to see this with me. Evangelion live action with no whiny emo teen lead? Yes please.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one getting this vibe. I was kind of wondering if someone had seen the idea for the (now scrapped?) live action Eva movie and decided to make an expy of it.

I think videogames could benefit from the same speech.
We need some more new IPs. Even something flawed like Remember Me is preferable to the same generic grey and brown FPS that comes out of the pipeline.

With that said, I find it ironic that MovieBob is the one saying it. He is the guy that constantly defends Nintendo redoing (because they are not really reboots or remakes) the same games for the last 15 years and calling Mario with a raccoon costume "originality". It also makes his advertisement of his SMB3 book extra ironic, since that game (while a masterpiece at its time) has been remade so many times that Nintendo has a group of people constantly employed in creating 2D Mario levels.

GIANT ROBOTS VS GOD-ZELLA(S)? ROCKET PUNCH? J-Girl with kunfu (she could be the next Alita;Gally) shit? Using ship as a make shaft bat against a giant monster? shit... the only thng we are missing is giant "inazuma-kick" with rocket booster + drill cleats...

SHUT UP AND Take my money!!!!

This Friday: 'Boy, this film really, really sucked'

Escapist film visitors: 'YEAH WE KNOW'

MovieBob:
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MovieBob wants you to support original movies this summer!

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While I support the your idea, I don't think Pacific Rim is something 'new' par se.

It just screams "Godzilla vs. Mecha-Godzilla"-mentality from the bottom of the Ocean.
But Del Toro gave it the 2013 mashup-update nobody even dared to dream of.

That on the other hand, however is something 'fresh' and that's why I am going to see it.

cheers:)

Bob saw Pacific Rim last night and posted his reaction on Twitter. Naturally, he loved it.

The reviews I've seen have been surprisingly positive. The geek sites are going apeturds over it as expected, but the mainstream press is giving it a lot of love too (though acknowledging that it's far from perfect). It's being received as a refreshingly optimistic and fun blockbuster that celebrates old-fashioned, selfless heroism. If this movie makes money for its backers, it could go a long way towards reversing the current trend of dour GrimDarkness in tentpole flicks. And that, if nothing else, makes it worth supporting.

I don't think this movie is going to be either a flop or an out-of-the-park smash. It will likely do respectable but not spectacular business in North America, make its money back overseas, turn a tidy but not gargantuan profit, and prove that there is still room out there for a well-crafted, fun, original popcorn movie. If anything, the miserable failure of The Lone Ranger (and John Carter from last year) will be a much bigger clue to Hollywood that their current strategy of milking old properties dry is a losing proposition long-term.

Best of all, it will give a new generation of young geeks something to go nuts over, something that's THEIRS, rather than an older generation's warmed-up leftovers. Yes, it's not an entirely new concept, but so what? Star Wars was as derivative as a credit-default swap, but it still managed to become a cultural touchstone for an entire generation, because it FELT fresh and exciting. In the best-case scenario, this movie will do the same.

I can't wait for Thursday night.

You know what the best part of this movie is?

it's not an origin story

for once in it's godamn life Hollywood is finally making an in medias res flick where we don't have to spend the first hour setting up the plot only to have most of the story and character development booted into the sequel

yeah definitely going to go see this. Even if it sucks i still get to spend all of next week making Megas XLR jokes everywhere i go.

It's not you, Bob, it's me.

I adore you, and completely agree with you (and have had the same train of thought anyway). But the MPAA, and its affiliate studios have declared open war on the sharing community in order to keep its control on new media, and they've made it clear they're willing to take down (or lock down) the entire internet to win.

And the DoJ is their bitch.

So no. Fuck Hollywood.

I just plain cannot accept that, so I'm not seeing any movies in the theater these days. Or, for that matter, on optical. Or stream. Not one.

But I completely agree with you: we need to continue to risk new IPs so that we're not making twenty Spiderman movies.

238U

EDIT: premature post.

Everything about this episode leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From the assumption that original IP's selling well will cause more original movies (it won't, only the failure of preexisting brands as a safe investment will) to the call for supporting original ideas for the sake of originality regardless of quality, I'm not even sure I can articulate how wrong I find most of this.

For starters, supporting anything regardless of its quality is just begging to be exploited in the future. Or rather, it has already been exploited in the past. Let's travel back in time a bit.

Imagine if you will, it's 2004, and someone demands you go see the highly original M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village" by genius auteur M. Night Shyamalan, who made such great movies as "Sixth Sense" and "Unbreakable" . We've got to pull together and support these original ideas so we can stop seeing all these sequels and remakes they keep churning out- one Harry Potter cranked out every year, unquestionably worse than the books, and a sequel to the spider man movie, which was also already an adaptation of a preexisting franchise. Or Kill Bill vol. 2 , another bloody sequel. God, aren't there any original ideas anymore?

I'm being facetious, but you see my point.

Originality =! good
Known Talent behind the camera =! good
Supporting anything, anything regardless of perceived quality = corporate explotation

Funcakes:
Pacific Rim: Yes.

Elysium? Isn't that just another class disparity movie? Am I missing something?

Well, supposedly, but it's by the District 9 guy.

Since humans have been telling stories for most of our existence, originality generally comes in the form of the telling rather than the theme. I'm pretty sure nearly every theme has been done.

Besides, class disparity is still pretty topical.

All well and good, but why is Del Toro making pacific rim, when i want to see Hellboy III ?
Besides that:

Was that Ron Perlman in the video, at 04:45 ?

Hope Moviebob reviews Only God Forgives soon, that movie was messed up but it was indeed, something new. I don't regret seeing that movie, though it's...messed up

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Toilet:
Bob is far better a film critic and pop culture historian than he is "social justice pioneer" and author.

Actually that's whats makes him an interesting voice on topics of social justice. After a while when reading feminist writing, especially amateur stuff in the internet, it can be really hard not to roll your eyes and say "Ok I get it, my life is in a never ending parade of authority and power where you are the most downtrodden being in all of existence. Can i go back to my crappy job while you get back to being paid to write about this stuff?". Approaching the topics from the perspective of artistic merit and pop culture helps combat blame fatigue.

It's strange how video games are running into the same problems as chronicled in this video, and games as a medium haven't been at it as long as Hollywood...

I can totally understand this; especially in video games, where I consider "because it exists" enough of a point to warrant a look and even be more forgiving towards owning so others might consider doing it better (if it wasn't a complete mess).

movies, books, comics, and even video games have all been intermingling since forever. Just because an original idea spawned in a comic doesn't mean a movie adaptation is bad. Re-makes/Re-imaginings/prequels are rather toxic, but adaptations aren't. Sequels could go either way.

What I'm saying is, it's more likely we'll see a live action 'Adventure Time' in 10 years than another Spiderman.

This statement goes against what Bob was preaching but oh well. Everybody see Pacific Rim! Yeah it looks great and it has very positive buzz behind it but I'm seeing it for a different reason. If Pacific Rim does big business, Hollywood will scoop up any mech property that is ripe for a live action movie, like Gundam or Battletech or Robotech. Speaking of Robotech, Toby Maguire already bought the rights to live action Robotech, with plans to produce it. He got Lawrence Kasdan to write the script for the first movie. If Pacific Rim does good business, we will be seeing a live action Robotech soon after.

Zero Serenity:
I was looking for a good analogy to convince my girlfriend to see this with me. Evangelion live action with no whiny emo teen lead? Yes please.

Well fuck I was about to give a snarky as hell no 110 percent....
but you made an AMAZING Point. That's almost enough to get me to see Power Rangers Love Craft Rim.

Almost. See that's the thing... growing up I've seen my share of giant robot/mecha anime.

I think it looks childish and stupid. And i'm a big Kid. I happened to like Lone Ranger as did the people i went with did. As did the theater that clapped at the end did.

And no Bob blowing money on a movie isn't going to break most of your viewers.
Look I liked (Like Robo tech).
I liked Transzor Z (I was a kid)
I liked Voltron
i watched Big O (enough episodes where I can't tell you in good faith I hated it).

A movie generally lives and dies by it's villain, specially when we get into this comic bookie kinda stuff.
Worse case scenario it's some kind of love craftian monster that's vaguely explained (poor writing much after love crafts heart himself). Best case.. we get an American God zilla. An Ameican God zilla.

Think About that one.

This is Magog, I'm telling you to go watch Red 2 ^^

Count_A'ight:
This statement goes against what Bob was preaching but oh well. Everybody see Pacific Rim! Yeah it looks great and it has very positive buzz behind it but I'm seeing it for a different reason. If Pacific Rim does big business, Hollywood will scoop up any mech property that is ripe for a live action movie, like Gundam or Battletech or Robotech. Speaking of Robotech, Toby Maguire already bought the rights to live action Robotech, with plans to produce it. He got Lawrence Kasdan to write the script for the first movie. If Pacific Rim does good business, we will be seeing a live action Robotech soon after.

Has it occurred to anyone this in fact might be a terrible idea? Hollywood doing Robotech.
I mean it could be done anyone ever see Robo Jox. It's as good to a giant robot movie as your ever gonna get guys.

Ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Jox

JadeWah:
Hmm, wasn't this the movie where they "borrowed" the voice of GLaDOS, from Portal?

Only for one of the early trailers. To generate buzz, presumably. Ellen McLain, who voiced GLaDOS, will be voicing an AI in the movie, but they used a different filter, so she won't sound gladosy.

OT: I was actually going to see it because I'm aching for a big, dumb action flick I can use as an excuse to stuff myself full of popcorn. I don't go to the theaters a lot and whenever I do, it's usually for some artsy film (as my wife won't watch anything else). I haven't tasted a blockbuster since Avatar. And Pacific Rim sounds like a good excuse.

I don't think supporting stuff regardless of quality is a good idea though. I can trust a specific creator and go see their stuff expecting a good job - which is why I will go see Elysium for Neill Blomkamp, even though the trailer looks less than appealing. I can understand the same working for Del Toro and Pacific Rim.

The first thing I thought when I saw the Pacific Rim trailer was "Look, Hollywood's ripping off 90s anime sensation Evangelion now". The two pilots who have to synchronize exactly, with a native-market male and an exotically foreign female, is specific and implausible enough that it can't be coincidence.

I'll still see it. I like a good giant monster movie, and I love a terrible giant monster movie.

hermes200:
I think videogames could benefit from the same speech.
We need some more new IPs. Even something flawed like Remember Me is preferable to the same generic grey and brown FPS that comes out of the pipeline.

With that said, I find it ironic that MovieBob is the one saying it. He is the guy that constantly defends Nintendo redoing (because they are not really reboots or remakes) the same games for the last 15 years and calling Mario with a raccoon costume "originality". It also makes his advertisement of his SMB3 book extra ironic, since that game (while a masterpiece at its time) has been remade so many times that Nintendo has a group of people constantly employed in creating 2D Mario levels.

If I remember correctly, his argument was not that the Mario iterations were original, but that Nintendo has earned the right to "rest on their laurels" instead of being expected to knock it out of the park every time. Which shouldn't prevent us from criticizing the games themselves, IMO, but anyway. Going to MovieBob for opinions regarding modern games reminds me of the AVGN at E3 a few years back commenting (genuinely) "Hey, there's a new Sonic game coming out! Should be cool." Both guys have a vast knowledge of older games but aren't really interested in modern gaming and thankfully don't comment on them much. (Yes, I know about the Game Overthinker. What I've watched of that doesn't really seem to address modern games a whole lot except to compare them to older stuff.)

luvd1:
... Yes. I wonder if bob (now after watching the film) still feels the same, coz the reviews so far are not to complementary.

...what reviews are you looking at? Because the worst complaint I've seen lodged at the movie is "they fight at night a lot" and even then the critic went on to say the rest of the movie was pretty good.

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